Analissa:

i thought i'd seen it all and then this comes along smh.

You ain't seen nothing yet.

Analissa:

@poster

1. The declaration of independence declared America to be a secular state. i.e has no religion

You need to understand the meaning of the separation of Church and State, it does not mean that you cannot practise your religion it means that you have the freedom to practise it without the State infringing on your rights, but secular humanists (which is a religious movement) have taken advantage of this provision to ban religious activities like prayers, the Ten Commandments etc from State buildings and institutions and even public education, thinking that is what a secular Government means.

Analissa:

2. America was formed by settlers from Britain. And while there isn't any conclusive proof, Britain is seen as the origin of Christianity. At least they were the ones to bring it to America and Africa.

Do you know where Christopher Columbus came from?  For your information, Christianity did not originate from Britain and they were not the first to spread it to Africa the Jews did.

Analissa:

3. Saying we are equal 'historically' is wish washy it doesn't give any proof. I should also point out at the same time that history should be fact, not coming from the Bible.

If you want to know about historical facts on the universe and all its contains then the Bible is your best bet. It was inspired by the One who was there in the beginning when He created heaven and earth.  There you will read about our ancestors, Adam, the first man and Eve, the mother of all living and consequently Noah from whom the earth spread after the flood.  It is either you believe the words of God your Creator or the words of sinful men who where not there at the beginning of creation.

Analissa:

4. If darwinism is to be believed we all evolved together so of course we would be equal. your arguement isnt solid.

You wouldn't want to believe what Darwin thought of the "black race" or even the female gender if you read his sayings.  He believes and claims that your ancestors are baboons and am sure if I call you a baboon you will feel that I insulted you.

Analissa:

5. There is no 'underlying' docement. The rights of equality was based on morality. As shocking as it seems to believers non-believers do have morals you know. you dont have to believe in God to know that discrimination is wrong.

Where does absolute morality come from?  Adam the first man was created in God's image and we have inherited this image even though it has been tainted by sin we still have some traces of morality that we got from God and that is why God left us a witness in His Testament in the Ten Commandments that reminds us of what God had written in our hardware, that is the reason your conscience will remind you or alert you of the right and wrong things you are doing even though we consciously try to muffle it by our wrong ideologies. The Scriptures are the underlying document that American founding fathers based their constitution on.

Analissa:

Using the same analogy you have used i will explain why his rules are flouted. Imagine having a nameless, faceless government that noone has ever seen or spoken to (at least verifiably) now imagine this phanthom government puts a rule into place with no way of enforcing it and then gives vague promises of jail should you break the rule. Now tell me what would anyone do? especially when the rules some of the rules are ridiculous and serving little or no purpose. We will break it time and time again. and with reason too.

The only difference between God and this phanthom government is that God is purported to have created the earth. A claim with no basis i might add. And yet you wonder why people say screw consequences?

The only reason a thief would not see a law enforcement officer when he or she is about to embark on stealing until the long arm of justice catches up with him it is then that he will have to face the consequence.  The fact that you cannot see God is not a good reason to conclude that He does not exist.  All the laws that affect nature and the universe are controlled by Him and He is the One who put the Moral Law in place and He is the reason why no one can escape the all seeing eyes of God because we would give account of all we did on Judgment Day, there is no escaping of that fact no matter what you decide to believe or not believe.  There is a Day of reckoning that is approaching and it is high time we made our way right before it is too late.

The Mother of all living.

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OLAADEGBU:

You need to understand the meaning of the separation of Church and State, it does not mean that you cannot practise your religion it means that you have the freedom to practise it without the State infringing on your rights, but secular humanists (which is a religious movement) have taken advantage of this provision to ban religious activities like prayers, the Ten Commandments etc from State buildings and institutions and even public education, thinking that is what a secular Government means.

No secular government means exactly this: the government is seperate from the state and as such should not be mixed with things that concern the state. e.g. schools.

OLAADEGBU:

Do you know where Christopher Columbus came from? For your information, Christianity did not originate from Britain and they were not the first to spread it to Africa the Jews did.

I know perfectly well that Christopher Columbus is italian (i did do world civilization in school) but Columbus was merely the one to create awareness. If we are being technical, the vikings discovered America long before Columbus and these are the same vikings that dominate British heritage. Britain dominated America since 1583 when Walter Rayleigh created Virginia. Britain brought both civilization and christianity to America. Prior to them, it was native indians worshipping the sun or whatever
So why were they worshipping sango before the British colonization? Jews brought Judaism which was soundly rejected (egypt case in point) and is still rejected by the majority of Africans.

OLAADEGBU:

If you want to know about historical facts on the universe and all its contains then the Bible is your best bet. It was inspired by the One who was there in the beginning when He created heaven and earth. There you will read about our ancestors, Adam, the first man and Eve, the mother of all living and consequently Noah from whom the earth spread after the flood. It is either you believe the words of God your Creator or the words of sinful men who where not there at the beginning of creation.

Says who? Christians thats who! all you're saying isnt historical, its biblical (in other words questionable)

OLAADEGBU:

You wouldn't want to believe what Darwin thought of the "black race" or even the female gender if you read his sayings. He believes and claims that your ancestors are baboons and am sure if I call you a baboon you will feel that I insulted you.

I never claimed to believe Darwinism note that i said "If darwinism is to be believed" but even if i did i'd rather think that my ancestors while being primates were strong enough to survive the survival of the fittest and evolve into such beautiful creatures as me rather than believe in a vengeful, murderous God who created me solely for his amusement. and as i look nothing like one i couldnt care less what i descended from.

