dayokanu:

What the French players did was a disgrace to the game. Refusing to train is bad.

You are in SOuth Africa to represent your country and not Domenech. Dummyneck was entrusted by the whole nation to lead the team, So rebellion to Domeneck who represents the country is like disrespect to your country.

eldee:

Do you just skim through posts?? You were trying to teach me how to use English and I corrected you and you're still clutching straws.
Go check up the definition yourself and stop trying to forcefully assert that my use of words is wrong.

This is pure B.S . . . players have been going on strike since the 60s, sometimes over pay.
Players have been going on strike since 1909. . . it's not something that's just started.
Any small thing and you guys blame it on the money in football, players have been going on strike since the days they earned £20 per week.

And it's not a 'norm', if it were, we wouldn't be discussing it on every World Cup thread.

Now what has the strike solved?? Well, it has exposed the inefficiency of the French Football Federation.
And they are the ones that should get majority of the blame for still keeping Domenech there . . . and the way they let a press trial guide their actions.
You cannot see these simple things but you prefer to go around throwing words like 'malaise', 'norm' . . . abeg dust your football documentaries and get an informed view madam.

For me, Evra has acted like a skipper should; they have not held anybody to ransom, rather they've taken a stand and are sticking to it - nothing wrong with that! Tell me which player wouldn't want to have a skipper than will stand up and defend him no matter what!

mbulela:

guy,
no need for the insults.
In no way is your view more informed that mine.
I hear your opinion but i am still not convinced that Anelka can be defended for his verbal volleys directed at Domenech (which is one of the factors the players' revolt, according to them).
These boys are spoilt brats and that silly revolt in support of Anelka  is wrong and does not solve the Domenech problem in any way.

Anelka abused Domenech - FFF doesn't investigate, Domenech doesn't formally lodge a complaint (which, for me, is fishy in itself because am sure he is hiding something). . . . yet Anelka is told to leave camp. How do we know for sure that Anelka abused Domenech? How do we know for sure that Domenech on his part didn't do or say anything to incite Nico? Questions nobody has asked, yet they proceed to punish based on hearsay! This Domenech-FFF romance stinks highly & mightily!

eldee:

Aunty, I didn't mean to insult you, I'm sorry if I did . . . but I don't get your point at all.

What I'm saying is that . . . bringing money into this situation is totally out of place, it has nothing to do with this.
There have always been influential players even before money came into football, and there have always been strikes.

The issue here is, were they wrong, maybe . . . but they shouldn't take all the blame, the FFF should take majority.

Anelka abused Domenech - FFF doesn't investigate, Domenech doesn't formally lodge a complaint (which, for me, is fishy in itself because am sure he is hiding something). . . . yet Anelka is told to leave camp. How do we know for sure that Anelka abused Domenech? How do we know for sure that Domenech on his part didn't do or say anything to incite Nico? Questions nobody has asked, yet they proceed to punish based on hearsay! This Domenech-FFF romance stinks highly & mightily!

tkb417:



edit your post; why shd a coach seek for permission from the federation b4 he takes actions

i didnt know Capello asked the English FA b4 he took Terrys armband

or did Terry sleep with Bridges babe in front of Capello?
or did the FA do any investigation to know if Capello acted in good faith

bro, the dude verbally abused the caoch and no one has said anything otherwise

tkb417:

hehehehe

aunty Mbulela

hehe; no mind eldee

The lawyer in him is at work


eldee, ki lon sele jare

free my guy o. Mbulela is ma person abeg

mbulela:

i tire for the guy.
him just dey call me aunty, aunty all over the place.
Eldee na my man sha.
only say him just dey support rascality and irresponsibility.
FFF bad and dey inept, i gree.
but how that one come make Anelka and Evra support correct thing?

mbulela:

guy, i no be aunty o!
No one said they should take all the blame.
it is a documented fact that FFF has presided over this utter crap and Domenech should have been fired at least 2 years ago.
That does not in any way justify that silly strike.
You still have not answered the Anelka issue,because it was central to the strike.

