bilulu:

thanks bro..... but at the end I'll loose from both end cuz I'll still go home wen d contract ends. thanks

Oga ade listen to me and listen carefully. Don't let anyone bobo u On this platform talking peace and what not E dey vex me.


U work for people who don't honour your contract and you got a divine intervention and God looked into your matter and answered you. I'm sure all the while when u knew u were underpaid, u cried deep down in your heart. Now your prayer has been answered you are telling stories of returning your own money

This matter dey vex me. To hell with Company A

See in life, you must learn to be able to bite the bullet. Stop being cowardly and stand for your right regardless. I can't count how many times I have done this and it has actually paid off.


If I were in your shoes, I won't care if sack later comes as far as I don't allow one rubbish company A cheats me. I'm OK .


I noticed most Nigerian workers are always scared of losing their job, hence in the process they take rubbish and take trash from employers. That stuff dey always vex me like craze


Stand your ground even if you will lose your job. Forget about that and let people know u don't take shit. In fact they won't near u, when they take their shits to others .


And I tell u. If u continue like this. Such attitude won't let u go far. . Learn to be a MAN . your family and woman will be proud of you.

It all depends on the salary stipulated in your contract with firm A.

Case 1
If your contract with firm A is say,100k and they are giving you 100k, then you don't have a case.

Case2
If your contract with firm Ais 100k, and you are being paid 80k. Then you have a case.

Then again if you can live with the 80k, then do it.


If you can prove the discrepancy in pay to firm B and he is willing to retain you, work something out


Where case 2 is the scenario,

See if it can legally render the contract with firm A invalid. Then enjoy your stay with firm B if it can

bilulu:
Good morning all,

I work as a third party in an organization (firm A employed me to work for firm B). After the interview by firm A I was posted to firm B to work and I was told by firm A how much my salary is. I was happy that I have gotten a place to always resume at though the salary wasn't much.

After working in firm B for about 4 months I realised that firm A have been under paying me to the tune of almost 20,000 per month. I was short and my morale went down. I discussed it with one of the workers in firm A and he said I should wait for a perfect time to bring it to the notice of firm B.

It continued till I got that perfect time and it was about 8 months later. the moment I brought it to their notice (firm B) the manager was furious and called the manager of firm A that they must pay me back all my arrears and also with immediate effect place me on the salary on the contract.

To cut the story short, they placed me on the salary scale of the contract and they have also paid the arrears completely.

The moment I got the alert the manager of firm A called me to come over. I got their and he was telling me how the management have agreed that I should return part of the money with plenty stories. I told him I will get back to him if to return it or not.

I am so confused on what to do. If I decide to report to the manager of firm B they might decide to cancel the contract with firm A and everybody will go home. But the manager of firm B might decide to absorb me in the next contract because of the relationship I built with him overtime.

Still viewing from this other side of firm A, if I don't return the money they might decide to sack me and give nonexisting reasons though it will still jeopardise the contract.

Please I need your advice on what to do...... should I return the money or I should keep it and report to firm B on the plans of firm A?

Nairalanders pls help.....

Bro, if you are going to somewhere important and a log of wood is blocking your way, what would you do? Give them what they want and move on.

Holamscoh:


You see them Evil People, People like u are the reason why black race will never get to paramount level. People like u are to be used to fill the Portholes we have on our bad roads.

I really d not know you or your level of exposure but it doess not sound like much.

There is no need for emotions or sentiments.

I know you lack exposure but I will try to educate you

Google ZERO HOUR CONTRACT as a starting point


This has nothing to do with being black or any other color.

Employiing people costs money .Cost of checking qualifiations,suitability etc are massive and has led too recruitment specialist companiies if you consider them evil" then they are a necessary evil.

The reality is that none of these recruitment agencies is turning 50% profit so it is not a goldmine.They create employment for those that work in the firm and they rent offices pay for electriccity security etc. It is not a picnic

It is clear you have never run a business in your life that is why you are talking all this nonsense.