OLAADEGBU:

Where does absolute morality come from? Adam the first man was created in God's image and we have inherited this image even though it has been tainted by sin we still have some traces of morality that we got from God and that is why God left us a witness in His Testament in the Ten Commandments that reminds us of what God had written in our hardware, that is the reason your conscience will remind you or alert you of the right and wrong things you are doing even though we consciously try to muffle it by our wrong ideologies. The Scriptures are the underlying document that American founding fathers based their constitution on.

Absolute morality as you say to me comes from our inate sense of right and wrong, our conscience. Now why do we have consciences? i truthfully don't know. I have theories but nothing conclusive but i see no reason why we should name every gap in our knowledge God. I don't know the capital of Vietnam but i sure as hell wont conclude that it must be the work of God. You say the scriptures are the underlying document but have no tenable proof besides the fact that you conclude conscience should come from God. Logic doesnt work that way

OLAADEGBU:

The only reason a thief would not see a law enforcement officer when he or she is about to embark on stealing until the long arm of justice catches up with him it is then that he will have to face the consequence. The fact that you cannot see God is not a good reason to conclude that He does not exist. All the laws that affect nature and the universe are controlled by Him and He is the One who put the Moral Law in place and He is the reason why no one can escape the all seeing eyes of God because we would give account of all we did on Judgment Day, there is no escaping of that fact no matter what you decide to believe or not believe. There is a Day of reckoning that is approaching and it is high time we made our way right before it is too late.

Of course not, that will be ignorance. But people dont conclude that just because they cannot see him, they conclude that because there is no proof for his existence and any proof put forward by Christians can mostly be explained by science. You dont have to see sunrays to see and feel its effect. You don't have to see the wind to see and feel its effect. There is no arguement in the rest of that quote.

Analissa:

No secular government means exactly this: the government is seperate from the state and as such should not be mixed with things that concern the state. e.g. schools.

Whatever office you occupy in the Government should not deprive you of your religious beliefs, it should guide you in carrying out your job conscienciously. It does not mean that you cannot pray before doing your job or that you cannot use your biblical influence in making important decisions. I know that people keep their faith in the back burner during the week and only dust it when it is time for church service. There is nothing stopping prayers in the educational, industrial, health or Government institutions as the secular humanists will not like to see. When our politicians depend on God and His Word to guide the nation the population would rejoice.

Analissa:

I know perfectly well that Christopher Columbus is italian (i did do world civilization in school) but Columbus was merely the one to create awareness. If we are being technical, the vikings discovered America long before Columbus and these are the same vikings that dominate British heritage. Britain dominated America since 1583 when Walter Rayleigh created Virginia. Britain brought both civilization and christianity to America. Prior to them, it was native indians worshipping the sun or whatever
So why were they worshipping sango before the British colonization? Jews brought Judaism which was soundly rejected (egypt case in point) and is still rejected by the majority of Africans.

Thanks for the information, now let's try to understand that Christians undergoing persecution had to escape to America to form a nation under God as evidenced in their declaration of independence. Their liberty was to be under God's Law, they were free to worship God and this freedom also allowed other faiths to practise their faith without Government intervention until the secular humanists came to sabotage this provision to remove God's Word from the institutions even the military chaplains are not allowed to use the name of Jesus in their prayers. And it must be stressed that the disciples of Jesus Christ who were Jews were the ones who spread Christianity to Africa via Ethiopia and north Africa until the Muslims overpowered them by force just as the socialists are doing to the U.S. today.

Analissa:

Says who? Christians thats who! all you're saying isnt historical, its biblical (in other words questionable)

The bible is not just historical of the origins of the universe and of life it is accurate on current and future events, that is why it is fresher than tomorrow's newspaper.

Analissa:

I never claimed to believe Darwinism note that i said "If darwinism is to be believed" but even if i did i'd rather think that my ancestors while being primates were strong enough to survive the survival of the fittest and evolve into such beautiful creatures as me rather than believe in a vengeful, murderous God who created me solely for his amusement. and as i look nothing like one i couldnt care less what i descended from.

I can see that you have made the conscious decision to believe the lies of the evolutionists even though they have no clues as to where we originated from. Your decision will determine your destiny.

Analissa:

Absolute morality as you say to me comes from our inate sense of right and wrong, our conscience. Now why do we have consciences? i truthfully don't know. I have theories but nothing conclusive but i see no reason why we should name every gap in our knowledge God. I don't know the capital of Vietnam but i sure as hell wont conclude that it must be the work of God. You say the scriptures are the underlying document but have no tenable proof besides the fact that you conclude conscience should come from God. Logic doesnt work that way

You have theories and conjectures which puts your feet on shaky grounds. It will be better for you to put your trust in the solid ground of the Word of God your Creator who put His Moral Law in your hardware (conscience) and it does not matter how much you try to silence it with your theories and presuppositions contrary to the alarm bells sounding in your conscience it will not change the fact of wrong and right. Many have silenced their consciences with their ideologies but the Word of God is the software that rekindles the conscience to what God has originally written therein. I know you will not say that you don't believe that a car you drive has no maker, that it just happened by chance, this is the logic we are talking about but it will be folly to ignore the owner's manual and decide to fill a petrol car with diesel because you feel like it.

