MANY PASTORS AND DOCTORS SHOULD BE IN PRISON LIKE THESE MEN
It is appaling and astonishing that so-called Medical doctors still prescribe faith to heal issues and even claim that some infirmity are a result of sin, witchcraft or demons
This is most especially true in Nigeria where many Doctors are either Christians or muslims. Lazy and unprofessional. Not worthy of any echelon in the science world, these halfbacked doctors (raw and crude infact) end up having the lives of many entrusted to them. It is no news that many doctors especially the christians would endup recommending prayers or claiming a disease must be a of spiritual origin.
These so called doctors have neglected professionalism and employ supersition which has lead to the death of many.
Unfortunately many of them escape from the law as many deaths are not investigated and thus their deadly practice goes unnoticed and unpurnished.
How About the many pastors who chant . "WHOSE REPORT WOULD YOU BELIEVE! BELIEVE THE WORD OF GOD ABOVE WHAT THE DOCTOR SAYS!"
AFTER HEARING SUCH, MANY WHO ARE ILL WOULD LEAVE THEIR MEDICATION AND INSTEAD FOLLOW THE FAITH WAY HOPING THAT GOD HEALS THEM.

THEY FAIL TO TELL YOU YHAT MANY OF THESE PEOPLE END U;P DEAD!
What about the testimonies?
What testimonies?
Lies, placebo effects, those who got healed from medication but give the glory to God instead? Dont be fooled many are dying.
Here is an article i read online and i believe many more like these should be in the news: Many faith healers are con artists that steal money from sick people. Larry Maxwell was a faith healer arrested by an undercover police officer for claiming to be able to cure AIDS in exchange for $5,000. Joe Alvarez was arrested for charging $100,000 to cleanse people of evil spirits and impurities. Dr. Hobart Freeman was a religious leader that told his congregation to stop taking their medication and instead pray for god to cure them. This led to the deaths of 90 people and Freeman being charged with negligent homicide. Most faith healers who are simply conning people out of their money are never caught because instead healers ask for donations or sell tickets to their events instead of explicitly demanding money in exchange for their healing services.

The remaining faith healers who are not explicitly conning people engage in cooperative magical thinking with their patients in which both the healer and patient believe the treatment works. Even if the healer believes that they actually possess magical powers, they can still cause serious harm. James Arthur Ray‘s healing sweat lodge retreat led to him being was convicted of three counts of negligent homicide from dehydration. The more common harm of faith healers is that after a treatment, patients stop going to doctors or taking their medications. Todd Bentley is a popular faith healer who was banned from touring the United Kingdom because he kicks and punches sickness out of people and he also claimed that the death of a Parliament member was “the Lord’s Justice” at work. After a treatment with him, several people believed that they were cured and stopped seeking treatment. This has led to the deaths of approximately 12 people. Kathryn Kuhlman claimed to heal a woman of her spinal cancer and told her she no longer needed her crutches. The next day the woman did not use her crutches causing her to collapse. She then died of her subsequent injuries from the fall.

Some extreme religious leaders even ask their congregation to stop all medical treatments and give themselves over to God entirely as an act of faith that may persuade God to help them. One of the first modern faith healers, Oklahoman Jack Coe claimed that he could heal the sick and that all medical treatments were useless. Coe was finally stopped from performing his divine miracles when he was arrested for practicing medicine without a license after he advised parents of a child with polio to take off his leg-braces. Removing of the braces caused the boy to be in constant pain. However, the judge dismissed the charges because divine healing is exempt from the law. Not long after the case was dismissed, Jack Coe died of bulbar polio. Below is footage of Coe from the 1950s, at the height of his fame.

Yhese are just a few of instances where faith has lead to deaths that were preventable.

Believe me if god heals we wont have hospitals. After all who wants to spend money when god can heal for free?

https://www.skepticink.com/gps/2013/12/14/faith-healing-is-fake-healing/
To read more

Can Oyakilome, TB Joshua and the rest openly ask those who have not been healed in their programs to come out?
No they wont because this would expose their lies.

Why dont they ask families of those who died despite attending their healing programs to come out?

They only focus on the few who can claim to healed and they totally ignore those who where not healed.

Before you claim god heals, compare the stats

this is an interesting take
what are SonOfLuc1fer 's thoughts on this?

hopefulLandlord:
this is an interesting take

what are SonOfLuc1fer 's thoughts on this?

