This issue of tithing is one which has come under immense attack in Christianity today. I was once one of those who attacked the doctrine of tithing with so much zealousness right from my days on campus. It was after I stumbled on an article online which had me fooled. It had me fooled simply because my foundational knowledge about tithing was weak, perhaps I almost had no knowledge at all. Thanks to Pentecostal churches who never cemented one's foundation with good knowledge of tithing. That's why the heretic and horrible article could fool me for years. But I now know better and fully understand why Daddy Freeze is so zealous about his anti-tithe stance. He has been deceived also or he's intentionally a deceiver.

Now, let's address the issue of tithing and see some of the points anti-tithers have raised which most of these false men of God haven't been able to explain.They haven't been able to give any explanation because they never studied, they were just all about squandering the tithe money. That's why some professing Christians are abstaining from tithing due to the work of the anti-tithers. The shepherds who are supposed to guide the sheep haven't been doing their duty but fleecing the sheep. Now, unto the points they raise.


1. Tithing doesn't predate the Law

Speaking of the law, we mean the law of Moses to the children of Israel. In it is a command for them to pay tithe which was then given to the Levites, one of the tribes of Israel who had no landed inheritance but worked in God's house.

Numbers 18:24

But the tithes of the children of Israel, which they offer as an heave offering unto the LORD, I have given to the Levites to inherit: therefore I have said unto them, Among the children of Israel they shall have no inheritance

But was that the first time tithe was mentioned in the Bible? No, it was mentioned way before Moses who gave the law was even born. Father Abraham was the first person to pay what the Bible called tithe i.e one tenth of all. Even before Abraham, the concept still existed e.g Cain and Abel.

Abraham paid tithe to Melchizedek who was the Priest of the Most High God, who was Jesus Christ in the old testament.

Genesis 14:18-20
18 And Melchizedek king of Salem brought forth bread and wine: and he was the priest of the most high God.
19 And he blessed him, and said, Blessed be Abram of the most high God, possessor of heaven and earth:
20 And blessed be the most high God, which hath delivered thine enemies into thy hand. And he gave him tithes of all


This clearly shows that Tithing existed before the law of Moses. We are children of Abraham through faith in God and we are to do the things which Abraham did. But there are some things Abraham did that we are not allowed to do. I'll show you those things and why we aren't allowed to do them.

Some might want to be smart by saying the tithe Abraham paid was of the spoils of war. Is that bad? He fought a battle with ten Kings and won, thereby possessing the spoils of war from which he paid tithe. Mind you, there was no LAW then to condemn war as something bad, if at all you think it is bad.

Romans 3:20
for by the law is the knowledge of sin.

Out of their foolish smartness, they will still ask to know whether Abraham continually paid tithe. What they are saying is that the Bible should be all about Abraham paying tithe because there aren't other stories to write about.

Abraham's grandson Jacob also gave tithe before the law of Moses. Remember Jacob is the father of the Israelites whom Moses came from.

Genesis 28:20-22
20 And Jacob vowed a vow, saying, If God will be with me, and will keep me in this way that I go, and will give me bread to eat, and raiment to put on,
21 So that I come again to my father's house in peace; then shall the Lord be my God:
22 And this stone, which I have set for a pillar, shall be God's house: and of all that thou shalt give me I will surely give the tenth unto thee.

But these scoffers and anti-tithers love to ask us to show them where it is recorded that Jacob really paid tithe. If the above passage is not enough for them to believe Jacob paid tithe, then showing them more verses will never be enough because they will keep asking for the third and fifth time he paid tithe.


2. Tithing in the Law

I'm glad that anti-tithers all agree that tithing was part of the law. But some of them are crazy enough to say it wasn't money and that it was agricultural produce. Those produce were what they used to quantify wealth then and even as a means of exchange. Job's wealth was measured in the amount of cattle, rams, camels, donkeys etc which he had. Why didn't the Bible right it in the amount of Dollars or Pounds or whatever currency was used then?

Today, everyone is not a farmer and never was tithing commanded to the farmers alone. That's why money is used as tithing today.

And yes, you are to eat of that tithe in Church. That's why Churches hold feast where everyone eats and merry in the house of God. If your church doesn't do that or hasn't in a long time, then there is something wrong.