How much do you think Messi or Mikel Obi's agent taake out of their weekly salaries? You think they do it out of friendship?


The recruitment agency industry in the US in 2016 had sales of $160 billion

according to this link

https://www.marketplace.org/2016/05/31/world/profits-temps


profitability in the industry is simmilar to grocery busiiness i.e. less than 6%

So expenses/running costs are high and it cannot be described as a goldmine

olatayo1984:
I really understand your plight because God just delievered me from the same situation. I worked with an international NGO which has little or no presence in Nigeria. They were given a condition that they must partner with a NIgerian organization before they could be awarded the project, which they did. The Nigerian company underpay us seriously bcs when you compare the salary of the staff of other staff from this American company, it was twice our own and we are doing the same thing. All benefits were not paid and the deduction from the agreed underpaid salary was crazy. The American company tried to make this company to compile and pay us well but they are so greedy and after a year of complain, the agreement expired and instead of them to tell us to go home, this american NGO absolved us and cancelled their contract with the Nigerian organization. i will advice you talk to someone you know in the firm B to advice you. you cant keep quite forever. i believe God to favour you.

But but but pls people why are we Blacks/Nigerians exclusive like this. Pls pls pls someone should pls explain to me what is happening sighs*

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I really d not know you or your level of exposure but it doess not sound like much.

There is no need for emotions or sentiments.

I know you lack exposure but I will try to educate you

Google ZERO HOUR CONTRACT as a starting point


This has nothing to do with being black or any other color.

Employiing people costs money .Cost of checking qualifiations,suitability etc are massive and has led too recruitment specialist companiies if you consider them evil" then they are a necessary evil.

The reality is that none of these recruitment agencies is turning 50% profit so it is not a goldmine.They create employment for those that work in the firm and they rent offices pay for electriccity security etc. It is not a picnic

It is clear you have never run a business in your life that is why you are talking all this nonsense.

How much do you think Messi or Mikel Obi's agent taake out of their weekly salaries? You think they do it out of friendship?


The recruitment agency industry in the US in 2016 had sales of $160 billion

according to this link

https://www.marketplace.org/2016/05/31/world/profits-temps

Point of correction, Agent do not earn from player wages or salaries. They only earn from their Transfer Fees. See the person claiming exposure.

bilulu:

if wat firm A did was right why did dey agreed to pay all d arrears?

They agreed to pay in order not to lose the contract with the parent company.

Bruv.. it's like this ..

(1) Return the money and you would likely be sacked at the end of the contract...

(2) Do not return the money and you would still likely be sacked at the end of the contract but you would be better off..

I would advise you don't return the money and build on the relationship you have with the firm B manager to know if you could get a more permanent place with them come end of the contract..

By the way, be proactive and start sending your CV out to other organisations as from now..

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No it depends on the agrreement.

There is no law what says goes into the agreement .It is determined by negotiation.

No two deals are the same. Especially for younger players or desperate players they do sign percentage of wages clauses and as they get bigger they may buy out the clause.

Let us not get derailed.

The issue here is that an agreement which is lawful must be honoured no matter how unfair it seems. The issues is lawfulness not fairness.

As adults we have responsibility to think well before entering agreements

It is dishonest to say because you later find out more information that you want to change the agreement unilaterally.

The normal thing is to sit down and negotiate.

Let us assume that the company takes 20000 a month how much does that company spend on running costs before declarin profit and what is the profit margin?

0monnak0da:


No it depends on the agrreement.

There is no law what says goes into the agreement .It is determined by negotiation.

No two deals are the same. Especially for younger players or desperate players they do sign percentage of wages clauses and as they get bigger they may buy out the clause.

Let us not get derailed.

The issue here is that an agreement which is lawful must be honoured no matter how unfair it seems. The issues is lawfulness not fairness.

