Obainoneandonly:
let's strike a truthful conversation then.....since u dont believe in both,how then do u explain d handy work of a Voodooist person or an herberlist

HardMirror:
stories. Why do i call them stories. Bullet proof my ass.

Imagine the body gear policemen and the military use. Kevlar and other high impact absorbtion materials in use today, imagine they remain a mare hear-say like you voodoo... they are in use today and comapnies generate billions of dollars selling them annually around the world. Do you know why your bullet proof charm remains a story you guys share and it is not in vogue? Cos it does not work. Simple. If it works, it wont be a mystery. All mysteries or so called hidden knowledge are ALL lies! Everything that works from computer coding to nuclear power are all open to learn and apply the knowledge. Only fraudsters deal with mysteries.

hopefulLandlord:

I'm an Antitheist. I think belief in god(s) is harmful to the human race

hopefulLandlord:


I remember a challenge put out to believers in spiritual powers, telling them to come and demonstrate their power under strict supervision but all those powers fail. I wonder why

HardMirror:
abeg, where is that babalawos guy sef. Been ages i saw his post. Has he given up on fooling people here?

Obainoneandonly:
have you put d challenge to the native doctors..babalawos,dibias and co and see if theirs will fail

Obainoneandonly:
u make me laugh,I know u know what am talking, as a Yoruba man dat you are.. the signs are everywhere for you to see...voodoo wrks perfectly well,and its tested nd comfirmed.....deny it all you want,but the issue still stands

HardMirror:
i was once a christian and i know many christians. NOTHING happens when you pray. It is all in your head.

hopefulLandlord:


@bolded so it's not certain OP finds him despite all the "non stop prayers"?

Obainoneandonly:
have you put d challenge to the native doctors..babalawos,dibias and co and see if theirs will fail

HardMirror:
of cos i know what you are talking about. During ife and modakeke conflict they were using chicken eggs as bombs. But guess what? It was all stories. Where are the chicken egg bombs? The explosives industry is a multibillion dollar industry and an african man claims they were blowing up buildings with chicken eggs. Where are the eggs? Just demonstrating this alone can make me a millionaire instantly. There are people willing to pay good money to just see a demonstration and more money to have samples to take back to their lab and study. If an exploding egg exists i wld buy it from the babalawo and sell to a laboratory in the United states for nothing less than $50million. Fact!

All these things are pure beer parlour gossip

amaniro:

why I said so, ironically most people can't find him in church cause he's not there. Because the church have gone astray from God's plan.

Obainoneandonly:
beer parlour gossip u say,but they are real...I know people like you will be very difficult to convince,even if d evidences are so glaring to your face

Obainoneandonly:
beer parlour gossip u say,but they are real...I know people like you will be very difficult to convince,even if d evidences are so glaring to your face

HardMirror:
i said dont convince me. You know they are real. Go and make yourself some money. How hard is that?

HardMirror:
you snake and liar! Where did you mention church before? Were you not talking about your special prayer group? You guys think we are daft or what?!

hopefulLandlord:


What sense have you made on this thread? what input have you given so far?

HardMirror:
and you mr christian, what has been your contribution?

Amberon11:
A perfect response from a good Christian brother was given above. Please what is your business with this thread ? Where atheists invited?

HardMirror:
point me to the response please

Obainoneandonly:
I know they
are real. If I can see you face to face,I will show it to you firsthand how it works......are you up for the challenge

Amberon11:
You saw my response and didn't see his?

HardMirror:
so you prefer to show me instead of those that would pay to see these things? You think i have not seen enough bullshiit already? Lol. You are a joker

hopefulLandlord:


he couldn't take the heat

I'm sure he succeeded in fleecing most of these Yahoo boys but atheists spoil him show

Obainoneandonly:
you d real joker.knowing d truth and denying it..
why would I want to sell it,just to prove its existence. when it's all documented and confirmed .....anybody dat want it should seek it,not d oda way round

HardMirror:
you keep saying 'truth' truth that cant be presented to the world? Anything shrouded by men aint truth, they are lies. Have you ever heard that any scientist or news agency was given access to study these so called charms in action? Lol. Keep fooling yourself

Obainoneandonly:
off to work.will continue this conversation in the evening....please endeavor to b here, because I will b coming with hard proof

HardMirror:
what is God? Define what you mean by God


[b] n monotheistic thought, God is conceived of as the Supreme Being and the principal object of faith.[3] The concept of God, as described by theologians, commonly includes the attributes of omniscience (all-knowing), omnipotence (unlimited power), omnipresence (present everywhere), and as having an eternal and necessary existence. Depending on one’s kind of theism, these attributes are used either in way of analogy, or in a literal sense as distinct properties of the God.

God is most often held to be incorporeal (immaterial).[3][4][5] Incorporeity and corporeity of God are related to conceptions of transcendence (being outside nature) and immanence (being in nature, in the world) of God, with positions of synthesis such as the "immanent transcendence".