3. Tithing after the Law

If you believe tithing is a Law of Moses, then it explains why you believe it is no longer valid now that we are under the grace of Jesus Christ. Before I explain why tithing never got outdated, let's first read the passage below which is actually Jesus talking, who received the tithe Abraham paid before the law was born.

Mathew 23:23
Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.

As seem above, Jesus never condemned tithing, he approved it. He only condemned the scribes and Pharisees and Hypocrites who lay so much emphasis on it but forget other important things of the law. According to Jesus, they ought to do all together. That period would have been a perfect time for Jesus to condemn tithing if he didn't want to keep receiving it. But he never did, instead he approved it.

Anti-tithers also foolishly say he wasn't talking to Christians but to the scribes and Pharisees. Guess what? He also mentioned hypocrites, and we have Christians who are hypocrites. They pay tithe but lack justice, mercy and faith which are the weightier matters of the law. They are so wicked that they exonerate the wicked and condemn the righteous because the wicked man is their tribesman. That's injustice. They also lack mercy and have placed their faith in their tithe instead of Jesus. That's why many of them think not paying tithe will make them end up in hell. Is it tithe that died on the cross to save them or Jesus?

Now, to all those who love to say tithing is done away with because we are no longer under the law but under grace. They love to quote the below verse.

Romans 6:14
for ye are not under the law, but under grace.

Yes, we are not under the law because Jesus has given us grace. But wait, is it everything about the law that has been thrown away? If the law has been done away with, then that means a man can sleep with his sister, his mother and his father's wife which are what the law commands against.

Leviticus 18:6-8
6 None of you shall approach to any that is near of kin to him, to uncover their unclothedness: I am the Lord.
7 The unclothedness of thy father, or the unclothedness of thy mother, shalt thou not uncover: she is thy mother; thou shalt not uncover her unclothedness.
8 The unclothedness of thy father's wife shalt thou not uncover: it is thy father's unclothedness.


That also means filthy homosexuals can continue with their disgusting act.

Leviticus 18:22
Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination

That means a man can also go ahead and have sex with his wife's sister.

Leviticus 18:18
You must not take your wife's sister as a rival wife and have sexual relations with her while your wife is still alive

The above are just a bit of what the law is against which we as Christians have been able to do well in obeying. I ask anti-tithers, why are we still obeying these commandments of the law if they have been done away with? They will never have an answer. But when it comes to tithing, they are always quick to say it has passed away with the law.

Now, how do we know which aspect of the law we are to keep and which ones are totally done away with? You see, those aspects of the Old Testamemt laws which God doesn't want us to continue with, he clearly states them in the New Testament. Example is the dietary laws where he ordered that men should not eat pig and certain other animals.

1 Corinthians 10:25
Whatsoever is sold in the shambles, that eat, asking no question for conscience sake:

"Whatsoever" means if it is a pig or an eagle or a cat. Remember how he also told Peter to eat those unclean animals.

What about animal sacrifices as done by Abraham and the Israelites under the law? That has been done away with because Jesus Christ the Holy Lamb has been slain once for all for our sins. We don't need to be slaying animals anymore, that is why that practice by Abraham is not followed by we his children of faith. You can read the entire Hebrews chapter for better understanding.

Hebrews 10:10
By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.

What about an eye for an eye? In the Old testament, it was allowed as a law.

Exodus 21:24
Eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot,


Jesus changed it in the New Testament.

Mathew 5:38-41
38 Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth:
39 But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also.
40 And if any man will sue thee at the law, and take away thy coat, let him have thy cloak also.
41 And whosoever shall compel thee to go a mile, go with him twain

What about the law on adultery which requires that the adulterer be put to death?

Leviticus 20:10
And the man that committeth adultery with another man's wife, even he that committeth adultery with his neighbour's wife, the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death.

Jesus changed that law in the New Testament

John 8:3-11
3 And the scribes and Pharisees brought unto him a woman taken in adultery; and when they had set her in the midst,
4 They say unto him, Master, this woman was taken in adultery, in the very act.
5 Now Moses in the law commanded us, that such should be stoned: but what sayest thou?
6 This they said, tempting him, that they might have to accuse him. But Jesus stooped down, and with his finger wrote on the ground, as though he heard them not.
7 So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.
8 And again he stooped down, and wrote on the ground.
9 And they which heard it, being convicted by their own conscience, went out one by one, beginning at the eldest, even unto the last: and Jesus was left alone, and the woman standing in the midst.
10 When Jesus had lifted up himself, and saw none but the woman, he said unto her, Woman, where are those thine accusers? hath no man condemned thee?
11 She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more.

