uplawal:

now tell me,do you think the goat ate the stoning verse?
whats the point of Allah protecting it if so?
why do they have to include the punishment in the sharia?
if thats the case,that means we are not implementing Allahs laws correctly,and am very sure Allah could not have done that anyway,he cat just act contrary,never

uplawal:

@Azarudin,you dnt comment on the wipe your feet,that was changed to wash,would realising it makes someone hypocrite?and if you dnt know,its only Allah that knows the hypocrite,cos he sees the heart

uplawal:

@Lagosshia,The way some people feel about this is that,they take the hadith more than the Quran,its just sad,words that cannot be 100% correct and they take the correct one aside,and the saddest thing is that,Allah would ask the Prophet on that great day about us,then the prophet will reply saying his Ummah neglected the glorious book, its there in the Quran, is it not a good answer to buclkle our shoes and think right.

Theres also a thread that the sunni always call shia, keferi,i dnt know why?and they will still be the same people saying,be mindful of who you call keferi,some dnt even practice what they preach

uplawal:

the man washed from elbow,he dnt go strictly from hands down to elbow,why,maybe he was carried away,cos the Quran says from hand to elbow

uplawal:

its to the elbow,not from elbow to the hand,so in that case,it has to go from down to up

Sweetnecta:

@LagosShia: I watched the shia Imam make wudhu. But he washed his hands as i said first. That was my statement initially.
He just wiped the upper part of his feet.

What happened to the other parts? What does a shia do after sexual intercourse, in the process of making ghusl? He washing wipes the foot the same way, and then wash his body and then washing the feet properly?

Sweetnecta:

@LagosShia: « #41 on: Yesterday at 10:41:58 PM »May Allah not make me what you said I am. Amin. I didnt put words into your mouth and twist anything. If you assumed that was my view, then its a misunderstanding. I am sure that my intention is not what you say of me and I didnt come across like so. If you are going to teach, teach like Musa (AS), for he was better than you, and the one he was sent to was worse than me.

if a 40 year old is talking to a mere boy of 20, can you imagine the impression he will have over him? This was what I was expressing in my statement that you are probably at an advantage over them because of the age difference. Or are a mere baligh, too? Am sure if a 70 year old grandfather is telling you about life, he will probably reduce you to a youth, unless if a person lack manners, then one can do whatever he wants.

Alhamdulillah that we had forebearers in Islam, who say the prophet (AS) performed wudhu, which they copied from him. They were the sahabah, males and females of them (RA). It was Muhammad (AS) who was the authority in Islam among humans. Then next were his companions (RA). These were the people who transmitted the Sunnah of Muhammad (AS) to us, reaching us today in our present generation.

My dear brother LagosShia, since Iran is mostly shia, and am sure you agree with their stoning of women or men who performed Illegal sexual acts and got guilty verdict. As I now want you to show me such a punishment of stoning in the Quran, except it is not there, but it was the messenger who gave such a ruling, as permitted by Allah (SWT).

Now the washing of the hands as you stated is the washing of the forearms. Those who say Muhammad (AS) performed Wudhu had given us hadith and none indicated that the washing of the hands are to be combo of finger tips all the way to the elbow. If that is the case, do you wash your hands all the way to the elbow before you wash your face or do you not wash your hands after getting out of the bathroom, but use your dirty hands unwashed or you wash your hands as in ordinary cleaning and you say Bismillah and then start wudhu washing your face, as it is written in the Quran, then your hands all the way to the elbow? How do you do it, sheikh? I want to learn. Maybe you are correct. But I want you to explain to me.

