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Re: If You Think IPOB Should Not Boycott 2019 Election, Engage Me In A Debate. by wirinet(m): 3:49pm On Dec 09, 2018 |
banom: Boycotting elections has never been a form of civil disobedience, I do not understand how boycotting an election by one party out of numerous other parties would pressure a government to negotiate. The most effective tool in a democracy to pressure a government negotiate is votes. It is only votes that can remove a government from power or to negotiate group interests apart from guns. Under Apartheid, blacks were fighting and getting killed for the right to vote, but here are group of people that believes they are being suppressed are conceding their right to vote
The whole statement is a misnomer. There was never an independent country called Biafra before you even start talking of Indeginous peoples that called themselves Biafra. Biafra was simply a name that replaced eastern Nigeria, during the 3 year civil war. After the civil war the region reverted back to eastern Nigeria, (although broken down into smaller units or states). Before the creation and amalgamation of Northern and southern Nigeria, there was never any political entity called Biafra. Before independence, Biafra did not feature at all in pre independence negotiations. Today you can simply not replace former Eastern Nigeria with BIAFRA. The dynamics that created eastern Nigeria is different from the dynamics that will create Biafra.
As I said there is no Biafra. Biafra as presently agitated for by IPOB is a politically meaningless and geographically boundless term. IPOB sought to impose referendum on people who never asked for it, from Idoma people of Benue to Urhobo people of delta. Nigeria does not have provision for referendum in its constitution and no international body or country can force Nigeria to conduct one. Even if it signed international agreement that demands referendum, it must domesticate the agreement through the national assembly, and passed into law, before a referendum can be held.
The IPOB group itself is meaningless. IPOB arrogantly arrogate itself to be the voice and opinion of ALL igbos and even ALL south south peoples. This is contrary to reality. I have not seen any politician, professional or business leaders that claims membership of IPOB. Most IPOB members I know are Traders, Okada riders, low and medium skilled workers and jobless youths. Now answer these questions ; What is the membership strength of IPOB? How many registered members do IPOB have? What is the organisation structure of IPOB? Where is the constitution of IPOB to know it's structure, aims and objectives? Is IPOB registered anywhere? 2 Likes |
Re: If You Think IPOB Should Not Boycott 2019 Election, Engage Me In A Debate. by artofseduction: 4:03pm On Dec 09, 2018 |
kanubiafra: BUHARI contested 3times and failed. He believed that he was rigged out. Did it make him to stop contesting? No. He realized that he needed to join alliance which he did and won. In as much as I hate him so much Try nd borrow that mentality. Better doing something than doing nothing. Educate your mind. |
Re: If You Think IPOB Should Not Boycott 2019 Election, Engage Me In A Debate. by wirinet(m): 4:11pm On Dec 09, 2018 |
artofseduction: Thank you. What about Abraham Lincoln that lost elections 12 times. I hate defeatism, looking for excuses why you cannot succeed. If ANC was like IPOB, I am sure south Africa will still be under apartheid. 3 Likes 1 Share |
Re: If You Think IPOB Should Not Boycott 2019 Election, Engage Me In A Debate. by artofseduction: 4:14pm On Dec 09, 2018 |
banom: In all your write up m I am yet understand how boycotting elections will make FG to give u referendum. You kept shouting civil disobedience How will a country as diverse as Nigeria be disturbed because a certain group of people decides to disenfranchise themselves? Dre is only two ways to get referendum. By rebellion (civil war) Or Political (involving yourselves in politics ) Oga ! Any other way is a fallacy. IPOB should've been encouraging it's members to involve in politics rather than boycotting. Kanu knows he guffed bug time. But pride will notallow him reverse his strategy. Don't b a fool brother. 1 Like |
Re: If You Think IPOB Should Not Boycott 2019 Election, Engage Me In A Debate. by artofseduction: 4:19pm On Dec 09, 2018 |
wirinet: Honestly, our brothers are too naive and ignorant at the same time. You cannot rig an election where the candidate popularity is more than 70% its practically impossible. But these boys will never learn. 1 Like |
Re: If You Think IPOB Should Not Boycott 2019 Election, Engage Me In A Debate. by kanubiafra: 4:51pm On Dec 09, 2018 |
artofseduction:point out one pro-biafra political party , individual , institution , that you want biafra to work with ? but before you do tell how ojukwu and his apga fared with biafra of the mind how is uwazurike fare since he joined nigeria politics ? he had a 25 steps to biafra back then so what step is he at ? guy nigeria politics corrupts. like a virus. if only biafra had autonomy will johning politics work not in this unitary system 1 Like |
Re: If You Think IPOB Should Not Boycott 2019 Election, Engage Me In A Debate. by artofseduction: 5:56pm On Dec 09, 2018 |