Pastors have lead to the death of many, but the sheeple never ask questions. That is why the pastors get away with this crime

HardMirror:

Pastors have lead to the death of many, but the sheeple never ask questions. That is why the pastors get away with this crime

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its understandable when one goes through some premise

P1 Yahweh exists and he's the creator of everything

P2 whatever Yahweh commands is good even if it ends in disaster, one is still obligated to obey; he might tell us to detonate a bomb in the market place or kill everyone in a village except young virgin girls whom we keep for our enjoyment but we have to do it anyways even against our better judgements

P3 Yahweh talks to people to give them these instructions but talks to some people more than others especially those who dedicated their lives for him (read:pastors)

P4 whatever pastor(s) says are also the words of Yahweh and even if the pastor lies one should still follow it and leave Yahweh to judge the pastor

C: if a pastor says a sick person should throw away their medications, he/she has to do it

Read DEATH BY FAITH
http://www.letusreason.org/wf25.htm

Making conclusions without investigation.

I Wonder why an atheist is concerned about death.

HardMirror:

Pastors have lead to the death of many, but the sheeple never ask questions. That is why the pastors get away with this crime

When pastors get sick they run to the hospital. Two world renowned televangelist and faith healers, Benny Hinn and Pat Robertson (700 club) both had to under go medical procedures when they were sick. They didn't rely on faith healing because they know that nothing fails like prayers and faith healing. They know that very well.

felixomor:


Making conclusions without investigation.

I Wonder why an atheist is concerned about death.

Lol. This is one of them

felixomor:


Making conclusions without investigation.

I Wonder why an atheist is concerned about death.

The village clown is here. Merry xmas o.
Hope u get sense 2018

HardMirror:

The village clown is here. Merry xmas o.
Hope u get sense 2018

It will be easier for a rabbit to turn into a lion than for that one to ever get sense. Móron is his last name. Felixmoron.

HardMirror:

The village clown is here. Merry xmas o.
Hope u get sense 2018

Atheist to prophet 419
Merry Christmas

May God deliver u from lies this 2018

dalaman:


It will be easier for a rabbit to turn into a lion than for that one to ever get sense. Móron is his last name. Felixmoron.

Lol. That guy is dunce defined

Thread Closed!

Welcome

Even before Christianity modern Medicine, there have being spiritual healing or exorcism, how much more this days when the power of by the Holy Ghost is much more available

Where medicine fail Faith Healing do much more.

Our own President Muhammadu Buhari was diagnosed in UK hospital, the same would say they don't know precisely what his ailment is only to give him with whatever supplement they know.

LESSON
Pastor E.A. Adeboye made a revelation
https://www.nairaland.com/3994399/

Same Pastor visited sick PMB in UK few days later
https://www.nairaland.com/3997369/

And few days later PMB was discharge from UK
https://www.nairaland.com/2183070/

dalaman:


When pastors get sick they run to the hospital. Two worldt renowned televangelist and faith healers, Benny Hinn and Pat Robertson (700 club) both had to under go medical procedures when they were sick. They didn't rely on faith healing because they know that nothing fails like prayers and faith healing. They know that very well.

this is so true

HardMirror:
MANY PASTORS AND DOCTORS SHOULD BE IN PRISON LIKE THESE MEN
It is appaling and astonishing that so-called Medical doctors still prescribe faith to heal issues and even claim that some infirmity are a result of sin, witchcraft or demons
This is most especially true in Nigeria where many Doctors are either Christians or muslims. Lazy and unprofessional. Not worthy of any echelon in the science world, these halfbacked doctors (raw and crude infact) end up having the lives of many entrusted to them. It is no news that many doctors especially the christians would endup recommending prayers or claiming a disease must be a of spiritual origin.
These so called doctors have neglected professionalism and employ supersition which has lead to the death of many.
Unfortunately many of them escape from the law as many deaths are not investigated and thus their deadly practice goes unnoticed and unpurnished.
How About the many pastors who chant . "WHOSE REPORT WOULD YOU BELIEVE! BELIEVE THE WORD OF GOD ABOVE WHAT THE DOCTOR SAYS!"
AFTER HEARING SUCH, MANY WHO ARE ILL WOULD LEAVE THEIR MEDICATION AND INSTEAD FOLLOW THE FAITH WAY HOPING THAT GOD HEALS THEM.