What about stoning a disobedient child to death as seen in Deuteronomy 21:18-21? Jesus changed that with his parable of the prodigal son. The sons in both Bible passages have similar character, yet one was allowed to live.

There are many more of such laws which got changed in the New Testament. The ones God wants us to continue with, he made clear in the New Testament. Now, can anti-tithers show me one single verse in the New Testament that shows that God has changed the law on tithing? They can't because it doesn't exist. Now since no verse tells us to stop tithing or that it has been changed, who are anti-tithers to tell us to stop tithing? What they are doing is simply speaking for God when he hasn't spoken. They are trying to infuse into the Bible verses that are not there. They are teaching man-made doctrines and are passing it off as God's commandment and trying to force us to obey them.

Mathew 15:9
teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.


4. Pastors are not the Levite tribe of Israel.

Yes, pastor are not the biological tribe of Levites whom God said should collect tithes, but they are the spiritual tribe in the order of Melchizedek. That is why they can collect tithes and eat out of it. Jesus aka Melchizedek the Priest of the Most High God collected tithe when he met Abraham. The Levite priesthood got transfered back to the Melchizedek priesthood as seen in Hebrews chapter 7. The pastors are now the priest and Jesus the High Priest, hence the reason why they collect tithe which is used to run the church, provide food for the needy and pay the pastor's salary because he only works in church. If he decides to work elsewhere as well, fine, he will still get paid his entitlement. Some pastors can even decide not to receive salary like Apostle Paul. That doesn't mean those who do are wrong. Mind you, Peter and the Apostles did eat of the Gospel.

But shame and curses be unto all these false Daddy GOs and false prophets who have amassed great wealth off this doctrine. No wonder churches don't hold feast regularly anymore because the pastor swallows the tithe money, all of it. You all have brought shame to the body of Christ because your opulence is the reason why tithing is under attack today. It is simply because you are looked upon like a Good because you started the church and think you own it. Every decision of yours is final without any board of elders to curb your excesses. Your doom is near because you have moved from being a shepherd to a hireling or a wolf who cares less about the sheep, that's why you fleece them.

If you have been deceived by Daddy Freeze and the horde of anti-tithers, it's never too late to come back. I was deceived too. But I have promised to return to tithing as from January 2019 and it will be in a Baptist Church where pastors are subjected under the authority of the elders and board, where money spent is questioned.

Thank you very much.


#NOTICE

Giving your tithe to widows, orphans or to the needy is wrong. It should be given to the house of God because all the instances recorded in the Bible about tithing shows that it was given to the house of God. It is now the duty of the house of God to give part of it to the needy, widows, orphans etc. If you give to those people, please don't call it tithing.

The house of God is the widows orphans the needy and all other kinds of people in need immediately around you and in the society. What Jesus is against is legalistic, self- righteous, pharisaical, hypocritical tithe paying, while abandoning the weightier matters of the law of God. When tithing is done in a legalistic way, it produces a self-righteous, indulgent and hypocritical attitude, this is not the purpose of God.

Matthew 23:23
Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.

Your nearest neighbour is your responsibility, you cannot see him hungry and then carry your money to 'church', that hungry fellow is your church. If you want God's blessing, then make sure your neighbour is well fed, sheltered, and clothed. The society is the church, church is the society.

After all, our greatest purpose as Christians is to make heaven, so our tithing must be purposed in this direction too. When you do it to the least of the brethren, you have done it unto God

Matthew 6:33
But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you.

Mathew 25:34-34 
Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:

35 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in:

36 Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.

37 Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink?

38 When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee?

39 Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee?

40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.

The King called him righteous, the one who fed clothed and sheltered his neighbour.

IT IS WELL

JESUS IS LORD FOREVER AND EVER

Even in the WELL

Energy spent on religion could be spent in fixing our societal problems. Go to offices in this country, all of them lay claim to one religion or the other, wickedness and dishonesty abounds in our society today. I wish we can just love ourselves and seek the good of one another.

Nukilia:
Energy spent on religion could be spent in fixing our societal problems. Go to offices in this country, all of them lay claim to one religion or the other, wickedness and dishonesty abounds in our society today. I wish we can just love ourselves and seek the good of one another.

We must teach the people religion that is based on knowledge, not the one based on ignorance which is the most pervasive type of religion nowadays, spread into the world by satan and his little minions.