As adults we have responsibility to think well before entering agreements

It is dishonest to say because you later find out more information that you want to change the agreement unilaterally.

The normal thing is to sit down and negotiate.

Let us assume that the company takes 20000 a month how much does that company spend on running costs before declarin profit and what is the profit margin?

it's alright i understand u now, but we should learn to be fair and honest with our brethren

Omo,....dnt return any shishi!!.....Manager at Firm B gave d higher order which was adhered to by Firm A. I neva evn had such luck wen i underwent somtin similar knowin fully well our salary (Me n my Colleagues) wer bn slashed excessively by Firm A becos it ws a contract job by Firm B. Guy, if i get dis kind luck da yr ehn, Omo, i no go return 1 kobo sef. If dem wan sack me, mk dem sack me. Na God get power. Wats He has kept ahead of u is Bigger.

You are an employee of form A on contract loan to firm B. Firm A's business is to help procure workers like you for firms like B. You do not have a contract with firm B. You are not their employee and are not directly obligated to them in terms of liabilities. Firm A as recruiter is in business because firms like B don't have the time or resources to undertake the expensive venture of running a HR dept. Firms like A survive on the difference negotiated with both employees and employers like firm B.
So, did you interview with firm A , B or both?
Did you negotiate salary with A, B or both?
From your write-up, I think firm B is interfering with firm A's business especially if firm A had negotiated and agreed on Salary with you. If firm A had structured their contract with you very well, you are not supposed to contact firm B about anything as they are NOT your employer. You are supposed to make your reports or requests through your employer -firm A. If firm B had mistreated you, firm A is supposed to be there to defend you based on labor laws.
So now that your investigations have put both firms at loggerheads and has taken commission that was earned by firm A for supplying worker (YOU) to firm B, I think you should let them have their commission as long as they are paying you what was agreed. Firm A is your employer and not firm B. Let them have their commission.

Holamscoh:


it's alright i understand u now, but we should learn to be fair and honest with our brethren

How can you talk about fairness with a limited knowledge of the faacts.

Rather we should learn to keep an open mind, get all the facts before forming opinions.


Every business operates on a margin of profit which can be measured in % terms.

Do we have any information about ho profitable this business is in % terms. Do you know the interest rates banks charge?

Our problem is too much sentmentality and not enough rationality.

How much do you think it costs to run an office with six people in Lagos every month?
How much does it cost to check that a Bsc degree fro UNical is genuine and nof fake if you are based in Lagos or Abuja.
To verify references and work experience. To conduct an interview?

It is only when you have run a business you will realize that you may need 10 or 20 people bringing in 20k every month to break even


Typically in this industry margins are low. bear in mind you could be running your office 12 months a year and your workers only placed for 8.


if the client pay 10 k that is the cost of recruitment. It his foolish for the worker to look at that as HIS MONEY

every other staffs on same contract Ve been receiving Wat d contract says. the previous guy on d job was paid according to the contract. mind u a certain amount ve been deducted before arriving at wat d contract says. so y not still to d contract n pay Wat u re supposed to pay. mind u if firm B gets to no about dis firm A will b at d risk of loosing d contra n might never get any contract wit dem again

bilulu:
Good morning all,

I work as a third party in an organization (firm A employed me to work for firm B). After the interview by firm A I was posted to firm B to work and I was told by firm A how much my salary is. I was happy that I have gotten a place to always resume at though the salary wasn't much.

After working in firm B for about 4 months I realised that firm A have been under paying me to the tune of almost 20,000 per month. I was short and my morale went down. I discussed it with one of the workers in firm A and he said I should wait for a perfect time to bring it to the notice of firm B.

It continued till I got that perfect time and it was about 8 months later. the moment I brought it to their notice (firm B) the manager was furious and called the manager of firm A that they must pay me back all my arrears and also with immediate effect place me on the salary on the contract.

To cut the story short, they placed me on the salary scale of the contract and they have also paid the arrears completely.

