'And so, the stars rained down on earth like fig fruits falling from a tree covering one third of the earth'

Second scribe: (Peeks into the scroll of first scribe) Dude, you know stars are like very huge balls of burning gas, millions of times larger than the earth right?

First scribe: Really?

Second scribe: Yes.

First Scribe: See, don't think about this, just go with it.

Second Scribe: Where were we going with this whole book again?

First Scribe: Honestly, i have no idea from the part he ate a scroll.

Second scribe: Are people really going to believe this?

First Scribe: Haaaaa! You will be surprised my friend. Remember that guy Jonah who got swallowed by a fish and got vomitted 3 days later?

Second Scribe: OMG you are so right, people can believe some straight up crazy stuffs.

Since religion doesn't subscribe to some scientific facts this argument is dead on arrival because theist will prove to you with scripture that stars are as tiny as sand

purem:
Since religion doesn't subscribe to some scientific facts this argument is dead on arrival because theist will prove to you with scripture that stars are as tiny as sand

That is like proving with the scripture that snakes can talk. It doesn't catch on.

And pointing at a scripture isn't really proof - it's in fact the claim itself and proof of a claim is by pointing at the reality of it outside the confines of the claims carrier.

Anyone is welcome to try though

johnydon22:


That is like proving with the scripture that snakes can talk. It doesn't catch on.

And pointing at a scripture isn't really proof - it's in fact the claim itself and proof of a claim is by pointing at the reality of it outside the confines of the claims carrier.

Anyone is welcome to try though

But do you think theist agree with science that star is bigger than earth?

purem:



But do you think theist agree with science that star is bigger than earth?

I doubt if anyone thinks otherwise, theist or not

Here they are again striving with an entity they claim does not exist


Well he that made the stars million times bigger than the earth, made it out of nothing

It is possible he can also make the stars rain on earth and the earth's size will contain them.

He is not bound by logic, he is not even bound by space or time

Next!

I think this passage is very much in accordance with the scientific theory of super Nova of large stars.
after a super Nova, the star particles falls into earth and other celestials bodies and these star dusts are used in making compounds and elements vital to the existence of humanity and about one third of anything covering the face of the earth were made of atoms from super novas of larger stars including humans and every other living creatures, so this passage is very correct.

Maybe we should see it that way too because it's making sense to me.

Most of the stories in the Bible are in accordance with science, the problem is that both the theist and the atheists complicate issues by reading the bible and taking it literally. Most times when I argue with theist here on nairaland, I seriously think they are not very grounded in the knowledge of the bible and that's why they find it hard to convince atheists.

When I argue with theist here, I try to make them think out of the box but unfortunately, most of them are so inert to reasoning. you need to be well grounded in science and open-minded to be able to see the correlation between the Bible and science.

Maamin:
Here they are again striving with an entity they claim does not exist


Well he that made the stars million times bigger than the earth, made it out of nothing

It is possible he can also make the stars rain on earth and the earth's size will contain them.

He is not bound by logic, he is not even bound by space or time

Next!

lol if I have my way I will make science courses compulsory at certain academic level. the process of star formation and there death is well known phenomenon in the science world, so even the remnant of dead star will destroy the earth if it come close so spare a us that bs of god making the star for to the earth except he is referring to the time our galaxy will merger with Andromeda galaxy and in that chaos kiss your lovely planet goodbye

Maamin:
Here they are again striving with an entity they claim does not exist


Well he that made the stars million times bigger than the earth, made it out of nothing

It is possible he can also make the stars rain on earth and the earth's size will contain them.

He is not bound by logic, he is not even bound by space or time

Next!

In order words the story does not make sense or you don't understand it or....
Why not just use a good and believable comparison..

Maamin:
Here they are again striving with an entity they claim does not exist


Well he that made the stars million times bigger than the earth, made it out of nothing

It is possible he can also make the stars rain on earth and the earth's size will contain them.

He is not bound by logic, he is not even bound by space or time

Next!

Great rebuttal. Lol. You should be very proud

nwabekeyi:
I think this passage is very much in accordance with the scientific theory of super Nova of large stars.
after a super Nova, the star particles falls into earth

Let me correct this. Supernovas comes with one of the biggest explosions possible in this universe, and not every star can go supernova.

But if a star that is close enough goes supernova, that is the end of this solar system as we know it

and other celestials bodies and these star dusts are used in making compounds and elements vital to the existence of humanity and about one third of anything covering the face of the earth were made of atoms from super novas of larger stars including humans and every other living creatures, so this passage is very correct.

correct but These compounds are made before the planets forms.

Not after.

Maybe we should see it that way too because it's making sense to me.

If we look it this way as i have shown above, it makes less sense because a supernova close enough to throw particles into earth is close enough to destroy the entire solar system as we know it.

