Emusan:
All what you wrote would have been meaningful and true, had it been the Creator hasn't revealed Himself to people.

If people of old have actually imagined it the way you portrayed it then our generation can't confirm it.

Blakjewelry:
One thing people don't realize is going to heaven is totally useless because that is living a life without purpose and it is the task of of trying to achieve something that makes life more interesting. In heaven it won't take long before someone gets tired and look for some damn apple to chop and let the circle continue lol

johnydon22:


Hahahahaha paradise doesn't make one ounce of sense objectively.

It lacks meaning and substance.

Destroying earth to gain paradise is like abandoning substance to chase shadows.

dada01:
I think you are a little biase here. Society just like religion was also created to achieve order and avoid chaos. A society without law and order is better imagined thn experienced. My point here is, we lack the substantial knowledge to question the social order of the universe, religion included. Sometimes dont you just settle down to see that everything in the society revolves around money (which is being printed and minted by us)and hence economy, that sounds organize to me and nobody is questioning this order, we are all cool with it, but are quick to question religious order/belief.

LightSpirit:
Sure, there is the yin and yang - the spokes of a wheel.

The pairs of good and evil, god and devil, light and shadow, mountain and valley etc represent polar end of the same energy. You cannot choose one without also inviting the other. This is the tragedy of man, he is always in tension - a rope drawn between two ends. He choses one end, the other pole draws him.

But there is a third alternative, and that is the transcendence of duality.

johnydon22:


I think the entire premise of the post is lost to you.

This post is entirely non sequitur to the point or argument raised by the post.

dada01:


Actually, it does. You are trying to paint a perfect society by discrediting the beliefs of a perfect abode for believers, while at the same time neglecting the fact that the perfect society you are painting here could be a construct of human. And this construct could be altered. Say for instance a paradigm shift in the working of society/civilization as you know it, into a state of calipate, socialism, or what we dont know.

johnydon22:


Does this transcendancy connote singularity of a dual concept?

LightSpirit:

This transcendence is the harmony of duality. Take for instance a river flowing between two banks. The banks appear opposite, but at every depth, both banks unite as bed. Life is like a river with division into banks on the surface and the same banks merging as bed at the depth.

Blakjewelry:

Religion was created by the ancient to control population, control man's animality and as well as trying to explain the world in which they find themselves but as we grow mentally, we are expected to question all, but we in this part of the world are afraid to explore the unknown or rather we prefer someone to think for us.

Hakeem12:
You sing praise and worship here on earth to make heaven. And when you do, you sing it for all eternity. There's not gonna be FIFA world cup no more. no more PlayStations, grand theft auto, latest movie releases, no alcohol, cool rides. Man... heavens gonna be boring.

CAPSLOCKED:



REASON WHY I'VE PRE-BOOKED MY PLACE IN HELL ALREADY.

clefstone:
heaven is not a physical place like earth, it cannot be. Your analysis is smart but it would only make complete sense if heaven is another earth. The yin and yang concept may suffice for our earthly existence but heaven is a state we cannot comprehend, we only know that it is eternally good, an eternal yang without a yin

Hakeem12:
You sing praise and worship here on earth to make heaven. And when you do, you sing it for all eternity. There's not gonna be FIFA world cup no more. no more PlayStations, grand theft auto, latest movie releases, cool rides. Man... heavens gonna be boring.

johnydon22:
When we look at the things wrong with this world or more correctly, things we think are wrong we this world, we can't help but try to imagine, create our own perfect world.

Paradise
Valhala
Heaven
Earthly paradise

These are all our creations or maybe our attempt to conceptualize what a perfect world would be like.
No suffering, No pain, no sadness, no want, no tears, no cold, no anger, aggression, fear and so forth
These are negative experiences we come across every day on earth. We somehow create an utopia that would do a way with them.

Imagine a perfect world.

Try as much as possible to imagine such a world.

there is no death.
no worries
no wants
no tears
no sadness.

Do they sound good?
Or do you understand that such a world is inherently flawed?

We may bask in the euphoria of a heavenly bliss or an earthly paradise where nothing negative ever resides.

But is this really a good thing?

Opposing concepts derive meaning from one another.

Hot and cold
up and down
sadness and joy
tears and laugher

This is from whence the chinese philosophy derived the concept of Yin and Yang. Evil and good are forces that cannot do without the other. Without yin, Yang is useless and meaningless, vise versa, the only way they make sense is together.

If there is no up how does the concept of down make any sense?

So does a world where there are no suffering, pain, tears, needs, struggles make any sense?

No. it doesn't.