The moment I got the alert the manager of firm A called me to come over. I got their and he was telling me how the management have agreed that I should return part of the money with plenty stories. I told him I will get back to him if to return it or not.

I am so confused on what to do. If I decide to report to the manager of firm B they might decide to cancel the contract with firm A and everybody will go home. But the manager of firm B might decide to absorb me in the next contract because of the relationship I built with him overtime.

Still viewing from this other side of firm A, if I don't return the money they might decide to sack me and give nonexisting reasons though it will still jeopardise the contract.

Please I need your advice on what to do...... should I return the money or I should keep it and report to firm B on the plans of firm A?

Nairalanders pls help.....

Keep the money.
The truth is when the contract ends in June, firm A will not retain you (they will always want people they can control and shortchange). Firm B may or may not retain.

So just keep the money and enjoy extra 20k every month till June

My dear, nobody can intimidate you. Keep your money and keep it well. I tell you, firm A can't do nothing. They can't even sack you because it will jeopardize their relationship with firm B. They also know that you are invaluable to firm B, so they won't dare to sack you as sacking you is tantamount to sacking themselves from the contract.

Keep your money and continue to build your good relationship with firm B and all. Even if firm A sacks you, you can get employed by firm B because of your experience in the contract. And I forsee firm A being sacked from the contract second phase because of this shady deal. Then if you return the money and they get sacked, you lose in two folds as your job will stop as it's tied to the contract. If they win second phase, they wouldn't risk not using you for the job as they know that firm B needs you.

0monnak0da:


How can you talk about fairness with a limited knowledge of the faacts.

Rather we should learn to keep an open mind, get all the facts before forming opinions.


Every business operates on a margin of profit which can be measured in % terms.

Do we have any information about ho profitable this business is in % terms. Do you know the interest rates banks charge?

Our problem is too much sentmentality and not enough rationality.

How much do you think it costs to run an office with six people in Lagos every month?
How much does it cost to check that a Bsc degree fro UNical is genuine and nof fake if you are based in Lagos or Abuja.
To verify references and work experience. To conduct an interview?

It is only when you have run a business you will realize that you may need 10 or 20 people bringing in 20k every month to break even


Typically in this industry margins are low. bear in mind you could be running your office 12 months a year and your workers only placed for 8.


if the client pay 10 k that is the cost of recruitment. It his foolish for the worker to look at that as HIS MONEY

I pray when you eventually become a manager like in firm A and you are doing the same thing firm A is doing (exploiting), I pray may the frustrated employee get the nerves to get a gun and pull a trigger in your head just because you believe before you can make it in life you must cheat. And it is normal to you.

bilulu:
every other staffs on same contract Ve been receiving Wat d contract says. the previous guy on d job was paid according to the contract. mind u a certain amount ve been deducted before arriving at wat d contract says. so y not still to d contract n pay Wat u re supposed to pay. mind u if firm B gets to no about dis firm A will b at d risk of loosing d contra n might never get any contract wit dem again

Don't listen to the people saying you should return the money. The money is rightfully yours. Trust me, Firm B has already paid Firm A a contract fee for your services. Either they have paid it upfront or each month Firm B pays an additional fee including your wages. Firm A knows you are naive and not exposed to the corporate world, so that's why they are trying to take advantage of you. It's their fault if they need the extra 20000. They should have negotiated a better contract for themselves with Firm B. Since you have a good relationship with Firm B, tell the manager what's going on or insist that Firm A puts their request in writing so that you have proof to show Firm B. We claim to be Christians and God- fearing people in Africa but we are the most devious and most cunning. It seems you just started working, grow a backbone. If not people will always take advantage of you. You should be rightfully compensated. God gave you a brain, use it.

Request for another meeting with firm A and this Time have a "prove of evidence" during your conversation, like having a recording device... pretend to have agreed and present the prove to firm B as implicating evidence


But don't even contemplate returning the money

INFOBIZ3:
Give them and wait for God to fight for you.

