oh wait wait and what about. . . the difference between zodiac mudley and jagunlabi. . .

nuffing

they are just fictional characters conjured up by my computer to precede the nonesense it shows on the screen. . .

oh wait wait and what about. . . the difference between zodiac mudley and jagunlabi. . .

nuffing

they are just fictional characters conjured up by my computer to precede the nonesense it shows on the screen. . .

How does it feel to be WORSHIPING a pure work of fiction?

Allah is not a God but is a sun gods.
Is one of the falling Engels. When Satan was formally known as Lucifer son of the morning star and the falling Engels, When Satan and the falling Engels entered the earth planet, Satan now planed his kingdom by using some of the strong falling Engels Knows as Principalities and Powers to Take over must of the major area that he knows he can win souls of man. He use some of the Demons as religion Demons, they are the one in charge of false religion deceiving God's children. These are the Demons Many religions are worshiping thinking they are worshiping Real God.

Mudley313:



How does it feel to be WORSHIPING a pure work of fiction?

How would I know

kunletech:

Allah is not a God but is a sun gods.
Is one of the falling Engels. When Satan was formally known as Lucifer son of the morning star and the falling Engels, When Satan and the falling Engels entered the earth planet, Satan now planed his kingdom by using some of the strong falling Engels Knows as Principalities and Powers to Take over must of the major area that he knows he can win souls of man. He use some of the Demons as religion Demons, they are the one in charge of false religion deceiving God's children. These are the Demons Many religions are worshiping thinking they are worshiping Real God.

and what story book did u get all these crap from?

streetwize:

oh wait wait and what about. . . the difference between zodiac mudley and jagunlabi. . .

nuffing

they are just fictional characters conjured up by my computer to precede the nonesense it shows on the screen. . . 

OWW, that hurt. Below the belt. I am real all right. I am not sure about someone who cannot spell nonsense though. 

Basically there is no english equivalent for the arabic word ALLAH as the the english God/Lord has so many derivatives like false god,small god,goddess or landlord e.t.c.,while ALLAH represent the only true creator and sustainer of the whole universe.HE IS THE FIRST AND THE LAST THE POWERFUL THE MIGHTY .HE KNOWS AND SEES ALL THINGS.THE CREATOR OF ALL CREATIONS.HE HAS NO PARENT NOR SON.HE NEITHER FORGET NOR SLEEP and of course he has so many attributes with which to describe him and only him shall we all return.
now,If ur God has allthis attributes then may be we are talking about the same ALLAh.if not let ur God be ur God and my ALLAH be my ALLAH.

the brainless christians think that they are winning. of course they have sold their souls to the devil they also xall lucifer who controls their affairs; waylaying them from the path of truth, but steering them to all kinds of evil to the point that the say God has a son, and also a spirit that flies all over the places like bat.

If I am an Igbo man do I say abandone Chineke for God of British man when talking to Mr. Nwobodo? If I were a syrian Christian should I not say Allah while I say God?

The answers are No because each langiage has a word or words that denote(s) the Creator.

To say that Cat Stevens when talking to his family members in his English native language in England says God, only deadheads like Olaadegbu, Jesus and the goons like them will say that he is talking about Christian God, when this man is a well known Muslim.

Boys, darn nigerians, forget te languages of your forefathers and stick with what you adopt and will neverbe accpted by the natives of those English speaking nations.

My Ilah is Allah and He is not the ilah of the Kafiruun in their Jahaliyyah. Is there a Creator other than One Creator, while the Christians say Jesus is God. And another God is Ghost. And the last is Father. Yet the Catholics, the mother of more arrogant polytheist Protestants prays for help from Mary. In Islam, those who petition, pray, depend, etc to anyone anything alog with the Creator are idol worshippers who have been left alone to seek from what they associate with The Almighty.

By the way, if I were to write this in Igbo forum, everything would have been in Igbo language.

*shake my head* @ another my god is better than ur god argument

may u guys pls for once leave these arguments for ur all powerful gods to speak for their all powerful selves

@ poster, .

