ELKHALIFAISIS:
I don't care about their humor

theoldpretender:


Africans kept slaves long before the whites came in.

One of the earliest archeologic discoveries in Nigeria is the tomb of an Igbo king...who was buried around 900CE. He was buried...with lots of his slaves.

There was also the story of an Igala princess, who sacrified herself by being buried alive...so that her father could win a war...with her slaves.

Selling slaves was just a means of getting revenues to among other things....defend African empires and territories.

(Note...we Africans did not live in nice peaceful territories...we fought wars well well).

We also sold slaves to the Arabs too by the way...and Arabs too led slave raids.

The difference between African and American slavery...slaves in Africa could own land, property and could also becomeintegrated members of the community. But....second class. And they could be freed too.

Diso60090:
Fear who nor fear igbo people from A/Z no one good na their blood the thing dey

HomeOfMe:
Slave trade was practiced in most parts of Nigeria. If you research history,you'd see it.

modaink333:
please make it shorter ,I can't read such books

emmyid:


Slavery existed before the coming of the whites. I guess you didn't read the article. Kings had slaves, a King without a Slave wasn't a real King. Those captured during wars were turned slaves.

Bsuedu:


Yes, things were really bad. Jim Crow South ( Virginia, Mississippi, Alabama) was about as worse as it could get. My grandmother told me about the Klan riding up and taking men out to be hung. My mom wasnt allowed to go to school and had to drink out of designated water fountains. My parents also talked about havin to ride in the back of the bus.
But thanks to their perserverance, determination, and hard work, my family are able to have a good life now.

musicwriter:


Whoever wrote this have his/her brain damaged. Slavery happened by coercion, kidnapping, fraud, war. If your ancestors participated in it that was because he was coerced to do what he didn't like in order to save his kingdom from invasion or to save his business. Our kings were given such conditions- to choose between their lives or be part of slavery. Of course, many chose to die fighting against it. Queen Nzinga of Namibia comes to mind. This leader fought the Portuguese to standstill and refused to surrender her domain to slavery. It was only after her defeat that they had their way.

Anybody who knows this fellow should ask him/her; how many slaves did your ancestor sell before the arrival of the Europeans? To whom?

Anybody interested should see the true history of slavery and slave acquisition in Africa http://www.africason.com/2016/03/the-true-history-of-slavery-and-slave.html

royalamour:
Her great grand father was extremely wicked.
He had the heart to sell his own people for money and they gave him a chieftancy title for that?

To what end was the church he built?

Idiot!

musicwriter:


If someone ''could own land, property and could also become integrated members of the community'' then he/she wasn't a slave in the same way we have come to know slavery. In Africa, till today, there exists what we call apprenticeship, whereby people serve under a master, and this's an old practice. It is not called slavery.

Yes, there were captives held as prisoners of war and probably looked down upon in society, but that was all there's to that. They were not ''traded'' as commodity from a seller to a buyer.

Its interesting you mentioned Arabs. Both the Arabs and Europeans brought these practices to us when our lands were invaded. There were no ''buying and selling'' of human beings among Africans before the arrival of either the Arabs or Europeans. The slavery I am talking about is buying and selling of human beings before the arrival of the Arabs and Europeans. That's what I want to know. How did Africans buy and sell slaves before the arrival of the Arabs and Europeans? To whom did we sell the slaves to? That's what I want to know.

EasterDell:


"Brain Damage"... Your very choice of words expose the bile in you. Ok now let me add some good old sense to your deranged thinking!

A lion does not pity a goat, when he wants to eat... A human does not spare the chicken when hungry! That's the beauty of nature! Don't be weak, or you will pay the price dearly!
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The white man owes no apologies for dominating, enslaving and coercing you to do their economic bidding! They where clearly superior and if your lazy, unitintlligent, tree worshipping ancestors did what they were supposed to do, history would be different!

But noooo, they did nothing, and even today their children are still doing nothing!

Blacks were backwards and useless in ancient times, couldn't read, write, build anything meaningful!... Sadly enough they are still very useless today! Look at the whole of black Africa! a disgrace to the international community, corruption, diseases always blaming and begging people!

The black man owes himself some good dose of self respect, man up and be serious! No body owes you nothing! Lead well, study hard and build cities, technologies to dominate others!

theoldpretender:


Quickly answering....Africans did buy and sell slaves to themselves. Slaves were war captives, or even people expelled from their communities.
The Europeans and Arabs were just another market.

