kjhova:


You seem genuinely interested in this topic therefore I shall engage you further to comment on the points you raised. Caveat is, you gotta totally offload your emotions and research history from a purely detached viewpoint.

1) The Caliphate fell long after the southern Kingdoms. Don't take my word for it, just do a cursory google search on "British colonization of Nigeria". Also, common sense application of geography to military strategy will show that the British, who invaded from the Atlantic coast, will not flank unconquered enemy forces in the south to go on a conquest up north.

2) At the end of the Yoruba civil war in 1888 to the eve of the fall of Benin in 1896, none of these civilizations had writing and none was projecting war outside its territory. They were also both polytheist society with governments nowhere near as complex as the bureaucracy of the Caliphate.

3) For all effect and purpose, the Fulani jihad did force Hausa hegemony over much of the tribes of the Kaduna, Niger and Benue basin. Yes, the Caliphate did not outrightly subjugate these peoples, however, they had enough dominion amongst them to be able to spread their influence over them.

Sleep calls...later.

fk001:


Lol that's the bitter truth that they can't shy away from it.

Northerners have been civilized Centuries ago before the British came to Nigeria, where were the southerners as of then? I guess they must have been jumping from one tree to another

Ziggylady:



You were civilised centuries ago only to become a huge almajiri land filled with abject poverty,disease,illiteracy,terrorism and filth in this 21st century..how possible is that??.

..as a northerner that you are its not surprising you want God to 'bless' Lord Lugard for amalgating you guys with the Southerners while Southerners are cursing him for that..it says a huge lot about who is a parasite leeching off the other regardless of how much you want to save face now.

I join my Southern brethren in cursing Lord Lugard for amalgamating the north and South as a country..

That has to change sooner or later.

fk001:



Obviously in your 15 years of staying in the North, you lived in a slum or something like that, where humanity is not given much regard.

Just because you stay in the wrong place and mingle with the wrong people that doesn't justify that the entire north are illiterates or close to that.


Just like if a core northerner stays in a ghetto area of Ogun state where there are chunks of uncivilize people, it is wrong for him to generalize that the entire Ogun state are uncivilize. As i said it earlier in every gathering there are good and bad people, you can only rob mind with the type of people you are staying with, and the type of people you are living with defines who you are.


I don't have to argue with you, because you owe me no explanation neither do I.

fk001:


Yea i am blessing him for making us the first class citizens of the country, while making you people as minorities and our servants.


About this almajiri issue that you are about to commit suicide because of it, they choose to live that way and do i look like I give a fvck about them?


All I know is Millions of Northerners are taking the advantage of the federal myth that the British blessed us with, and I can't stop thanking them.


We will remain one until we achieve our aim.


Shalom!!

fk001:



From the above, it is clear that the British deferred to the Hausa's not because they were considered stupid. On the contrary, the British regarded the Northerners as more civilized than the rest of us.

kjhova:


You seem genuinely interested in this topic therefore I shall engage you further to comment on the points you raised. Caveat is, you gotta totally offload your emotions and research history from a purely detached viewpoint.

1) The Caliphate fell long after the southern Kingdoms. Don't take my word for it, just do a cursory google search on "British colonization of Nigeria". Also, common sense application of geography to military strategy will show that the British, who invaded from the Atlantic coast, will not flank unconquered enemy forces in the south to go on a conquest up north.

2) At the end of the Yoruba civil war in 1888 to the eve of the fall of Benin in 1896, none of these civilizations had writing and none was projecting war outside its territory. They were also both polytheist society with governments nowhere near as complex as the bureaucracy of the Caliphate.

3) For all effect and purpose, the Fulani jihad did force Hausa hegemony over much of the tribes of the Kaduna, Niger and Benue basin. Yes, the Caliphate did not outrightly subjugate these peoples, however, they had enough dominion amongst them to be able to spread their influence over them.

Sleep calls...later.

gentleibraheem:


Just see how you're showcasing the level of dumbness you inherited. How can someone be soo ignorant and still not ashamed of it

Ziggylady:



Poor you,who made you first-class citizens?a parasite fooling himself he is the host best describes you.

Ofcourse you dont care about the depraved,poverty-stricken and hopeless almajiris you breed because of the wickedness hou lots are known for so iam not sutprised..