Religion with knowledge is what will help us. If we abandon religion even in the basterdized state that it exists in today, the very barriers that hold us from developing into a full fledged Hobbesian state would be breached, the anarchy and chaos would be unprecedented. Our devotion to religion shows that we essentially, deeply in our hearts, are godly people, we have only been confused because we did not have access to the truth. It holds true, therefore, that if we have access to the real truth and it's benefits, our fervour for it would even be greater! We go carry am for head!

Satan and his minions are losers forever.

I am not against tithing but I am against pastors that threatens their members with hell if they don't tithe

Everything has it's place. Making heaven should be emphasized much more than tithes and offerings.

MrPresident1:
The house of God is the widows orphans the needy and all other kinds of people in need immediately around you and in the society. What Jesus is against is legalistic, self- righteous, pharisaical, hypocritical tithe paying, while abandoning the weightier matters of the law of God. When tithing is done in a legalistic way, it produces a self-righteous, indulgent and hypocritical attitude, this is not the purpose of God.

Matthew 23:23
Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.

Your nearest neighbour is your responsibility, you cannot see him hungry and then carry your money to 'church', that hungry fellow is your church. If you want God's blessing, then make sure your neighbour is well fed, sheltered, and clothed. The society is the church, church is the society.

After all, our greatest purpose as Christians is to make heaven, so our tithing must be purposed in this direction too. When you do it to the least of the brethren, you have done it unto God

Matthew 6:33
But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you.

Mathew 25:34-34 
Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:

35 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in:

36 Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.

37 Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink?

38 When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee?

39 Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee?

40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.

The King called him righteous, the one who fed clothed and sheltered his neighbour.

Do you know what the problem os with you anti-tithers and everyone who believes the tithe money should be taken straight to widows and orphans instead of the house of God? You make decisions without Bible backings, in the process you offend God. Here you have said the house of God are widows and orphans. Where is that written in the Bible? You also said the society is the church. Where is that written in the Bible? Stop making claims based on your own understanding.

God said the tithe is his, he didn't say it is for widows even though he told the high priest to help the windows out of it. It is not your duty to give it to the widows because it means you are assuming the role of the priest. It is the duty of the priest to take some of the tithe and use it to help the needy.

Tithe is totally different from you helping the poor. Give God his dues and proceed to help the poor. Otherwise it will mean that you are wise in your own understanding.

And mind you, Jesus was talking about his brothers in that Bible Passage you quoted. Who are his brothers? They are believers, not some Tom divk and Harry across the street.

John 1:12
But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

This means that his brothers whom we are to feed are actually needy Christians whom we can find in Church, not some random loser on the street who only wants to remain a junkie and lazy because he knows someone will feed him.

Sorry, you are confused and please stop confusing people with your many words and theological gymnastics!

Tithing and instructions about it are so EXPLICIT for the people it was intended for, the Jews! If it was also for Christians it will also be so explicit. But because it is not you people now go ahead to twist scriptures making them say what they dont mean on the subject.

Tithing is a PRINCIPLE NOT A PRACTICE FOR THE CHURCH. AS TITHE WAS FOR THE CARE OF THE LEVITES, SO GIVING TO MINISTERS OF THE GOSPEL NOT BY COMPULSION BUT THROUGH FREEWILL OFFERINGS THAT IS NOT EVEN ROUTINE BUT GOOD AND MAKES SENSE IF IT IS REGULAR.

Let's stop calling this giving 'tithe'! It is not! Tithing is well defined. Our giving is freewill not compulsory like tithing. That's the New Testament position.

As for Matthew 23:23 you missed it big time. Jesus was definitely and specifically lambasting the Pharisees and Sadducees. They were Jews under the Law. They were not the disciples nor were they Christians. Of course they ought not to neglect tithing. Tithing was mandatory religious practice for them. Jesus scolded them for neglecting the MORE IMPORTANT ASPECTS OF THE LAW and were instead focusing mostly on tithing.

The lesson for the Church:

Certainly NOT ABOUT TITHING but about giving ATTENTION TO the MORAL ASPECTS AND PRINCIPLES OF THE LAW WHICH ARE UNCHANGING AND ETERNAL WITHOUT NEGLECTING TO GIVE TO SUPPORT MINISTERS AND CHURCH WORK.

See the wahala all these have caused us.

