babapupa:

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sjeezy8:

lol I have to make atleast ONE post on this thread.

@poster if Obafemi Awolowo, Nnamdi Azikwe, And Ahmadu Bello, are All Clueless Founding Fathers what is ojukwu? What did he ever achieve? He didnt do shiot as the head of the east and he even failed at making a biafra a country.

So I guess that makes Ojukwu a failure- If biafra was a country today one could atleast give him credit- but its not he is a failure.

udezue:

Ezeuche
Man that dude is freakin dumb shyt makes no damn sense.

Andre Uweh:

The Western Cameroun was not originally a part of Nigeria. The league of nations handed over the territory to the British imperial govt to be administered through Nigeria. It was not in the original plan to keep W. Cameroun under Nigeria. They had a right to reunite with their other half. As a result, a plebiscite was organised and they chose to opt out of Nigeria. Zik nor Nigeria had no right to hold them back. So count Azikiwe out.
Zik as a nationalist, had only one intention-to win power from colonial masters for Nigeria. Was that achieved or not?.

sjeezy8:

lol I have to make atleast ONE post on this thread.

@poster if Obafemi Awolowo, Nnamdi Azikwe, And Ahmadu Bello, are All Clueless Founding Fathers what is ojukwu? What did he ever achieve? He didnt do shiot as the head of the east and he even failed at making a biafra a country.

So I guess that makes Ojukwu a failure- If biafra was a country today one could atleast give him credit- but its not he is a failure.

Remii:

Sometimes I wonder about the thought process of some Nairalanders, these leaders deserve commendation and not insults, most of them were at the ages of NLanders with very limited exposures yet they did what they did. Everything was going good before the military coup of 1966 and that was the beginning of the end. The west in particular had development plans for every 5yrs up to the 1st 25yrs after Independence. When Awolowo got to federal with Gowon he developed same plan for Nigeria, but around 1970, after the war he observed the military govt no longer keen on the plan anymore. that was the main reason he gave for pulling out of the govt.

tkb417:

God bless you

The clueless men did wonders for Nigeria when they were their ages!!

ask these internet warriors/legends to tell us what they have done for their Local govts

nothing and yet, they know who was cluesless and useless

na wa

Remii:

Sometimes I wonder about the thought process of some Nairalanders, these leaders deserve commendation and not insults, most of them were at the ages of NLanders with very limited exposures yet they did what they did. [b]Everything was going good before the military coup of 1966 [/b]and that was the beginning of the end. The west in particular had development plans for every 5yrs up to the 1st 25yrs after Independence. When Awolowo got  to federal with Gowon he developed same plan for Nigeria, but around 1970, after the war he observed the military govt no longer keen on the plan anymore. that was the main reason he gave for pulling out of the govt.

tkb417:

if the founding fathers were clueless, what do u have to say to the present leaders/followers including you the OP?

what have you guys done individually to have the right to call legends clueless?

Sitting on the fence/front of internet to pontificate on issues is the easiest thing to do. (just like a beer parlour football analyst who knows more than the coach)

Whilst the developed countries are lauding their past leaders for the legacies they left behind, some charlatans on the internet/Nairaland with no clue on how to run a nucleus family feels what the past leaders have done amount to zilch because of silly personal views

nyways, anyone who takes your ilk serious must be suffering from some potent spiritual attack.

It is too early here to engage in frivolous sweet baloney!

you and your comrades in idiocy can bask in your perpetual stupidity and spew some more bunkum
rats!!!

gogo123:

PRAY THEE, WHAT ARE THE LEGACIES THESE VISION-LESS LITTLE MEN LEFT BEHIND?AM SO SAD THE BLACK MAN HAS A LONG WAY TO GO, IF YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT LEGACIES YOUNG MAN GO WEST(CASTRO,GANDHI,SUHARTO,NASSER,MANDELA) WHAT CULTURAL AND SOCIOECONOMIC CONDITIONS GAVE RISE TO SUCH MEN AND LEFT NIGERIA DESTITUTE OF SUCH? UNFORTUNATELY THE HUSTLER NIGERIAN PRESS HAS TURNED THESE MEN INTO TITANS, MOST RECENT ONE BEING YARADUA. THE MOST WE HAVE EVER HAD COMING TO A WOULD BE LEGEND WAS OBJ BUT THE INHERENT TRIBALISM IN HIM JUST WONT LET GO

keeeem:

@Onlytruth

In your own little way you have tried but the problem here is that you read things upside down. It is good to reflect on the past at least to do a stock taking of the past. I am a yoruba man and my people used to say 'a child that says his father is not wealthy, is not rich the same will apply to him when he grows up'. To call them 'clueless' is like throwing caution to the wind.

These men did great things in their time. You see in life we all make mistakes probably errors of judgement which is excusable. Those errors of judgement are based strictly upon the limitations of the time. Ask your Dad and Mum, there were certain things they missed and when they look back they wished will av been done to better the present situation they find themselves. That is life my friend. Perfection lies with God. Let us understand that aspect of life we do not have control over. In a private discussion with an elderly man when I was in the university he said one thing and I will quote him here ' All our founding fathers achieved what they set out to achieve the other thing they tried to achieve God never allowed it. Awo set out to give his people the best in terms of infrastructure and he did. Zik set out to be the greatest bride he did. Ahmadu Bello set out to be in control of govt and that he achieved'

That is by the wayside, let us watch those things we say in public forums like this and the way we also put things. In their own times, they were masters in their right. Let us try to post educative things that the younger generation would learn from not using our own personal views to distort history. Education is supposed to better the society. Let us use the education we have to better our society.

