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Nas And Jay-z Mason's Theory Interesting Read by buckeye(m): 4:50pm On Mar 08, 2007
Just like i always do when i don't have much to do, i went on youtube.com and  came across a video about Jay-Z that got my attention. after watching the video, i went on google again to get some informations that relates to what i just finished watching. couple of articles popped up, but then i decide to share this with u gu y z.

Originally Posted by SOHH.COM THREAD

"[/b]Ive received a few PMs askin what this Mason sh1t has to do with rap, alot of young dudes want more knowlege, so im going to KICK MY OPINION, and just sh1t ive picked up on, damn this is going to take me a while

Ive been following Nas and Jays career since they pretty much started out, Jay before dumbin down was prolly my fav, neck and neck with Nas, but after goin commercial i grew a hatred for him, thas besides the point, if you know your sh1t about these 2 emcees and you actually listen to their lyrics and try to understand them, you know these are 2 smart nikkas, i mean in a knowlegable way as in books, religion, certain "cults", specially Nas. We've all seen Nas transform through his career, most call it him being a hypocrit, including me, but i think this nikka just has a thirst for knowlege, and he grows as he learns. This explains him goin from a chrstian, to wearing kufi's, to becoming a mason.

If your up on Jayz, you know about his anti-god stand in life, and alot of times his subliminal message in his songs, im not going to go into the hundreds of lines, just a few tho, [b]"if jehova witnessed bet he'd never testify", on the track called D'evils, or, "never prayed to god i prayed to gotti", "raise hell til its heavon", the track Lucifer, "lord forgive, he got the dark forces in him", [/b]he been on this tip since he came into the game, hes been a mason when he started rocafella thus the dynasty symbol being a pyramid. Then he went and called himself [b]J-Hova
(jehova), Masons think of themseves as Gods, they feel theyre superior to the rest of the world.

the whole thing with the masons is they recruit powerful, rich people, so most of the music industry is down, ive been knowin about this for years in rap, and there are alot of knowlegable cats in the game who are up on this stuff, Nas, Pac, Jay, Ra, but the 2 dudes that were anti iluminati were Pac and Nas, Pac made the track "killuminati" and Nas came at Jay with "ether" that had a lot of his masonic jabs in it, peep game

Ether has a few meanings, it is described as the area in outer space, and its a chemical liquid, when inhaled, is like a strong drug, trips the fukk out of people, it seperates your mind from your physical, people on it have visions of god, devil, galaxies, euphoria, and it is said that back in the day when their were possessed people, the priests would drug the possessed with ether, it was believed to kill the evil inside of them, this is where Nas' track title comes from,

"ether, that sh1t to make your soul burn slow"

When you become a mason and you get your first degree, you have to go through a bunch of rituals, and eventually sign your name on paper, there are a lot of theorists that say that is when you are signing your sould over to the devil, then its believed you receive good fortunes, i believe this is what Nas meant when he said

"i love you cause your my brother, you traded your soul for riches"

I always believed Jay and Nas' war was more than just a lyrical thing, and their dislike started before any Carmen sh1t, Nas was very pro-God, and Jay was the opposite, on one hand you got one dude callin himself (J-hova) god himself, then u got God's Son, meaning god sent, to destroy evil and protect, i saw it as more of a spiritual battle,




Thats why I was so shocked when i saw them squash the beef, not just that, but they met on stage, and since when do two hip hop nikkas shake hands?? not only that, it was in a masonic grip to let the whole world know whats up (those who recognised it knew atlease, and their the ones who matter)

Then all of a sudden Nas retires his Cross chains and gets a new Egyption chain, which is where illiuminati started, with the whole pyramids and all. The one track released since, hes talkin about "i slow dance with the devil" and "annuet coeptip, the plan and the message", what happened to his mom slow dancing with Jesus on Gods son?"

this was the video that drew my attension to this  subject.  
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6oRyrhJdwCw

