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Re: Should Your Subordinate's Salary Be Higher Than Yours For Any Reason? by 12submarine(m): 9:12am On Feb 14, 2018
PrecisionFx:


See this mad man oo, Did I tell u leave what ur doing in Lagos Geregu gas turbine has a life span of around 25 years, u have time to check it out on ur own turf.......so within the next many months u can simply go there so that the lie will stop being an online lie.

And who says its not possible for u to visit kogi state Is kogi in Europe Didn't one guy trek from that ur Lagos, passed thru kogi and arrived in Abuja gringrin.


I've done all I'm suppised to do.

Nice day.
You can call me any name but I'm not buying lies. Kogi is not in Europe but I can't leave what I'm doing to start going to kogi just to comfirm a lie from one anonymous nairaland liar. You can as well go to dangote flour mill and ask from one Mr korede Ahmed to comfirm if I am lying. Trash.
Re: Should Your Subordinate's Salary Be Higher Than Yours For Any Reason? by Amhappy(f): 9:16am On Feb 14, 2018
It happens all the time in poor structured organization (one man business) and it's sad. Most times that subordinate of yours knows and even disrespects you. Money is powerful.
I worked for a company who recruited someone who is grossly incompetent and was paying him 5times what they were paying the incumbent. The guy messed them up. The guy has sweet mouth sha.
Don't leave until you are sure of the new place work conditions . Northeast is a very dangerous place to work. So just a better salary is not enough.
Re: Should Your Subordinate's Salary Be Higher Than Yours For Any Reason? by Funkybabee(f): 9:39am On Feb 14, 2018
I think what you need is patience and a little matter of time,wait till 6 months and renegotiate with ur employer their next action will determine what u will do then
Re: Should Your Subordinate's Salary Be Higher Than Yours For Any Reason? by DonnyE(m): 9:47am On Feb 14, 2018
mokaflex:
That's a norm in Globacom. Ask any one with 0805557**** number series.
Hey bros, the isssue is very annoying..Perhaps we can talk?4204
Re: Should Your Subordinate's Salary Be Higher Than Yours For Any Reason? by texazzpete(m): 9:48am On Feb 14, 2018
PrecisionFx:




This happens every time in northern Nigeria, in both government firms n private firms.

In NIPP (Geregu gas turbine 2), I know a Secretary(A northerner) to one of the oga kpatakpata who has an NCE in Islamic studies and he earns far more than a southerner who is ''Chief" Engineer in the plant.


I smell lies.
Re: Should Your Subordinate's Salary Be Higher Than Yours For Any Reason? by jnfoage: 9:53am On Feb 14, 2018
PrecisionFx:




This happens every time in northern Nigeria, in both government firms n private firms.

In NIPP (Geregu gas turbine 2), I know a Secretary(A northerner) to one of the oga kpatakpata who has an NCE in Islamic studies and he earns far more than a southerner who is ''Chief" Engineer in the plant.

Keep lying to yourself.

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Re: Should Your Subordinate's Salary Be Higher Than Yours For Any Reason? by idu1(m): 9:55am On Feb 14, 2018
Funkybabee:
I think what you need is patience and a little matter of time,wait till 6 months and renegotiate with ur employer their next action will determine what u will do then
he don already carry anger resigned. He's like me very impatient.

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Re: Should Your Subordinate's Salary Be Higher Than Yours For Any Reason? by Funkybabee(f): 10:20am On Feb 14, 2018
idu1:
he don already carry anger resigned. He's like me very impatient.



Eayah!!!! Patience is important sometimes
Re: Should Your Subordinate's Salary Be Higher Than Yours For Any Reason? by Nobody: 10:31am On Feb 14, 2018
kellykessy:


I disagree with you. The Company is unethical in their dealings. If you say you got a scale, be saying the truth. The guy evidently knows his worth, if he doesn't get it here, he will get it elsewhere. All he needs to do is not appear desperate and go for a salary that you want.

LOL. Even in almighty Stanbic Bank, you can earn more than your Supervisor. Pay is not necessarily a function of who is Manager, but negotiating power, scarcity of skill-set (the scarcer, the better), and employment terms.

There is a good reason why Staff employed on fixed tenure basis earn more: the company is guaranteed that they would perform xx tasks within their time at the firm, as opposed to a permanent Staff, who may, or may not continue to increase his/her value addition to the firm over time.