To use a "poor' example....a certain Nigerian was kidnapped in the late 19th century...from what is now Kogi state,and sold off somewhere to an 'owner' in what is NOW oyo state. He was a slave for 20 years, before he got free, converted to Chirstianity., and returned home to preach to his people. (He eventually went on to work with..not for... a white missionary as a preacher ).

On a side note...we did have some forms of currency before the Europeans....gold, manillas,cowries, etc.

HomeOfMe:
The slave trade didn't happen in Nigeria alone. Ghana,republic of Benin,ivory coast,sierra Leone,etc.

theoldpretender:


The black man in North America...the US and Canada ...still does have some issues with racisim (eg racial profiling, bad police treatment, poor schools, etc) but things as I said are better than they were in say the 1930's (when blacks could be lynched for flimsy reasons).

I should add that when I say things are better.....I usually throw in a lot of caveats. But that one na another long tori.

South America and Central America...hmm. In the US...you can see black faces on US TV shows. On telenovelas from South American countries with a large black population...zero (Even PLACES LIKE BRAZIL!)

theoldpretender:


If your great grandad had been caught as a slave...God forbid

1.You might have not existed because he would have died in the ship enroute to the Americas.

2.Most slaves ended up in what is now South America. Millions did end up in North America.

3.If your grandad ended up in South America...chances are you would be living in a favella...where life is just as cheap as it is in Nigeria (Police brutality, violent drug gangs, etc).

4.If your grandad ended up in US or Canada....good. You have a high chance of living in a violent, drug ridden, gang ridden neighbourhood. And most blacks are victims of crime...commited by other blacks.

5.There is also a chance you might end up living in a higher level of life...if your ancestor got educated...or played sports brilliantly..

6.Is it worth allowing your ancestors suffer years of discrimination, often violent, just so that you can call yourself an American.

7. Black slaves were never sent to Australia. (The black Australian or Aboriginie is the original owner of that land. There are Africans there...but those are recent legal immigrants. Plus, Australia had a No Black Immigrant policy till 1968).

8. ThaNK God your ancestors were not sent to Argentina...to be used as cannon fodder in the wars of independence that wracked Argentina in the 19th century. Most blacks died in those wars...that, and massive whites only immigration, is why Argentina has less than 100000 black people.(once upon a time it was half the populaiton).

musicwriter:


If someone ''could own land, property and could also become integrated members of the community'' then he/she wasn't a slave in the same way we have come to know slavery. In Africa, till today, there exists what we call apprenticeship, whereby people serve under a master, and this's an old practice. It is not called slavery.

Yes, there were captives held as prisoners of war and probably looked down upon in society, but that was all there's to that. They were not ''traded'' as commodity from a seller to a buyer.

Its interesting you mentioned Arabs. Both the Arabs and Europeans brought these practices to us when our lands were invaded. There were no ''buying and selling'' of human beings among Africans before the arrival of either the Arabs or Europeans. The slavery I am talking about is buying and selling of human beings before the arrival of the Arabs and Europeans. That's what I want to know. How did Africans buy and sell slaves before the arrival of the Arabs and Europeans? To whom did we sell the slaves to? That's what I want to know.

EasterDell:


"Brain Damage"... Your very choice of words expose the bile in you. Ok now let me add some good old sense to your deranged thinking!

A lion does not pity a goat, when he wants to eat... A human does not spare the chicken when hungry! That's the beauty of nature! Don't be weak, or you will pay the price dearly!
.
.
.

The white man owes no apologies for dominating, enslaving and coercing you to do their economic bidding! They where clearly superior and if your lazy, unitintlligent, tree worshipping ancestors did what they were supposed to do, history would be different!

But noooo, they did nothing, and even today their children are still doing nothing!

Blacks were backwards and useless in ancient times, couldn't read, write, build anything meaningful!... Sadly enough they are still very useless today! Look at the whole of black Africa! a disgrace to the international community, corruption, diseases always blaming and begging people!

The black man owes himself some good dose of self respect, man up and be serious! No body owes you nothing! Lead well, study hard and build cities, technologies to dominate others!

baby124:
Lack of creative ability led her to write this nonsense in the New Yorker. Yes, there were instances like this. But involvement of foreigners fueled transatlantic slave trade. Many many cultures in the world buried their dead with slaves. Even South America had slaves who were buried with monarchs and they did a lot of head hunting. So don’t go on New Yorker to write patronizing articles which in the long run racists are looking for to justify their actions and absolve their ancestors who preyed on old practices guided by rules.