Analissa:

Of course not, that will be ignorance. But people dont conclude that just because they cannot see him, they conclude that because there is no proof for his existence and any proof put forward by Christians can mostly be explained by science. You dont have to see sunrays to see and feel its effect. You don't have to see the wind to see and feel its effect. There is no arguement in the rest of that quote.

The proof of His existence to me is that I spoke to Him this morning. We have His Word and His World as witnessess to His existence and for that reason there is not excuse for ignorance on their part. I happy that you are not ignorant of the existence of God but you can give the evidence of God because of His handiwork, I have the evidence that you exist because you have the intelligence to post on this topic. The creatures of God are the evidence I need of the existence of the Creator, and if He created intelligence then He must have the supreme infinite intelligence above all.

OLAADEGBU:

Whatever office you occupy in the Government should not deprive you of your religious beliefs, it should guide you in carrying out your job conscienciously.  It does not mean that you cannot pray before doing your job or that you cannot use your biblical influence in making important decisions.  I know that people keep their faith in the back burner during the week and only dust it when it is time for church service.  There is nothing stopping prayers in the educational, industrial, health or Government institutions as the secular humanists will not like to see.  When our politicians depend on God and His Word to guide the nation the population would rejoice.

I just love this, Things I know People of faith would like to do while in office according to their beliefs.

Stone all Prostitutes, fornicators  to death. Bible & Koran.
Kill All Unbelievers                                        Bible & Koran.
Kill All Enemies of Allah/Yahweh                   Bible & Koran.

While you are on it Ola, Is it only Christians that can do according to their faith or can all and sundry do same?, no cartoons please!!!!

mrmayor:

I just love this, Things I know People of faith would like to do while in office according to their beliefs.

Stone all love-peddlers, fornicators to death. Bible & Koran.
Kill All Unbelievers Bible & Koran.
Kill All Enemies of Allah/Yahweh Bible & Koran.

While you are on it Ola, Is it only Christians that can do according to their faith or can all and sundry do same?, no cartoons please!!!!

Let me give you the Moral Law which you can only answer with your conscience, I believe you still have one even though you might have tried to silence it.

With a tender conscience, check this list of the Ten Commandments:

Have I always loved God my Creator with all my heart, mind, soul and strength? ____YES ___NO
Have I made a god in my own image? a god to suit myself? ____YES ___NO
Have I ever used God's name in vain? ____YES ___NO
Have I kept the Sabbath holy? ____YES ___NO
Have I always honoured my parents implicitly? ____YES ___NO
Have I murdered (God considers hatred as murder)? ____YES ___NO
Have I committed adultery (including premarital sex and lust)? ____YES ___NO
Have I stolen (the value is irrelevant)? ____YES ___NO
Have I lied (including fibs and these questions)? ____YES ___NO
Have I coveted (been greedy or materialistic)? ____YES ___NO

If you have even broken one Law, then you have sinned against God and therefore will "surely die," for the "wages of sin is death." (Death is the separation from God, either temporary or permanently)

We are all guilty of breaking the Commandments. Listen to the voice of your conscience, and let it remind you of some of the sins of the past. We are not perfect as we are commanded to be (Matthew 5:48), neither is our heart pure. On Judgment Day our transgressions will be the evidence of our shame. Think of it: God has seen every sin we have ever committed. We share our thought-life with Him.

We are guilty of violating His Law a multitude of times, yet if we repent, God can forgive us because Jesus stepped into the courtroom 2,000 years ago and paid the fine for us.

His death on the cross satisfied the Law we so blatantly transgressed, and at the same time demonstrated how much God loves us[i]—"For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life."[/i] His shed blood on the cross can make you clean in the sight of a holy God, as though you have never sinned.

God doesn't want you to go to Hell. Please, forget your arguments, repent and put your trust in Jesus and be saved from God's wrath. Make Psalm 51 your prayer, then read your Bible daily and always obey what you read; God will never let you down. Peace.

OLAADEGBU:

It does not mean that you cannot pray before doing your job or that you cannot use your biblical influence in making important decisions. I know that people keep their faith in the back burner during the week and only dust it when it is time for church service. There is nothing stopping prayers in the educational, industrial, health or Government institutions as the secular humanists will not like to see. When our politicians depend on God and His Word to guide the nation the population would rejoice.

Secularity doesnt mean that you can't pray it simply means you can't shove your religion down someone else's throat. People that "keep their faith on the backburner" arent real Christians and so shouldnt be classified as one because secularity doesn't say dont have a religion instead it means anyone can choose to be of any religion they want or none if they want. Nothing stops people from praying as long as they arent doing it on the phone to a customer or while a teacher is teaching. In fact at my high school they had a prayer room. And i'm pretty sure that if a politician currently running for election was Christian and announced it as part of his campaign he would surely lose. This doesnt mean he shouldnt be a christian, it simply means he should keep it out of running for office as there are numerous non-christians that would appreciate it. (didnt a pastor run for office at one time in nigeria?)

OLAADEGBU:

Thanks for the information, now let's try to understand that Christians undergoing persecution had to escape to America to form a nation under God as evidenced in their declaration of independence. Their liberty was to be under God's Law, they were free to worship God and this freedom also allowed other faiths to practise their faith without Government intervention until the secular humanists came to sabotage this provision to remove God's Word from the institutions even the military chaplains are not allowed to use the name of Jesus in their prayers. And it must be stressed that the disciples of Jesus Christ who were Jews were the ones who spread Christianity to Africa via Ethiopia and north Africa until the Muslims overpowered them by force just as the socialists are doing to the U.S. today.