U nor see the spelling

the brainless christians think that they are winning. of course they have sold their souls to the devil they also xall lucifer who controls their affairs; waylaying them from the path of truth, but steering them to all kinds of evil

Do you know who you are worshipping ?

say God has a son

We have a God who shed his blood for us in the name of Jesus Christ. Your god requires that you shed your blood for him. Obviously he is too high and mighty to come down and save his deceived children.

a spirit that flies all over the places like bat.

The Holy Spirit is God's Spirit.

If I am an Igbo man do I say abandone Chineke for God of British man when talking to Mr. Nwobodo? If I were a syrian Christian should I not say Allah while I say God?

Allah and God are not the same. God forbid that it should be so.

To say that Cat Stevens when talking to his family members in his English native language in England says God, only deadheads like Olaadegbu, Jesus and the goons like them will say that he is talking about Christian God, when this man is a well known Muslim.

Islam has to be a laugh. The only religion that boasts of adding unrepentant hard core sinners to its number. e.g Tyson, Michael Jackson etc.

My Ilah is Allah and He is not the ilah of the Kafiruun in their Jahaliyyah. Is there a Creator other than One Creator, while the Christians say Jesus is God. And another God is Ghost. And the last is Father. Yet the Catholics, the mother of more arrogant polytheist Protestants prays for help from Mary. In Islam, those who petition, pray, depend, etc to anyone anything alog with the Creator are idol worshippers who have been left alone to seek from what they associate with The Almighty.

Too difficult to comprehend because you have not the Spirit. Your arrogance has shut you out of the kingdom.

nopuqeater:

the brainless christians think that they are winning.

It is not just that we are winning but Jesus has won the battle on the cross of Calvarly and has given us the victory over all the works of the devil and made us more than conquerors in Christ.

nopuqeater:

of course they have sold their souls to the devil they also xall lucifer who controls their affairs; waylaying them from the path of truth, but steering them to all kinds of evil to the point that the say God has a son, and also a spirit that flies all over the places like bat.

The moment a mad man realises the state of his sanity he will be on the path of recovery as they say. If the Son of God makes you free you shall be free indeed.

nopuqeater:

If I am an Igbo man do I say abandone Chineke for God of British man when talking to Mr. Nwobodo? If I were a syrian Christian should I not say Allah while I say God?

Mankind, regardless of their cultural background have the intuition that there is a God, the question is that do they know Him? Whatever name we choose to call God in our language do we really know who Him? Is He knowable and approachable? God made Himself known to man through Abraham and his seed. Salvation is of the Jews. The revelation of the Person of God has been given to us through the Jews from which you get the Holy Scriptures and our Lord Jesus Christ. Any other god is beside the point.

nopuqeater:

The answers are No because each langiage has a word or words that denote(s) the Creator.

They may have a word for the Creator but that does not mean that they know Him.

nopuqeater:

To say that Cat Stevens when talking to his family members in his English native language in England says God, only deadheads like Olaadegbu, Jesus and the goons like them will say that he is talking about Christian God, when this man is a well known Muslim.

It is a privilege for you to put me on the side of my Saviour and Lord, and this says so much about the lip service you guys pay by saying that Jesus is one of your respected prophets. No one disputes the fact that Cat Stevens is talking about his god, Allah but it is definitely not the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob that he was talking about.

nopuqeater:

Boys, darn nigerians, forget te languages of your forefathers and stick with what you adopt and will neverbe accpted by the natives of those English speaking nations.

If you want to know the name of God that was revealed to the Jews the name is Yahweh, and the last time I checked it didn't appear to be an English name unless you want to translate it to your own language.

nopuqeater:

My Ilah is Allah and He is not the ilah of the Kafiruun in their Jahaliyyah. Is there a Creator other than One Creator, while the Christians say Jesus is God. And another God is Ghost. And the last is Father. Yet the Catholics, the mother of more arrogant polytheist Protestants prays for help from Mary. In Islam, those who petition, pray, depend, etc to anyone anything alog with the Creator are idol worshippers who have been left alone to seek from what they associate with The Almighty.