In several scenarios in service industries, your subordinate would earn more money than you: if you work in Insurance, and your subordinate is a certified actuarial (most are hired from outside Nigeria by the way), he would earn more money than you; you are an IT Manager, and your subordinate is a certified SAP guy on a contract basis, responsible for deploying the ERP across your firm, he would earn more money than you. etc.
Re: Should Your Subordinate's Salary Be Higher Than Yours For Any Reason? by iguita: 10:34am On Feb 14, 2018
I think you should be glad you have access to this info. Your MD is a good person for not collecting your resignation. Nobody is indispensable. If you resign,
dude will fill your role, get a higher salary (migrating from contract to full staff) and they will employ someone to assist him resulting to lower expense for the company. For the guy to command such salary, he may even be better than you are and may qualify for the office you occupy. Advice? Like others gave advised, stay put. At least you are sure of very good salary increment in 6 months. Remember that if they were going to increase your salary, it will be about 20% but now, you can command 50% to 60% since your subordinate earns 40% more than you. Secondly, up your game so that you can negotiate in six months.
Sudokudon:

I got this job six months ago in the Northeastern part of the country. During the recruitment process, the recruiter told me the salary range for the job, which I was pleased with. I went for the interview and got the job within the specified salary range. A month after, the firm thought they needed someone to assist me. They found one, and he insisted he cannot earn less than a certain amount which is about 40% higher than my take home pay and this dragged for a while before they agreed to employ him but on a contract basis of one year. Although, he will not be entitled to certain benefits I am entitled to, yet, his net pay is still more than my gross salary.

When the firm saw that I got to know, the HR invited me for an extensive meeting, trying to pacify me. He told me he is just to work for a year and they might either not renew his contract or increase mine if they renew his. That our salary was based on negotiation and was still within the range of what the company can pay. Unfortunately, salary can only be reviewed once in 6 months.

My question is:

1. Can negotiations be arbitrary without a range by the company?

2. Can the firm, just because they want to recruit someone who is best fit for a role, pay the person higher than his/her boss?

3. Why should a company be using your last pay as a basis of what they want to pay instead of solely their own capacity to pay?

I submitted my resignation letter yesterday because I was finding it difficult working with him and because the issue keep haunting me. The MD refused to collect it though, but I am not looking back, I have moved on. I have gotten another offer in principle and I will be meeting with them next week for salary negotiation. I am thinking of the best possible way of negotiation, so that I won't be shortchanged again.

HR guys in the house

Cc: Jarus
Re: Should Your Subordinate's Salary Be Higher Than Yours For Any Reason? by nwaimoroseyaho: 10:52am On Feb 14, 2018
So what actually is your problem? you have already submitted your resignation letter without finding out the other company's pay. So if they pay you an amount lower than your current pay would you accept?.
Blame yourself for not having a bargaining power. BTW what makes you think that you're better than your assistant.
I wish they will even replace you with him.
Re: Should Your Subordinate's Salary Be Higher Than Yours For Any Reason? by newslifeop: 11:43am On Feb 14, 2018
No
Re: Should Your Subordinate's Salary Be Higher Than Yours For Any Reason? by wehdone(m): 12:01pm On Feb 14, 2018
DonnyE:
Hey bros, the isssue is very annoying..Perhaps we can talk?4204
Nice chat there... We'll talk later. Stay safe.
Re: Should Your Subordinate's Salary Be Higher Than Yours For Any Reason? by Ucheamani(m): 12:09pm On Feb 14, 2018
Where I worked before, a guy 3 years my junior from the same school and faculty earns way above me and had an official car. I did not begrudge him because I get what I bargained for. It pays to mind your business in all matters.
Re: Should Your Subordinate's Salary Be Higher Than Yours For Any Reason? by TheAlchemist: 12:30pm On Feb 14, 2018
Ucheamani:
Where I worked before, a guy 3 years my junior from the same school and faculty earns way above me and had an official car. I did not begrudge him because I get what I bargained for. It pays to mind your business in all matters.
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I don't blame you given the unemployment statistics in Nigeria. if you were to be living in a society with low level of unemployment like Canada, you would not think twice before forwarding your resignation letter.
Re: Should Your Subordinate's Salary Be Higher Than Yours For Any Reason? by Youngzedd(m): 12:58pm On Feb 14, 2018
PrecisionFx:





U forgot ur sense somewhere.

What a pained soul. I am not responsible to your suffering.
Re: Should Your Subordinate's Salary Be Higher Than Yours For Any Reason? by Sudokudon: 1:02pm On Feb 14, 2018
Jarus:


Arbitrary negotiations happen all over the world. And yes, because he's a contract (not entitled to other benefits), there is a good case for him.