We major on what is not explicit for us and neglect the more important things.

Unnecessary distraction for the Church in this last days when we should be focusing on living right, walking in love and holiness waiting and actively winning souls for the Lord before His return. Getting ready to suffer and die for Him if need be.

The Lord will revive us!

alBHAGDADI:
Abraham paid tithe to Melchizedek who was the Priest of the Most High God, who was Jesus Christ in the old testament.

Genesis 14:18-20

how does this concern us in the new covenant?
Was abraham and melchizedek in the new covenant?

If you say melchizedek was Jesus christ did melchizedek brought salvation to aabraham in the old testament like we have salvation through christ today?

These are the questions one should ask.

Remember the parable of jesus the axe has huend the tree?
This means God is done with the old covenant and it laws which include tithing.

There is time for everything.

There was time for tithing(old testament era), now it is time for salvation ,so there is no point taking us or God back again to What has already past.

Put it this way, thing was another religion entirely different from christianity and that religion was judaism (religion of the jews)
Therefore let no jew force you to practice their laws because you are gentile by birth, lets say the truth.

Even today jews dont know anything about this tithing you people are now putting on your head that is becoming a problem to the church today

MrPresident1:
The house of God is the widows orphans the needy and all other kinds of people in need immediately around you and in the society. What Jesus is against is legalistic, self- righteous, pharisaical, hypocritical tithe paying, while abandoning the weightier matters of the law of God. When tithing is done in a legalistic way, it produces a self-righteous, indulgent and hypocritical attitude, this is not the purpose of God.


Your nearest neighbour is your responsibility, you cannot see him hungry and then carry your money to 'church', that hungry fellow is your church. If you want God's blessing, then make sure your neighbour is well fed, sheltered, and clothed. The society is the church, church is the society.

My neighbor isnt my responsibility per se. In 2 Thessalonians 3 : 11 - 12 Apostle Paul clearly tells us to ignore busybodies and lazy neighbors who refuse to work.
You tell me if you are jobless as an accountant and decide to take a good paying truck driver job and then have another neighbor who is a trained mechanical engineer but he is waiting for a white collar job oil job and then claiming to a needy soul, will you take that you lazy and proud neighbor as your responsibility also ?

when the bible talks a bout the needy souls it doesn't include the busybodies who are in good position to do something meaningful for themselves but do nothing out of pride and greed.

alBHAGDADI:


Do you know what the problem os with you anti-tithers and everyone who believes the tithe money should be taken straight to widows and orphans instead of the house of God? You make decisions without Bible backings, in the process you offend God. Here you have said the house of God are widows and orphans. Where is that written in the Bible? You also said the society is the church. Where is that written in the Bible? Stop making claims based on your own understanding.

God said the tithe is his, he didn't say it is for widows even though he told the high priest to help the windows out of it. It is not your duty to give it to the widows because it means you are assuming the role of the priest. It is the duty of the priest to take some of the tithe and use it to help the needy.

Tithe is totally different from you helping the poor. Give God his dues and proceed to help the poor. Otherwise it will mean that you are wise in your own understanding.

I don't even know where to begin with you because all you wrote is ignorance. Anti-tithers? What does that mean? Did I say anyone should not tithe?
Where is the house of God, is it in your village, who built it in your village? Is it built with cement or redbrick?
The church of God is the society, the admixture of good and evil, wheat and tares growing up together until the great separation. Until he separates, give your money to the people in need around you, even your enemies, feed cloth and shelter them. This is paying God his dues, because he is the Father of the fatherless, helper of the needy, and husband of the widows, do you need reference for this?
Legalistic tithing, produces self indulgent pharisaical self righteousness which says in its heart 'after all I have paid my tithe', is this the purpose of God? Legalistic tithing is what I am against, also the kind that turns God into a money doubler.

But God doubles money, if he is approached in the right way.

paxonel:
how does this concern us in the new covenant?
Was abraham and melchizedek in the new covenant?

If you say melchizedek was Jesus christ did melchizedek brought salvation to aabraham in the old testament like we have salvation through christ today?

These are the questions one should ask.

Remember the parable of jesus the axe has huend the tree?
This means God is done with the old covenant and it laws which include tithing.

There is time for everything.

There was time for tithing(old testament era), now it is time for salvation ,so there is no point taking us or God back again to What has already past.