kanubiafra: How many of these people enjoined the followership IPOB IS enjoying now. APGA was never formed as a separatist party. All KANU needed to do was to use a decoy nd register a party or go into agreement with one of these micro party. I will ask u again, how those boycotting AN elections make FG give u referendum? Where has it ever worked? The worst approach to a problem is doing nothing. Why don't yuo try proven approach and stop whining like a girl. 1 Like |
Re: If You Think IPOB Should Not Boycott 2019 Election, Engage Me In A Debate. by oyatz(m): 6:25pm On Dec 09, 2018 |
Sir, I admire your understanding of the issues and your maturity. I think your postulation is 100% correct theoretically and may even be 50% correct in reality. The are two main reasons why it may not be 100% correct in reality. 1) If IPOB were to leverage on their popularity and transform into a political party or join the electoral contests, they will be up against APGA, PDP and APC which are well organized and entrenched political parties with structures in every ward in the S/east with financial war chests to prosecute electoral battles. The ONLY strength of IPOB will be emotional support for Biafra, so IPOB can only win about 50% of the electoral posts contested. 2) The second and greater factor that will erode IPOB support is this; achieving popular electoral victory based largely on emotional support is NOT the same thing as good governance. IPOB as presently constituted in NOT a group of intellectuals, successful corporate icons or seasoned administrators and their members lack the requisite experience, political sagacity or adequate preparations necessary to develop Alaigbo, so IPOB Governments will NOT be very different from the present State Governments. In the face of economic downturn, how will IPOB generate enough IGR to pay their workforce, construct major roads, provide adequate health facilities and substantial employment in their States? Within two years, strikes and disenchantments will set in such that by 2023, IPOB will lose most of its support base and appeal. Agitating for Biafra will only elicit emotional support in matters of 'Igbo Vs Non-Igbos' but in matters of 'Igbo Vs Igbos', it will take a back stage because it doesn't put foods on their tables, pay their children school fees or secure employments for their youths. dokie: 1 Like |
Re: If You Think IPOB Should Not Boycott 2019 Election, Engage Me In A Debate. by victorvezx(m): 6:26pm On Dec 09, 2018 |
Warship:It would take thousands of death of biafrans in the crisis to get the attention of UN. That's just how the world works now. It's not just by triggering a crisis, thousands have to die too to get world attention. |
Re: If You Think IPOB Should Not Boycott 2019 Election, Engage Me In A Debate. by Warship: 6:39pm On Dec 09, 2018 |
victorvezx: The thousands don't need to be Biafrans but Nigerians if we take the war into the Nigerian Territory |
Re: If You Think IPOB Should Not Boycott 2019 Election, Engage Me In A Debate. by oyatz(m): 6:40pm On Dec 09, 2018 |
You are just abusing ( that is what you know how to do best) me but you haven't said anything about the subject matter. The Op called for intellectual debate and not a contest for 'Insults, abuses or curses' banom: 1 Like |
Re: If You Think IPOB Should Not Boycott 2019 Election, Engage Me In A Debate. by victorvezx(m): 6:46pm On Dec 09, 2018 |
Warship:It is Nigeria that will take the war to the south east. Let's not be biased but truthful. Nigerian army can easily enter the south east, same way they easily entered during the civil war. U are the ones that want to trigger a crisis to get referendum, but are afraid to die in the crisis in order to get U.N attention. Lol 2 Likes |
Re: If You Think IPOB Should Not Boycott 2019 Election, Engage Me In A Debate. by oyatz(m): 7:10pm On Dec 09, 2018 |
If you want to create the crisis, this time around, you have to sit down and plan very well, consider the pros and cons, the resources (plus adequate food) you need to see it through, including the consequences ,let it be limited to your area, don't expect or rely on the support or understanding of your perceived competitors/opponents/enemies to avoid the stories that touch hearts when you start shouting betrayal or backstabbing. Warship: 2 Likes |
Re: If You Think IPOB Should Not Boycott 2019 Election, Engage Me In A Debate. by Donelli: 7:20pm On Dec 09, 2018 |
banom:A thousand "likes". Those who pay no attention to history are bound to make thesame mistakes. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: If You Think IPOB Should Not Boycott 2019 Election, Engage Me In A Debate. by melodyogonna(m): 7:31pm On Dec 09, 2018 |
Donelli:Please give some insight on what you learnt |
Re: If You Think IPOB Should Not Boycott 2019 Election, Engage Me In A Debate. by melodyogonna(m): 7:34pm On Dec 09, 2018 |
helinues:Have considered the possibility that a crisis could start at any time? |
Re: If You Think IPOB Should Not Boycott 2019 Election, Engage Me In A Debate. by melodyogonna(m): 7:37pm On Dec 09, 2018 |
whatmoreng:how do you mean? |
Re: If You Think IPOB Should Not Boycott 2019 Election, Engage Me In A Debate. by helinues: 7:38pm On Dec 09, 2018 |
melodyogonna: But always remember Igbos are not violent by nature |
Re: If You Think IPOB Should Not Boycott 2019 Election, Engage Me In A Debate. by melodyogonna(m): 7:46pm On Dec 09, 2018 |