THEY FAIL TO TELL YOU YHAT MANY OF THESE PEOPLE END U;P DEAD!
What about the testimonies?
What testimonies?
Lies, placebo effects, those who got healed from medication but give the glory to God instead? Dont be fooled many are dying.
Here is an article i read online and i believe many more like these should be in the news: Many faith healers are con artists that steal money from sick people. Larry Maxwell was a faith healer arrested by an undercover police officer for claiming to be able to cure AIDS in exchange for $5,000. Joe Alvarez was arrested for charging $100,000 to cleanse people of evil spirits and impurities. Dr. Hobart Freeman was a religious leader that told his congregation to stop taking their medication and instead pray for god to cure them. This led to the deaths of 90 people and Freeman being charged with negligent homicide. Most faith healers who are simply conning people out of their money are never caught because instead healers ask for donations or sell tickets to their events instead of explicitly demanding money in exchange for their healing services.

The remaining faith healers who are not explicitly conning people engage in cooperative magical thinking with their patients in which both the healer and patient believe the treatment works. Even if the healer believes that they actually possess magical powers, they can still cause serious harm. James Arthur Ray‘s healing sweat lodge retreat led to him being was convicted of three counts of negligent homicide from dehydration. The more common harm of faith healers is that after a treatment, patients stop going to doctors or taking their medications. Todd Bentley is a popular faith healer who was banned from touring the United Kingdom because he kicks and punches sickness out of people and he also claimed that the death of a Parliament member was “the Lord’s Justice” at work. After a treatment with him, several people believed that they were cured and stopped seeking treatment. This has led to the deaths of approximately 12 people. Kathryn Kuhlman claimed to heal a woman of her spinal cancer and told her she no longer needed her crutches. The next day the woman did not use her crutches causing her to collapse. She then died of her subsequent injuries from the fall.

Some extreme religious leaders even ask their congregation to stop all medical treatments and give themselves over to God entirely as an act of faith that may persuade God to help them. One of the first modern faith healers, Oklahoman Jack Coe claimed that he could heal the sick and that all medical treatments were useless. Coe was finally stopped from performing his divine miracles when he was arrested for practicing medicine without a license after he advised parents of a child with polio to take off his leg-braces. Removing of the braces caused the boy to be in constant pain. However, the judge dismissed the charges because divine healing is exempt from the law. Not long after the case was dismissed, Jack Coe died of bulbar polio. Below is footage of Coe from the 1950s, at the height of his fame.

Yhese are just a few of instances where faith has lead to deaths that were preventable.

Believe me if god heals we wont have hospitals. After all who wants to spend money when god can heal for free?

Your thread is as bogus as you are.

Read the below and thereafter you can hang yourself out of frustration

Dr H Richard Casdorph is an experienced doctor and medical researcher. His CV shows he has published more than eighty research papers in a career that has spanned almost 6 decades, and has earned the respect of his fellow doctors.

In the mid 70s he undertook a research project with a difference. He interviewed ten people who claimed to have been miraculously healed of serious conditions. He examined all the case histories – X-rays, medical reports, etc – and also submitted them to medical specialists for review.
In all ten cases, the evidence showed that an unusual healing had taken place after the patient received prayer for healing. The cases were written up in a book, The Miracles, which includes some of the X-rays.
These were the cases ….. or jump straight to what we can learn.

Lisa Larios

Lisa was diagnosed with cancer of the hip when she was 12, and was unable to walk unaided. Her family decided chemotherapy was too traumatic and called it off after one dose. The family were Catholic, though not very religious, and a family friend invited the family to a christian healing meeting conducted by ‘healing evangelist’ Kathryn Kuhlman. The friend fasted and prayed for a week beforehand.
During the service, Lisa felt a warm feeling in her stomach, and Kathryn Kuhlman said someone in her section of the auditorium was being healed from cancer and should stand up. Lisa, against her mother’s wishes, stood up and was able to walk without pain for the first time since the problem had appeared. Lisa was X-rayed several times after that, and it became clear that something strange had indeed occurred. Further X-rays (reproduced in the book) were taken and reviewed by several doctors, and these showed that Lisa’s hip had been fully restored and the cancer was gone.

Elfrieda Stauffer

Elfrieda was ‘critically ill’ with chronic rheumatoid arthritis, and unable to walk or dress herself, when she was taken to a healing meeting by her husband. She had avoided going because “she did not believe in that kind of thing”, but after much prayer by her husband and urging by some friends, she agreed to go. During the meeting she felt that parts of her body that had been in extreme pain were becoming pain-free, and she was able to move them. Dr Casdorph points out that gradual spontaneous remissions can occur with this disease, but “she emerged from this severe disability to complete normalcy within a matter of seconds or minutes. This is not spontaneous remission.”