Re: Nas And Jay-z Mason's Theory Interesting Read by PoDeep(m): 7:38pm On Mar 08, 2007
Na wa o,if this is ryt,we aint safe no more.
Re: Nas And Jay-z Mason's Theory Interesting Read by gbadex1(m): 8:34pm On Mar 08, 2007
Damn! Sh*t is heavier than Serena's booty!
Re: Nas And Jay-z Mason's Theory Interesting Read by PoDeep(m): 8:50pm On Mar 08, 2007
Serena's booty?I thought it was Pam anderson's bosoms.
Re: Nas And Jay-z Mason's Theory Interesting Read by gbadex1(m): 9:07pm On Mar 08, 2007
Hell, bosom traps, scoobie snacks. . . .who cares?!! As far as gravity pulls lyk magnets, works for me cheesy
Re: Nas And Jay-z Mason's Theory Interesting Read by kaydee(m): 9:57pm On Mar 08, 2007
@ Buckeye

Hmmn! I like ur point of view. I need You to tell me more bout this ish! Drop ur addy and i'ma holla @ Ya. Waz a Nas fanatic too and i got a lotta friends who worship Jigga. This is so interesting
Re: Nas And Jay-z Mason's Theory Interesting Read by PoDeep(m): 4:47pm On Mar 09, 2007
Hey!!! Una no dey happy o. Una wan make dis thread die abi?Abeg make we talk this thing jö.
Re: Nas And Jay-z Mason's Theory Interesting Read by tianshie(m): 6:41pm On Mar 09, 2007
Scales just fell from my eyes and clattered beside tha keyboard!
Re: Nas And Jay-z Mason's Theory Interesting Read by 4Play(m): 6:46pm On Mar 09, 2007
So what else is news?
Re: Nas And Jay-z Mason's Theory Interesting Read by kaydee(m): 4:09pm On Mar 10, 2007
More info please!!!!!! I'm loving this
Re: Nas And Jay-z Mason's Theory Interesting Read by PoDeep(m): 6:59pm On Mar 10, 2007
@kaydee
So u still down wit NaS?
Re: Nas And Jay-z Mason's Theory Interesting Read by PoDeep(m): 7:00pm On Mar 10, 2007
@kaydee
So u still down wit NaS?
Re: Nas And Jay-z Mason's Theory Interesting Read by kaydee(m): 7:14pm On Mar 11, 2007
@ Po-Deep

For now,the answer is NO!!!. I'm lisnin 2 just Christian Rap now and LECRAE and TRIP LEE doin good for me.I'm finding it hard though but i'm through with Nas for now.I didn't buy the "Hip-Hop is dead" album. I'm not buying any Hip-Hop album again till i finish ma personal research.It's kinda hard bro and i still find maself lisnin 2 Immortal Technique and Papoose.I'm down to just those two now. It's kinda hard but i'll get through.How you copin bro?
Re: Nas And Jay-z Mason's Theory Interesting Read by gbadex1(m): 11:46pm On Mar 11, 2007
Yep yep yep, Lacrae and Trip Lee it is. . . . . .though i kinda dig more of KJ-52, T-Bone, and Ill Harmonics.

I believe Christian HipHop is a better and more positive alternative to secular HipHop. Nowadays i can't wait to JC-tv at 2, 3p.m on TBN!
Re: Nas And Jay-z Mason's Theory Interesting Read by PoDeep(m): 8:15am On Mar 12, 2007
@kaydee
Truth is I rarely listen to MUSIC at all nowadays,dunno why. Even when i want to write rhymes,i find my self thinking hard for an hour or more just to go past the first few lines.
How's ur research going? Hey,if u find anything relevant,pls,don't hesitate to post it to my mail box : dotun_ay@yahoo.co.uk
ONE. . .
Re: Nas And Jay-z Mason's Theory Interesting Read by bgees(m): 1:10pm On Mar 12, 2007
this is so i interesting?i hope to do more research on this.