Jombom:what do you want us to do about this other than election boycott? One out of two possible candidates will win the election. The first person, a Fulani, has been confirmed to be barbaric and brainless, the second person, another Fulani, is sooo corrupt that fraud trailed him from America, even the president he was vice to confirmed how corrupt he was - yet this are the best Nigerians can hope for. And don't use foolish on a whole tribe, it goes a long way to show how much you lack manners. |
Re: If You Think IPOB Should Not Boycott 2019 Election, Engage Me In A Debate. by banom(m): 7:46pm On Dec 09, 2018 |
oyatz: If not for your childishness and inattentiveness you would have known I am the OP. When you come here to insult IPOB you expect me to laugh and clap for you. I told you what you bargained for. |
Re: If You Think IPOB Should Not Boycott 2019 Election, Engage Me In A Debate. by oyatz(m): 7:51pm On Dec 09, 2018 |
Sir, where was the insult in post? If I state that I think someone lacks the level of education, exposure or expertise needed to understand or undertake a task, does that amount to insults? banom: 1 Like |
Re: If You Think IPOB Should Not Boycott 2019 Election, Engage Me In A Debate. by melodyogonna(m): 7:53pm On Dec 09, 2018 |
bantudra:Nigeria is dear to nobody... unless of course to politicians who are milking it dry. I doubt you are a politician, what endears you to Nigeria? 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: If You Think IPOB Should Not Boycott 2019 Election, Engage Me In A Debate. by oyatz(m): 7:56pm On Dec 09, 2018 |
How can these be sold in the international market? Is the offer extended to other Nigerians? Let me know if yes. Thanks. Warship: |
Re: If You Think IPOB Should Not Boycott 2019 Election, Engage Me In A Debate. by oyatz(m): 8:03pm On Dec 09, 2018 |
Referendum can't be conducted for States that didn't ask for it. For instance, if referendum is conducted in Delta State and Biafra won in Asaba, Ugwaishi Uku, Ibusa and Enuani but Ika, Agbor, Sapele, Patani, Bomadi, Warri and the rest of the State voted against Biafra, what will happen? banom: |
Re: If You Think IPOB Should Not Boycott 2019 Election, Engage Me In A Debate. by melodyogonna(m): 8:06pm On Dec 09, 2018 |
whatmoreng:I don't think you understand the purpose of the boycott, it is not meant to stop buhari from winning, no, not that; think of it as when you don't go to an event because you don't want to be there, now imagine that ninety percent of people who were supposed to grace the event wasn't also present because they don't want to be there, that's exactly what the boycott is about. it will show international election observers and anyone who cares to look that we don't want anything to do with Nigeria, infact it shows we don't want Nigeria at all. what do you think the rest of the world would say if a whole region in a country like Nigeria did not vote in an election? 1 Like |
Re: If You Think IPOB Should Not Boycott 2019 Election, Engage Me In A Debate. by oyatz(m): 8:14pm On Dec 09, 2018 |
1) The old Eastern Region was created by the British colonial Masters without consulting the peoples just like the way Nigeria was created. You can't accuse Nigeria of being a colonial creation on one hand and seek to entrench the Old Eastern Region (which has ceased to exist since 1967), another colonial creation on the other hand. 2) Delta State WAS NEVER part of the Old Eastern Region. 3) The Ijaws, Ogoni,Ikwerres etc fought largely on the side of the FG and fought against Biafra. banom: 2 Likes |
Re: If You Think IPOB Should Not Boycott 2019 Election, Engage Me In A Debate. by dokie: 8:19pm On Dec 09, 2018 |
oyatz: While I may not agree completely with your first point, I agree completely with the second. Nevertheless the current method of radio broadcasts, demonstrations, Biafran remembrance days and election boycott will prove to be futile in the coming years. Time will make it clear to even the most staunch supporters of the agitation. On a personal note, I don't support secession. Fiscal federalism will do the magic. If fiscal federalism will not do the Magic, Biafra will also not do it. Time will reveal a lot, but election boycott is a no no. 1 Like |
Re: If You Think IPOB Should Not Boycott 2019 Election, Engage Me In A Debate. by banom(m): 8:21pm On Dec 09, 2018 |
Donelli: Thanks dear . One of the greatest problems of Nigerian society is illiteracy. Most of them went to school without learning anything. |
Re: If You Think IPOB Should Not Boycott 2019 Election, Engage Me In A Debate. by oyatz(m): 8:26pm On Dec 09, 2018 |
The Ijaws were busy capturing and selling Igbo to Slave masters during the Slave trade era. In fact, the word Igbo at earlier time in its evolution meant SLAVE (research it very well) and in its earliest form appear to be of Yoruba origin in referring to the 'Forest people' Warship: |
Re: If You Think IPOB Should Not Boycott 2019 Election, Engage Me In A Debate. by Warship: 8:30pm On Dec 09, 2018 |
victorvezx: I won't indulge you in an argument. |
Re: If You Think IPOB Should Not Boycott 2019 Election, Engage Me In A Debate. by melodyogonna(m): 8:35pm On Dec 09, 2018 |
dokie:we ran fiscal democracy before remember? it is time to separate the country and exist as neighbours |
Re: If You Think IPOB Should Not Boycott 2019 Election, Engage Me In A Debate. by Donelli: 8:48pm On Dec 09, 2018 |
melodyogonna:See banom's post I quoted before this comment you made. It will give you an idea of how this kind of episode played out in the past with Ojukwu which many are suggesting we follow same path again. |
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