Marie Rosenberger

In 1970, at age 44, Marie started suffering from severe headaches. She underwent brain surgery, and a tumour was removed, but the surgeons could not remove it all, and the biopsy showed is was malignant. The tumour began to grow back, and Marie was not expected to live. The family decided to spend an evening praying for her healing and her husband stayed up all night. He had a vision of the tumour being healed, but Marie seemed little improved when she woke. However she stopped taking her medication, and continued to improve, as visits to her neurosurgeon confirmed, with some amazement, until she was healed. The book discusses the medical documentation and reproduces arteriograms.

Marion Burgio

When multiple sclerosis first affected Marion in 1958, she was pregnant and not yet 30. She felt numbness in her hands, kept falling over, and generally started losing coordination. But it was not diagnosed for four years, by which time she was deteriorating steadily. Ten years later, she had bad headaches, a deformed forearm, was incontinent, had a marked loss of hearing and vision and was unable to eat or even hold her head up. A friend visited regularly to pray for her and invited her to a Kathryn Kuhlman healing meeting.
Marion at first refused to go, but eventually was taken in a wheelchair. She can’t remember exactly what happened, but during the service she found herself standing up, with her back and limbs straight for the first time in years. She began to walk immediately, and later her surprised doctor found she had been healed of all symptoms, including the deformities. She and her husband became strong believers in Jesus.

Marvin Bird

Arteriosclerotic heart disease was (and I assume still is) the most common cause of death in the western world. Marvin Bird had his first heart attack at age 46, and over the next 16 years was hospitalised 17 times because of his heart condition. One artery was completely blocked and the others were half blocked (as shown in angiograms reproduced in the book), but he declined a coronary artery bypass because, at age 60, he didn’t think he would survive surgery. He attended a healing meeting even though he wasn’t then a believer, and an assistant, believing he had been healed, invited him to stand up. He couldn’t previously do this on his own, but now was able to. Doctors later confirmed he was fully healed, and Marvin started to attend church and believe in Jesus.

Ray Jackson

In 1972, Ray Jackson had a kidney removed in the Duke University Medical Center because of cancer. He recovered well, but two years later doctors had to remove a finger because they found cancer had spread there. Shortly after they found cancer in his spine, pelvis, breastbone and leg, and this time surgery was out of the question. (Two bone scans are reproduced in the book.) He was booked in for radiation treatment, but advised he could expect to live no more than a year.
Many friends were praying for his healing, and before he began the radiation treatment, he woke in the night to hear a voice tell him he would be healed. The next day he attended a ‘Kathryn Kuhlman miracle service’, during which the pain disappeared instantly. Tests the next day still showed the lesions, but subsequent tests showed that healthy new bone had filled in where the lesions had been. This case is notable because of the wealth of medical detail available from Duke to confirm the healing.

Pearl Bryant

Pearl was a doctor of speech therapy who had suffered from a range of medical problems – arthritis, kidney, gall bladder and liver problems – for most of her life. By the time she was in her sixties she had to wear long-leg braces whenever she was out of bed because of weak knees and many falls. Other physical problems (fainting, headaches, nausea and digestrive problems) also worsened at this time. A devout christian, she began praying for healing in her late seventies, then finally managed to get to a healing meeting. During the meeting she felt an unusual ‘grinding’ sensation in her body, beginning with her left hip and gradually moving around her whole body and ending in her neck. She couldn’t take the leg braces off in public to test her healing, but next morning she was able to walk unaided and regained full movement. She was fully healed.

Anne Soults

Over just a few weeks, Anne began to have serious problems reading, speaking and remembering. A series of brain scans (some of which are reproduced in the book) and visits to different specialists revealed she had a lesion that was increasing in size, consistent with a tumour. However following prayer from a prayer group and at a healing service, further scans showed no evidence of an abnormality. Dr Casdorph comments: “This lady’s brain abnormality was well documented by the standard diagnostic techniques and she was seen by many specialists.”

Paul Trousdale

Paul, a successful businessman, was admitted to hospital with severe gastrointestinal bleeding after fainting several times. He required many blood transfusions over several days. He had only recently begun to attend church, and his minister visited one morning and prayed for him. The minister said that he had been healed, but doctors would not release him from hospital until his condition was re-tested. All tests showed the bleeding had ceased and there were no abnormalities. Paul’s condition before and after were “well documented by medical records”.

