Mujtahida:

Hello, I trust you are fine. Have you heard of Osho? He is an Indian iconoclast. Please I implore you to read his book 'The God Conspiracy'. I am reading it now and my mind kept going to you. It's online at http.archive. org. I trust you will deeply enjoy it. It's straight forward, free from philosophical jargon, full of humour and homely wisdom.

Hello there,
Ohh yes, I'm fine
And you?

I will check it out as soon as possible, thank you for bringing my attention to that.

Okay,

Lotusfan, I got intrigued too with figuring out the person behind the moniker.

I have made a discovery that shows me your former moniker...
and where you live.

Now that I have attained that, I am moving on for good.

Let's just say Serendipity happened.

Let's also say I have this gift for finding misplaced things....for real. If I set my heart to it, it must be found.

Oh, just to clear a bit of doubt, there is an I, A, E in that your "other" moniker...

I hope I have not revealed too much by this.
I would want it to be our little secret

Come out joor, let's play
I like you.

Mujtahida:

Hello, I trust you are fine. Have you heard of Osho? He is an Indian iconoclast. Please I implore you to read his book 'The God Conspiracy'. I am reading it now and my mind kept going to you. It's online at http.archive. org. I trust you will deeply enjoy it. It's straight forward, free from philosophical jargon, full of humour and homely wisdom.

Hi Mujtahida, please do not construe my not giving feedback as ignoring you or lack of interest.
It pops on my mind daily to continue with the book, but until I can heavily grasp what the writer is driving at, I would not want to make commentaries.

How are you?
How have you been?
I hope the times treat you well, if yes, it gets better; if not, it gets better.

MizMyColi:


Hi Mujtahida, please do not construe my not giving feedback as ignoring you or lack of interest.
It pops on my mind daily to continue with the book, but until I can heavily grasp what the writer is driving at, I would not want to make commentaries.

How are you?
How have you been?
I hope the times treat you well, if yes, it gets better; if not, it gets better.

Ohhhhhh dear, not at all. Please take your time. Let your understanding flower as you read it. We can discuss whenever you feel like it. It's beautiful that way .
Thanks for the good words. Better, that's where we'd always be for the best.
Cheers

Mujtahida:

Hello, I trust you are fine. Have you heard of Osho? He is an Indian iconoclast. Please I implore you to read his book 'The God Conspiracy'. I am reading it now and my mind kept going to you. It's online at http.archive. org. I trust you will deeply enjoy it. It's straight forward, free from philosophical jargon, full of humour and homely wisdom.

MizMyColi:


Hello there,
Ohh yes, I'm fine
And you?

I will check it out as soon as possible, thank you for bringing my attention to that.

Osho is very good. His Book of Secrets, a commentary on the Vigyan Bhairav Tantra, a discourse on meditation techniques between Lord Shiva and Devi is for me priceless.

Sarassin:




Osho is very good. His Book of Secrets, a commentary on the Vigyan Bhairav Tantra, a discourse on meditation techniques between Lord Shiva and Devi is for me priceless.

I have seen it on archive.org but will read it later. I'm reading 'Plan for a miracle'. Osho is a master of the inner life. This is it: Christianity lacks spiritual vitality. Everything is mechanical and soul sapping. The pathologies and neurotic twistedness that Christianity has introduced into the world cannot be tracked until the end of time. Through its dead and deadening scriptural commands it has afflicted individuals with the disease of righteousness and inflicted mankind with the epidemic of holiness. Righteousness cannot be commanded, holiness can not be legislated. It must be an impulse in the soul, organic, fresh and life giving. All exterior commands are the weapons of death. Hypocrisy is the only way Christians breathe out of the staleness, out of the sepulchre of the faith.
i
No pastor, Bishop, Rev in Nigeria has the deep spiritual understanding of the inner life that Osho has. And I love him because he doesn't indulge in philosophical and metaphysical jumble talk. He's clear, straightforward, simple, gentle as rainfall and very expansive and very humorous and irreverent. No sickening talk about sin. His overwhelming life affirming. And he's weird too

He dances, he laughs, he talks and breathes poetry. He is a living healer. It's amazing that Jesus had no sense of humour, he never laughed, he never danced. How did he perform his miracles?

