karo93:

@bee444

fornication is a decision between loving your self more than God or God more than yourself as (John 14:15) says If you love me, you will keep my commandments.

the ball is in your court!

bee444:

bee444.huun.i pity u.c d way u sounded
''afterall he remember we are flesh and made from d dust'
'my
pple perish for lack of wisdom(honestly speaking no insult intended.and dont quote me wrongly)so ar u sayin dat because we ar flesh,we av d right to comit som sin.flesh wi neva inherit his kingdom only spirit wi.rememba d work of the flesh in Galatian
5vs19-21

AYODEJI4LOVE:

Image123:

Bee444
Most girls were not called virgins in the OT, most girls were virgins in the OT.

karo93:

Rom.8.7- and a person becomes an enemy of God when he is controlled by human nature for he does not obey God’s law and in fact cannot obey it.

Deut.22.21(GNB)
…then they are to take her to the entrance of her father’s house where the men of the city are to stone her to death.
She has done a shameful thing by having intercourse before she was married.

With this how can someone say it is in our nature so it is not wrong or was this girl not acting according to her nature?

13 If a man takes a wife and, after lying with her, dislikes her 14 and slanders her and gives her a bad name, saying, "I married this woman, but when I approached her, I did not find proof of her virginity," 15 then the girl's father and mother shall bring proof that she was a virgin to the town elders at the gate. 16 The girl's father will say to the elders, "I gave my daughter in marriage to this man, but he dislikes her. 17 Now he has slandered her and said, 'I did not find your daughter to be a virgin.' But here is the proof of my daughter's virginity." Then her parents shall display the cloth before the elders of the town, 18 and the elders shall take the man and punish him. 19 They shall fine him a hundred shekels of silver [b] and give them to the girl's father, because this man has given an Israelite virgin a bad name. She shall continue to be his wife; he must not divorce her as long as he lives.
20 If, however, the charge is true and no proof of the girl's virginity can be found, 21 she shall be brought to the door of her father's house and there the men of her town shall stone her to death. She has done a disgraceful thing in Israel by being promiscuous while still in her father's house. You must purge the evil from among you.

22 If a man is found sleeping with another man's wife, both the man who slept with her and the woman must die. You must purge the evil from Israel.

23 If a man happens to meet in a town a virgin pledged to be married and he sleeps with her, 24 you shall take both of them to the gate of that town and stone them to death—the girl because she was in a town and did not scream for help, and the man because he violated another man's wife. You must purge the evil from among you.

Zodiac61:

@bee444,
you are the one misquoting the bible. There is no mention of 'virgins lying about their virgin status' (a wrong use of words but your meaning is clear). It is quite clear from Deut. 22 that the authors of this book expected all women to be virgins before marriage.

Deut 22. 13-24Stop trying to read things that are not there into the bible. If everybody obeys this part of the bible, most single women in churches up and down the would be taken to the doors of their fathers' houses and stoned to death.
Verse 23 makes it clear that a woman could be stoned even if she was despoiled, because she did not scream out. I wonder how many women would scream out whilst they are being despoiled for fear of further damage to them. This piece of male misogyny is what some people expect us to believe is the inerrant word of god. Some god  

Ogaga4Luv link=topic=date=13:


Yeah~~ I am one of them , and so are you. . . . . so, let us praise Satan.

Quote from: Image123 on April 08, 2010, 11:40 PM

Image123:

Maykelly
Is that quote from ogaga or from image123? Abeg, no put me for trouble o

Super T:

You need go for deliverace. You need to deal with your foundation if you come from polygamous family, and you

determine to effect change in your Life.

Super T:

You need go for deliverace. You need to deal with your foundation if you come from polygamous family, and you

determine to effect change in your Life.

Gabry:

Poster, if you are doing it with the love of your life why not? If you are doing it with multiple users, than u should tell this to yourself.

U cannot always get what you want and this is one of it.

I use to feel so sick cause Im not getting laid by my bf and I layed in bed feeling so sick. That time he was out stattion and the worst thing is that I have just gotten Dis V so the urge is extemely torturing. . . Everyday I called him on phone and cried. LOL! DAANG!!!! And I force myself to sleep and cried over it. I thank God I didnt get it from anywhere else. . . The feeling of being faithful to the one you love makes you proud and theres nothing which you need to hide from him.

It is no different from hunger or thirst.

Yes, Man being an advanced creature is entitled to deploy discretion in the exercise of his instincts.

And in terms of such discretion i can conceive of no higher principle than that which you are already applying: to wit - limiting your se.xual life to one person who you love deeply.