@ kaydee,
every NaS fan i know out there appears to be losing interest in nas and hiphop.
u are not alone.now i get i tired of hiphop.all i do is skip-skip the tracks.im so tired of it
Re: Nas And Jay-z Mason's Theory Interesting Read by jimmyjam: 10:44pm On Jan 10, 2008
Apparently both nas father was a freemason and so is he, also are jay z a lot of rappers and musicians both dead and alive. The bible mentions that in the last days people will worship the beast in a form that they do not think they are worshiping him, one of these forms is hip-hop i.e it will be an in direct form.

so listening to certain kinds of music, wearing hip hop clothes, and certain things doing things (such a making rocafella diamond sign with your hand) and associating with certain people.

I had a frend who recently went to a wu tang concert who said the concert virtually turned into a preaching on how hip hop ties into islam and mystic religions and they were appealing to people to embrace those religions also they would mention things like breadthren/brothers/sisters, church etc and people in the crowd were responding to them with things like "preach on" "say it peacher" "preach the truth my brother" etc as if it was a crusade or church.
Re: Nas And Jay-z Mason's Theory Interesting Read by ritchboy(m): 8:28am On Jan 11, 2008
Do yall really believe any of this crap? and the dynasty is a diamond(which jay COPIED from a wrestler) and NOT a pyramid.
Re: Nas And Jay-z Mason's Theory Interesting Read by sleekdot(m): 10:03am On Jan 11, 2008
is this s**t for real??
Re: Nas And Jay-z Mason's Theory Interesting Read by YourFather: 11:54am On Jan 11, 2008
The Problem with this post is the same problem with Nigerian Church goers, you listen and forget all the other facts. How many J-zay's track as he proclaimed God, as far as him being God, he addressed that already, remmember " I am not quite God but I work damn hard", in kingdom come he even rebuked the Blastfirmers, I mean one dude trying to get publicity for himself is using hip-hop as a medium.

What was his message, really!

We have the power to think, please lets use it.
Re: Nas And Jay-z Mason's Theory Interesting Read by jerrymania(m): 12:48pm On Jan 11, 2008
i wont bother reading these f**kin posts again. now u indirectly take a jibe at hip hop, u focus on they been in so cult and so, cant you research on the good their life and music has done for their community or for other people? If you want to be Idyllic in Hip Hop u have to be a little Mystical so let them be.
Re: Nas And Jay-z Mason's Theory Interesting Read by 9ja4eva(m): 12:57pm On Jan 11, 2008
YourFather:

The Problem with this post is the same problem with Nigerian Church goers, you listen and forget all the other facts. How many J-zay's track as he proclaimed God, as far as him being God, he addressed that already, remmember " I am not quite God but I work damn hard", in kingdom come he even rebuked the Blastfirmers, I mean one dude trying to get publicity for himself is using hip-hop as a medium.

What was his message, really!

We have the power to think, please lets use it.


Right
Re: Nas And Jay-z Mason's Theory Interesting Read by frgy1: 3:11pm On Jan 11, 2008
if this is true , then its sad. but the truth is wherever you look for conspiracy, if u look hard enough , you will find.
if u have seen as much hoax as i have, then you will know that even YOU could be accused of such, with ova whelming evidences.
Re: Nas And Jay-z Mason's Theory Interesting Read by A40(m): 5:39pm On Jan 11, 2008
Dont know what this is all about but as for the handshake lol how is one supposed to shake a brotha without sending any wrong messages? undecided
Re: Nas And Jay-z Mason's Theory Interesting Read by jimmyjam: 12:49am On Jan 15, 2008
Yourfathe i hear what you and the rest of yall are saying: I'm not a judge but for you to say that neither nas nor jay z is a mason means you might be a mason yourself.

I cant deny nas and jay z are a big influence on the generations of people in their 40's, 30's and 20's and even in their teens. There music is the best.

With nas continuoulsy using latin words that refer to an ancient sect of roman monks, egyptian, greek masons that are still used in mason ceremonies today its very clear these guys are in this cult.

Also jay z recently has started using 3 hisses in his raps on his new cd (american gangster) my intution has it that these 3 hisses mean lu-ci-fer (the god/angel of light in freemason sect) and to the rest of the world is know as the devil.