I am not disputing that your ilah is not the god whom you worship and I agree that we worship a triune God of whom you are ignorant about. If you could listen to what Jesus said that "Salvation is of the Jews" you would have realised that there is no other name given under heaven by which we could be saved except the name of Yeshua of whom you have no language to call him in your qur'an, almost all if not all of your so called prophets in your book are Jews I wonder what the rest of he Arabic prophets were doing.

nopuqeater:

By the way, if I were to write this in Igbo forum, everything would have been in Igbo language.

Why not start by giving us the arabic name of Esau who cannot be traced in your qur'an?

Religion has never been known to be objective, not even two people who profess faith in the same religion can have exactly the same understanding of it. While one idiot might think catholicism is another form of polytheism, another might think otherwise. In all, your religion concerns you and you alone, nothing more.

Linusman:

Religion has never been known to be objective, not even two people who profess faith in the same religion can have exactly the same understanding of it. While one idiot might think catholicism is another form of polytheism, another might think otherwise. In all, your religion concerns you and you alone, nothing more.

What all religions share in common is the talking about the Creator who they do not know but the difference of Christianity with religion is that the Creator God came down to reconcile us to Himself so that we can not only know Him but have a living, loving relationship with Him just as Adam and Eve had before the fall.

@All,
Can someone tell me the names of God which were divergent with these two that you guys are pedestal your discussion on them?

GOD is ONE. It is we beings that name him names.
He is to you who you 'KNOW' him to be. There arises therefore no basis for comparism.

I know MY GOD!

OLAADEGBU:

What all religions share in common is the talking about the Creator who they do not know but the difference of Christianity with religion is that the Creator God came down to reconcile us to Himself so that we can not only know Him but have a living, loving relationship with Him just as Adam and Eve had before the fall.

The arrogance of the believer leads them to the certainty that their faith is the one true faith. However, even amongst the christians there is no agreement on what that belief entails. We see arguments daily on nairaland between christians, each one satisfied that all the others have got it wrong.
Add into the mix the muslims, Buddhists and others, and one can begin to see why people are willing kill for their beliefs.
The reality is that religion is the art of believing that which is not proven and that can never be proven. This is why believers have faith but not proof.
Christianity has no better claim to the truth than Shintoism or idol worshipping.

@ All

CONGRATULATING AN ATHEIST


Normally, when I meet an atheist, the first thing I like to do is to congratulate him and say, " My special congratulations to you", because most of the people who believe in God are doing blind belief - he is a Christian, because his father is a Christian; he is a Hindu, because his father is a Hindu; the majority of the people in the world are blindly following the religion of their fathers. An atheist, on the other hand, even though he may belong to a religious family, uses his intellect to deny the existence of God; what ever concept or qualities of God he may have learnt in his religion may not seem to be logical to him.

My Muslim brothers may question me, "Zakir, why are you congratulating an atheist?" The reason that I am congratulating an atheist is because he agrees with the first part of the Shahada i.e. the Islamic Creed, ‘La ilaaha’ - meaning ‘there is no God’. So half my job is already done; now the only part left is ‘il lallah’ i.e. ‘BUT ALLAH’ which I shall do Insha Allah. With others (who are not atheists) I have to first remove from their minds the wrong concept of God they may have and then put the correct concept of one true God.


LOGICAL CONCEPT OF GOD


My first question to the atheist will be: "What is the definition of God?" For a person to say there is no God, he should know what is the meaning of God. If I hold a book and say that ‘this is a pen’, for the opposite person to say, ‘it is not a pen’, he should know what is the definition of a pen, even if he does not know nor is able to recognise or identify the object I am holding in my hand. For him to say this is not a pen, he should at least know what a pen means. Similarly for an atheist to say ‘there is no God’, he should at least know the concept of God. His concept of God would be derived from the surroundings in which he lives. The god that a large number of people worship has got human qualities - therefore he does not believe in such a god. Similarly a Muslim too does not and should not believe in such false gods.

If a non-Muslim believes that Islam is a merciless religion with something to do with terrorism; a religion which does not give rights to women; a religion which contradicts science; in his limited sense that non-Muslim is correct to reject such Islam. The problem is he has a wrong picture of Islam. Even I reject such a false picture of Islam, but at the same time, it becomes my duty as a Muslim to present the correct picture of Islam to that non-Muslim i.e. Islam is a merciful religion, it gives equal rights to the women, it is not incompatible with logic, reason and science; if I present the correct facts about Islam, that non-Muslim may Inshallah accept Islam.