You are blessing Lord Lugard for giving you lots an opportunity to live like humans by amalgamating you all with the ever prosperous,enlightened,educated and resource-filled South,without whom the basket-case you are now in all developmental indices would have quadrapled with Niger and Chad feeding you lots as wretched as they too are...

Keep gloating till the South wakes up from their slumber,putting you lots in your places..Sooner or later.

fk001:



As far as millions of Northerners are gaining from Federal might, we are okay with it.


You can keep on wailing till eternity

Ziggylady:



Poor you,who made you first-class citizens?a parasite fooling himself he is the host best describes you.

Ofcourse you dont care about the depraved,poverty-stricken and hopeless almajiris you breed because of the wickedness hou lots are known for so iam not sutprised..

You are blessing Lord Lugard for giving you lots an opportunity to live like humans by amalgamating you all with the ever prosperous,enlightened,educated and resource-filled South,without whom the basket-case you are now in all developmental indices would have quadrapled with Niger and Chad feeding you lots as wretched as they too are...

Keep gloating till the South wakes up from their slumber,putting you lots in your places..Sooner or later.

Ziggylady:



Millions of Northerners indeed..Ofcourse you cant do without 'gobment' because of the endemic laziness and backwardness you are known..Inspite of that you are still last by all developmental indices.

Please continue thanking and asking God to bless Lord Lugard for giving you the chance to live like humans by your association with the South ..Pathetic lots.

Ziggylady:



Millions of Northerners indeed..Ofcourse you cant do without 'gobment' because of the endemic laziness and backwardness you are known..Inspite of that you are still last by all developmental indices.

Please continue thanking and asking God to bless Lord Lugard for giving you the chance to live like humans by your association with the South ..Pathetic lots.

yomi96:
dude I could careless about the easterners, haven lived in the north for 15 years I can authoritatively say that you are a liar, the north is filled with almajiries and illiterates who cannot read and write even in Hausa, not to talk of Arabic

There is nothing to argue with you, because all Nigerians know that you core-northerners are the ones dragging nigeria backwards with your religious extremism.

You can imagine what that shameless Zamfara governor came out to say, that God is punishing his citizens with meningitis because of their sins.

I asked you, why don't Kwara, Kogi and Nasarawa muslims or yoruba muslims fight for sharia law in their states as core-northerners if they so much practice the same kind of islam? You could not answer.

How many times have you heard Igala, Ebira, Gwari, Nupe, Bariba or Alago muslims burning churches, beheading people or fighting people of other religions in their homelands?
Or you think all Nigerians don't know how core-northerners discriminate yoruba muslims as fake muslims ba?

Oga, go and sit down. You have nothing to say!

fk001:



Who is complaining about hunger here? Definitely you.


I also travel a lot, I have seen how your people are suffering even two square meal they can't afford it talk less of three. I have seen how your ladies are jumping with anxiety when they come across a rich Northern guy.

Anyway I don't have to explain everything for you, because I definitely know you will judge based on your emotion.

As for me, my friend's, family and entire neighborhood i know that we are faring well enough. Same goes to other millions of Northeners.

zionmde:

Go back to ur post I mentioned. were u not the one denying that there were illiterates and poor people only in the remote areas?
I have travelled all the states except borno. I will say this the North stinks of poverty and illiteracy. How can people who grow up going to school by 9am and closing by 1:40pm then Islamiyya from 3pm to 8pm compare with those who go to school from 7:45 to 4pm.
if u are not concerned about the poverty and illiteracy littering everywhere in the north then u are blind or rather a buharist

fk001:


There are many school in the north that start by 7am and close by 5pm

except if you are refering to public school.

zionmde:

I mean private schools
and I mean core north NW and NE
no school does that. because of prayers
u cannot hide the truth that the north should be declared a state of emergency in terms of education
I taught the governor's son and children of most politicians as a corper. I had to wonder wat the children of ordinary men will look like if those high class kids were that dumb

fk001:



You are delusional


The secondary school that i attended start by 7am and close by 5pm. We pray when it was time for prayer we take our breakfast, brunch and lunch.

Tell me which of the schools in the NE or NW did you work? I have links and I know most of the high school in the North.