From where? if you mean England then i really will laugh because in England even the royalty goes to church and has continued to do so for as long as they have been in power. If anyone wanted to run away in those times it would be pagans and other theists because everyone was forced to go to church and i cant see where else those who were "persecuted" would be coming from since we have already established that American settlers were British. Unless you want to say they were Africans now?
Why should a military chaplain use the word Jesus? If he used the word Bohammad or Buddha or Vishnu, would you like it? don't be self centered it is better to have nothing than to represent only one religion. Every religion has equal rights.
I repeat Africans were worshipping idols before british and french colonisation.

OLAADEGBU:

The bible is not just historical of the origins of the universe and of life it is accurate on current and future events, that is why it is fresher than tomorrow's newspaper.

At this point we will agree to disagree

OLAADEGBU:

I can see that you have made the conscious decision to believe the lies of the evolutionists even though they have no clues as to where we originated from. Your decision will determine your destiny.

I dont know if you dont understand me or you refuse to, i indicated in my post before that i am almost as sceptical of Darwinism as i am of religion but as i said i would rather believe darwinnism. That is if i had to choose.

OLAADEGBU:

You have theories and conjectures which puts your feet on shaky grounds. It will be better for you to put your trust in the solid ground of the Word of God your Creator who put His Moral Law in your hardware (conscience) and it does not matter how much you try to silence it with your theories and presuppositions contrary to the alarm bells sounding in your conscience it will not change the fact of wrong and right. Many have silenced their consciences with their ideologies but the Word of God is the software that rekindles the conscience to what God has originally written therein. I know you will not say that you don't believe that a car you drive has no maker, that it just happened by chance, this is the logic we are talking about but it will be folly to ignore the owner's manual and decide to fill a petrol car with diesel because you feel like it.

No i have solid, logical theories and in exchange for it i am being asked to put my blind faith on the shaky ground that is religion. And why must i ascribe to christianity anyway? why shouldnt i be buddhist since it would make me a more pleasant person than christianity would. or why shouldnt i be muslime since it is basically christianity in Arabic with a few tweaks?
I don't deny i have a conscience it is what keeps me from going out to murder people. Why does it have to be given by God and if it was, then why does it malfunction every once in a while if God is so perfect and created things perfectly. Afterall there are serial killers and rapists around and i doubt their conscience bothers them any.
A car is made by someone and if you asked who, you will be shown the maker. Can you show me God? That is logic.

OLAADEGBU:

The proof of His existence to me is that I spoke to Him this morning. We have His Word and His World as witnessess to His existence and for that reason there is not excuse for ignorance on their part. I happy that you are not ignorant of the existence of God but you can give the evidence of God because of His handiwork, I have the evidence that you exist because you have the intelligence to post on this topic. The creatures of God are the evidence I need of the existence of the Creator, and if He created intelligence then He must have the supreme infinite intelligence above all.

There are people who think they've spoken to the ghost of Elvis Presley. Now i'm sure you think thats crazy but isnt it the same thing? I'm certainly not saying you're crazy as i would dearly hope not but i'm just trying to point out that thinking you spoke to him doesnt make it true. Especially since as i understand it he talks to you in your head not out loud. Dont you think it might have been just your thoughts?
You have evidence that someone who writes to you exists but besides my name you have no evidence that it is really me. This is the same as God, you have the finished product and so you make up the person behind it. Only in his case it was chosen more arbitrarily because he didnt tag his name unto the universe he created like i have done to my profile.

Its indeed laughable that people still fall for this 'America is a Christian country' crap.

The founding fathers were not 'christian' in the same sense as 'born-again' christians in Nigeria.

For one thing they kept slaves and few slept with their slaves but never recognised their offsprings. Add the fact that they were Freemasons doesn't help matters too.

Fastforward to today. . . all the current leaders of the 'christian right wing ' movement are either liars(Gov Mark Sanford) ,adulterers(Mark Souder,Senator Ensign) or drug addicts (Rush Limabaugh). Many have married & divorced many times which 'born-again' christians in Nigeria frown upon.

And of course they'll lay the blame squarely at the doorsteps of the devil !

So only speak for yourself OLA , you only know yourself.


All the religions of the world lay claim to being 'The One' true path to God. . .

I am a strong believer in God,but not in yeye conspiracies. . ,

Analissa:

Secularity doesnt mean that you can't pray it simply means you can't shove your religion down someone else's throat. People that "keep their faith on the backburner" arent real Christians and so shouldnt be classified as one because secularity doesn't say dont have a religion instead it means anyone can choose to be of any religion they want or none if they want. Nothing stops people from praying as long as they arent doing it on the phone to a customer or while a teacher is teaching. In fact at my high school they had a prayer room. And i'm pretty sure that if a politician currently running for election was Christian and announced it as part of his campaign he would surely lose. This doesnt mean he shouldnt be a christian, it simply means he should keep it out of running for office as there are numerous non-christians that would appreciate it. (didnt a pastor run for office at one time in nigeria?)

I pretty much agree with most of what you said here but where we disagree is the fact that socialism is taking over what the founding fathers of America based their declaration on.  Prayer used to be made in the executive, legislative and judiciary arms of the Government until these socialists who are essentially communists are making efforts to remove its practise.  The 10 commandments used to be in all the official buildings but they have now been brought down.  Prayers used to be made in the school's public assembly but this is now a thing of the past.  The Bible used to be taught in schools and higher institutions but now the religion of evolutionism has now replaced it masquerading as "science" which has turned students into atheists who say they are secular humanists.  Most politicians would lie that they are christians when they are not so as to get the people's votes.

