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Re: Ducking Out Of Church by analize701: 8:24pm On Dec 30, 2017
DeepSight:

Merci
Welcome good sire.
Re: Ducking Out Of Church by Mujtahida: 8:27pm On Dec 30, 2017
MizMyColi:
Mujtahida,

I will have to re-read your words...

A very dear one did teach me that art of breathing, and it really helps.

Sometimes, I just stop and breathe...

I find that it makes me more aware of my experiences, be they positive or negative, and then deciding what I really want, raising my vibration to that level etc etc.

Okay cheesy
I cannot say explicitly that I have a hang of how it all works, yeah?

But I find that when I feel Joy, and peace and this attitude of gratitude, it's like Nothing is Impossible anymore.

Hahahahahahahahaha

I can even fight a lion cheesy cheesy cheesy cheesy okay, pet a lion smiley

Lol
Yeah the eastern religions of India especially emphasise so much on good breathing and teach it. Yoga things. Even without going through yoga it requires discipline.
There are Videos on YouTube teaching how to breathe
Re: Ducking Out Of Church by Mujtahida: 8:42pm On Dec 30, 2017
MizMyColi:


Oh, cool, great even.
You just reminded me one of the reasons I dropped my bible for at least 2 years.

Most of these people we so admire did not have canons and sets of rules to guide them or become a basis for thought conformity.

Their limitations were only as far as their mind could carry them.

DaveP, you're my good pal, else I would tell you straight up that I do not enjoy biblical debates...
Like say,, but Matthew 3 v 5 says you must not jump a story building, and I say, oh, but Leventicus chapter 6 v 8 says you can jump if it's just 2 stories high.

Honestly speaking, it's so tiring.
Truly, it is.

There was a time I used to feel bad that I did not read my bible daily. There were times I fought so hard to pray and fast in certain ways...

I just do not live by those rules anymore.

I know it makes me a misfit and outcast among religious folks, and it is not my intention to offend the sensibilities of you, my friend when I say this, but I simply do not care about that anymore.

We have the same mind in this regard. Find out about a very interesting Christian sect called the Quakers founded by George Fox in the 17th century. They lay emphasis on the ability of every man to experientially access the small light within or that of God within.

When Quakers gather for their meetings, they seat down quietly for long each one listening for the voice of God within. Not preaching as such. Quakers stress that Christ has come to teach his people himself and they emphasise direct relationship and knowledge of God gained through direct religious experience and by reading and studying the Bible. They have very radical views on the scriptures though. I enjoyed reading Quaker writings when I was searching. You can read isaac Pennington's writings at qhpress.com.
Re: Ducking Out Of Church by daveP(m): 8:47pm On Dec 30, 2017
kkins25:

No the joke is on you.

Allah is the God of jesus christ. I know because Allah told me so. Proof me wrong.
Stop the cheap jokes and shots. sacarsm is a stationary constant in matters like this.

u want me to take u serious? then remove any stuff that dont make no sense and lets converse like men!!
Re: Ducking Out Of Church by Mujtahida: 9:00pm On Dec 30, 2017
Sarassin:


A lot to ponder in what you wrote. For me the Bible is religious and political literature constructed from a religious perspective. The so-called history recorded in the biblical narratives, are to be understood first and foremost as representing beliefs and myths constructed to serve a purpose in the social and historical contexts in which they were written, edited, and arranged in their present form.

It seems to me that these texts cannot simply be picked up and read as though they constitute objective factual history in the modern sense, based on contemporary eyewitness reports.

The biblical literature first and foremost constitutes “propaganda.” The writers make no pretence to objectivity. It is revisionist history on a grand scale. Those who composed this literature had been minority parties, either in subjugation, exile or diaspora. Therefore the Hebrew Bible is basically a minority report in my view.

Without any doubt, those responsible for gathering and editing this material have been deliberately selective in what they included, in doing so, they provided a disservice by presenting a jaundiced view of events.
I wanted to highlight some part of your writings but everything you wrote is of importance.