I guess God did not help you type this...

KingsleyCEO:

I guess God did not help you type this...

who gave me life?

I'm actually feeling bad as I give this opinion.

Let them have it because Nigeria as a country and it system is designed to cheat people and if you don't allow yourself to be cheated, people will single you out as bad head.

Nobody wants to stand by you because you did the right thing.

In normal situations, your government ought to be carried along in such contracts through labor to ensure you're not shortchanged.

The government that can't deal with herds men issue?

Forget Nigeria and just survive.

Please forgive me if my writing upset you. I'm even more upset. Thanks and I trust you understand.

ggoldmine:




These statements show that firm B has authority over the actions of firm A. Firm A can only plead with you to return part of the payment but can't force or threaten you to do so coz they also don't want to ruin their relationship with firm B, knowing that firm B gave the order for you to be paid.






Firm B might question their action since you've built a good relationship with the manager.

The response you gave them is okay. keep getting back to them on whether to return it or not or tell them you're still thinking about it…till the contract ends.


But dude, come to think of it; it's your money! They owe you an explanation on the reason behind the deduction in the first place.

You can share this new development with the manager of firm B as well and listen to what he has to say.

I think I share the same opinion with you boss. keep calm Op and tell them you will get back to them. keep strengthen your relationship with the Firm B manager. You've got the knife and the yam in your possession. use it well

bilulu:
Good morning all,

I work as a third party in an organization (firm A employed me to work for firm B). After the interview by firm A I was posted to firm B to work and I was told by firm A how much my salary is. I was happy that I have gotten a place to always resume at though the salary wasn't much.

After working in firm B for about 4 months I realised that firm A have been under paying me to the tune of almost 20,000 per month. I was short and my morale went down. I discussed it with one of the workers in firm A and he said I should wait for a perfect time to bring it to the notice of firm B.

It continued till I got that perfect time and it was about 8 months later. the moment I brought it to their notice (firm B) the manager was furious and called the manager of firm A that they must pay me back all my arrears and also with immediate effect place me on the salary on the contract.

To cut the story short, they placed me on the salary scale of the contract and they have also paid the arrears completely.

The moment I got the alert the manager of firm A called me to come over. I got their and he was telling me how the management have agreed that I should return part of the money with plenty stories. I told him I will get back to him if to return it or not.

I am so confused on what to do. If I decide to report to the manager of firm B they might decide to cancel the contract with firm A and everybody will go home. But the manager of firm B might decide to absorb me in the next contract because of the relationship I built with him overtime.

Still viewing from this other side of firm A, if I don't return the money they might decide to sack me and give nonexisting reasons though it will still jeopardise the contract.

Please I need your advice on what to do...... should I return the money or I should keep it and report to firm B on the plans of firm A?

Nairalanders pls help.....

Most recruitment agencies which is firm A in your case do that.

How else do you expect them to pay for their expenses and service of providing the job to you (instead of you job searching yourself, ask your fellow graduates how job searching alone can be, no be beans bro!)?

Sorry, I can be blunt, I can reasonably guess this job is a contract job, so what did you expect?

If you want a job where your salary is not reduced, watch out then instead for vacancies directly from the companies needing them not from recruitment agencies! This can be done by being a fixture on the job/vacancies section of this nairaland forum and other subscription job websites and even apps such as PushCV.

My 2 cents.

INFOBIZ3:
Give them and wait for God to fight for you.