I wipe my head all the time. I wipe the top of my feet if I wore feet covering when I lost my wudhu which I am renewing. I wash my feet when I make wudhu with showering combination. There is no way you can get your whole feet including ankle completely covered with Wudhu water if you "WIPE" as you said. The following is a hadith about Wudhu. May Allah give us guidance Amin. muttaqun.com/wudu.html - Cached - Similar *

Once the Prophet remained behind us in a journey. He joined us while we were performing ablution for the prayer which was over-due. We were just passing wet hands over our feet (and not washing them properly) so the Prophet addressed us in a loud voice and said twice or thrice: "Save your heels from the fire." [Bukhari 1:164, Narrated 'Abdullah bin 'Amr]
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", and then he washed his feet up to the ankles." [Bukhari 1.186, narrated Amr]

And the muslims wear Kuff (Leather socks). There is nothing that invalidate a wudhu because you wipe over a covered feet. The same wiping that you are saying is the only acceptable form of making the feet part okay in wudhu! Yet you agree that stoning that is not in Quran is alright in Zina or are you against the Iranian Shia in this? I have read Hadith where the messenger (AS) stated that its okay to wear shoes (Since he wore shoes in salah, except the time the bottom of his shoes had filth), to be different from yahuud who wear no shoes in their place of prayer.

Sweetnecta:

@LagosShia: It seems you have no knack for discussion, but yet you wanna teach people. The two must go hand in hand.

I am not a shia and I am not a sunni either. Or for that matter any hyphenated muslim.


The shia Imam in the video you recommended rinsed his mouth and sniffed his nose. Neither of these are in the Quran. I asked myself and I am asking you here and now, why chose to do these two, but without a pair of socks on merely wipe a small section of the foot, leaving the rest dry as a bone?

There was nothing called shia in the time of the messenger (AS), the reason I accept the saying of those who were companions (RA) rather than shia; a group at best that started as Tabi in (ra).


You cant proof to me that Ali ibn Abi Talib made a wudhu different from Abu Bakr. Or Umar. Or Uthman.

You cant tell me that the Shia imam in your video made the exact wudhu as the messenger (AS), considering that the shia imam is not wearing a beard? Or did the messenger did not wear beard, too?

azharuddin:

@sweetnecta
I hope you wont stop washing your feet during wudu bro.

Once the Prophet remained behind us in a journey. He joined us while we were performing ablution for the prayer which was over-due.
We were just passing wet hands over our feet (and not washing them properly)
so the Prophet addressed us in a loud voice and said twice or thrice: [size=14pt]"Save your heels from the fire."
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[Bukhari 1:164, Narrated 'Abdullah bin 'Amr]

", and then he washed his feet up to the ankles." [Bukhari 1.186, narrated Amr]

Sweetnecta:

Muhammad (AS) is who is my first example. Any other who fails to follow him in any particular issue, I will not follow him. I will stick with Muhammad (AS) till the end of my life. I hope its a long life yet, because I have plenty to do in africa. We have to try to reverse the trend of losing muslims to Kufr for whatever reason. This is my priority, hoping that we can find the means by Allah to effectuate it.

Sweetnecta:

@LagosShia: « #52 on: Today at 11:55:30 AM »

Allah purified not only Fatima (AS) among the women, but the wives (RA) of the Messenger (AS), too. I am a married man. I remembered when my eldest child was born. I saw him being wheeled out on the way to the nursery. The nurse said you must be his father. I simply asked where his mother was without looking at him, because to me my wife was a companion, a woman I knew already while I am yet to acquit myself with the infant then. Allah says in Surah taubah verse 117 that the Messenger (AS) and the Muhajjiruun and the Ansaru are already forgiven. There is no other special place that the messenger (AS) was singled out for future forgiveness, yet we know that in Surah Ta Ha, Allah says of him to worship not all night long, but part of it. We know that Aisha (RA) said of the prophet that all your sins have been forgiven even that of the future. Doesnt the Battle of Badr privilege applies to the sahaba, who were the forerunners? They were there before any tabi in. They spent their wealth and self. They gave all. Muhammad (AS) called Abu Bakr "siddiq". Can we call him any less and be just? I don t worship Muhammad (AS). He is my prophet. A human like me. All things that he did worthy of emulation were from Allah. When he made mistakes, like shorten of salah Asr, it was from Allah, also so that we can learn.