Any person who attempts to make you feel guilty for this simply has no understanding of existence, creation and nature.
Indeed such persons are a danger to all reason and commonsense.

The reality is that such persons have been indoctrinated by a bizarre and most unnatural anti-se.x dogma which has its origins in misguided notions of morality deriving from religion and culture.

The only culture you should be beholden to is the culture of nature.

Examine it.

bee444:


@AYODEJI4LOVE

I believe you're one of those Nigerian Church goers that lack understanding of the Bible but instead believe every words of your pastor without studying the scripture.

I would not want to debate or have any argument with you but instead lecture you.

I never said we have the right to commit sin nor do I intend to encourage people to fornicate. Pre-marital intimacy or fornication as you would call it, is primarily our genetic mandate to mate and that is reflected in our sexual desire.

What we should now do is to separate the biological/evolutionary drivers of fornication from cultural and religion.

In the OT, according to Ex 22: 16-17" If a man seduces a virgin who is not engaged, and lies with her, he must pay a dowry for her to be his wife. If her father absolutely refuses to give her to him, he shall pay money equal to the dowry for virgins."

Also in Deuteronomy 22: 28-29, it say,  "If a man seduces a virgin who is not engaged, and lies with her, he must pay a dowry for her to be his wife. If her father absolutely refuses to give her to him, he shall pay money equal to the dowry for virgins."

Now, the Exodus passage above is the only one of the two verses in the bible that directly deals with pre-marital intimacy. Points to note, neither the guy nor the woman in the Exodus verse is rebuked or punished for the sin (compare to deut 22). The man is required to seek marriage immediately after fornicating with the girl(in those days, most girls were called virgins). The Bible makes us to understand that even if the girls father refuses you her hand in married, you're still bound to pay the dowry. After this, every punishment or sin against you is totally non-existence.

Deut 22: 28-29 case is different to that of the Exodus 22 in that it involves despoil and not a consensual pre-marital intimacy. In this scenario, the man that commit such crime must take the woman into his wife and a chance to divorce is totally against the law. *The despoil of  married woman carries the death penalty.

In [b[b]]Deut 20:10[[/b][b][/b]/b], it clearly states that if a man desires a wife, all he has to do is to go out and get  a woman and sleeps with her, if she's found pleasing, he has the option to marry her or send her away as long as he fulfils the conditions i.e paying the girl's father.

In every case of pre-marital intimacy in the Bible, there is no punishment for the sexual act other than the compensation paid to the father of the girl.

There are a lot of repressive teachings going on out there based on repressive Christian traditions of which I believe are done out of ignorance and with no biblical basis.

Every book of the NT was specifically written for some sections of the Christians in those days. Some of them still applies to us today and some of them don't.





What?!!!
Did you say Det 20:10 are u kiddng me. Abeg what did dat scripture say? Well my bible was talking about war but I wonder where dis guy saw sex.

I feel bad that I am only here in 2016, I should HV been here in 2010 to disagree.

Again why will you say if u want to marry sleep with a girl and if u won't marry her pay dowry? That means the bible is teaching fallacy. Let me return with Ans

Lacrissa:
I really hope God forgives me. I just wish intimacy with your loved one not every tom, dic*k and harry, just your loved one wasn't bad. God knows I love him, though I still fornicate as in have intimacy with my loved one. Help

EvangOlu:
If you need freedom for fornication or masturbation the only way out is to give your life to Jesus, become sanctified after that you'll find out that those things no longer interest you because your flesh becomes crucified.

noetic16:
yes I saw that.



This is both false and ridiculous. In the context of the thread. . . .how is S.EX necessary for survival? and is S.EX on its own a taboo?
Se.x is not an ingridient necessary for human survival. . .se.x is also not a taboo but sex.ual relations that violate the conscience code, which includes fornication et all.



is food the same as sex?  



are u confused?   u mentioned earlier that humans as higher animals have the ability to control their urges. . .how then doesse.x constitute a stimuli?



what species are we talking about?. . .humans or animals?



Stop celebrating ignorance.
Start by defining conscience . . . . .u have listed imaginary xterics of conscience without neccesarily defining or understanding the term. when I said that the human conscience was independent of the human system. . . . .I was attempting to construct a definition for u.
So start by defining the conscience.



Sorry, but that was very LAME.



This is meaningless in light of the debate.

1. The conscience is influenced by beliefs. The islamic beliefs makes a muslim not feel guilty or remorse for indulging in a terrorist act.

2. Beliefs are influenced by the Conscience: The fact that millions of people in different but anti-deluvian societies find themselves upholding the same taboos in enough reason to sustain this position.