Some religions describe God without reference to gender, while others use masculine terminology, using such terms as "Him" or "Father," and some religions (such as Judaism) attribute only a purely grammatical "gender" to God.[6]

God has been conceived as either personal or impersonal. In theism, God is the creator and sustainer of the universe, while in deism, God is the creator, but not the sustainer, of the universe. In pantheism, God is the universe itself. In atheism, God is not believed to exist. In agnosticism, the existence of God is deemed unknown or unknowable. God has also been conceived as the source of all moral obligation, and the "greatest conceivable existent".[3] Many notable philosophers have developed arguments for and against the existence of God.[7]

Monotheists refer to their gods using names prescribed by their respective religions, with some of these names referring to certain cultural ideas about their god's identity and attributes. In the ancient Egyptian era of Atenism, possibly the earliest recorded monotheistic religion, this deity was called Aten,[8] premised on being the one "true" Supreme Being and creator of the universe.[9] In the Hebrew Bible and Judaism, "He Who Is", "I Am that I Am", and the tetragrammaton YHWH (Hebrew: יהוה‎, traditionally interpreted as "I am who I am"; "He Who Exists" are used as names of God, while Yahweh and Jehovah are sometimes used in Christianity as vocalizations of YHWH. In the Christian doctrine of the Trinity, God, consubstantial in three persons, is called the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. In Judaism, it is common to refer to God by the titular names Elohim or Adonai. In Islam, the name Allah is used, while Muslims also have a multitude of titular names for God. In Hinduism, Brahman is often considered a monistic concept of God.[10] In Chinese religion, God (Shangdi) is conceived as the progenitor (first ancestor) of the universe, intrinsic to it and constantly ordaining it. Other religions have names for God, for instance, Baha in the Bahá'í Faith,[11] Waheguru in Sikhism,[12] and Ahura Mazda in Zoroastrianism.[13]

The many different conceptions of God, and competing claims as to God's characteristics, aims, and actions, have led to the development of ideas of omnitheism, pandeism,[14] or a perennial philosophy, which postulates that there is one underlying theological truth, of which all religions express a partial understanding, and as to which "the devout in the various great world religions are in fact worshipping that one God, but through different, overlapping concepts or mental images of Him." [/b]


So what really is God and which God are we talking about?

HardMirror:
Hurray!!! Time for us to make some money! At last we have someone who has all the evidences we need

Chuphy:


I'm not really into any argument on whether God exist or not but maybe u just want to play on some Christians intelligence, which for u could be fun.
I know u believe scientists as every of their proof have evidence but permit me to ask u questions that make Scientists believe There must be a superior being controlling the earth.
1.How did the universe emerge/Start
2.Now universe comprises The earth which we call system in thermodynamics, and its surroundings which include other planets,The atmosphere, Underneath the earth. The question is who and how did this things exist.
3.Science does not believe anything can exist without a reference point hence they resulted in calling anything that is origin/beginning can not be traced as Nature.
4.Sorry for this it can be proved biologically that ur parents gave birth to u can it be proved biologically how the first human exist,if u say from apes how did the first ape exist if u say from decay plants how did the plants exist,if u say from the .mixture of soil and water, how did the world come about soil and water?
5.my point is if u trace the existence of anything u see in the universe to its origin, u will come to a point where the research on its origin enters metaphysical,that is the same problem Quantum physics is having today, they had to conclude at a point that everything they thought was physical wasn't now they ended up believing the existence of a spiritual world.
6.Out of curiosity some atheist launched a research into the spiritual world starting from the practice of witchcraft and magic in times of old but they still can't explain the origin of this spiritual world.
7.I am a scientist that likes reading only comments on naira land to laugh .this is actually my first comment.
8.Just take this submissions from me.The word ORIGIN is actually the practical meaning of GOD.
whatever u trace its origin and u get to a point u can no longer trace further that point where u stopped is where u ask urself.
9.yes I'm sure this world didn't just exist someone must have instituted it.plants,humans,animals sands,water can't just exist someone must have instituted it,
10.Now who is this person with no point of reference/origin, who is this person that was there at the START ,who is this person that was there b4 the use of TIME when the world recorded its first date.01-01-01.
thanks Read and share. my signature.
JUSTIN

HardMirror:
what do you mean by "WHO"? Must the creator be a person?

hopefulLandlord:
Really? are you sure about this claim you just made?
Can you tell how how history proved this because from where I stand history has disproven many spiritual claims of the past. even the holy bible of Jewish mythology said sicknesses are caused by demons and spirits but we now know better. History has been extinguishing spiritual claims by uncountable numbers. so many things people said spiritual superpowers were behind in the past have been unraveled and no spirits were found so I have no idea what history you're referring to in your claim sir
also There are atheists that believe in the spiritual but still call god ideas bullsheet. believing a particular "world" exists doesn't automatically mean any claims made about that world true. That one believes New York is real doesn't mean one must accept Spiderman is real. that one believes USA is real doesn't mean one must accept David Palmer and Jack Bauer are real
Aren't you pulling a fallacy called "Argumentum ad Ignorantiam"?

hopefulLandlord:
Really? are you sure about this claim you just made?
Can you tell how how history proved this because from where I stand history has disproven many spiritual claims of the past. even the holy bible of Jewish mythology said sicknesses are caused by demons and spirits but we now know better. History has been extinguishing spiritual claims by uncountable numbers. so many things people said spiritual superpowers were behind in the past have been unraveled and no spirits were found so I have no idea what history you're referring to in your claim sir
also There are atheists that believe in the spiritual but still call god ideas bullsheet. believing a particular "world" exists doesn't automatically mean any claims made about that world true. That one believes New York is real doesn't mean one must accept Spiderman is real. that one believes USA is real doesn't mean one must accept David Palmer and Jack Bauer are real
Aren't you pulling a fallacy called "Argumentum ad Ignorantiam"?