Analissa:

From where? if you mean England then i really will laugh because in England even the royalty goes to church and has continued to do so for as long as they have been in power. If anyone wanted to run away in those times it would be pagans and other theists because everyone was forced to go to church and i cant see where else those who were "persecuted" would be coming from since we have already established that American settlers were British. Unless you want to say they were Africans now?

This is what I am saying, that evolutionists teaches you about what christianity is about.  Christianity is different from what you know as religion.  Puritans who were real christians could not compromise their faith and as a result had to flee to America, I don't think that you will know the difference because christianity is a relationship with God not religion as you know it.  For your information, Christianity started with the disciples of Jesus and I believe you know that Jesus and his disciples were not caucasians or british as you may have been taught, they were Jews who spread Christianity to Africa and beyond, taking the Ethiopian eunuch for instance.

Analissa:

Why should a military chaplain use the word Jesus? If he used the word Bohammad or Buddha or Vishnu, would you like it? don't be self centered it is better to have nothing than to represent only one religion. Every religion has equal rights.
I repeat Africans were worshipping idols before british and french colonisation.

For your information, the American soldiers have chaplains representing different religious faiths, the christian soldiers in the U.S. army are entitled to a christian chaplain who is to pray for them but they can't now pray in the name of Jesus because the name of Jesus has been censored that it cannot be said even when they are praying for christian soldiers. Can they tell the muslim chaplains not to use the name of Mohammad? Your guess is as good as mine.

Analissa:

At this point we will agree to disagree

This is because we don't see through the same spectrum.  We have different worldviews, It is either the Word of God or the words of men.

Analissa:

I dont know if you dont understand me or you refuse to, i indicated in my post before that i am almost as sceptical of Darwinism as i am of religion but as i said i would rather believe darwinnism. That is if i had to choose.

There is no sitting on the fence here, it is either you believe the Word of God or that you trust in the philosophies of sinful men and it is pretty obvious what choice you have made.

Analissa:

No i have solid, logical theories and in exchange for it i am being asked to put my blind faith on the shaky ground that is religion. And why must i ascribe to christianity anyway? why shouldnt i be buddhist since it would make me a more pleasant person than christianity would. or why shouldnt i be muslime since it is basically christianity in Arabic with a few tweaks?

Christianity is different from all the religions you listed there, it is a personal living relationship with your Creator.  We are meant to endeavour to know Him in a personal way as you would know your loved ones.  Religion is a dead end which will not take you to the Creator but Jesus will.

Analissa:

I don't deny i have a conscience it is what keeps me from going out to murder people. Why does it have to be given by God and if it was, then why does it malfunction every once in a while if God is so perfect and created things perfectly. Afterall there are serial killers and rapists around and i doubt their conscience bothers them any.

Allow your conscience to answer the questions of the 10 commandments above to discover the absolute Morality and see where you stand.

Analissa:

A car is made by someone and if you asked who, you will be shown the maker. Can you show me God? That is logic.

If you drive do you ask to see the makers of the car before you believe they exist?  Why then do you ask to see God before you believe that He exists?  If you really wanted to see Him in flesh and blood you would have seen Him 2,000 years ago but you arrived too late, you might have a chance if you believe Him now before you see Him.  His second coming is around the corner.

Analissa:

There are people who think they've spoken to the ghost of Elvis Presley. Now i'm sure you think thats crazy but isnt it the same thing? I'm certainly not saying you're crazy as i would dearly hope not but i'm just trying to point out that thinking you spoke to him doesnt make it true. Especially since as i understand it he talks to you in your head not out loud. Dont you think it might have been just your thoughts?

There is no doubt that people hear demons ask those who made such claims for their experiences but if you are determined to hear God you will hear Him and He speaks clearly through His Word and Spirit for true worshippers would worship Him Spirit and Truth, that is why you need to get your spirit alive so as to hear Him speak in accents clear and still.

Analissa:

You have evidence that someone who writes to you exists but besides my name you have no evidence that it is really me. This is the same as God, you have the finished product and so you make up the person behind it. Only in his case it was chosen more arbitrarily because he didnt tag his name unto the universe he created like i have done to my profile.

If I want to know you personally all I need to do is to make enquiries and the same goes for your Creator, if you are willing and are determined to know Him intimately you will find Him when you seek for Him with your whole heart and mind and it is easy, simply repent from your sins and turn to Him by faith and see the Spirit of God regenerate your spirit so that you can communicate with Him on a personal level.

hymen:

Its indeed laughable that people still fall for this 'America is a Christian country' crap.

It used to be until these liberal democrats who are socialists in disguise turned it into a godless society.

hymen:

The founding fathers were not 'christian' in the same sense as 'born-again' christians in Nigeria.

Agreed. At least 52 of them were church goers who believed that God created heaven and earth and they used the Word of God as a foundation of the Laws of the land of liberty.

hymen:

For one thing they kept slaves and few slept with their slaves but never recognised their offsprings. Add the fact that they were Freemasons doesn't help matters too.

Our African Kings and chiefs that sold their kith and kins and captives of war cannot be absolved, and while this is still practised in some parts of Africa today the Americans fought against it. People like George Washington who inherited slaves saw to it that the trend ended after his demise, he made provision for the education and emancipation in his Will. Abraham Lincoln led the civil war that led to the emancipation declaration proclamation that saw an end to slavery. The Republican party became the first party that fought against this evil but it is now ironical that most African Americans now take sides with those who did not care about their emancipation.

hymen:

Fastforward to today. . . all the current leaders of the 'christian right wing ' movement are either liars(Gov Mark Sanford) ,adulterers(Mark Souder,Senator Ensign) or drug addicts (Rush Limabaugh). Many have married & divorced many times which 'born-again' christians in Nigeria frown upon.