No any high profile school employ a serving corp member to teach their kids

zionmde:

hahaha 95% of all the high profile schools in NE and NW are filled with corpers
And wat makes u think i will come here and give you the name of the school
if u know most of the high schools then u should know the one the past governor's kids attended
If u close by 5pm then wen do u go for Islamiyya? or hope u aren't talking about a boarding school
u can keep trying but it keeps staring on ur face that illiteracy and poverty ravages the north

by the way wat percentage of northerners even attend private schools??

Aboki99:


You are very correct only that three other fingers point at you and you scored own goal. You think a xtian country (UK) that brought religion to you, clothed thee and civilized you people would gave northern leadets the country for nothing? While the north was civilized and well organised even b4 the white men came calling, you people in the East and parts of the west were moving around stark naked wallahi! You were pagans and barbaric as recently as 1940. Just look for an old Pic of the part of naija u came from and confirm it. Read history man and save yourself the self inflicted insults

rexwalters:
Of course the black man will always blame someone else,slavery was a business just the same way we sell our raw crude today,we sold ourselves the white man did not force us,open slavery was the biggest business for over 400 years and is still big time today,the United states fought a civil from 1861 - 1865 because of the abolishment of slavery,go and do your research and find out what gave men like Tippu Tip so much wealth,abi you think say na only you done study or live for UK & Yankee?

The partitioning of Africa was done in Berlin in 1888,are you still blaming the white man for the black man's woes?,The Europeans founded The United States and Canada,why are they not like sub saharan Africa,the honest truth is that the black man has a fundamental problem on progression be it in the US,UK or Africa but a thousand times worse in Nigeria.,Africa.

When the British left Nigeria finally in 1963 after we became a republic,electricity was everywhere,why not use their so called black magic to produce electricity today?

fk001:



Lol suit yourself.


That's a well know fact across Northern Nigeria.

Racoon:
The problem and trouble with Nigeria from 1914 till date.For amalgamating reasonable Nigerians with brutes & barbaric humanity, Lord Lugard will never find peace even in death.

bamidelee:

this your hatred would hunt you one day
and you'll leave to regret your actions

Nowenuse:


Oga, check again. The north fell completely to the British before the south fell. And this is not even my area of interest, my interest is the last paragraph.

Hausa fulanis did not conquer Southern Kaduna, Plateau, Benue, Gombe south and most parts of Taraba/Adamawa. The British were the ones who brought about indirect rule system of government to force our people under emirate rulership. Some resisted, but others fell. The use of Hausa language was promoted/manadated for Biblical evangelism and schools in the old northern region. This was what spread Hausa language around the region, otherwise, there was no form of direct influence by conquest or whatsoever means!

We know those who were conquered by Hausa fulanis and the people are predominantly muslims, e.g the Ilorins, the Nupes and Bauchi tribes.

Firgemachar:




My friend, what should be is not always what it is. The fact is what we must hold onto and not theories.
Ijebu was the last Yoruba tribe to fall to the Brits. Conquered Hausa slaves helped the Brits achieve the conquest.

At the end of the Yoruba civil war, both Ibadan and Ekiti armies/peoples were independent. They surrendered to the Brits of their own accord to end the civil war. These are facts!


And I pointed out that the reading and writing thingy was a form of Arabic cultural conquest of the caliphate. The skill wasn't their making.

Polytheist How? They were all traditional worshippers to the core.

As per conquests, present day Tapa people of Niger state used to be part of the Oyo empire. Yoruba is spoken as an indigenous language in parts of Niger state till tomorrow.
Same goes for present day Benin republic. At some point, they used to be part of the Oyo empire and later Benin kingdom.

Oyo empire ran a semblance of democracy as there was a parliament known as the Oyo Mesi to checkmate the Alaafin and his council.



The Brits gave the caliphate whatever little dominion they seem to be having over the other northern tribes. It was never so ab initio. They never spoke Hausa as a first language until the colonisation happened.

It was all part of the British strategy of making the north 'one big Hausa' family indeed for the purpose of subjugation of the south.