Delores Winder

Delores had severe spinal problems and pain for years, necessitating four spinal fusions and two cordotomies (a procedure that disables part of the spinal cord to reduce pain but results in no feeling in the legs). For fourteen years she wore a body cast and neck brace to relieve the pain and enable her to walk. At the end of this time, the doctors told her there was little they could do for her, she had so many conditions, but that she could prolong her life by staying still in bed, advice she was unwilling to take.
Although she was a christian, she didn’t believe in divine healing, but she was persuaded to attend a Kathryn Kuhlman meeting. She experienced a burning sensation in her legs (the first thing she had felt in her legs for a time) and was completely healed. She was also strongly renewed in her faith. Dr Casdorph says he has medical records for Delores “an inch thick” showing seven serious spinal procedures and the increasingly desperate medical diagnoses, culminating in the doctor’s acceptance that she had “gotten an excellent result physically”.

http://www.is-there-a-god.info/life/tenhealings/

I read somewhere that you claimed to be an evangelist turned atheist and had such a glowing spiritual record but your post and my counter shows you to be nothing but a mega sham and totally deceitful in all your ways.

THREAD EFFECTIVELY CLOSED.

butterflyl1on:




Your thread is as bogus as you are.

Read the below and thereafter you can hang yourself out of frustration



http://www.is-there-a-god.info/life/tenhealings/

I read somewhere that you claimed to be an evangelist turned atheist and had such a glowing spiritual record but your post and my counter shows you to be nothing but a mega sham and totally deceitful in all your ways.

THREAD EFFECTIVELY CLOSED.

When will your mental illness allow you to reason clearly na? So a post from some obscured christian blog post without any evidence at all but baseless claims is what will shut down the thread abi? Clap for your self.

GoodMuyis:
Welcome

Even before Christianity modern Medicine, there have being spiritual healing or exorcism, how much more this days when the power of by the Holy Ghost is much more available

Where medicine fail Faith Healing do much more.

Our own President Muhammadu Buhari was diagnosed in UK hospital, the same would say they don't know precisely what his ailment is only to give him with whatever supplement they know.

LESSON
Pastor E.A. Adeboye made a revelation
https://www.nairaland.com/3994399/

Same Pastor visited sick PMB in UK few days later
https://www.nairaland.com/3997369/

And few days later PMB was discharge from UK
https://www.nairaland.com/2183070/

So pastor Adeboye is responsible for President Buhari's healing? Clap for yourself.

dalaman:


When will ykur mental illness allow you to reason clearly na? So a post from some obscured christian blog post without any evidence at all but baseless claims is what will shut down the thread abi? Clap for your self.

1. Name of researcher and his qualifications and medical submissions were given.

2. Names of those healed and where was given

3. Illnesses they were healed from were given

So suddenly you do not know how to type in such information on Google to research them yourself but know how to type a response to my post? You are quick to research religious stuff but this one you need me to get you evidence when all you need to get YOURSELF all the evidence you seek you somehow cannot do.

Clap for your own mumu oh lying dalaman the salamander.

THREAD CLOSED AND LOCKED DOWN.

butterflyl1on:




Your thread is as bogus as you are.

Read the below and thereafter you can hang yourself out of frustration



http://www.is-there-a-god.info/life/tenhealings/

I read somewhere that you claimed to be an evangelist turned atheist and had such a glowing spiritual record but your post and my counter shows you to be nothing but a mega sham and totally deceitful in all your ways.

THREAD EFFECTIVELY CLOSED.

Dont forget to include the list of millions of people who have died believing God was going to heal them. You remember that nairalander who needed a kidney donor here? Recall he had pastor adeboye pray for him yet he never got better and still needed a kidney transplant?

You are the scums of the earth. Most dishonest people. Ignoring facts and the obvious while promoting lies that cannot be backed up

HardMirror:

Dont forget to include the list of millions of people who have died believing God was going to heal them. You remember that nairalander who needed a kidney donor here? Recall he had pastor adeboye pray for him yet he never got better and still needed a kidney transplant?

You are the scums of the earth. Most dishonest people. Ignoring facts and the obvious while promoting lies that cannot be backed up

Which nairalander needed a kidney transplant and had pastor adeboye pray for him specifically?

You are what scum use to scrub their scum you are so dishonest and so loaded with your own lies that it has become very easy for you to believe even the lies you tell yourself.

You unconsciously acknowledged those healed in my post which incidentally is just a minimum sample but you want me to list out the millions who never got healed so this means you know of other millions who got healed but chose to lie and pretend as if they never existed.