The Republican party may not be a Christian party but their manifestoes have christian values that the liberal democrats oppose, the Scandal of Bill Clinton is an example well known internationally and it sums up what the democrats are all about.

hymen:

And of course they'll lay the blame squarely at the doorsteps of the devil !

It is what the parties stand for that matters, the individual politicians are to be accountable for their deeds before God and the populace.

hymen:

So only speak for yourself OLA , you only know yourself.

It is true that there is no collective salvation as Obama would like you to believe.  Salvation from sin is a personal decision that has to be made because we are all going to stand before God to give an account of what we have done, those who have received the finished work of Christ have been judged in Christ but those who rejected Him would be on their own on that Day.

hymen:

All the religions of the world lay claim to being 'The One' true path to God. . .

But only One Person claimed to be the only way, the truth and the life, He was the only One to have paid the death penalty that was upon all mankind on Calvalry and it is only through His name that mankind can be saved there is no other name and His name is JESUS CHRIST.

hymen:

I am a strong believer in God,but not in yeye conspiracies. . , 

That is how they said all the accusations against Bill Clinton were conspiracies until the Monica Lewinsky saga changed all that.  It is the fruits that we bear that shows what we truly believe when the rubber hits the road.

OLAADEGBU:

Agreed.  At least 52 of them were church goers who believed that God created heaven and earth and they used the Word of God as a foundation of the Laws of the land of liberty.

Church goers ?? Thought you said ‘Christian’ before abi olodo ni e ni ? How did ‘christian’  become ‘church goer’.
Obama your anti Christ no de go church ?  Get focused my dear.
Church goers have a form of godliness but deny the power thereof as eloquently elucidated in 2 Tim 3:5 ; we are advised to avoid such people. . .
I’m surprised a self professed ‘born-again christian’ like you would try to vouch for ‘church goers’ ??

OLAADEGBU:

People like George Washington who inherited slaves saw to it that the trend ended after his demise, he made provision for the education and emancipation in his Will.  Abraham Lincoln led the civil war that led to the emancipation declaration proclamation that saw an end to slavery.  The Republican party became the first party that fought against this evil but it is now ironical that most African Americans now take sides with those who did not care about their emancipation.

We  have christians in the Democratic party as well as the Republican party ,you have liars, adulterers & deceivers in both parties.
You have liberal, moderate & conservatives in both parties. . . so do not be deceived.
Abraham Lincoln is not one of the founding fathers.
GW was so anti-slavery he held on to slaves till he died & lovingly provided for them in his will ? You are spending too much time on the internet, go and get a life.

OLAADEGBU:

The Republican party may not be a Christian party but their manifestoes have christian values that the liberal democrats oppose,
It is what the parties stand for is what matters, the individual politicians are to be accountable for their deeds before God.

Please cut & paste the relevant parts of the republican ‘christian’ values you are referring to or at least paste a link (God don catch you today  )
I doubt you have ever been to the US before.

OLAADEGBU:

The Scandal of Bill Clinton is an  example well known internationally and it sums up what the democrats are all about.
It is what the parties stand for is what matters, the individual politicians are to be accountable for their deeds before God.
That is how they said all the accusations against Bill Clinton were conspiracies until the Monica Lewinsky changed all that.  It is the fruits that we bear that shows what we truly believe when the rubber hits the road.

Firstly,let me be clear,I am NOT a democrat nor republican. . .I allign myself more with the Libertarians. . . however I hate consipracies cos its set up for the gullible to get them into things they have no clue about.


Having said that,I honestly would prefer the personal sin of Bill Clinton to the monumental disaster George Bush brought on the Christian world.
Before invading Iraq, there were almost 1 million christians in Iraq, they were protected and had equal rights under the secular regime of Saddam. During  Easter of 1986 I was in Iraq & I was pleasantly surprised  to watch the Easter message on national TV, you could wear a cross on your neck no problems.

Fast forward to the present time , after the ill-advised  invasion(by the ‘christian’ Republicans) churches are being destroyed, christians persecuted &killed because the Arab muslims associate the US with Christianity (falsely). Now we have just under 200,000 christians in Iraq, with total Iraqi refugees external & internal running to 4 million (muslims & christians)

So tell me who is more of a monumental disaster of global proportions?

OLAADEGBU:

It is true that there is no collective salvation as Obama would like you to believe.  Salvation from sin is a personal decision that has to be made because we are all going to stand before God to give an account of what we have done, those who have received the finished work of Christ have been judged in Christ but those who rejected Him would be on their own on that Day.

Are you going senile? What’s my business with Obama ? 
I don't believe in any politician. . .  .I believe in God and only trust myself. . .ABSOLUTELY NO ONE ELSE !
I agree YOU (OLAADEGBU )will give account before God for all the lies and half truths you are spreading on the internet

hymen:

Church goers ?? Thought you said ‘Christian’ before abi olodo ni e ni ? How did ‘christian’ become ‘church goer’.
Obama your anti Christ no de go church ? Get focused my dear.
Church goers have a form of godliness but deny the power thereof as eloquently elucidated in 2 Tim 3:5 ; we are advised to avoid such people. . .
I’m surprised a self professed ‘born-again christian’ like you would try to vouch for ‘church goers’ ??