Similarly the atheist rejects the false gods and the duty of every Muslim is to present the correct concept of God which he shall Insha Allah not refuse.

(You may refer to my article, ‘Concept of God in Islam’, for more details)


QUR’AN AND MODERN SCIENCE


The methods of proving the existence of God with usage of the material provided in the ‘Concept of God in Islam’ to an atheist may satisfy some but not all.

Many atheists demand a scientific proof for the existence of God. I agree that today is the age of science and technology. Let us use scientific knowledge to kill two birds with one stone, i.e. to prove the existence of God and simultaneously prove that the Qur’an is a revelation of God.

If a new object or a machine, which no one in the world has ever seen or heard of before, is shown to an atheist or any person and then a question is asked, " Who is the first person who will be able to provide details of the mechanism of this unknown object? After little bit of thinking, he will reply, ‘the creator of that object.’ Some may say ‘the producer’ while others may say ‘the manufacturer.’ What ever answer the person gives, keep it in your mind, the answer will always be either the creator, the producer, the manufacturer or some what of the same meaning, i.e. the person who has made it or created it. Don’t grapple with words, whatever answer he gives, the meaning will be same, therefore accept it.

SCIENTIFIC FACTS MENTIONED IN THE QUR’AN: for details on this subject please refer to my book, ‘THE QUR’AN AND MODERN SCIENCE – COMPATIBLE OR INCOMPATIBLE?


THEORY OF PROBABILITY


In mathematics there is a theory known as ‘Theory of Probability’. If you have two options, out of which one is right, and one is wrong, the chances that you will chose the right one is half, i.e. one out of the two will be correct. You have 50% chances of being correct. Similarly if you toss a coin the chances that your guess will be correct is 50% (1 out of 2) i.e. 1/2. If you toss a coin the second time, the chances that you will be correct in the second toss is again 50% i.e. half. But the chances that you will be correct in both the tosses is half multiplied by half (1/2 x 1/2) which is equal to 1/4 i.e. 50% of 50% which is equal to 25%. If you toss a coin the third time, chances that you will be correct all three times is (1/2 x 1/2 x 1/2) that is 1/8 or 50% of 50% of 50% that is 12½%.

A dice has got six sides. If you throw a dice and guess any number between 1 to 6, the chances that your guess will be correct is 1/6. If you throw the dice the second time, the chances that your guess will be correct in both the throws is (1/6 x 1/6) which is equal to 1/36. If you throw the dice the third time, the chances that all your three guesses are correct is (1/6 x 1/6 x 1/6) is equal to 1/216 that is less than 0.5 %.

Let us apply this theory of probability to the Qur’an, and assume that a person has guessed all the information that is mentioned in the Qur’an which was unknown at that time. Let us discuss the probability of all the guesses being simultaneously correct.

At the time when the Qur’an was revealed, people thought the world was flat, there are several other options for the shape of the earth. It could be triangular, it could be quadrangular, pentagonal, hexagonal, heptagonal, octagonal, spherical, etc. Lets assume there are about 30 different options for the shape of the earth. The Qur’an rightly says it is spherical, if it was a guess the chances of the guess being correct is 1/30.

The light of the moon can be its own light or a reflected light. The Qur’an rightly says it is a reflected light. If it is a guess, the chances that it will be correct is 1/2 and the probability that both the guesses i.e the earth is spherical and the light of the moon is reflected light is 1/30 x 1/2 = 1/60.

Further, the Qur’an also mentions every living thing is made of water. Every living thing can be made up of either wood, stone, copper, aluminum, steel, silver, gold, oxygen, nitrogen, hydrogen, oil, water, cement, concrete, etc. The options are say about 10,000. The Qur’an rightly says that everything is made up of water. If it is a guess, the chances that it will be correct is 1/10,000 and the probability of all the three guesses i.e. the earth is spherical, light of moon is reflected light and everything is created from water being correct is 1/30 x 1/2 x 1/10,000 = 1/60,000 which is equal to about .0017%.