Indeed you are what scum use to scrub their scum. You stink of nothing but rot and are an epitome of a cur.

butterflyl1on:


1. Name of researcher and his qualifications and medical submissions were given.

2. Names of those healed and where was given

3. Illnesses they were healed from were given

So suddenly you do not know how to type in such information on Google to research them yourself but know how to type a response to my post? You are quick to research religious stuff but this one you need me to get you evidence when all you need to get YOURSELF all the evidence you seek you somehow cannot do.

Clap for your own mumu oh lying dalaman the salamander.

THREAD CLOSED AND LOCKED DOWN.

You are a ridiculous clown that is too dull and lame.

Firstly, name and qualifications does NOT mean that a person can not and will not tell lies to promote his hiden agenda. We've seen professionals tell lie to promote one agenda or the other. The doctor whom you are talking about is no diffrent. Firstly this "research" wasn't published by a group or team of researchers but by him alone. He is not even a recognized expert in the medical conditions that he assess for the study, he was a Cardiologist, which doesn't give his research much merit.

I'll just take one of the so called miracles and talk about it. I'll take the one about Kathryn Kuhlman.

"Lisa Larios

Lisa was diagnosed with cancer of the hip when she was 12, and was unable to walk unaided. Her family decided chemotherapy was too traumatic and called it off after one dose. The family were Catholic, though not very religious, and a family friend invited the family to a christian healing meeting conducted by ‘healing evangelist’ Kathryn Kuhlman. The friend fasted and prayed for a week beforehand.
During the service, Lisa felt a warm feeling in her stomach, and Kathryn Kuhlman said someone in her section of the auditorium was being healed from cancer and should stand up. Lisa, against her mother’s wishes, stood up and was able to walk without pain for the first time since the problem had appeared. Lisa was X-rayed several times after that, and it became clear that something strange had indeed occurred. Further X-rays (reproduced in the book) were taken and reviewed by several doctors, and these showed that Lisa’s hip had been fully restored and the cancer was gone."

William A Nolen, a legit respected doctor, respected enough to have an actual wiki entry to himself.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_A._Nolen

He interviewed people Kathryn "healed" and found she did not, in fact, heal them at all. In fact, one of the women who was healed of spinal cancer threw her crutches away. Her spine collapsed the next day and she was hospitalised for some time, dying shortly after.


It's also worthy of note that this same faith healer Kathryn Kuhlman died of a heart disease in 1976. Kathryn Kuhlman claims to be a faith healer but when she suffered from heart illness, the hospital was where she ran to and died as a result of an open heart surgery. She her self did NOT believe in her faith healing else she would have prayed for herself for healing instead she ran to the hospital for a medical procedure.

dalaman:


You are a ridiculous clown that is too dull and lame.

Firstly, name and qualifications does NOT mean that a person can not and will not tell lies to promote his hiden agenda. We've seen professionals tell lie to promote one agenda or the other. The doctor whom you are talking about is no diffrent. Firstly this "research" wasn't published by a group or team of researchers but by him alone. He is not even a recognized expert in the medical conditions that he assess for the study, he was a Cardiologist, which doesn't give his research much merit.

I'll just take one of the so called miracles and talk about it. I'll take the one about Kathryn Kuhlman.

"Lisa Larios

Lisa was diagnosed with cancer of the hip when she was 12, and was unable to walk unaided. Her family decided chemotherapy was too traumatic and called it off after one dose. The family were Catholic, though not very religious, and a family friend invited the family to a christian healing meeting conducted by ‘healing evangelist’ Kathryn Kuhlman. The friend fasted and prayed for a week beforehand.
During the service, Lisa felt a warm feeling in her stomach, and Kathryn Kuhlman said someone in her section of the auditorium was being healed from cancer and should stand up. Lisa, against her mother’s wishes, stood up and was able to walk without pain for the first time since the problem had appeared. Lisa was X-rayed several times after that, and it became clear that something strange had indeed occurred. Further X-rays (reproduced in the book) were taken and reviewed by several doctors, and these showed that Lisa’s hip had been fully restored and the cancer was gone."

William A Nolen, a legit respected doctor, respected enough to have an actual wiki entry to himself.

http://en.wikipedia.org /wiki/William_A_Nolen

He interviewed people Kathryn "healed" and found she did not, in fact, heal them at all. In fact, one of the women who was healed of spinal cancer threw her crutches away. Her spine collapsed the next day and she was hospitalised for some time, dying shortly after.