Put it this way, thing was another religion entirely different from christianity and that religion was judaism (religion of the jews)
Therefore let no jew force you to practice their laws because you are gentile by birth, lets say the truth.

Even today jews dont know anything about this tithing you people are now putting on your head that is becoming a problem to the church today

You didn't read the OP at all.

Please go back and read again. You will see that it is not every part of the law that got thrown away.

Please go and read it.

I've come to realise Daddy Freeze is instrumental to the church.
Before he launched his attack on men of God, the gospel was becoming a gospel of prosperity rather than Salvation in Christ. 1 Timothy 6:5
He might have been out of God's will but he fulfilled a purpose God needed to be fulfilled.
He restored some sanity back into the Body of Christ, locally and globally.

However, he now needs to find true salvation by truly, genuinely and humbly seeking forgiveness for touching (insulting and condemning) God's anointed servants.

This is probably going to be the hardest thing for him, as Pride and Ego are the weapons the enemy always uses to keep people from salvation.

May He obtain favour and mercy in the face of God.
That said, tithing is scriptural and important. However salvation is importanter. Matthew 23-23
Salvation from sin and bondage of pride, lies, self-centeredness, fears, bitterness, depressions, sickness, poverty, evil habits and attitudes and every form of darkness.

Mathew 22:21 Give unto ceasar things that are ceasars and unto God things that are God's. So what are the God's ?

CodeTemplar:
My neighbor isnt my responsibility per se. In 2 Thessalonians 3 : 11 - 12 Apostle Paul clearly tells us to ignore busybodies and lazy neighbors who refuse to work.
You tell me if you are jobless as an accountant and decide to take a good paying truck driver job and then have another neighbor who is a trained mechanical engineer but he is waiting for a white collar job oil job and then claiming to a needy soul, will you take that you lazy and proud neighbor as your responsibility also ?

when the bible talks a bout the needy souls it doesn't include the busybodies who are in good position to do something meaningful for themselves but do nothing out of pride and greed.

My neighbour is not your responsibility per se, hahaha, Come and see a Christian.

Commonsense is profitable to direct.

MrPresident1:


I don't even know where to begin with you because all you wrote is ignorance. Anti-tithers? What does that mean? Did I say anyone should not tithe?
Where is the house of God, is it in your village, who built it in your village? Is it built with cement or redbrick?
The church of God is the society, the admixture of good and evil, wheat and tares growing up together until the great separation. Until he separates, give your money to the people in need around you, even your enemies, feed cloth and shelter them. This is paying God his dues, because he is the Father of the fatherless, helper of the needy, and husband of the widows, do you need reference for this?
Legalistic tithing, produces self indulgent pharisaical self righteousness which says in its heart 'after all I have paid my tithe', is this the purpose of God? Legalistic tithing is what I am against, also the kind that turns God into a money doubler.

But God doubles money, if he is approached in the right way.

@bold

I've told you to stop making claims you can't black up with the Bible. The church of God is not the society but the gathering of the brethren who have been baptized by the Holy Spirit. I hope you do know that the body of Christ is the Church.

1 Corinthians 12:12-31
Now you are Christ's body, and individually members of it. For even as the body is one and yet has many members, and all the members of the body, though they are many, are one body, so also is Christ. For by one Spirit we were all baptized into one body, whether Jews or Greeks, whether slaves or free, and we were all made to drink of one Spirit.

CodeTemplar:
My neighbor isnt my responsibility per se. In 2 Thessalonians 3 : 11 - 12 Apostle Paul clearly tells us to ignore busybodies and lazy neighbors who refuse to work.
You tell me if you are jobless as an accountant and decide to take a good paying truck driver job and then have another neighbor who is a trained mechanical engineer but he is waiting for a white collar job oil job and then claiming to a needy soul, will you take that you lazy and proud neighbor as your responsibility also ?

when the bible talks a bout the needy souls it doesn't include the busybodies who are in good position to do something meaningful for themselves but do nothing out of pride and greed.

He's expecting Christians to just start feeding every random person who has chosen to be lazy. Worse is that he expects tithe money meant for God to be taken directly to such lazy junkies.

MrPresident1:


My neighbour is not your responsibility per se, hahaha, Come and see a Christian.

Commonsense is profitable to direct.

Counter the explanation with facts and stop play sentimental politics here.
Why should I do menial jobs and then start showing mumuish love to my neighbor who is too ashamed to go and hustle. If he is crippled or disabled or something along that line then I can consider him/her for assistance but not when he maintains needless habits like drinking, smoking, chain wearing and then starts reminding of the scripture to get what I have.