The Qur’an speaks about hundreds of things that were not known to men at the time of its revelation. Only in three options the result is .0017%. I leave it upto you, to work out the probability if all the hundreds of the unknown facts were guesses, the chances of all of them being correct guesses simultaneously and there being not a single wrong guess. It is beyond human capacity to make all correct guesses without a single mistake, which itself is sufficient to prove to a logical person that the origin of the Qur’an is Divine.


CREATOR IS THE AUTHOR OF THE QUR’AN


The only logical answer to the question as to who could have mentioned all these scientific facts 1400 years ago before they were discovered, is exactly the same answer initially given by the atheist or any person, to the question who will be the first person who will be able to tell the mechanism of the unknown object. It is the ‘CREATOR’, the producer, the Manufacturer of the whole universe and its contents. In the English language He is ‘God’, or more appropriate in the Arabic language, ‘ALLAH’.


QUR’AN IS A BOOK OF SIGNS AND NOT SCIENCE


Let me remind you that the Qur’an is not a book of Science, ‘S-C-I-E-N-C-E’ but a book of Signs ‘S-I-G-N-S’ i.e. a book of ayaats. The Qur’an contains more than 6,000 ayaats, i.e. ‘signs’, out of which more than a thousand speak about Science. I am not trying to prove that the Qur’an is the word of God using scientific knowledge as a yard stick because any yardstick is supposed to be more superior than what is being checked or verified. For us Muslims the Qur’an is the Furqan i.e. criteria to judge right from wrong and the ultimate yardstick which is more superior to scientific knowledge.

But for an educated man who is an atheist, scientific knowledge is the ultimate test which he believes in. We do know that science many a times takes ‘U’ turns, therefore I have restricted the examples only to scientific facts which have sufficient proof and evidence and not scientific theories based on assumptions. Using the ultimate yardstick of the atheist, I am trying to prove to him that the Qur’an is the word of God and it contains the scientific knowledge which is his yardstick which was discovered recently, while the Qur’an was revealed 1400 year ago. At the end of the discussion, we both come to the same conclusion that God though superior to science, is not incompatible with it.


SCIENCE IS ELIMINATING MODELS OF GOD BUT NOT GOD


Francis Bacon, the famous philosopher, has rightly said that a little knowledge of science makes man an atheist, but an in-depth study of science makes him a believer in God. Scientists today are eliminating models of God, but they are not eliminating God. If you translate this into Arabic, it is La illaha illal la, There is no god, (god with a small ‘g’ that is fake god) but God (with a capital ‘G’).

Surah Fussilat:

"Soon We will show them our signs in the (farthest) regions (of the earth), and in their own souls, until it becomes manifest to them that this is the Truth. Is it not enough that thy Lord doth witness all things?"

[Al-Quran 41:53]

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@Olaadegbu: « #43 on: Today at 01:12:04 PM »

It is not just that we are winning but Jesus has won the battle on the cross of Calvarly and has given us the victory over all the works of the devil and made us more than conquerors in Christ.

This reminds me of Pryor's comic skit of Jesus saying to an ordinary man "man, am tired, gt me down from the cross". Isthat a Lord who cant get himself down from the cross where he was hung? It reminds me of the big Baal who cant do a simple think like talk to defend his honor. Jesus cant even get himself down to defend himslf. Some God.


[Quote]The moment a mad man realises the state of his sanity he will be on the path of recovery as they say. If the Son of God makes you free you shall be free indeed.[/quote]Only mad minds will say there is no God, or there are Gods, or God has a son like we humans do have as progeny.

Mankind, regardless of their cultural background have the intuition that there is a God, the question is that do they know Him? Whatever name we choose to call God in our language do we really know who Him? Is He knowable and approachable? God made Himself known to man through Abraham and his seed. Salvation is of the Jews. The revelation of the Person of God has been given to us through the Jews from which you get the Holy Scriptures and our Lord Jesus Christ. Any other god is beside the point.