I must remind you that in the bible the devil showed jesus the city and said if he would bow don and worship him (the devil) that he will give him control and dominion over the earth and all that he saw.

Being that they (jay z and nas) have sold thier soul to the devil and that they are now god son (nas) and jahover (jay z) it will only be a matter of time till they officially put masonic seals and signs on their cd's, rocawear clothes etc
Re: Nas And Jay-z Mason's Theory Interesting Read by jimmyjam: 1:09am On Jan 15, 2008
Its amazing how in nigeria where a large number of people still have a hard time eating 3 square meals that hip -hop has become part of the lifstyle of the nigerian youth (teens up till 40's)

apparently the devil was the angel incharge of music and is one of the best at making it this is another hint about this dillemma,

The influence is so much that governor bukola saraki of kwara state gave jay z an official "state welcome"

http://bellanaija.blogspot.com/2006/10/jay-z-in-kwara.html

They have even gotten to the point where they can endorse any product and it selld billions on dollars.

Jay Z has even gotten to the united nations as a UN ambassador

http://www.mtv.com/overdrive/?id=1545981&vid=120275

before you know it jay z may become the governor of new york or even run for president of America! who knows even UN secretary general. With that the anticrist is inching closer to world domination!
Re: Nas And Jay-z Mason's Theory Interesting Read by jerrymania(m): 9:32am On Jan 15, 2008
jimmyjam:

Its amazing how in nigeria where a large number of people still have a hard time eating 3 square meals that hip -hop has become part of the lifstyle of the nigerian youth (teens up till 40's)

apparently the devil was the angel incharge of music and is one of the best at making it this is another hint about this dillemma,

The influence is so much that governor bukola saraki of kwara state gave jay z an official "state welcome"

http://bellanaija.blogspot.com/2006/10/jay-z-in-kwara.html

They have even gotten to the point where they can endorse any product and it selld billions on dollars.

Jay Z has even gotten to the united nations as a UN ambassador

http://www.mtv.com/overdrive/?id=1545981&vid=120275

before you know it jay z may become the governor of new york or even run for president of America! who knows even UN secretary general. With that the anticrist is inching closer to world domination!

If u got no poo to say GO TO SLEEP.
Re: Nas And Jay-z Mason's Theory Interesting Read by Rapsody(m): 10:55am On Jan 15, 2008
NAS & JIGGA (THE MASONIC THEORY)

Well,i wud like to present a balanced view of the subject by tabling the case for and against the theory.

PROS

Nas is arguably the best lyricist hip hop has ever seen.Since "Illmatic",he's never stopped expositing on the ills & vices associated wt living in d inner cities of America. Always controversial bt never commercial,Nas is considered a spokesman and legend by black people.

Jay-Z is one of d most successful entertainers of our time. A living example for ghetto kids and hustlers who dream of a better life than pushing bricks in d Projects. He's also regarded as an enterpreneur wt a 'midas touch',apart frm being a Rap Icon wt birthed protegès like Kanye West.

CONS:

Nas promotes violence,intimate obscenity and crime in his lyrics.Though,he has songs that are positive and motivating,he hasnt refrained frm indulging in the same vices he preaches against. No wonder,all his albums carry the PG advisory!
Nas identifies the problems of black people but offers no real solution.Rather,he compounds the problem by being self-contradictory.

Jay-Z eulogizes the bling-bling lifestyle and approves criminal behaviour. Quote:
"Im still f*ckin wt crime coz crime pays/i cant change,im so stuck in my ways"
he idolizes the life of a love-vendor just like his mentor,Biggie. He is largely responsible 4 why Hiphop has lost direction today.Judging frm his blasphemeous name 'J-Hova',he really has no regard 4 God whatsoever!