Thanks for that piece. What makes it worse is that the conflict was getting too often. He was planted there briefly by one of the board members and he wasn't that skilled in that line and yet always wanting to have the final say over any issue, yet expect me to take full responsibilities.
Re: Should Your Subordinate's Salary Be Higher Than Yours For Any Reason? by Sudokudon: 1:08pm On Feb 14, 2018
LegitBoy:
I'm sorry to say this but you took the most stupid decision there, his salary is haunting you? Is it the 6months that will kill you? People should stop bothering themselves with frivolities if you have a career to build.

But what do I know? You're probably a rich kid who can get a job at will so no point thinking about unemployment.

You know I took the most stupid decision because you are my father or you know all the details? Job satisfaction comes first for me before any other thing. What's the basis of waiting impatiently till month end just for salary? 8 years ago, when I started my career, it could have been the most stupid decision, not now. Even if I don't get a full time job, I will get consultancy work. And if you read it well, money was the secondary reason, not the first, otherwise, I wouldn't have stayed 5 more months. Oversabi.
Re: Should Your Subordinate's Salary Be Higher Than Yours For Any Reason? by Sudokudon: 1:13pm On Feb 14, 2018
nams77:
: Your decision to quit was too sudden and very hasty. You have done what's in your mind so why question? A bird at hand....? Your best course of action, in my view, would have been to wait out and see. Your actions came off, somehow too immature. The dude has now taken over your position. The company is not at fault. The other dude saw himself very highly endowed and stuck to his gun. Taking this route is a very dangerous rope. Bargain too low, and you get pennies,price your self too high? You price your self out of the job, with your potential employer seeing you as a greedy fellow.

I had same encounter years back. This particular dude was earning exact same wage with me and I was the manager. He was even earning more than my supervisor, though he was third in line. It happened this way because his field was hard to come by and the company has past the deadline for kickoff so they just agreed to take him to avoid further delay.
How I resolved it when I got to know? I had a talk with the consultant and the MD and my salary was topped.
Best of luck sir


I understood we were interviewed for the same job and came a distant 4th. That is not his core field, has lesser experience also.

I have always shot myself in the foot bargaining for salary. I think I need a training on that lol
Re: Should Your Subordinate's Salary Be Higher Than Yours For Any Reason? by Sudokudon: 1:29pm On Feb 14, 2018
9japrof:
Without mincing words here, you are the one stupid and insecure.

From your story, you agreed your present pay during your interview without knowing your worth, the company never enforced the pay on you.

Your surbodinate came along and knew his value, he insisted on a pay he thought he is worth(Nigga knows his onions) and after much haggling, the company is paying him his worth.

Now your bad belle self on knowing what transpired is now angry, directing your anger at the wrong individual(management and your surbodinate) while the anger should have been directed at yourself for being stupid, naive and not knowing your worth. Your judgement is now clouded with bitterness that you don't see the bigger picture, he is a contract staff, a less secure job that can be terminated at will, you agreed that he is not entitled to some benefits you do have so what is forking wrong with you man.

Listen the grass ain't always greener on the other side, you are quitting your job now, how sure the same scenario wouldn't play out in your next work place or will you be changing jobs, anyway there are plenty of job opportunities in the Northeast.

What do u suggest? Use the current situation to renegotiate your contract in principle, make them sign a contract clause that stipulates that your salary must be reviewed upwards if a surbodinate is higher than your present pay.

Anyway what do I know

It is not stupidity or insecurity. It was one of the top management staff that informed me and I didn't have problem with it. The main challenge was with work not necessarily the pay. I would have waited a year if it was just about the pay. You can imagine the MD saying both of us should be reporting to him. The same work, duplicity of work, different approach to issues. There are four aspects of the work, he is good and better in one and that's the reason they employed him and I have exclusively made him.in charge of it, I only advise. But the other three where he doesn't even have idea of, he will always be coming with conflicting issues and the full responsibilities come to you. My reason for resignation is deeper. And next time, you don't judge my intentions if you haven't worked I. my shoes.
Re: Should Your Subordinate's Salary Be Higher Than Yours For Any Reason? by Sudokudon: 1:35pm On Feb 14, 2018
nwaimoroseyaho:
So what actually is your problem? you have already submitted your resignation letter without finding out the other company's pay. So if they pay you an amount lower than your current pay would you accept?.
Blame yourself for not having a bargaining power. BTW what makes you think that you're better than your assistant.
I wish they will even replace you with him.
Re: Should Your Subordinate's Salary Be Higher Than Yours For Any Reason? by Sudokudon: 1:37pm On Feb 14, 2018
nwaimoroseyaho:
So what actually is your problem? you have already submitted your resignation letter without finding out the other company's pay. So if they pay you an amount lower than your current pay would you accept?.
Blame yourself for not having a bargaining power. BTW what makes you think that you're better than your assistant.
I wish they will even replace you with him.