Before Abraham, Noah was. Noah was a prophet of his Creator. Many were saved from the flood in his leadership. Neither Abraham nor Noah was Jew. Mad mind thinks in a manner of dilution. Neither the Holy Scriptures nor Jesus is unchanging; The holy scriptures are for ever going under versions, revisions, editions, and Jesus cant even define himself enough that his primary followers knew who he was. He says he was a son of man, you call him son of God, even begotten. Jesus says he is a prophet, you deny him that, too. If Jesus was God, then explain to us why he cried out "My God, my God, forsaken me"? Please should he not have said "myself" or my partner? Live in your ignorance, sir. Its good for you. Hell is looking for fuel for itself. Man is it.

They may have a word for the Creator but that does not mean that they know Him.

The same applies to Yahweh or Jehovah or the fake son whose mother is not the wife of the father, or the holy ghost that is an errant entity, a gofer. Proof, the covenant, old or new with Jews or Christians, does not prevent going to Hell and therefore cant guaranty going to paradise. If it does, then the God that you people worship is not a fair God, discriminating based on covenant and not on obedience in worship and doing good deeds, avoiding evil deeds.

It is a privilege for you to put me on the side of my Saviour and Lord, and this says so much about the lip service you guys pay by saying that Jesus is one of your respected prophets. No one disputes the fact that Cat Stevens is talking about his god, Allah but it is definitely not the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob that he was talking about.

This s fool's gold mentality. Jesus as Savior and Lord is in the same manner like the aborishas have theirs in their god(s). Cat Stevens is a better englishman tan you, and his forefathers brought Christianity to you, as another way to get what you have; your blood, sweat, land, minerals, etc. Cat Stevens knows about God more than gods. You as a yorubaman knows about gods and this is your reaon that you are still worshipping 3, instead of a COMPLETE ONE.

I am not disputing that your ilah is not the god whom you worship and I agree that we worship a triune God of whom you are ignorant about. If you could listen to what Jesus said that "Salvation is of the Jews" you would have realised that there is no other name given under heaven by which we could be saved except the name of Yeshua of whom you have no language to call him in your qur'an, almost all if not all of your so called prophets in your book are Jews I wonder what the rest of he Arabic prophets were doing.

Mr. Olaadegbu, you are probably old Ondo state, so giv me the name of Yeshua in Yoruba language. Ask a German what he calls Yeshua in his Vaderland language? Ask a slavic what he cals Yeshua in his native tongue? Arab Chrisians call Yeshua Isa in Arabic Bible? Yes. I hope you do have something between the ears? Thinking is good for the heart. Were the peopl who got saved in the vessel of Noah, and died as believers know who Yeshua was? The answer is No. Apply the same to the people saved under Lot, Moses, etc. Or are you arguing that Yeshua was known by any of these generations which lived under the sun? Or was David the killer of Goliat saved by Jesus? And ONLY ONE COMPLETE GOD is necessary. The same way only one complete Prophet is necessary to guide man to all things, what he hears from his Creator he shall speak, reminding and correcting all the lies said by man about Jesus, giving clear explanations of how each is a lie, abiding forever in a Book preserved and guaranteed to be safe vouched by God Almighty, while every miracle performed by man perished, the Book preserved by God remain Intact. The Arab got the best and the only one Muhammad (AS), the last of all Prophet and the everlasting Messenger of his Creator. Read the Quran which clearly tells of the oath taken from all messengers and prophets before him, Jesus included who were told, just in case, puting them on their guards about the unknown future that if this "Messenger" came in their time, they must support his mission. Read hadith of Muhammad which says if Musa were to be alive now that am preaching he will follow me as a follower the moment he hears of my ministry. Why and how will he know? The why is tht of the Oath. The how is that Muhammad is known in the OT. The same will apply to Jesus who told his companions about the Comforter.

Why not start by giving us the arabic name of Esau who cannot be traced in your qur'an?

Quran and Bible are not Sister Books. Just like Luqman is not in the Bible, so is Esau, Esther, and others in the Bible are not in the Quran.

The heart of the human problem is the problem of the human heart

The hert of the matter is lost on you; how is it that not all tha Jesus said are verifiable, even after the fact? Take the qualitis of the Comforter for example? Where is the record of the Comforter as the Holy Ghost? Read your Bible, again.

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@frosbel,

God bless you for the expositon in the clips posted. We can only hope and pray that their eyes that have been blinded will be opened to the deception that they have been indoctrinated with so that they can see the light of the gospel.