I trust you understand what dance and laughter mean in this context. There must be wind in the soul of a healer
Sarassin

Mujtahida:

I trust you understand what dance and laughter mean in this context. There must be wind in the soul of healer

But of course.

Righteousness cannot be commanded, holiness can not be legislated. It must be an impulse in the soul, organic, fresh and life giving

Five Thousand Billion like and shares!

MizMyColi:
Okay,

Lotusfan, I got intrigued too with figuring out the person behind the moniker.

I have made a discovery that shows me your former moniker...
and where you live.

Now that I have attained that, I am moving on for good.

Let's just say Serendipity happened.

Let's also say I have this gift for finding misplaced things....for real. If I set my heart to it, it must be found.

Oh, just to clear a bit of doubt, there is an I, A, E in that your "other" moniker...

I hope I have not revealed too much by this.
I would want it to be our little secret

Come out joor, let's play
I like you.

Let me do a Pst Biodun Fatoyibo on this one...

LotusFan:


Let me do a Pst Biodun Fatoyibo on this one...

Loooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooool

Hehahahahahahahahahahahaha

I understand

I too, I have moments I wish I were an anonymous person on this platform.

There are times I wish to undo the popularity of this moniker.

Well...

Mujtahida:

Righteousness cannot be commanded, holiness can not be legislated. It must be an impulse in the soul, organic, fresh and life giving. All exterior commands are the weapons of death.

I really like this...

So I started reading Vigyan Bhairav Tantra, and I just had to share this quote with you guys...it’s hilariously true...

“So remember this, tantra is pure science. You may be a Hindu or a Mohammedan or a Parsee or whatsoever – tantra doesn’t touch your religion at all. Tantra says that religion is a social affair. So belong to any religion; it is irrelevant. But you can transform yourself, and that transformation needs a scientific methodology. When you are ill, when you have fallen ill or you have caught tuberculosis or anything, then whether you are a Hindu or a Mohammedan makes no difference. The tuberculosis remains indifferent to your Hinduism, to your Mohammedanism, to your beliefs – political, social or religious. Tuberculosis has to be treated scientifically. There is no Hindu tuberculosis, no Mohammedan tuberculosis.”

butterflyl1on:


You should have written "swoon" and not "sigh".

Deaddd

(runs away)

Anywhere there is Sarassin, Loj, Mr Butterflyman, Muttleyman, Miss Analyse? I laikke, and read, a lot
Dunno what for, I think I do, butti

MzMyColi beliefs are like mine, majorly...she is not a teacher but a seeker, like me...only more evolved and more articulate than me...I am flaky, and lazy!!!
I wish someone would take up the task of reading my posts on "religion" and categorise me.....oh well
What am I even saying/typing?

Happy 2018 everyone is the real point of this post

Mujtahida:
It's amazing that Jesus had no sense of humour, he never laughed, he never danced. How did he perform his miracles?

It could be quite incorrect to say that Jesus did not 'know' or experience the power of liberating ectasy. Very little of him is actually known, as the Bible is not an accuration representation of who he was. I tend to believe there is no need to oppose a spiritual master to another, for no one rise to overshadow another.

May we not be religious in our spiritual quest.

Greetings over there

I belong to nobody

LoJ:

It could be quite incorrect to say that Jesus did not 'know' or experience the power of liberating ectasy. Very little of him is actually known, as the Bible is not an accuration representation of who he was. I tend to believe there is no need to oppose a spiritual master to another, for no one rise to overshadow another.

May we not be religious in our spiritual quest.

Greetings over there

I am not talking about the Jesus in the gnostic gospels which I sense you are referring to.
You misread me Sire cos I wrote from an angle that goes beyond liberating ectasy. Pray tell me is there humour on the face of the old testament? I am hinting at something you suspect not. Mind you I never said Jesus lacks spiritual depth. No

As for being religious well personally I detest religions and the religious. As for masters I acknowledge all but I have none

Hi Merakhi

I almost missed your mention.

Do you always knowingly misspell my moniker.

Evol? Did you just say Evolved and mizmycoli in a sentence.

Ehn, let me claim it and be going

Happy 2018 to you too, Sis.

Mujtahida:

Hi Mujtahida

I read your posts, and if it's worth anything, I'd like to say that I understand you.

Let me tell you one of the things that made me noticed when I joined the forum...