Most of the stories in the Bible are in accordance with science, the problem is that both the theist and the atheists complicate issues by reading the bible and taking it literally. Most times when I argue with theist here on nairaland, I seriously think they are not very grounded in the knowledge of the bible and that's why they find it hard to convince atheists.

When I argue with theist here, I try to make them think out of the box but unfortunately, most of them are so inert to reasoning. you need to be well grounded in science and open-minded to be able to see the correlation between the Bible and science.

lol

johnydon22:


Great rebuttal. Lol. You should be very proud

10Q

Blakjewelry:

lol if I have my way I will make science courses compulsory at certain academic level. the process of star formation and there death is well known phenomenon in the science world, so even the remnant of dead star will destroy the earth if it come close so spare a us that bs of god making the star for to the earth except he is referring to the time our galaxy will merger with Andromeda galaxy and in that chaos kiss your lovely planet goodbye

And you have seen a star formation before with your naked korokoro eyes abi? Or you are also believing and following what science wrote down ?

I am a science student too..but there is limit to what science know presently and faith is even out of it.

Wonder why gasses burn in such higher density and become million times bigger than earth? Just gasses?

Maamin:


And you have seen a star formation before with your naked korokoro eyes abi? Or you are also believing and following what science wrote down ?

I am a science student too..but there is limit to what science know presently and faith is even out of it.

Wonder why gasses burn in such higher density and become million times bigger than earth? Just gasses?

You are an amazing scientist. Your genius level is outstanding. Lol

sonmvayina:


In order words the story does not make sense or you don't understand it or....
Why not just use a good and believable comparison..

Where should the comparison be drawn from anyway?

What authoritative text did the op draws his own comparison from?

johnydon22:


You are an amazing scientist. Your genius level is outstanding. Lol

His signature though

johnydon22:

'And so, the stars rained down on earth like fig fruits falling from a tree covering one third of the earth'

Second scribe: (Peeks into the scroll of first scribe) Dude, you know stars are like very huge balls of burning gas, millions of times larger than the earth right?

First scribe: Really?

Second scribe: Yes.

First Scribe: See, don't think about this, just go with it.

Second Scribe: Where were we going with this whole book again?

First Scribe: Honestly, i have no idea from the part he ate a scroll.

Second scribe: Are people really going to believe this?

First Scribe: Haaaaa! You will be surprised my friend. Remember that guy Jonah who got swallowed by a fish and got vomitted 3 days later?

Second Scribe: OMG you are so right, people can believe some straight up crazy stuffs.

The earth is like 4.3 Billion years old. Dinosaurs existed so did GIANT fishes. Jonah was swallowed by a Fish.
Stars raining down on Earth could Mean pieces of Meteors falling on Earth(if you watch how Meteors move they're like falling stars) and not necessarily all of the stars in our Galaxy falling on Earth

Jaynom:

The earth is like 2 million years old.

This is theologically and scientifically incorrect

Dinosaurs existed so did GIANT fishes. Jonah was swallowed by a Fish.

Genius!

Stars raining down on Earth could Mean pieces of Meteors falling on Earth(if you watch how Meteors move they're like falling stars) and not necessarily all of the stars in our Galaxy falling on Earth

Fair enough

Maamin:


And you have seen a star formation before with your naked korokoro eyes abi? Or you are also believing and following what science wrote down ?

I am a science student too..but there is limit to what science know presently and faith is even out of it.

Wonder why gasses burn in such higher density and become million times bigger than earth? Just gasses?

you should have continue your science class bro. those gases and particles you are referring to weigh trillion of tons and they are not just any gases by hydrogen. some gas systems you see out there some span more than our solar system. and you asked how the gases ignites? its simple it all happen under the crushing effect of gravity.
today science is more than fiction it is more about fact and figure

johnydon22:
Let me correct this. Supernovas comes with one of the biggest explosions possible in this universe, and not every star can go supernova.

But if a star that is close enough goes supernova, that is the end of this solar system as we know it

correct but These compounds are made before the planets forms.

Not after.

If we look it this way as i have shown above, it makes less sense because a supernova close enough to throw particles into earth is close enough to destroy the entire solar system as we know it.

lol

the passage did not specify the kind of stars that will shower like fig upon the earth. all Starr don't go supernova but every supernova is from a star, so that passage is technically correct.

stars that went super Nova have and will shower her dust like fig upon the earth, because without super Nova, complex elements cannot be made.

that passage is very correct, you need t critical analyze it to see the correlation.

johnydon22:
This is theologically and scientifically incorrect

okay the Earth is 4.3billion years old that solidifies my point about Giant fishes

Jaynom:

okay the Earth is 4.3billion years old that solidifies my point about Giant fishes

Lol, people can use all sorts of ways to defend what they are indoctrinated to as kids. It so funny you won’t even look at it twice if it was written in another religious book.