I do not dispute the fact that their has been strikes since ages past.
my point is that this particular one was senseless and it is symptomatic of the spoilt tendencies of modern day footballers.Who are mostly nothing but spoilt brats.
Their sense of entitlement is not in any way directly proportional to their talent.

tkb417:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/world_cup_2010/8752612.stm

same thing happened between Muntari and his coach

eldee:

Rajevac apparently wanted to send Muntari home, but was dissuaded after a plea from captain Stephen Appiah.
The Ghanaian Football Association said he had been "accordingly reprimanded".
"We wish to state that Sulley Muntari reacted angrily and in a manner that was offensive to the team's code of conduct in the aftermath of Ghana's game against Australia," the GFA said in a statement.

"He was accordingly reprimanded for his behaviour with[b] the player explaining that his actions were borne out of his frustration by the team's inability to record a win.[/b]"

eldee:

^^^^^^^^^^^

You see what I was saying about initial reaction and the coach managing the team himself??

Here . . . the coach, not the FA wanted to send Muntari home, the captain reacted by pleading on his behalf.
It was already handled in-house, and the FA had to respect the manager's decision.

Evra probably pleaded on Anelka's behalf before the FFF bypassed Domenech and sent Anelka home based on newspaper evidence.
Even Domenech didn't like the FFF's interference, and the strike was just an initial reaction.

mbulela:

you have forced me back again.
using the Muntari case as an example.
I wish to make a few points;
Stephen Appiah apologised to the coach on behalf of Muntari and probably the entire team.
Muntari showed remorse afterwards (and i can even stretch it to say he apologised).
Evra did not apologise (that has not been a part of any of the accounts we have heard).
Anelka vehemently refused to apologise.
FFF did not act without Domenech's consent and the action was only taken after Anelka refused to apologise.
Domenech is on record saying he supports the action of FFF as he considers his position in the team untenable.

eldee:

That's another problem . . . we don't know if they apologised or not.
You're acting on what the press said . . . stories get twisted to sell papers. Evra said the press got it all wrong, we can't know if he is telling the truth because the FFF, like you, got all their information from the same newspapers.
If no one apologised, Domenech wouldn't have gone to criticise the actions taken by the FFF.

In my opinion, if at all a player says sumn wrong and refuses to apologise, it is Domenech's job to recommend that the player be sent home, not the FFF.
The doormat didn't even know Anelka had been sent home till the training session . . .

mbulela:

last time i checked, Domenech said he was fully in support of the FFF action.
How can FFF take action based on the press?
FFF are on the ground themselves.
FFF say Anelka was asked to apologise and he refused.

http://www.teamtalk.com/news/2483/6220071/Domenech-backs-Anelka-expulsion
http://www.cbc.ca/sports/soccer/fifaworldcup/france/story/2010/06/20/sp-worldcup-france-anelka-domenech.html

mbulela:

How can FFF take action based on the press?

eldee:

As I said, Domenech is a silly doormat . . . here is what he said before it blew into sumn bigger

"It was not a confrontation," he told French television station TF1. "People cannot imagine the pressure. We are in a dressing room - the coach says something to a player who is already under pressure, he can react angrily, and with strong words.

"He did not react in the most suitable fashion, but it was just a guy sitting in his corner and muttering - that would not have mattered had it stayed there.

"What was important was that it made the front page of a newspaper, and that exposes the internal life of the squad. I sorted out the problem internally, and as far as I was concerned it was done and dusted.

The FFF only came in after the press reported it, that's when it became a national issue.
Left to Domenech, it was 'done and dusted' . . . but when the FFF came in, he started demanding an apology.
This is what got the players annoyed. . . it was a normal dressing room thing, till it leaked to the press, the FFF didn't even know till L'Equipe reported.

Oh, so you find that surprising too?? That's exactly what the players were annoyed at.
The Anelka incident was a dressing room incident, FFF officials don't come to the dressing room . . . Evra said sumone leaked it to the press, and Domenech said it was done and dusted, the only source was the press and that got them pissed.

'It(FFF) has made a decision (to send Anelka home) without consulting all the players, on the basis of the facts reported by the press.' - Evra

mbulela:

Domenech said: "The sanction is justified and I support the federation.

"Nobody should behave in such a way. High level sportsmen have to lead by example."[/b]

Domenech said on the French television show Telefoot on Sunday that "I gave him the chance to come and talk and to say sorry" but that "he didn't want to and [b]that's why I went along" with the French soccer federation's decision to throw Anelka out.

Domenech added it was not "a personal problem between the coach and the player," but "a problem concerning the federation and the image of the French team."