Whites injected materialism into the process and made it absolutely foul. Africans never ever treated their slaves like animals till the whites taught them how to treat their slaves like animals. Those heavy chains and weapons of torture were not forged by Africans but by White people. Slaves were like indentured servants who reintegrated into society mostly. Most of the slaves captured when the greed got High were regular people trying to go about their daily lives! Also the Africans did not have an idea of the fate that was meted out to the salves sold. It was absolutely horrendous and most of them died in transit. Had they known, things may just have been different.

Nowenuse:


As much as I'd like to be happy about this comment of yours vindicating Africans, I can see how the current crop of Africans today still sell each other for the same material gains. Are our leaders not selling the future of the masses for their own personal gains?

The most painful of them all are the Human traffickers who defraud and deceive their fellow Africans with the promise of a good life in Europe, only to trick them into the hands of Libyans to sell them off. It's so pathetic!

I highly doubt that even though the fate of the slaves in the new world has been made known to their African sellers, it wouldn't have made any difference to the sellers. Afterall, these same slaves were used for human sacrifice in many places by their masters.

The writer also made very clear the heavy chains her father used for his slaves.

Bsuedu:
To Baby124,

You make a really good point in your posts, I wondered why the author decided to go the route of The New Yorker. As you said, that this narrative is somewhat different from other tribes, mainstream America will not see it that way. Racists and others will use this narrative to justify their own ancestors involvement in slavery.

I will add I did learn somethings from the comments here.

Nowenuse:


@theoldpretender. I think this person above is very very correct. Africans never traded slaves with each other before the Arabs or Europeans came.

The Arabs/Europeans took great advantage of our naivety and unexposure. Now they make it look like slavery was all our fault and they were just innocent passersby who were enticed/offered some slaves to purchase.

As an African, the only blame I think we fully deserve was the human sacrifice of enslaved people. We and the native Americans were the only group of people to really have practiced this inhuman act for millenia.

ELKHALIFAISIS:
my great grandpa really fvckup he would have give up and allow slave sellers to capture them... I would by now be a black America or black Australian... what use am I been a Nigerian abeg make them come sell me to New Zealand this Nigeria don tire me under sai Barber terrorist

....don't worry, you are still an inferior OSU wawa jew nah.

Best case scenario: you are still very much a slave to your fellow FLATMATES. Shebi you wan be slave

Realistically- a slave to the Afonjas you abuse all day long

Nowenuse:


You made salient points above I must confess. But for you to completely underrate, Ignore and rubbish the achievements of past african empires is what I would not accept.
The Mongols once ruled half of the world, how great are they today? They are a small minority in China almost absorbed and have another landlocked insignificant country btw China & Russia.
Arabs once ruled and conquered even parts of Europe. How great are they today?

Will you just throw away the numerous past Kingdoms and Empires of Africa like Mali, Abbysinia, Nubia, Kush, Askum, Songhai, Ghana, Benin, Kanem-bornu, Ancient Egypt etc as Africans always being backward?

The Greeks once ruled the world, today they are the economic embarrassment of Europe.

Assyrians were once a world power, today they are a small almost ethnically cleansed minority in the Arab world.

Empires and kingdoms rise and fall and times change.

emssecca:
I suspect some racist europeans are on this forum poising as Africans. Thereby using this forum to help spread self-hate, misinformation and fake history about Africans. Africans started civilisation but the europeans came and supplanted it, then colonised it. Ancient Africans never saw the world as something to subdue but something to learn from. If Africans are so dumb I challenge all europeans to stop meddling in our affairs through covert or overt means and leave us alone to our devices and see what we come up with. Even when our corrupt presidents, whom are european puppets want to hide stolen money in your european banks please refuse and send it back to the African country. Also if our corrupt leaders want to get treated in your hospitals send these leaders back to be treated back in their home countries. Stop selling them weapons. Stop bribing them through fake 'aid' money, commonwealth(a.k.a british empire), IMF, world bank, white elephant projects etc and let us see who will come out tops! And African men we need to wake up and know our history and current affairs. The other day french president came to Naija and we were dancing and laughing with him while he is reponsible for killing, raping and massacaring southern camerounians as I type this!

flyca:

Did you see "Nigeria" anywhere in my comment?

MartinCorridon:


....don't worry, you are still an inferior OSU wawa jew nah.

Best case scenario: you are still very much a slave to your fellow FLATMATES. Shebi you wan be slave

Realistically- a slave to the Afonjas you abuse all day long

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ELKHALIFAISIS:
slave have taken over Lagos deal with it ntoor

HomeOfMe:
Take a chill pill,I ain't fighting with no one..,you only live once,life isn't that complicated,God bless you.