It was something in the lines of:-
"Life and Love is my Religion"
"Give everyone grace" (I should add that I notice I got zero chills these days)

Now, these mantras I write above, I learned from one man, his name is Jim palmer. I was almost literally into him. His teachings resonated, I was awed...I would yap and yap and yap about him a lot here on NL. If I created a topic, it was an excerpt of what Jim said....I read his book, inner anarchy, and I got more hooked. I eveb went to his website and wrote this long adulation, honestly, it hurt my heart a bit that he did not reply. But! There was a lesson to be learned there

Oh, then there was Richard Murray. Mehn, at a time when Christianity and Atheism were dangling carrots infront of me, R.M made Christianity soooo attractive.
He helped me realize that the core message of true selfless Christianity, I mean, what it is to be Christlike, is love; in its truest, purest sense.

Back in the day, I was a lover...
I could not allow myself be any less.
All I ever really desired, still do, is to be love made perfect. (I should prolly add that I think I suck at loving these days)

Okay, so what was I driving at exactly?

I appreciated these men a lot, I liked that they were helping me unearth deep truths that had been inactive in my consciousness for years.
Some people on NL began to think I was worshipping them.
But within me, I did not feel that way...I just really, really, appreciated them. I was passionate about their message and I expressed it.

I get where Lo J is driving at, and I believe that you do too...

However, I encourage you to be.
and by being, I mean that you should express yourself as you feel good about.

Like me too, this is a phase in your life.
It will pass, but I wish for you to enjoy it.

A time will come when you may no longer speak about spiritual teachers with so much fervor, and passion.
A time will come when you get to focus more on you and your own KNOWING.
A time will come when you just might find that you simply have no interest in books of any kind....because you are now set to begin threading your own path, writing your OWN story, and sharing your OWN commentary.

However, until then my friend, do BE.
Do enjoy this moment, relish it, be fully present in it. Let nothing worry or trouble your heart. The best hands in the universe has got you.



^^^
Is like something was writing through me.
It feels like I was actually talking to myself at the end.

MizMyColi:


Hi Mujtahida

I read your posts, and if it's worth anything, I'd like to say that I understand you.

Let me tell you one of the things that made me noticed when I joined the forum...

It was something in the lines of:-
"Life and Love is my Religion"
"Give everyone grace" (I should add that I notice I got zero chills these days)

Now, these mantras I write above, I learned from one man, his name is Jim palmer. I was almost literally into him. His teachings resonated, I was awed...I would yap and yap and yap about him a lot here on NL. If I created a topic, it was an excerpt of what Jim said....I read his book, inner anarchy, and I got more hooked. I eveb went to his website and wrote this long adulation, honestly, it hurt my heart a bit that he did not reply. But! There was a lesson to be learned there

Oh, then there was Richard Murray. Mehn, at a time when Christianity and Atheism were dangling carrots infront of me, R.M made Christianity soooo attractive.
He helped me realize that the core message of true selfless Christianity, I mean, what it is to be Christlike, is love; in its truest, purest sense.

Back in the day, I was a lover...
I could not allow myself be any less.
All I ever really desired, still do, is to be love made perfect. (I should prolly add that I think I suck at loving these days)

Okay, so what was I driving at exactly?

I appreciated these men a lot, I liked that they were helping me unearth deep truths that had been inactive in my consciousness for years.
Some people on NL began to think I was worshipping them.
But within me, I did not feel that way...I just really, really, appreciated them. I was passionate about their message and I expressed it.

I get where Lo J is driving at, and I believe that you do too...

However, I encourage you to be.
and by being, I mean that you should express yourself as you feel good about.

Like me too, this is a phase in your life.
It will pass, but I wish for you to enjoy it.

A time will come when you may no longer speak about spiritual teachers with so much fervor, and passion.
A time will come when you get to focus more on you and your own KNOWING.
A time will come when you just might find that you simply have no interest in books of any kind....because you are now set to begin threading your own path, writing your OWN story, and sharing your OWN commentary.

However, until then my friend, do BE.
Do enjoy this moment, relish it, be fully present in it. Let nothing worry or trouble your heart. The best hands in the universe has got you.



^^^
Is like something was writing through me.
It feels like I was actually talking to myself at the end.