First take the notion of 'the chosen' people propaganda pushed in the bible which people swallow without questioning. So the whole world should just believe that the Jews were chosen by God and this fact is contained only in their own literature. The Bible itself says in the mouth of two or three witnesses a matter is established. So who is the independent third party to verify this facts?

Again there are serious doubts that the passover ever happened. The Egyptians were highly developed at that point in time in history. They kept good records of everything that pertained to their lives yet historians have not found one single reference to the enslavement of the isrealites in Egypt. Imagine if America having enslaved the blacks has no single document referencing that fact. How plausible can that be.

The history in the bible is pseudo, invented history mixed with real history. It's mashed up one can hardly know which is real history and which is pseudo history.
Read the work of a Jew named shlomo Sand 'The invention of the Jewish people'. You can download it. It's central thesis is that the Jews are an ahistorical people whose history is invented rather than real.

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Re: Ducking Out Of Church by kkins25(m): 10:46pm On Dec 30, 2017
KingEbukasBlog:


Mr man , Can you provide evidence for a universe without a creator ? And stop making inane comments please .
thats simpler than ABC. Simple logic can be uses to disproof the creationist fairytale. I'll be right back. Let me switch to PC. Currently using a phone.
Re: Ducking Out Of Church by KingEbukasBlog(m): 10:57pm On Dec 30, 2017
kkins25:
thats simpler than ABC. Simple logic can be uses to disproof the creationist fairytale. I'll be right back. Let me switch to PC. Currently using a phone.

Ok o.
Re: Ducking Out Of Church by hopefulLandlord: 11:30pm On Dec 30, 2017
MuttleyLaff:
This is like asking, is the pope a christian?
analize701 would answer NO to this question

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Re: Ducking Out Of Church by hopefulLandlord: 11:47pm On Dec 30, 2017
kkins25:
me self i tire ohh. To does who claim theve heard God, they never told us how God talks or sounds. Does God have a bass voice, does He talk like a Girl etc. Did dey hear with thier ears? Why didnt anyone else hear if God actually spoke and produced mechanical waves?
their god doesn't talk to them, its all an illusion cuz I've always noticed their god seems to agree with them a bit too much, so much so that I could've sworn they're talking to themselves

[Nicholas Epley at the University of Chicago] found that when people contemplated God’s opinions, their brains activated similarly to when they were contemplating their own opinions the same was not true when they contemplated the opinions of other people.

"You can safely assume you've created God in your own image when it turns out that God thinks exactly like you"
Anne Lamott (tweaked)

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Re: Ducking Out Of Church by analize701: 7:26am On Dec 31, 2017
hopefulLandlord:
analize701 would answer NO to this question
Is the Pope a Christian?
Re: Ducking Out Of Church by hopefulLandlord: 7:28am On Dec 31, 2017
analize701:

Is the Pope a Christian?
my reply is inconsequential here, I'm just telling muttleylaff that the answer to that is not as cut and dry as he (probably) thinks

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Re: Ducking Out Of Church by analize701: 7:30am On Dec 31, 2017
hopefulLandlord:

my reply is inconsequential here, I'm just telling muttleylaff that the answer to that is not as cut and dry as he (probably) thinks
The Pope is a Hellenist. Christians don't worship idols.

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Re: Ducking Out Of Church by hopefulLandlord: 7:33am On Dec 31, 2017
analize701:
The Pope is a Hellenist. Christians don't worship idols.
okay
Re: Ducking Out Of Church by hopefulLandlord: 7:33am On Dec 31, 2017
double post
Re: Ducking Out Of Church by MuttleyLaff: 8:26am On Dec 31, 2017
hopefulLandlord:
analize701 would answer NO to this question
I concur with you and Analize701.
Both of yah are actually right,
however I won't go as far as with Analice107 though, that the pope is a hellenist

analize701:
The Pope is a Hellenist
I stand to corrected, as I don't want to fall out with Analice107.