For me, stoning is practical. My reason for that is that a spouse is betrayed in the worst way, and the emotion is raw. There should not be the same punishment for a spouse who get caught in the act, as that of the unmarried. From your statement, it seems that shia does not actually capture the total essence of Islam, or Muhammad (AS) who permitted the stoning, and even judge the jews of Madina to it? Or are you saying that it was allowed, but you just dont like it?

Anything that was not from Muhammad (AS), I reject it. If Muhammad (AS) did not permit it, predicting it to happen, if it didnt happen while he was alive. Wudhu is something that he performed.

Wiping is a gesture, since Muhammad is the first to be followed, his washing and wiping when necessary must be observed. Kuff wearing preserve the cleanliness of the feet, the reason it is permissible to wipe over it.

And Muhammad (AS) performed it just like it was stated on top. Is there a better man in Islam than Muhammad (AS)? He was the one given the Quran. He knew the meaning best among humans. He told us the number of rakah for subh salah. But its not in the Quran. To observe the religion of Islam without paying attention to how the one who was told to teach it observed it, is a mistake. There is no tashahuud in the Quran.

Above you argued that I buy a new pair of shoes, while Muhammad prayed more times in his shoes than not in them. But then you said I can use my socks because they do not pray. Doesnt the tree bow to its Lord, the same Lord I'm going to make salah to? Are my socks not from something from this earth; cotton from trees, or some earthy fiber like polyester? Everything prays to Allah, except man and jinn which are given freewill, to do willingly or not do it. Allah says in Surah Maryam that the earth almost wish to swallow things up for they said evil things that Allah has a son. My dear brother, may Allah keep you and make you big, everything obeys Allah except man and jinn because of freewill. I am certain that as you get older, your viewpoint will get more matured. I did not insult you either.

Undoubtedly, all Muslims at the time of the Holy Messenger of Allah used to perform wudu in the same way. No disagreements occurred between them since the Messenger of Allah was present among them and all the Muslims used to submit their disagreements to him in accordance with the Noble Quran, “And if you differ in anything amongst yourselves, refer it to Allah and His Messenger.”10 The same situation existed during the time of the first caliph, Abu Bakr (11-13H) and no disagreements over the performance of wudu have been reported from that time period either. Similar was the period of the second caliph, 'Umar ibn al-Khattab (13-23H), except for the fact, that he allowed wiping of the socks rather than the bare feet as the Noble Quran directs (5:6). However, the disagreement regarding the performance of the wudu began during the time of the third caliph, 'Uthman ibn Affan (23-35H) when he began to wash his feet instead of wiping them.[150] Al-Muttaqi al-Hindi, in his book Kanz al-'Ummal[151] mentions that the third caliph, 'Uthman ibn Affan (during his caliphate) was the first to differ in performing the wudu. In Sahih al-Muslim[152] and Kanz al-'Ummal,[153] 'Uthman ibn Affan says that during his caliphate, some of the companions of the Prophet who performed their wudu differently than himself attributed their practice to the Prophet. More than twenty narrations—all narrated by the third caliph—are about his new manner of performing wudu. These traditions indicate his establishment of the new method.

Some prominent Muslim historians, such as Ibn Abi al-Hadid al-Mu'tazili[154] regard this trend as nothing new in the tradition of the third caliph since he was known for his numerous innovations (into the faith of Islam). There is a near consensus among the Muslim historians that the third caliph, 'Uthman was murdered by Muslim revolutionaries in 35H. because of political and financial issues. However, other Muslim historians interpret the third caliph's introductions (regarding some of the religious rules during the last six years of his caliphate) as a departure from the tradition of the first and second caliphs. The majority of the Muslims during his caliphate looked at the third caliph as a follower of the first and second caliphs, and the implementer of their practices. Since the third caliph witnessed numerous introductions during the time of the second caliph, and saw himself religiously and intellectually no less than his predecessors[155], thus he decided to depart from the previous policy and have an independent opinion regarding different political, financial, and jurisprudential issues such as, washing the feet during wudu.

http://www.al-islam.org/shiism/15.htm#_ftn150