So much, just so much you've poured out here and I take your words deeply to heart. Your words resonate with me. All I can say is thank you for understanding me. Love is understanding and you've generously lavished it on me because you penetrated what I wrote, you saw beyond the words, you saw the man. Thank you, thank you, thank you. I am, I will be what I am.

I tend to attack Christianity as a religious and belief system(but I don't attack Christians, it's needless) because I lived it and it failed me. I see it as one big fraud but that's just my experience and I will keep writing about it. I feel it poisoned my life but ultimately responsibility rests with me. But- like you so perceptively pointed out- it's a phase.

Yeah you write ever so passionately, so heartfelt and with much warmth. There's a candle in your soul.


And I will check out those guys you once were so hooked up on.

Mujtahida:

As for being religious well personally I detest religions and the religious. As for masters I acknowledge all but I have none

Hello there,

being religious has nothing to do with belonging to or even finding pleasure in a religion. It is a mindset. Many an Atheist, and even spiritual seekers are very religious in this regard.

With respect to hinting to what I suspect not, I shall agree with you and leave it at that.

Have a great day.

Mujtahida:

So much, just so much you've poured out here and I take your words deeply to heart. Your words resonate with me. All I can say is thank you for understanding me. Love is understanding and you've generously lavished it on me because you penetrated what I wrote, you saw beyond the words, you saw the man. Thank you, thank you, thank you. I am, I will be what I am.

I tend to attack Christianity as a religious and belief system(but I don't attack Christians, it's needless) because I lived it and it failed me. I see it as one big fraud but that's just my experience and I will keep writing about it. I feel it poisoned my life but ultimately responsibility rests with me. But- like you so perceptively pointed out- it's a phase.

Yeah you write ever so passionately, so heartfelt and with much warmth. There's a candle in your soul.


And I will check out those guys you once were so hooked up on.

Thank you.
I've actually evolved from them....

Hehehehehehehe
It's really not sooo easy for me to be my very expressive self in publics like this...
I dunno, maybe it's paranoia yeah?
Maybe it's from my days in Politics when I had to be guarded before someone comes on my posts and looks for shots to fire me with.

I'm glad I took the plunge.

Hahahahaha
I laughed in my mind.
Then I laughed out loud because of that word you used "Perceptive"

It reminded me the words of a very dear one..

"You are too perceptive for your own good"

MizMyColi:


Hi Mujtahida

I read your posts, and if it's worth anything, I'd like to say that I understand you.

Let me tell you one of the things that made me noticed when I joined the forum...

It was something in the lines of:-
"Life and Love is my Religion"
"Give everyone grace" (I should add that I notice I got zero chills these days)

Now, these mantras I write above, I learned from one man, his name is Jim palmer. I was almost literally into him. His teachings resonated, I was awed...I would yap and yap and yap about him a lot here on NL. If I created a topic, it was an excerpt of what Jim said....I read his book, inner anarchy, and I got more hooked. I eveb went to his website and wrote this long adulation, honestly, it hurt my heart a bit that he did not reply. But! There was a lesson to be learned there

Oh, then there was Richard Murray. Mehn, at a time when Christianity and Atheism were dangling carrots infront of me, R.M made Christianity soooo attractive.
He helped me realize that the core message of true selfless Christianity, I mean, what it is to be Christlike, is love; in its truest, purest sense.

Back in the day, I was a lover...
I could not allow myself be any less.
All I ever really desired, still do, is to be love made perfect. (I should prolly add that I think I suck at loving these days)

Okay, so what was I driving at exactly?

I appreciated these men a lot, I liked that they were helping me unearth deep truths that had been inactive in my consciousness for years.
Some people on NL began to think I was worshipping them.
But within me, I did not feel that way...I just really, really, appreciated them. I was passionate about their message and I expressed it.

I get where Lo J is driving at, and I believe that you do too...

However, I encourage you to be.
and by being, I mean that you should express yourself as you feel good about.

Like me too, this is a phase in your life.
It will pass, but I wish for you to enjoy it.

A time will come when you may no longer speak about spiritual teachers with so much fervor, and passion.
A time will come when you get to focus more on you and your own KNOWING.
A time will come when you just might find that you simply have no interest in books of any kind....because you are now set to begin threading your own path, writing your OWN story, and sharing your OWN commentary.

However, until then my friend, do BE.
Do enjoy this moment, relish it, be fully present in it. Let nothing worry or trouble your heart. The best hands in the universe has got you.