The so called church goers would not descend to name calling as you have just done in the post above, if your being born again cannot cleanse you of your vituperations what rights then have you got to distinguish between church goers and Christians? Below is an article on the American founding fathers, go through it and come back to tell us whether what you call your being born again can be compared to theirs:

http://www.icr.org/articles/view/400/313/

hymen:

We have christians in the Democratic party as well as the Republican party ,you have liars, adulterers & deceivers in both parties.
You have liberal, moderate & conservatives in both parties. . . so do not be deceived.

That is why the right may be wrong and the left don't get it.

hymen:

Abraham Lincoln is not one of the founding fathers.

It is true that Abraham Lincoln is not one of the founding fathers but the reason why I mentioned him was because he endeavoured to abide by the principles of the constitution of the founding fathers and as a result became the first Republican president who declared the emancipation of the slaves. Do yourself a favour and read how Abraham Lincoln predicted that America is killing itself from within.

http://www.icr.org/article/america-committing-suicide/

hymen:

GW was so anti-slavery he held on to slaves till he died & lovingly provided for them in his will ? You are spending too much time on the internet, go and get a life.

At least he did something about what had become pandemic in his society, what about those of your people who sold and are still selling their kith and kins as child and sex slaves today in Europe and America? Don't they still treat their house servants as slaves the way they abuse them? what are you doing about that?

hymen:

Please cut & paste the relevant parts of the republican ‘christian’ values you are referring to or at least paste a link (God don catch you today )
I doubt you have ever been to the US before.

You that dwell in the U.S. of A and you don't know what the democratic party stands for. Are you truly saying that you don't know the party that stands for abortion, homosexuals, the use of stem cells, pop culture, evolutionism and other socialist, communist values? Go and do your research as I would not waste my time in educating you here.

hymen:

Firstly,let me be clear,I am NOT a democrat nor republican. . .I allign myself more with the Libertarians. . . however I hate consipracies cos its set up for the gullible to get them into things they have no clue about.

You don't need to be a card carrying party member before you stand on Christian values, it is your duty to make sure you vote and hold accountable those who you voted for so that they are responsible office holders. When you don't investigate certain allegations about your politicians and keep sweeping them aside as conspiracies until they get exposed internationally.

hymen:

Having said that,I honestly would prefer the personal sin of Bill Clinton to the monumental disaster George Bush brought on the Christian world.
Before invading Iraq, there were almost 1 million christians in Iraq, they were protected and had equal rights under the secular regime of Saddam. During Easter of 1986 I was in Iraq & I was pleasantly surprised to watch the Easter message on national TV, you could wear a cross on your neck no problems.

Both of them are just puppets for the real McCoy, watch the film in the OP if you need an explanation. Nevertheless, each person would be accountable for their own deeds if they don't repent.

hymen:

Fast forward to the present time , after the ill-advised invasion(by the ‘christian’ Republicans) churches are being destroyed, christians persecuted &killed because the Arab muslims associate the US with Christianity (falsely). Now we have just under 200,000 christians in Iraq, with total Iraqi refugees external & internal running to 4 million (muslims & christians)

So tell me who is more of a monumental disaster of global pri oportions?

If the so called christians had been praying instead of compromising their faith if they had any at all they would have prayed that their president co operated with the opposing powers, a General who was a christian in Saddam's government was brave enough not to carry out the execution of some American hostages (prisoners of war), warning Saddam Hussein in the process, he lost his job for it and as a result of this he survived the catastrophy that was to befall Saddam and his hench men.  Today we can confirm that he disclosed that they really had WMD which was sent to certain friendly countries so as to outsmart the gullible world powers.  It is better for Christians to go underground if that would wake them up spiritually instead of dinning and wining with the enemy.

hymen:

Are you going senile? What’s my business with Obama ? 
I don't believe in any politician. . .  .I believe in God and only trust myself. . .ABSOLUTELY NO ONE ELSE !
I agree YOU (OLAADEGBU )will give account before God for all the lies and half truths you are spreading on the internet

You are truly showing your faith in God by your language.  If you really believe in God you will show that in trusting in people who are at least in authority over you.  If you don't regard any other person or authority who told you that you believe in God who gives that authority?  If you don't trust in those who you see how dare you say you trust in God who you can't see?

OLAADEGBU:

If the so called christians had been praying instead of compromising their faith if the had any at all they would have prayed that their president co operated with the opposing powers, a General who was a christian in Saddam's government was brave enough not to carry out the execution of some American hostages warning Saddalm Hussein in the process, he lost his job for it and as a result of this he survived the catastrophy that was to befall Saddam and his hench men.

Please provide details of this 'christian' general. I certainly hope its not another conspiracy theory

hymen:

Please provide details of this 'christian' general. I certainly hope its not another conspiracy theory

That is classified information, you will have to be a member of the true christian fellowship so as to be privy to the truth.

Abeg small derailment on this topic, people always say the founding fathers of america are christians, abeg the place no exist before those guys from Britain reach there? Abi the American Indians no be people?

OLAADEGBU:

That is classified information, you will have to be a member of the true christian fellowship so as to be privy to the truth.

When will you stop bandying unfounded conspiracy? Provide the name of the general or take it that you are just a person that loves telling lies and peddling unfounded conspiracies. . . . .

mazaje:

When will you stop bandying unfounded conspiracy? Provide the name of the general or take it that you are just a person that loves telling lies and peddling unfounded conspiracies. . . . .