This former Islamic fundamentalist can tell you the difference between the true God and the allah. Listen to his revelation.

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@Olaadegbu: What is the reason God is going to bless Frosbel? And which God? Could it be God the father? Or could it be God the Holy spirit? Or could it be God the son? You need to answer this one, since I said to you Esau and Esther and others are not in the Quran, just like Luqman or Zaid is not in the Bible, considering that Quran is not a sister Book to Bible.

nopuqeater:

@Olaadegbu: What is the reason God is going to bless Frosbel? And which God? Could it be God the father? Or could it be God the Holy spirit? Or could it be God the son? You need to answer this one, since I said to you Esau and Esther and others are not in the Quran, just like Luqman or Zaid is not in the Bible, considering that Quran is not a sister Book to Bible.

Frosbel is already blessed by the triune God and there is nothing you can do about that except you repent and believe as your Afshin in the clip posted earlier has done.

Esau means Eesa in the arabic language which was dubiously portrayed to be Jesus in your qur'an.  If you are looking for the name of Jesus in your qur'an it cannot be found because His name is Yeshua and that name causes pandemonium in the gates of hell.

@Olaadegbu: « #57 on: Today at 01:28:22 PM »

Quote from: nopuqeater on Today at 01:12:53 PM
@Olaadegbu: What is the reason God is going to bless Frosbel? And which God? Could it be God the father? Or could it be God the Holy spirit? Or could it be God the son? You need to answer this one, since I said to you Esau and Esther and others are not in the Quran, just like Luqman or Zaid is not in the Bible, considering that Quran is not a sister Book to Bible.

Frosbel is already blessed by the triune God and there is nothing you can do about that except you repent and believe as your Afshin in the clip posted earlier has done.

You failed question 101, from me above. Did I ask for triune God? Whats a triune God anyway, and where can we find "HIM" written? Whats his book and is he different from God the son? Is he different from God the holy spirit? Is he different from God the father? Is he mentioned in the Bible" So show us; where is the verse? A single verse saying TRIUNE GOD is enough to shut me up. If you cant, then you are an idol worshipper, confused in your ignorance.

Esau means Eesa in the arabic language which was dubiously portrayed to be Jesus in your qur'an. If you are looking for the name of Jesus in your qur'an it cannot be found because His name is Yeshua and that name causes pandemonium in the gates of hell.

The bolded can only occur in your mind. Alhamdulillah, Allah showed me this very name "Esau" this morning as I was researching about "Prophet Job", the excerpt of my finding is below, and it includes something about Esau: This should shut you up. Esau is different from Essa.

Story of Prophet Ayoub/Job (pbuh)

Ibn Ishaaq stated that he was a man of Rum. His name was Job, Ibn Mose, Ibn Razeh, Ibn Esau, Ibn Isaac (pbuh), Ibn Abraham (pbuh). Someone else said he was Job, Ibn Mose, Ibn Rimil, Ibn Esau, Ibn Isaac, Ibn Jacob. There have also been other statements on his lineage. Ibn Asaker narrated that his mother was a daughter of Lot (pbuh). It was said, also that his father was one who believed in Abraham (pbuh) when he was cast into the fire.

The first opinion is the most plausible, because he was a descendant of Abraham's offspring as Allah Almighty declared: "That was Our proof which We gave Abraham against his people. We raise whom We will in degrees. Certainly your Lord is All-Wise, All Knowing. And We bestowed upon him Isaac and Jacob, each of them We guided and before him, We guided Noah, and among his progeny David, Solomon, Job, Joseph, Moses, and Aaron. Thus do We reward the good doers. (Ch 6:83-84)

Allah the Almighty praised His worshipper Job in His Glorious Quran: Truly! We found him patient. How excellent a slave! Verily, he was ever oft returning in repentance to Us! (Ch 38:44)

Someone else said he was Job, Ibn Mose, Ibn Rimil, Ibn Esau, Ibn Isaac, Ibn Jacob. I wanted to write Ibrahim instead of Jacob

The saying that religion is the opium of the people is false.
It should be religion is far more deadly than opium, it is the most potent drug ever concocted by man, once you are hooked there is not escape. At least with opium you can seek help in a drug rehabilitation program. With religion your mind stand little chance of being detoxified.

nopuqeater:

Someone else said he was Job, Ibn Mose, Ibn Rimil, Ibn Esau, Ibn Isaac, Ibn Jacob. I wanted to write Ibrahim instead of Jacob

What is all this that you are copying and pasting.