Isn't hellenisim, influence by all that Greek civilization is about, which could be adopting its architecture, adopting the language, adopting Greek culture, ideals, character, philosophy, adopting its sports or games etcetera

analize701:
Christians don't worship idols.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lUoIu6Ygrl0
It's believers who don't worship idols.
Christians worship idols and/or gods
Re: Ducking Out Of Church by Mujtahida: 9:23am On Dec 31, 2017
hopefulLandlord:

their god doesn't talk to them, its all an illusion cuz I've always noticed their god seems to agree with them a bit too much, so much so that I could've sworn they're talking to themselves

[Nicholas Epley at the University of Chicago] found that when people contemplated God’s opinions, their brains activated similarly to when they were contemplating their own opinions the same was not true when they contemplated the opinions of other people.

"You can safely assume you've created God in your own image when it turns out that God thinks exactly like you"
Anne Lamott (tweaked)
That god is the purest fiction ever.
Re: Ducking Out Of Church by Emmanystone: 3:13pm On Dec 31, 2017
MuttleyLaff:
I concur with you and Analize701.
Both of yah are actually right,
however I won't go as far as with Analice107 though, that the pope is a hellenist

I stand to corrected, as I don't want to fall out with Analice107.

Isn't hellenisim, influence by all that Greek civilization is about, which could be adopting its architecture, adopting the language, adopting Greek culture, ideals, character, philosophy, adopting its sports or games etcetera


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lUoIu6Ygrl0
It's believers who don't worship idols.
Christians worship idols and/or gods
Christians don't worship idols, as a Christian is a follower of Christ. There's a difference between Church attendance and being a Christian.

Every Christian is a believer.

The Pope is a Catholic. There's no aspect of Hellenism that's not found in the RCC.
Re: Ducking Out Of Church by LotusFan: 5:24pm On Dec 31, 2017
This thread shaaaaa... wonder where Sarassin went...

Re: Ducking Out Of Church by Nobody: 7:58pm On Dec 31, 2017
LotusFan:
This thread shaaaaa... wonder where Sarassin went...

That meme.... grin grin grin
Still here, never left

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Re: Ducking Out Of Church by Nobody: 8:03pm On Dec 31, 2017
Mujtahida:

I wanted to highlight some part of your writings but everything you wrote is of importance.

First take the notion of 'the chosen' people propaganda pushed in the bible which people swallow without questioning. So the whole world should just believe that the Jews were chosen by God and this fact is contained only in their own literature. The Bible itself says in the mouth of two or three witnesses a matter is established. So who is the independent third party to verify this facts?

Again there are serious doubts that the passover ever happened. The Egyptians were highly developed at that point in time in history. They kept good records of everything that pertained to their lives yet historians have not found one single reference to the enslavement of the isrealites in Egypt. Imagine if America having enslaved the blacks has no single document referencing that fact. How plausible can that be.

The history in the bible is pseudo, invented history mixed with real history. It's mashed up one can hardly know which is real history and which is pseudo history.
Read the work of a Jew named shlomo Sand 'The invention of the Jewish people'. You can download it. It's central thesis is that the Jews are an ahistorical people whose history is invented rather than real.

They say "whose land whose God" very interesting, and I do agree with a lot of what you've written here. I will look for that book and see what Shlomo Sand has to say.
Re: Ducking Out Of Church by MuttleyLaff: 8:30pm On Dec 31, 2017
LotusFan:
This thread shaaaaa... wonder where Sarassin went...

Sarassin:
That meme.... grin grin grin
Still here, never left
Wow, cry me a river, taken and done almost literally
it made Sarassin, just like a jack-in-the-box suddenly pop out, harmlessly and amusingly appearing
Re: Ducking Out Of Church by MuttleyLaff: 8:45pm On Dec 31, 2017
Mujtahida:
I wanted to highlight some part of your writings but everything you wrote is of importance.