^^^
Is like something was writing through me.
It feels like I was actually talking to myself at the end.

I NEED this book. How do I get it. Do you have an electronic copy? If you do can you kindly email it to me?

Mujtahida:

I NEED this book. How do I get it. Do you have an electronic copy? If you do can you kindly email it to me?

Which one? Inner Anarchy?

https://www.amazon.com/Inner-Anarchy-Dethroning-Jesus-Ourselves/dp/1503174484

I just read some of the preview on amazon, you should too. Now that I do read again, I would like to reread the book.

Let me go to my old house and check if I still have the hard copy.

Mujtahida:

I have seen it on archive.org but will read it later. I'm reading 'Plan for a miracle'. Osho is a master of the inner life. This is it: Christianity lacks spiritual vitality. Everything is mechanical and soul sapping. The pathologies and neurotic twistedness that Christianity has introduced into the world cannot be tracked until the end of time. Through its dead and deadening scriptural commands it has afflicted individuals with the disease of righteousness and inflicted mankind with the epidemic of holiness. Righteousness cannot be commanded, holiness can not be legislated. It must be an impulse in the soul, organic, fresh and life giving. All exterior commands are the weapons of death. Hypocrisy is the only way Christians breathe out of the staleness, out of the sepulchre of the faith.
i
No pastor, Bishop, Rev in Nigeria has the deep spiritual understanding of the inner life that Osho has. And I love him because he doesn't indulge in philosophical and metaphysical jumble talk. He's clear, straightforward, simple, gentle as rainfall and very expansive and very humorous and irreverent. No sickening talk about sin. His overwhelming life affirming. And he's weird too

He dances, he laughs, he talks and breathes poetry. He is a living healer. It's amazing that Jesus had no sense of humour, he never laughed, he never danced. How did he perform his miracles?

I trust you understand what dance and laughter mean in this context. There must be wind in the soul of a healer
Sarassin

thanks for the link to "the God conspiracy"...

I devoured it like I was eating fried pork.. lol.

please do help me with the link to the other two books mentioned...

thanks once again

Dcholeric:

thanks for the link to "the God conspiracy"...

I devoured it like I was eating fried pork.. lol.

please do help me with the link to the other two books mentioned...

thanks once again

I'm afraid of the antispam bot banning me but nevertheless let me risk it and give you the link to a throve containing Osho's books. It's still archive.org. You will see them after clicking the Full text format containing 100 files from the various file formats. https://archive.org/details/BookOfSecretsTheWorldOfTantra

Enjoy your feast. Cheers

Hi Mujtahida,



I'm currently on page 21

When I say there is no God, I am denying personality to God. I am saying God is not, but there is
tremendous godliness. That is an impersonal energy, pure energy. To impose any form on it is
ugly. You are imposing yourself on it.

Ha!
Now this is something.
Heiiiii, looooooooool
That's something.

Blunt, factual.

But come to think of it...

What if our views of this pure energy which Osho describes as self imposition is actually just a facet/aspect of this energy...what if that is this pure energy's own way of experiencing humanity without contaminating its very core.

Someone please talk to me, is like my head is spinning. Lol.

When you say 'God' you are using a noun, something static, dead. When I say 'godliness' I am
using a word for something alive, flowing, moving. So these points have to be clear to you. I am
not a theist like Jesus or Mohammed or Krishna, because I cannot agree with a dead god.
God -- perfect, absolute, omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent; these are the words used for
God by all the religions -- is dead, cannot be alive, cannot breathe. No, I reject such a god,
because with such a dead god, this whole universe will be dead.

Godliness is a totally different dimension. Then the greenness in the tree, then the flowering of
the rose, then the bird in flight -- all are part of it. Then God is not separate from the universe.
Then he is the very soul of the universe. Then the universe is vibrating, pulsating, breathing...
godliness.

Is this why I have found it so somehow to call God and talk about God the way most people do?

Is this why I have found it difficult accepting God, as in the way I was thought to accept God, and even then....I can't totally rule out his existence, nonetheless knowing within me there is something fundamentally wrong with my subconscious' overall image of God?

My head.
Ori mi o!!!


What have I gotten myself into bikonum?