We are backward because we as individuals are more developed than our country. We do not have any other country other than this. God bless us all. Amin

gogo123:

LITTLE MAN, I TOOK MY NORMAL MEAL BUT UNLIKE YOU I DO READ AND REFLECT, LEGENDS ARE RARELY LIVING, OBJ GENERALLY TRIED TO PUT NIGERIA ON THE RIGHT DIRECTION, I GIVE HIM 30% AND THE REST OF THEM 10%, LETS SEE IN THE NEXT 40/50YRS.BUT STILL TAKE AWAY THE FACT THAT THERE WERE FEW EDUCATED PEOPLE TO CHALLENGE THEM THEN, WHAT REAL LEGACY DID THEY LEAVE BEHIND, HATRED,TRIBALISM, LETS NOT ROMANTICIZE THESE PEOPLE. YES AM NOT A FAN OF OBJ BUT MR MAN, HE IS WONT TO DO THE RIGHT THING
MEANWHILE CAN YOU ENGAGE IN AN INTELLECTUAL ARGUMENT FOR ONCE WITHOUT SCOOPING FROM THE GUTTERS WHERE YOU BELONG

tkb417:

b4 i start cursing you out, ill indulge your tomfoolery

Did you say OBJ is more of a legend than AWO and Zik? did you actually say that?
ok, if you havent been cursed from your village, what exactly did OBJ do for Nigeria as the President of Nigeria?

and to say ure comparing him with someone who never ruled Nigeria but developed the western part of Nigeria structurally and economically begs a billion questions

maybe u didnt know AWO was instrumental to the building of some Univeristies in Nigeria while OBJ was at loggerheads with lecturers in Nigeria. AWO gave free edu to the masses while OBJ ensured the lecturers were unpaid/sacked and abused.

Even if your school fees was paid by OBJ, does it mean u shd reason like a simpleton

OBJ and AWO? thats the most retarded statement ive read on Nairaland

it can only mean something, ure the undisputed numero uno when it comes to dishing out moronic statements

dont u dare respond to me again u daftie!!!

LITTLE ONE, I WILL START BY RECOGNIZING YOUR OBVIOUS LIMITATIONS,(BAD ENGLISH,YOU EVEN BELIEVE IN CURSES) THANK GOD THAT ONE CAN HIDE BEHIND THIS SCREEN IF NOT PEOPLE WOULD WONDER WHY AM I RESPONDING TO YOU,LIKE A PREVIOUS POSTER SAID THESE PEOPLE WERE CEILING-ED BY THE ZIESTGIEST OF THEIR TIMES(IS THAT TOO HIGH SOUNDING FOR YOU?) MY DEAR WE ARE TALKING OF NATION BUILDING HERE AND NOT YOUR CLUSTERS AND SETTLEMENTS IN OKENNA AND ILE IFE, OBJ MIGHT HAVE GOTTEN IT WRONG IN SOME OF HIS ACTIONS BUT THESE THREE SO CALLED FOUNDING FOUNDERS DELIBERATELY TOOK THE WRONG ROAD FOR WHAT EVER REASON KNOWN TO THEM
AND IF I DECIDE TO GET DOWN TO YOUR ARID MIND THIS AFTERNOON, I WILL LACERATE YOU SO MUCH THAT YOU WILL FEEL THE PHYSICAL PAIN, WHAT IS SO SACROSANCT ABOUT THESE MEN THAT YOU CANT CRITICIZE THEM, AM NO FAN OF OBJ BUT TO AN EXTENT HE WAS MORE OF A NATIONALIST THAN THESE THREE

LITTLE ONE, I WILL START BY RECOGNIZING YOUR OBVIOUS LIMITATIONS,(BAD ENGLISH,YOU EVEN BELIEVE IN CURSES) THANK GOD THAT ONE CAN HIDE BEHIND THIS SCREEN IF NOT PEOPLE WOULD WONDER WHY AM I RESPONDING TO YOU,LIKE A PREVIOUS POSTER SAID THESE PEOPLE WERE CEILING-ED BY THE ZIESTGIEST OF THEIR TIMES(IS THAT TOO HIGH SOUNDING FOR YOU?) MY DEAR WE ARE TALKING OF NATION BUILDING HERE AND NOT YOUR CLUSTERS AND SETTLEMENTS IN OKENNA AND ILE IFE, OBJ MIGHT HAVE GOTTEN IT WRONG IN SOME OF HIS ACTIONS BUT THESE THREE SO CALLED FOUNDING FOUNDERS DELIBERATELY TOOK THE WRONG ROAD FOR WHAT EVER REASON KNOWN TO THEM
AND IF I DECIDE TO GET DOWN TO YOUR ARID MIND THIS AFTERNOON, I WILL LACERATE YOU SO MUCH THAT YOU WILL FEEL THE PHYSICAL PAIN, WHAT IS SO SACROSANCT ABOUT THESE MEN THAT YOU CANT CRITICIZE THEM, AM NO FAN OF OBJ BUT TO AN EXTENT HE WAS MORE OF A NATIONALIST THAN THESE THREE

Onlytruth:

The most painful aspect of this whole saga is that as of 1957, Eastern Nigeria and Western Nigeria were basically independent.
Assuming that both Zik and Awo were waiting for the north, why was it necessary to accept a less educated leadership under the north? Why!

Where was EVERYBODY ELSE when this weird deal was going on?

Were these three guys that powerful?