It's also worthy of note that this same faith healer Kathryn Kuhlman died of a heart disease in 1976. Kathryn Kuhlman claims to be a faith healer but when she suffered from heart illness, the hospital was where she ran to and died as a result of an open heart surgery. She her self fid NOT believe in her faith healing else she would have prayed for herself for healing instead she ran to the hospital for a medical procedure.

Same Wikipedia

Nolen's analysis of Kulhman came in for criticism from believers. Lawrence Althouse, a physician, complained that Nolen had attended only one of Kuhlman's services and did not follow up with all of those who claimed to have been healed there.[19] Dr. Richard Casdorph produced a book of evidence in support of miraculous healings by Kuhlman.[20] Hendrik van der Breggen, a Christian philosophy professor, argued in favor of the claims.[21] Author Craig Keener concluded, "No one claims that everyone was healed, but it is also difficult to dispute that significant recoveries occurred, apparently in conjunction with prayer. One may associate these with Kathryn Kuhlman's faith or that of the supplicants, or, as in some of Kuhlman's teaching, to no one's faith at all; but the evidence suggests that some people were healed, even in extraordinary ways."[22]


Grow some sense!

butterflyl1on:


Same Wikipedia

Nolen's analysis of Kulhman came in for criticism from believers. Lawrence Althouse, a physician, complained that Nolen had attended only one of Kuhlman's services and did not follow up with all of those who claimed to have been healed there.[19] Dr. Richard Casdorph produced a book of evidence in support of miraculous healings by Kuhlman.[20] Hendrik van der Breggen, a Christian philosophy professor, argued in favor of the claims.[21] Author Craig Keener concluded, "No one claims that everyone was healed, but it is also difficult to dispute that significant recoveries occurred, apparently in conjunction with prayer. One may associate these with Kathryn Kuhlman's faith or that of the supplicants, or, as in some of Kuhlman's teaching, to no one's faith at all; but the evidence suggests that some people were healed, even in extraordinary ways."[22]


Grow some sense!

You remain a dull and lame clown. He did he research and discovered that out of the 23 people that claimed to be healed by Kathryn Kuhlman non was healed, in fact one of them that threw away her crutches died shortly afterwards. It is expected that her apologist will come and defend her by saying he didn't attend all her services but one and that others were healed. If she can fake the healing of 23 people why can't she do to the "others that were healed".

But the final deal is Kathryn Kuhlman herself. She does NOT even believe in her nonsense faith healing because when her heart illness started, she ran to a small hospital in a small town in Oklahoma for treatment away from the eyes of people because that is what she knows will help her , if anything at all will help her. She knows her faith healing is a ruse and did not rely on it when the chips were down. A hospital was where she ran to for help.

dalaman:


You remain a dull and lame clown. He did he research and discovered that out of the 23 people that claimed to be healed by Kathryn Kuhlman non was healed, in fact one of them that threw away her crutches died shortly afterwards. It is expected that her apologist will come and defend her by saying he didn't attend all her services but one and that others were healed. If she can fake the healing of 23 people why can't she do to the "others that were healed".

But the final deal is Kathryn Kuhlman herself. She does NOT even believe in her nonsense faith healing because when her heart illness started, she ran to a small hospital in a small town in Oklahoma for treatment away from the eyes of people because that is what she knows will help her , if anything at all will help her. She knows her faith healing is a ruse and did not rely on it when the chips were down. A hospital was where she ran to for help.

LMAO what a load of crock. If he could post one why not post all if he indeed researched all and found all to be false? Why did not do a proper job of listing them ALL out but only chose one?

More like a case of "if one did not happen then we can assume none happened".

The guy reminds me of you in the lying department.

dalaman:


So pastor Adeboye is responsible for President Buhari's healing? Clap for yourself.

God is

butterflyl1on:



LMAO what a load of crock. If he could post one why not post all if he indeed researched all and found all to be false? Why did not do a proper job of listing them ALL out but only chose one?

More like a case of "if one did not happen then we can assume none happened".

The guy reminds me of you in the lying department.

That's why I said you remain a ridiculous and lame clown.

Even the people did NOT dispute his claims of her faking the healing of 23 people, their only excuse was that he did not attend all her services where others were "truly" healed.