The freak is just going to post a cartoon!!! Lol

^^

LOL. . . . .Through a cartoon at others when ever you are caught telling lies, seems to be his method. . . . . . .

tariq azeez was a christian i think he was the deputy prime minister. Im not 100% sure if he is the general being alluded by oladegbu

hercules07:

Abeg small derailment on this topic, people always say the founding fathers of america are christians, abeg the place no exist before those guys from Britain reach there? Abi the American Indians no be people?

Good question. Unfortunately that is why some countries are known as first and third worlds, I too wonder which ones are second world.

mazaje:

When will you stop bandying unfounded conspiracy? Provide the name of the general or take it that you are just a person that loves telling lies and peddling unfounded conspiracies. . . . .

Look at im mouth as it dey salivate for conspiracy tori. You've got to join the club because children's bread is not fit for dogs.

Martian:

The freak is just going to post a cartoon!!! Lol

I did't realise that folks love hearing conspiracy theories, see dem.

IDINRETE:

tariq azeez was a christian i think he was the deputy prime minister. Im not 100% sure if he is the general being alluded by oladegbu

That was a nice attempt though, you were almost right.

mazaje:

^^

LOL. . . . .Through a cartoon at others when ever you are caught telling lies, seems to be his method. . . . . . .

No amount of blackmailing will make me divulge this classified information.

OLAADEGBU:

I didn't realise that folks love hearing conspiracy theories see Dem.

You're like a freakshow. I like reading your incredibly ignorant posts, it's really amazing how delusional you are!!!!!!
You're so dumb that you think a YouTube video featuring a teenage girl and a picture of Obama taking his shoes off is evidence that Obama is a Muslim. Any person of average intelligence can tell that picture was not taken in the white house and was probably Saudi Arabia. And so what if he's a Muslim, he'll just been under the arabian version of your Jesus delusion.

You live in England, how do you know the American military policies so well Lol I serve in the military and everything you wrote about the military is total and utter bullsh@t, just like everything you post.
And please stop posting cartoons, they are really silly.

Martian:

You're like a freakshow. I like reading your incredibly ignorant posts, it's really amazing how delusional you are!!!!!!
You're so dumb that you think a YouTube video featuring a teenage girl and a picture of Obama taking his shoes off is evidence that Obama is a Muslim. Any person of average intelligence can tell that picture was not taken in the white house and was probably Saudi Arabia. And so what if he's a Muslim, he'll just been under the arabian version of your Jesus delusion.

I can understand your frustrations, but it is not by force that you should join the army to fight the war you don't believe in.

Martian:

You live in England, how do you know the American military policies so well Lol I serve in the military and everything you wrote about the military is total and utter bullsh@t, just like everything you post.

If you really serve in the US military can you do me a favour and confirm my statement from your christian chaplains?  because I know that you being an atheist have no businsess with chaplains or do they have one for your faith?

Martian:

And please stop posting cartoons, they are really silly.

Did anybody say cartoons?    

OLAADEGBU, with all due respect I understand what you're going through . . . its honestly a psychological problem(no malice intended).

Its called delusion.

Take your time and research it.

How is works is this :

You believe everything in the world is somehow tied together in some grand conspiracy ,with you (OLADEEGBU)being a really important player in the scheme of things.

Any attempt to make you see reason is immediately resisted as part of the devil's plan - working hard against you and your celestial situation/warfare

WAKE UP OR AT LEAST SEE A DOCTOR !!!

I'm still waiting for the 'christian' General who was sacked by Saddam because of Americans,because Tariq Azeez(a christian that adopted a muslim name) was still Saddam's right hand man up to the invasion & he's currently serving a 14 year jail term.

So I'm waiting . . .

Those Whom God Calls Fools
August 1, 2010

"Do ye thus requite the LORD, O foolish people and unwise? is not he thy father that hath bought thee? hath he not made thee, and established thee"(Deuteronomy 32:6)

This rebuke was by Moses, as he warned the people of God just before their entrance into the Promised Land.  It contains the first use of the Hebrew nabal (translated "fool" or "foolish" in the Bible.  Here it is applied to God's chosen people after they had been redeemed out of Egyptian slavery by God.  This implies that the most foolish of all people are those who have known about God and His great salvation and yet have turned away from His Word.

Paul writes in similar scathing terms of those who had known of God's great deliverance of their fathers from the evil world before the Flood, and yet then abandoned Him for idolatry.  "When they knew God, . . . their foolish heart was darkened. Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools" (Romans 1:21-22).

David used the same word about those who decide they can explain things without God, just as do so many intellectuals in modern America.  "The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. . . . Have the workers of iniquity no knowledge? who eat up my people as they eat bread: they have not called upon God" (Psalm 53:1, 4).

Even prophets and preachers can become fools if they follow their own wisdom instead of God's Word.  "Thus saith the Lord God; Woe unto the foolish prophets, that follow their own spirit, and have seen nothing!" (Ezekiel 13:3).

Jesus similarly rebuked even those He dearly loved, because they were surprised and discouraged when He was crucified. "O fools," He said, because they had been "slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken" (Luke 24:25). God help us to maintain believing hearts, not foolish hearts, as we serve Him! HMM

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Just kill yourself.

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hymen:

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Why don't you go back to your sexuality and romance sections where you belong, is it by force that you should post in the religion section?  If you have nothing to contribute just move on to where they understand your language.