You still haven't told me why the caliphate in Ghana wasn't accorded similar recognition.

kjhova:


Hi, I am awake now. Yea, you joined the discuss halfway. Pls don't be a Trump with facts. The British took Lagos in 1861, deposed the Benin Oba in 1896, bombed Ijebu to submission in 1880s, pacified the entire southwest of the Niger up to Lokoja before 1900! The British transported King Jaja, set up Port Harcourt, gained control of the Niger and coopted the entire Southeast of the Niger and the Benue rivers before 1900! The British made Calabar capital of their Niger activities until they defeated the Minna Emirate and then moved the capital to Lokoja in 1900! Kano, Kebbi, Sokoto and Gobir Emirates only fell between 1905 to 1911. It was only after the British had pacified the entire area that Luggard could proclame his now infamous amalgamation which created the Nigeria of today in 1914.

The above facts are quite so easily verifiable so it beats me why we need this argument.

Yes, you are right that British rule favoured the Caliphate afterwards by extending their influence beyond their original conquest. Bear in mind also that it was same British rule that effectively subsumed the Hausa people under Fulani hegemony. This is not far fetched nor counter to my original post that British colonial concept of civilization regarded the Fulani emirates as more civilized than the rest of us so they basically handed the entire shabang to the Caliphate. Problem was the conquering Fulanis have near zero population in Nigeria, just like the Brits, thus the gain of colonial Nigeria fell to the Hausas who were the primal Fulani conquest.

This is the Nigeria passes down to us today. It is so, not because the Brits considered northerners stupid, but because they actually believed that northerners were more refined than the rest of us. And by northerners, I mean Fulani's and Hausas. Right or wrong, the British are long gone and we are now here to handle our country the way we should. Are we ready yet?

kjhova:


Yes, you are right that British rule favoured the Caliphate afterwards by extending their influence beyond their original conquest. Bear in mind also that it was same British rule that effectively subsumed the Hausa people under Fulani hegemony. This is not far fetched nor counter to my original post that British colonial concept of civilization regarded the Fulani emirates as more civilized than the rest of us so they basically handed the entire shabang to the Caliphate. Problem was the conquering Fulanis have near zero population in Nigeria, just like the Brits, thus the gain of colonial Nigeria fell to the Hausas who were the primal Fulani conquest.

This is the Nigeria passes down to us today. It is so, not because the Brits considered northerners stupid, but because they actually believed that northerners were more refined than the rest of us. And by northerners, I mean Fulani's and Hausas. Right or wrong, the British are long gone and we are now here to handle our country the way we should. Are we ready yet?

kjhova:


My friend, I appreciate your interest. You seem to know quite a bit of our history. However, you seem to be muddling it all up. Please read my response to @Nowenuse above.

The Sokoto Caliph's rule did not extend to Ghana. I believe that your reference to Ghana is based on the remnant Hausaic population there. Britain was not in Africa to promote Hausa rule. The Brits came here to rule for themselves. For convenience, they ride on the back of the dominant power wherever they conquered. In the case of Ghana, it was the Asanti and Fante, not the Dagomba who I believe you refer to.

I pick your points in bit, pls pardon me, but you seem to be puzzled to hear that African traditional religions are generally polytheistic. Where do we start this from? Pls do a simple google search so we don't digress. In any case, the Brits considered us Barbarians for being polytheistic.

That part of "one big Hausa family" yea? I believe I answered it in the other comment I referred you to.

You are right that Oyo and Benin had been great once. However, they were in decline and shadows of their past when the British came. Whatever, sophistication in government they may have developed didn't resonate with the conquerors.

In British colonial reckoning, all the southern lands were peopled with illiterate barbarians. The Caliphate had a larger indigenous literate population who can write Arabic and Ajami. The original Caliph himself, Uthman Dan Fodio, wrote over 200 books most of which are still available today in museums across West Africa. No southern king is known to have ever done such. This is what the British saw and this is what the British worked their assumptions with. Whether the Caliph got writing from Arabs or Tuaregs or Zenaga is besides the point. They had it and we didn't have it is what the British saw.

The British came to Africa to conquer, plunder and loot. Whatever infrastructure they built, religion they passes down, education they gave, was not really out of benevolence to our plight as a people but rather to oil and grease their machinery of looting our lands dry. It is sad that they cobbled us together as many nations in one country. [b]However, I don't think we can resolve this situation by dwelling on ignorance, lies, half truths and bellicosity. [/b]There is a way forward and it is laid with wisdom and knowledge.