Let them replace me with him now? what's the big deal? Nobody is irreplaceable but you don't buy experience in market. You can't compare my 8 years experience with his 4 years non-relevant experience to the role.
Re: Should Your Subordinate's Salary Be Higher Than Yours For Any Reason? by Sudokudon: 1:46pm On Feb 14, 2018
12submarine:
If the company ask you to swap with the guy both in contract and renumeration, will you agree? Nonsense.


Not only nonsense, you didn't put the ingredients? Why will I swap with him when the reason I was brought in was to fix the challenge the firm was facing. We were also interviewed for the same job and he came fourth. So, are you saying I should have preferred to be fourth than first? Where is your brain? Nonsensical ingredient lol
Re: Should Your Subordinate's Salary Be Higher Than Yours For Any Reason? by Nobody: 3:44pm On Feb 14, 2018
12submarine:

You can call me any name but I'm not buying lies. Kogi is not in Europe but I can't leave what I'm doing to start going to kogi just to comfirm a lie from one anonymous nairaland liar. You can as well go to dangote flour mill and ask from one Mr korede Ahmed to comfirm if I am lying. Trash.


I believe what u said so I don't need to check dangote flour mill for confirmation.
Re: Should Your Subordinate's Salary Be Higher Than Yours For Any Reason? by Nobody: 3:45pm On Feb 14, 2018
texazzpete:


I smell lies.



Call lie Mohammed for confirmation.
Re: Should Your Subordinate's Salary Be Higher Than Yours For Any Reason? by Nobody: 3:46pm On Feb 14, 2018
Youngzedd:


What a pained soul. I am not responsible to your suffering.



Yorubas like using the word "Pained"
Re: Should Your Subordinate's Salary Be Higher Than Yours For Any Reason? by Nobody: 3:47pm On Feb 14, 2018
jnfoage:

Keep lying to yourself.




I think ur a Hausa person.grin




Meanwhile respect Hitler.
Re: Should Your Subordinate's Salary Be Higher Than Yours For Any Reason? by 12submarine(m): 3:48pm On Feb 14, 2018
PrecisionFx:



I believe what u said so I don't need to check dangote flour mill for confirmation.
Okay, I also believe yours, I don't need to start going to kogi state in search of one Engr Bassey Efa to comfirm that an NCE holder in Arabic studies who is a Secretary earns much higher than the chief engineer in a power generation company because the NCE holder is a northerner while the chief engineer is a southerner. grin
Re: Should Your Subordinate's Salary Be Higher Than Yours For Any Reason? by jnfoage: 3:59pm On Feb 14, 2018
PrecisionFx:





I think ur a Hausa person.grin




Meanwhile respect Hitler.
I am Hausa, but this your lie is something else. How did you manage to say it without getting choked?

I respect Hitler of course, are you a German? Is Hitler a liar? Haba, small small na.

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Re: Should Your Subordinate's Salary Be Higher Than Yours For Any Reason? by Nobody: 4:20pm On Feb 14, 2018
jnfoage:

I am Hausa, but this your lie is something else. How did you manage to say it without getting choked?

I respect Hitler of course, are you a German? Is Hitler a liar? Haba, small small na.

Maybe Hausa people choke to any truth that stands against them.grin.
Re: Should Your Subordinate's Salary Be Higher Than Yours For Any Reason? by Nobody: 4:20pm On Feb 14, 2018
12submarine:

Okay, I also believe yours, I don't need to start going to kogi state in search of one Engr Bassey Efa to comfirm that an NCE holder in Arabic studies who is a Secretary earns much higher than the chief engineer in a power generation company because the NCE holder is a northerner while the chief engineer is a southerner. grin

U have agreed.
Cool.
Nice day.
Re: Should Your Subordinate's Salary Be Higher Than Yours For Any Reason? by mokaflex(m): 4:22pm On Feb 14, 2018
DonnyE:

Hey bros, the isssue is very annoying..Perhaps we can talk?4204
I dropped mine 5422 over two years ago. I greet you bro.

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