Jaynom:

okay the Earth is 4.3billion years old that solidifies my point about Giant fishes

Stephen Hawkins 2.0

ponziponzi:


Lol, people can use all sorts of ways to defend what they are indoctrinated to as kids. It so funny you won’t even look at it twice if it was written in another religious book.

So can you scientifically tell me how the Zillions of stars came to be? Can you explain the mechanism that controls the rotation and revolution of the Earth around the sun and how is it that it doesn't collide with other planets?
Who or what formed the universe? Space? And don't tell me a hypothetical Big Bang

Blakjewelry:

you should have continue your science class bro. those gases and particles you are referring to weigh trillion of tons and they are not just any gases by hydrogen. some gas systems you see out there some span more than our solar system. and you asked how the gases ignites? its simple it all happen under the crushing effect of gravity.
today science is more than fiction it is more about fact and figure

You can continue the science class here for me.

And a potion of space started reacting and gravity begins to cave into itself and a star is born right?

But you believe an invisible entity can't be responsible for this? Hmmm

Jaynom:

So can you scientifically tell me how the Zillions of stars came to be? Can you explain the mechanism that controls the rotation and revolution of the Earth around the sun and how is it that it doesn't collide with other planets?
Who or what formed the universe? Space? And don't tell me a hypothetical Big Bang

The truth is that I don’t know and that is same for you and everyone. The difference between you and I is that I am bold enough to say that I don’t know how all these things came about. This is why experts in these fields are dedicating their lives to find out things about us and the universe. You on the other hand claimed you already know just because you read it in a book, written 4000 years ago by people who had very little understanding of their immediate enviroment.

ponziponzi:


The truth is that I don’t know and that is same for you and everyone. The difference between you and I is that I am bold enough to say that I don’t know how all these things came about. This is why experts in these fields are dedicating their lives to find out things about us and the universe. You on the other hand claimed you already know just because you read it in a book, written 4000 years ago by people who had very little understanding of their immediate enviroment.

Well then, until there's an Empirical proof? I'm sticking with what makes sense. I love science. It has been able to explain a lot of amazing stuff BUT I've been around some paranormal activities to Know that this world of ours is not NORMAL. There are things out there that our minds cannot even fathom

Maamin:


You can continue the science class here for me.

And a potion of space started reacting and gravity begins to cave into itself and a star is born right?

But you believe an invisible entity can't be responsible for this? Hmmm

I don't want us messing up John's thread its better we take discussion to the science section. but here is a little note, when it comes to space science you have throw out everything you think you know that works here on earth.
for starters gravity is not a force rather in lame man's term it more like a disturbance, a noise in space. like if you can create a complete vacuum an a single atom manage to find it way into the system it going to create a disturbance in this case a gravity which is more like a depression in space and time.

also if there is an entity as you claimed, he himself is going to awed by the marvel of the universe.
one simple question for you, do you think your Almighty decided to experiment with billions of galaxies and their trillion of stars and billion trillions of planets just because he wanted to created a tiny little man who without the help of Satan or the serpent has no way of knowing how massive the universe is?

Jaynom:

Well then, until there's an Empirical proof? I'm sticking with what makes sense. I love science. It has been able to explain a lot of amazing stuff BUT I've been around some paranormal activities to Know that this world of ours is not NORMAL. There are things out there that our minds cannot even fathom

Yeah, I do respect your position. However, I actually care if what I believe is true.

nwabekeyi:
the passage did not specify the kind of stars that will shower like fig upon the earth. all Starr don't go supernova but every supernova is from a star, so that passage is technically correct.

stars that went super Nova have and will shower her dust like fig upon the earth, because without super Nova, complex elements cannot be made.

that passage is very correct, you need t critical analyze it to see the correlation.

stars that can go supernova and don't affect us will be several million of light years away and will take millions of years to reach earth. besides stars don't just decision to collapse they have to go through the aging process. the simple truth is that writers were writing based on their knowledge then

Blakjewelry:

stars that can go supernova and don't affect us will be several million of light years away and will take millions of years to reach earth. besides stars don't just decision to collapse they have to go through the aging process. the simple truth is that writers were writing based on their knowledge then

do you know that all the transition metals on earth today, from scandium to the actinides and lactinides were all from supernovas? we can't make such elements here on earth or in our sun based on the energy requirement for nuclear fusion reaction for such large element, it has to come from a star that went supernova and they all come from past supernovas. based on this, I believe that passage is right.

Beside that, every organic substance on earth today were fundamentally from the stars, the particles that made living things on earth were gotten previous supernovas.

Maamin:


You can continue the science class here for me.

And a potion of space started reacting and gravity begins to cave into itself and a star is born right?

But you believe an invisible entity can't be responsible for this? Hmmm

Gravity is invisible. I'm just saying