On earth, we are certain that we are going to die one day, that realizations makes the time we have precious to us.
We understand sadness and thus we appreciate joy
We understand pain, hence laughter is something we crave
We know suffering, success becomes soothing
We know lose, we appreciate opportunities.
We have wants and needs, we try as much as possible to achieve them therefore deriving a sense of purpose and fulfillment.

Take the negative sides of life away, nothing makes sense anymore.

You cannot understand happiness if there is no sadness.
the concept of success shatters if failure is out of the picture.

So imagine a world without these negative sides, it will be a world devoid of every meaning, devoid of every essence or sense of fulfillment.

Imagine yourself in a perfect world.

Build a perfect world, a paradise or a heaven and put yourself into this world.

And then ask yourself and answer sincerely.

What exactly would i be doing in such a world?

Throw in the idea of forever as the case is for heaven. A billion trillion billion years, you have not even started. That is when you will understand that it is just void.

Imagine a perfect world?

I'd say, we are already in a perfect world.

herald9:


I see trees of green
Red roses too
I see them bloom
For me and you
And I think to myself
What a wonderful world

I see skies of blue
And clouds of white
The bright blessed day
The dark sacred night
And I think to myself
What a wonderful world

The colors of the rainbow
So pretty in the sky
Are also on the faces
Of people going by
I see friends shaking hands
Saying, "How do you do?"
They're really saying
"I love you"

I hear babies cry
I watch them grow
They'll learn much more
Than I'll never know
And I think to myself
What a wonderful world

- Louis Armstrong

johnydon22:
When we look at the things wrong with this world or more correctly, things we think are wrong we this world, we can't help but try to imagine, create our own perfect world.

Paradise
Valhala
Heaven
Earthly paradise

These are all our creations or maybe our attempt to conceptualize what a perfect world would be like.
No suffering, No pain, no sadness, no want, no tears, no cold, no anger, aggression, fear and so forth
These are negative experiences we come across every day on earth. We somehow create an utopia that would do a way with them.

Imagine a perfect world.

Try as much as possible to imagine such a world.

there is no death.
no worries
no wants
no tears
no sadness.

Do they sound good?
Or do you understand that such a world is inherently flawed?

We may bask in the euphoria of a heavenly bliss or an earthly paradise where nothing negative ever resides.

But is this really a good thing?

Opposing concepts derive meaning from one another.

Hot and cold
up and down
sadness and joy
tears and laugher

This is from whence the chinese philosophy derived the concept of Yin and Yang. Evil and good are forces that cannot do without the other. Without yin, Yang is useless and meaningless, vise versa, the only way they make sense is together.

If there is no up how does the concept of down make any sense?

So does a world where there are no suffering, pain, tears, needs, struggles make any sense?

No. it doesn't.

On earth, we are certain that we are going to die one day, that realizations makes the time we have precious to us.
We understand sadness and thus we appreciate joy
We understand pain, hence laughter is something we crave
We know suffering, success becomes soothing
We know lose, we appreciate opportunities.
We have wants and needs, we try as much as possible to achieve them therefore deriving a sense of purpose and fulfillment.

Take the negative sides of life away, nothing makes sense anymore.

You cannot understand happiness if there is no sadness.
the concept of success shatters if failure is out of the picture.

So imagine a world without these negative sides, it will be a world devoid of every meaning, devoid of every essence or sense of fulfillment.

Imagine yourself in a perfect world.

Build a perfect world, a paradise or a heaven and put yourself into this world.

And then ask yourself and answer sincerely.

What exactly would i be doing in such a world?

Throw in the idea of forever as the case is for heaven. A billion trillion billion years, you have not even started. That is when you will understand that it is just void.

Imagine a perfect world?

I'd say, we are already in a perfect world.

herald9:


I see trees of green
Red roses too
I see them bloom
For me and you
And I think to myself
What a wonderful world

I see skies of blue
And clouds of white
The bright blessed day
The dark sacred night
And I think to myself
What a wonderful world

The colors of the rainbow
So pretty in the sky
Are also on the faces
Of people going by
I see friends shaking hands
Saying, "How do you do?"
They're really saying
"I love you"

I hear babies cry
I watch them grow
They'll learn much more
Than I'll never know
And I think to myself
What a wonderful world

- Louis Armstrong

Emusan:
All what you wrote would have been meaningful and true, had it been the Creator hasn't revealed Himself to people.

If people of old have actually imagined it the way you portrayed it then our generation can't confirm it.

edicied:
Simple there is no freewill in Heaven!

johnydon22:
So typically, humans in even are drones controlled by a predetermined program?