First take the notion of 'the chosen' people propaganda pushed in the bible which people swallow without questioning. So the whole world should just believe that the Jews were chosen by God and this fact is contained only in their own literature. The Bible itself says in the mouth of two or three witnesses a matter is established. So who is the independent third party to verify this facts?

Again there are serious doubts that the passover ever happened. The Egyptians were highly developed at that point in time in history. They kept good records of everything that pertained to their lives yet historians have not found one single reference to the enslavement of the isrealites in Egypt. Imagine if America having enslaved the blacks has no single document referencing that fact. How plausible can that be.

The history in the bible is pseudo, invented history mixed with real history. It's mashed up one can hardly know which is real history and which is pseudo history.
Read the work of a Jew named shlomo Sand 'The invention of the Jewish people'. You can download it. It's central thesis is that the Jews are an ahistorical people whose history is invented rather than real.

Sarassin:
They say "whose land whose God" very interesting, and I do agree with a lot of what you've written here.
I will look for that book and see what Shlomo Sand has to say.
Not surprised coming from a self-hating Ashkenazi Jew
The book is as good being used as toilet paper
Re: Ducking Out Of Church by Nobody: 8:55pm On Dec 31, 2017
MuttleyLaff:


Not surprised coming from a self-hating Ashkenazi Jew
The book is as good being used as toilet paper


Harsh words from you, clearly the writer has an interesting perspective.
Re: Ducking Out Of Church by Nobody: 8:57pm On Dec 31, 2017
MuttleyLaff:


Wow, cry me a river, taken and done almost literally
it made Sarassin, just like a jack-in-the-box suddenly pop out, harmlessly and amusingly appearing

Your point being?
Re: Ducking Out Of Church by MuttleyLaff: 9:03pm On Dec 31, 2017
Sarassin:
Your point being?
Point being, it's a good trick
Do you do genie in a bottle
that when the bottle is rubbed the right way, you pop out and grant three wishes
Re: Ducking Out Of Church by LotusFan: 9:06pm On Dec 31, 2017
MuttleyLaff:
Point being, it's a good trick
Do you do genie in a bottle
that when the bottle is rubbed the right, you pop out and grant three wishes

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Re: Ducking Out Of Church by Nobody: 9:09pm On Dec 31, 2017
MuttleyLaff:
Point being, it's a good trick
Do you do genie in a bottle
that when the bottle is rubbed the right, you pop out and grant three wishes

Sometimes....evidently.

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Re: Ducking Out Of Church by MuttleyLaff: 9:15pm On Dec 31, 2017

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Re: Ducking Out Of Church by MuttleyLaff: 9:17pm On Dec 31, 2017
Sarassin:
Sometimes....evidently.
Nice repertoire
Re: Ducking Out Of Church by Nobody: 9:21pm On Dec 31, 2017
MuttleyLaff:
Nice repertoire

Thank you kindly. Happy New year in advance.

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Re: Ducking Out Of Church by Nobody: 9:23pm On Dec 31, 2017
Hello guys. Year is ending. It has been another very fruitful year. I enjoyed all the pains, and all the glory. In all times, I remembered even in the darkest moment, life is worth being experienced. Everything is but an experience, and at the end of it all, there remains only a remembrance, a souvenir.

I enjoyed all of you here, those who are as docile as Lambs and those who are as ferocious as Tigers. I love you all.

Let us, next year, continue to expect and welcome the unexpected, evil or good, and let us enjoy it, for it is an experience. What is black today, shall be white tomorrow, and vice versa.

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Re: Ducking Out Of Church by MuttleyLaff: 9:24pm On Dec 31, 2017
Sarassin:
Thank you kindly.
Happy New year in advance.
Same to you, your household and everyone else that have contributed on this thread

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