MizMyColi:


Hi Mujtahida

I read your posts, and if it's worth anything, I'd like to say that I understand you.

Let me tell you one of the things that made me noticed when I joined the forum...

It was something in the lines of:-
"Life and Love is my Religion"
"Give everyone grace" (I should add that I notice I got zero chills these days)

Now, these mantras I write above, I learned from one man, his name is Jim palmer. I was almost literally into him. His teachings resonated, I was awed...I would yap and yap and yap about him a lot here on NL. If I created a topic, it was an excerpt of what Jim said....I read his book, inner anarchy, and I got more hooked. I eveb went to his website and wrote this long adulation, honestly, it hurt my heart a bit that he did not reply. But! There was a lesson to be learned there

Oh, then there was Richard Murray. Mehn, at a time when Christianity and Atheism were dangling carrots infront of me, R.M made Christianity soooo attractive.
He helped me realize that the core message of true selfless Christianity, I mean, what it is to be Christlike, is love; in its truest, purest sense.

Back in the day, I was a lover...
I could not allow myself be any less.
All I ever really desired, still do, is to be love made perfect. (I should prolly add that I think I suck at loving these days)

Okay, so what was I driving at exactly?

I appreciated these men a lot, I liked that they were helping me unearth deep truths that had been inactive in my consciousness for years.
Some people on NL began to think I was worshipping them.
But within me, I did not feel that way...I just really, really, appreciated them. I was passionate about their message and I expressed it.

I get where Lo J is driving at, and I believe that you do too...

However, I encourage you to be.
and by being, I mean that you should express yourself as you feel good about.

Like me too, this is a phase in your life.
It will pass, but I wish for you to enjoy it.

A time will come when you may no longer speak about spiritual teachers with so much fervor, and passion.
A time will come when you get to focus more on you and your own KNOWING.
A time will come when you just might find that you simply have no interest in books of any kind....because you are now set to begin threading your own path, writing your OWN story, and sharing your OWN commentary.

However, until then my friend, do BE.
Do enjoy this moment, relish it, be fully present in it. Let nothing worry or trouble your heart. The best hands in the universe has got you.



^^^
Is like something was writing through me.
It feels like I was actually talking to myself at the end.

This is highly intuitive.

MizMyColi:
Hi Mujtahida,



I'm currently on page 21



Ha!
Now this is something.
Heiiiii, looooooooool
That's something.

Blunt, factual.

But come to think of it...

What if our views of this pure energy which Osho describes as self imposition is actually just a facet/aspect of this energy...what if that is this pure energy's own way of experiencing humanity without contaminating its very core.

Someone please talk to me, is like my head is spinning. Lol.

Sorry I've been offline. I see you quite understand the point Osho is making. Naming this energy is man's way of defining it, taming it, containing it but it's all futile cos like the line in one of the songs in sound of music 'how do you hold a moonbeam in your hand? That's what the religions have done and even more perniciously is the fact that they are not content with pinning a name on this energy, they also ascribe exclusivity to it hence the Abrahamic religions say their way is the only way, their scriptures the only revelation, heaven is meant only for them.

But they think like this because they've not looked beyond the fence that hedges them in. This energy looks at the world through our eyes, through our personalities, it becomes flesh through us. So I think you are right in saying it experiences humanity through us. This energy is at work in all men. We do not need to name it, we just need perhaps to open ourselves to it and enjoy its flow.

MizMyColi:


Is this why I have found it so somehow to call God and talk about God the way most people do?

Is this why I have found it difficult accepting God, as in the way I was thought to accept God, and even then....I can't totally rule out his existence, nonetheless knowing within me there is something fundamentally wrong with my subconscious' overall image of God?

My head.
Ori mi o!!!


What have I gotten myself into bikonum?

Hahahaha hahahaha. I think central to understanding Osho is to the word flow. He believes that the god of the major religions is a dead god because he has no flow. His revelation is old, his prophets are in the past, he is a book God. I reject such a God too.

Long before I read Osho I realised that the god the religions worship is a dead god, an idol, a fiction. If he were a living God he won't need no book. Think:in which book is the sun written in? The sun needs no book. It shines. God as espoused by the churches and other religions is truly in the words of Nietzche dead, very dead.

But this does not mean that I deny god's existence. Let's raise an altar to the 'unknown God'. Religion lies when it claims it knows God.