But we don't even need to dwell on their he said she said back and forth. The principal herself Kathryn Kuhlman does NOT believe in her faith healing because she knows it's NONSENSE. When she was down with a heart condition she ran away to a small town away from the people she was deceiving and seeked medical help. She did NOT rely on faith healing because she knows it's a ruse. Chew on that and stop sounding like a village fool.

dalaman:


That's why I said you remain a ridiculous and lame clown.

Even the people did NOT dispute his claims of her faking the healing of 23 people, their only excuse was that he did not attend all her services where others were "truly" healed.

But we don't even need to dwell on their he said she said back and forth. The principal herself Kathryn Kuhlman does NOT believe in her faith healing because she knows it's NONSENSE. When she was down with a heart condition she ran away to a small town away from the people she was deceiving and seeked medical help. She did NOT rely on faith healing because she knows it's a ruse. Chew on that and stop sounding like a village fool.

Your mumu is on hyperdrive today

Same people who said the bolted also said he NEVER followed up on the others despite them admitting to that singular case. If they could be honest with that one then that means they were honest with The rest so why did your man lie just like you?

Besides an independent author said the below

Author Craig Keener concluded, "[b]No one claims that everyone was healed, but it is also difficult to dispute that significant recoveries occurred, apparently in conjunction with prayer. One may associate these with Kathryn Kuhlman's faith or that of the supplicants, or, as in some of Kuhlman's teaching, to no one's faith at all; but the evidence suggests that some people were healed, even in extraordinary ways."[[/b]22]

Anyone who honestly reads that already knows that you and your man are both liars. But you as the salamander you are will always desperately look for wriggle space.

Sorry but no wriggle space for you here. Thread is locked down and sealed.

butterflyl1on:


Your mumu is on hyperdrive today

Same people who said the bolted also said he NEVER followed up on the others despite them admitting to that singular case. If they could be honest with that one then that means they were honest with The rest so why did your man lie just like you?

Besides an independent author said the below

Apart from being a ridiculous and lame clown, you've now gone back to your lying and spinning ways.

He said he invetigated 23 people and discovered that she healed none of them and gave an instance of how one lady threw away her crutches after claiming she was healed only to die few months after. Their response was that he did not attend all service, of course they will always want to defend their principal as always for many reasons.

[Anyone who honestly reads that already knows that you and your man are both liars. But you as the salamander you are will always desperately look for wriggle space.

Sorry but no wriggle space for you here. Thread is locked down and sealed.

Your mental illness will never allow you reason clearly.

You are calling a erson that exposed a lying faith healer as a lair? Sense fall on you.

I noticed you don't even want to touch the real deal breaker, that Kathryn Kuhlman herself does NOT believe in faith healing. When the chips were down, she ran out of town to a small place out of sight of the people she was deceiving to seek for medical help. She knows her faith healing is a ruse. Chew on that and stop sounding like a village fool.

dalaman:


Apart from being a ridiculous and lame clown, you've now gone back to your lying and spinning ways.

He said he invetigated 23 people and discovered that she healed none of them and gave an instance of how one lady threw away her crutches after claiming she was healed only to die few months after. Their response was that he did not attend all service, of course they will always want to defend their principal as always for many reasons.




Your mental illness will never allow you reason clearly.

You are calling a erson that exposed a lying faith healer as a lair? Sense fall on you.

I noticed you don't even want to touch the real deal breaker, that Kathryn Kuhlman herself does NOT believe in faith healing. When the chips were down, she ran out of town to a small place out of sight of the people she was deceiving to seek for medical help. She knows her faith healing is a ruse. Chew on that and stop sounding like a village fool.

Can you show where it says he investigated 23 people and the names and illnesses of these 23 people as I have done in mine.

If you have it produce it so I would know you are not just parroting a lying salamander like yourself.

butterflyl1on:


Can you show where it says he investigated 23 people and the names and illnesses of these 23 people as I have done in mine.

If you have it produce it so I would know you are not just parroting a lying salamander like yourself.

Must their names and illnesses be written for it to be valid? Who are these people despite their names and ilnessness? How do you know that they are real people and not made up characers from their names and illnesses? Can you tell me the house address and phone number of any of them so that I can contact them and know if they are real people?

You are a ridiculous village clown.

You have no point, the faith healer herself does NOT believe in her nonsense faith healing because when it mattered she ran to the hospital for medical help instead of relying on faith healing. If you get infected with a serious medical condition you'll run to the hospital for medical help, you won't rely on faith healing. Your mental illness isn't treated by faith healing. You rely on medical care for the remaining cure of your mental health issues that is yet to fully leave you.