THE PROGNOSIS:

Both Nas and Jay-Z are admittedly profane,bt does that necessarily imply they are Free-masons,by choice? No,sir!
  The average black youth who grew up in d projects without a solid spiritual upbringing learns to idolize material things and considers the concept of God as a folk-tale only to be used as a clichè and of no real significance!
lump that with the influence of 5 percenter religion on Hip hop and u understand why most Rap artistes refer to themselves as G.O.D and even make jokes about being the Devil!
 Be that as it way,it is a possibility that both artistes way have been initiated to freemasonry seeing how influential they've become in the world today (esp Jigga). Quote frm Jay-Z
"He got those dark forces in em/but he also got a righteous cause 4 sinning"
(off d track 'Lucifer' The black album)

Now that sounds masonic all right! Yet it cud just be Jigga running his mouf as usual. Then again,the R.O.C sign could be a masonic pyramid, or yet again,just a diamond symbol signifying wealth which Jay-Z worships!

CONCLUSION:

Masons or not,be careful how these artistes influence ur mind (not just Hip hop now).if u really want pure hip hop without d taint of free-mason philosophies,i present to u - God Hiphop! Check out d Gospel Rap thread 4 more details!
One!
Re: Nas And Jay-z Mason's Theory Interesting Read by frgy1: 11:23am On Jan 15, 2008
jimmyjam:


before you know it jay z may become the governor of new york or even run for president of America! who knows even UN secretary general. With that the anticrist is inching closer to world domination!
guy u funny o!!! is that so?
i never knew the americans are that silly
Re: Nas And Jay-z Mason's Theory Interesting Read by frgy1: 11:29am On Jan 15, 2008
Rapsody:

NAS & JIGGA (THE MASONIC THEORY)

Nas promotes violence,intimate obscenity and crime in his lyrics.Though,he has songs that are positive and motivating,he hasnt refrained frm indulging in the same vices he preaches against. No wonder,all his albums carry the PG advisory!

thats not nas alone, pg is synonymous with hip hop. apart from part time rappers like will smit, and a few full time ones like ll cool j . almost all rap albums are PG advisory
Re: Nas And Jay-z Mason's Theory Interesting Read by jimmyjam: 2:07am On Jan 23, 2008
The Jury is out because Phat farm has just released a new logo which is a triangle with an eye inside. Also sean jean (p-diddys clothing line) has joined suit, it now has the use of the ancient all seeing egyptian eye, and pyramids etc on them.

I must warn you that he who has eyes and ears let him see and hear. So basically be careful what you wear and what you listen to, pyschiatrist and psychologists will tell you that what ever you listen to has an influence on your thinking, acting, way of life etc I agree that gospel hip hop is better. Infact even R& B seems to be better than hip hop these days because all its about is money, cash, hoes, sex, drugs, violence/killing etc

Thats not what the founding fathers of hip hop (curtis blow, LL cool j etc) started it with they started similar to blues music as a way to tell people about your lifes troubles the turning point was when fellow rappers started to compete and dis each other about thier cars, jewelry, girls, money etc this is when hip hop took a turn and soon became a business. Its a pity that one of the founding fathers of hip-hop "russell simmons" is not only a bhuddist but also a mason and a muslim, does that not tell you that he and most followers of hip hop are confused and have no direction! its a music of 40 years in the wilderness leading people to no where,

has jay z or nas helped any of you to pay your electricity bill or feed you but yet people continue to edify them!
Re: Nas And Jay-z Mason's Theory Interesting Read by jimmyjam: 2:19am On Jan 23, 2008
Its so widespread that even danfe bus drivers are now spray painting their buses with "2 pac, jay z, snoop" etc, has 2pac or jay z ever one day entered thier bus and paid transport fare, when will snoop dogg listen to your perception of life versus you listening to his. Even dancehall reaggae how is very vulgar. it wasnt like the in the bob marly days, lucky dube, jimmy cliff days.

Afrobeat isnt even better: what is the meaning of "bang bang bang, i just dey go" by femi kuti, its alll nonsence, even lagbaja, tribesmen, d-banj. Listeners to this kind of music are as irresponsible as the artiste themselves I recommend to all readers to take on other listening preferences such as: classical, jazz, gospel or even produce your own good music etc, will smith is also good as he is positive in his lyrics.

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