Please explain in your own words, thanks.  

nopuqeater:

Ibn Ishaaq stated that he was a man of Rum. [b]His name was Job, Ibn Mose, Ibn Razeh, Ibn Esau, Ibn Isaac (pbuh), Ibn Abraham (pbuh).

this makes no sense . . .

Job was the son of Moses who was the son of Razeh who was the son of Esau? Did Esau have any son called Moses? Moses was NOT a jewish name, it was actually EGYPTIAN! Job was NEVER the great grandson of Esua, the biblical Job was born thousands of yrs AFTER Esau's death.

Ayoub is sometimes the arabic name for Jacob NOT Job. That in itself will render nopuqeater's comments entirely false as Jacob was the brother of Esau NOT his great grandson.

nopuqeater:

@Olaadegbu: « #57 on: Today at 01:28:22 PM » You failed question 101, from me above. Did I ask for triune God? Whats a triune God anyway, and where can we find "HIM" written? Whats his book and is he different from God the son? Is he different from God the holy spirit? Is he different from God the father? Is he mentioned in the Bible" So show us; where is the verse? A single verse saying TRIUNE GOD is enough to shut me up. If you cant, then you are an idol worshipper, confused in your ignorance.

Some cults have claimed the doctrine of the Trinity is rooted in ancient paganism in Babylon and Assyria. In response, the Babylonians and Assyrians believed in triads of gods who headed up a pantheon of many other gods. These triads constituted three separate gods (polytheism), which is utterly different from the doctrine of Trinity that maintains that there is only one God (monotheism) with three person within the one Godhead. And by the way who are the We that your allah is referring to, are they more than one?

nopuqeater:

The bolded can only occur in your mind. Alhamdulillah, Allah showed me this very name "Esau" this morning as I was researching about "Prophet Job", the excerpt of my finding is below, and it includes something about Esau: This should shut you up. Esau is different from Essa.

Story of Prophet Ayoub/Job (pbuh)

Ibn Ishaaq stated that he was a man of Rum. His name was Job, Ibn Mose, Ibn Razeh, Ibn Esau, Ibn Isaac (pbuh), Ibn Abraham (pbuh). Someone else said he was Job, Ibn Mose, Ibn Rimil, Ibn Esau, Ibn Isaac, Ibn Jacob. There have also been other statements on his lineage. Ibn Asaker narrated that his mother was a daughter of Lot (pbuh). It was said, also that his father was one who believed in Abraham (pbuh) when he was cast into the fire.

Hello o! You have not proved to me that the name Esau is in your qur'an all that you posted is not in the qur'an is it? Can you tell me why those names are not written in arabic or are you trying to tell me that is how it is written in your holy books? Why has allah chosen to send the Jews after the lineage of Abraham, what happened to the descendants of Ishmael. What happened to the arabs?

nopuqeater:

The first opinion is the most plausible, because he was a descendant of Abraham's offspring as Allah Almighty declared: "That was Our proof which We gave Abraham against his people. We raise whom We will in degrees. Certainly your Lord is All-Wise, All Knowing. And We bestowed upon him Isaac and Jacob, each of them We guided and before him, We guided Noah, and among his progeny David, Solomon, Job, Joseph, Moses, and Aaron. Thus do We reward the good doers. (Ch 6:83-84)

Allah the Almighty praised His worshipper Job in His Glorious Quran: Truly! We found him patient. How excellent a slave! Verily, he was ever oft returning in repentance to Us! (Ch 38:44)

If you are to plagiarise the characters and stories in the Bible it is not asking too much if we ask that you get it right. What is is about the "We" ascribed to your allah, is he three in one as well, or is he impersonating? At least you can see that there is nothing like Esau in your qur'an which means Eesa in arabic.