God should take away your brain. You have no use for it.

millomaniac:
you worked for 4 months or thereabout satisfied, happy and completely ignorant of the fact that part of your salary is being siphoned off.
you then got wind of the situation and still worked an extra 4months collecting same salary, it did not affect you much. Now you want to use your own hands to cause problems for yourself. well if they are no longer going to be underpaying you henceforth then my guy just give back some of the money let it be used to pay off the problems so you dont get in the bad light of anybody(for firm A to shamelessly turn back around again after they have credited you to ask for part refund means their are some internal workings in firm A that you might not fully understand or not aware off) just be wise, sometimes to win we dont necessarily have to fight.... if you feel employer A is greedy and just wants to collect the money behind employer B's back because he thinks he can, you can negotiate the amount, it must not be what they asked for. my 2 cents

I’m sorry to say this, because of how tribalist it sounds, but I have come to this conclusion after having worked with so many different people, and I must say that I’m sure you’re a Yoruba person, you people are eye service personified.

He should give back money he worked for, that’s rightfully his, so that he will remain likeable?

Poster, what happened to getting firm A sued?

Do you undervalue yourself so much that you don’t think you can do better than where you currently work?

You don’t know that Firm A has been robbing you? And you can sue them for that alone? If they sack you, you can also sue for wrongful termination.

Just because you’re ignorant of your right someone has been collecting your money, you have gotten back and you want to give it to them again?

Why is this even something you have to think about?

Are you that timid? Or you’re waiting for God like you’ve been advised here to come fight for you?

What is wrong with the people in this country sef?

O.P the fault might have come from you. Maybe you didn't read the terms of the contract very well before signing. They might be paying you based on what is on your contract.Try to renegotiate a new contract that will put you on similar pay scale as your co-workers. Tell them to let you speak with your lawyer first before taking any action.

bilulu:
every other staffs on same contract Ve been receiving Wat d contract says. the previous guy on d job was paid according to the contract. mind u a certain amount ve been deducted before arriving at wat d contract says. so y not still to d contract n pay Wat u re supposed to pay. mind u if firm B gets to no about dis firm A will b at d risk of loosing d contra n might never get any contract wit dem again

Were you aware of this before signing the contract? If yes, you should have negotiated within that range. Now you have no say. Stick to the existing conditions or ask to renegotiate the terms of the contract.

Why should you return your hard earned money?

There is the possibility you could get sacked after you have returned the money.

bilulu:
Good morning all,

I work as a third party in an organization (firm A employed me to work for firm B). After the interview by firm A I was posted to firm B to work and I was told by firm A how much my salary is. I was happy that I have gotten a place to always resume at though the salary wasn't much.

After working in firm B for about 4 months I realised that firm A have been under paying me to the tune of almost 20,000 per month. I was short and my morale went down. I discussed it with one of the workers in firm A and he said I should wait for a perfect time to bring it to the notice of firm B.

It continued till I got that perfect time and it was about 8 months later. the moment I brought it to their notice (firm B) the manager was furious and called the manager of firm A that they must pay me back all my arrears and also with immediate effect place me on the salary on the contract.

To cut the story short, they placed me on the salary scale of the contract and they have also paid the arrears completely.

The moment I got the alert the manager of firm A called me to come over. I got their and he was telling me how the management have agreed that I should return part of the money with plenty stories. I told him I will get back to him if to return it or not.

I am so confused on what to do. If I decide to report to the manager of firm B they might decide to cancel the contract with firm A and everybody will go home. But the manager of firm B might decide to absorb me in the next contract because of the relationship I built with him overtime.

Still viewing from this other side of firm A, if I don't return the money they might decide to sack me and give nonexisting reasons though it will still jeopardise the contract.

Please I need your advice on what to do...... should I return the money or I should keep it and report to firm B on the plans of firm A?

Nairalanders pls help.....

bilulu:
every other staffs on same contract Ve been receiving Wat d contract says. the previous guy on d job was paid according to the contract. mind u a certain amount ve been deducted before arriving at wat d contract says. so y not still to d contract n pay Wat u re supposed to pay. mind u if firm B gets to no about dis firm A will b at d risk of loosing d contra n might never get any contract wit dem again

The contract?


What contract?


Between who exactly?


You use the phrase THE CONTRACT several times and this is very misleading,


Do YOU have a contract? With whom?