2 Thes 3:11-12 also supports my points. counter it logically and stop the emotional blackmail.

MrPresident1:


My neighbour is not your responsibility per se, hahaha, Come and see a Christian.

Commonsense is profitable to direct.

Perhaps you failed to understand the use of the word "per se".

If your neighbor decides to be lazy and sleep all day, will it be your responsibility to help pay his children's school fees?

alBHAGDADI:


He's expecting Christians to just start feeding every random person who has chosen to be lazy. Worse is that he expects tithe money meant for God to be taken directly to such lazy junkies.

Most people are going around without a purpose and that has made it hard for them to differentiate their needs from wants. Worse part is they are in good position to meet their own needs but pride and greed will make them to be eyeing their neighbor's own.

Luke 10:27-29,37
27 And he answering said, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbour as thyself.

28 And he said unto him, Thou hast answered right: this do, and thou shalt live.

29 But he, willing to justify himself, said unto Jesus, And who is my neighbour?

Luke 10:37
37 And he said, He that shewed mercy on him . Then said Jesus unto him, Go, and do thou likewise.

Matthew 23:23
Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.

The weightier matters of the law is judgment, mercy, and faith: in these is righteousness imbued, not in legalistic tithe paying that promotes hypocrisy.

alBHAGDADI:


Perhaps you failed to understand the use of the word "per se".

If your neighbor decides to be lazy and sleep all day, will it be your responsibility to help pay his children's school fees?

Use the brain that God gave you, commonsense should tell you what to do.

My neighbour is not my responsibility per se- come and see Christian. If you promote the indulgence of a lazy neighbour, are you showing him love?

Hmmmm

Christians arguing with each other about a topic when they all have holy spirit they can ask that would give them pure correct answer

Either they don't have this holy spirit of a thing or holy spirit is fictional. 30,000 Christian sects hahaha

MrPresident1:
Luke 10:27-29,37
27 And he answering said, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbour as thyself.

28 And he said unto him, Thou hast answered right: this do, and thou shalt live.

29 But he, willing to justify himself, said unto Jesus, And who is my neighbour?

Luke 10:37
37 And he said, He that shewed mercy on him . Then said Jesus unto him, Go, and do thou likewise.

Matthew 23:23
Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.

The weightier matters of the law is judgment, mercy, and faith: in these is righteousness imbued, not in legalistic tithe paying that promotes hypocrisy.

Since you love your neighbor as yourself, why not allow him sleep with your wife?

But since you love yourself enough not to be lazy by getting a job, you should also extend that same kind of love to your neighbor by telling his lazy self to go get a job and sort out his problems.

CodeTemplar:

Counter the explanation with facts and stop play sentimental politics here.
Why should I do menial jobs and then start showing mumuish love to my neighbor who is too ashamed to go and hustle. If he is crippled or disabled or something along that line then I can consider him/her for assistance but not when he maintains needless habits like drinking, smoking, chain wearing and then starts reminding of the scripture to get what I have.

2 Thes 3:11-12 also supports my points. counter it logically and stop the emotional blackmail.

What is emotional blackmail? If you promote the indulgence of a lazy person, how is that Christ-like, or how is that being merciful?

alBHAGDADI:


Since you love your neighbor as yourself, why not allow him sleep with your wife?

But since you love yourself enough not to be lazy by getting a job, you should also extend that same kind of love to your neighbor by telling his lazy self to go get a job and sort out his problems.

Jesus, come and see argument?!

If you promote the indulgence of a lazy person, how is that being Christ-like, or how is that being merciful?

MrPresident1:


Jesus, come and see argument?!

If you promote the indulgence of a lazy person, how is that being Christ-like, or how is that being merciful?

That is why I said to love your lazy neighbor is to tell him to go get a job, not feeding him like he's crippled.

Thought i was reading something sensible till i came across this statement...

"Abraham paid tithe to Melchizedek who was the Priest of the Most High God, who was Jesus Christ in the old testament"

In all my years of practicing christianity, i never knew God was Jesus in the old testament

Why can't you just write your post about tithing and give your perspective, must you bring daddy freeze into it? So in your shallow Stone walled mind, teaching that tithing is unscriptural was started by freeze? I remember in early 2000s,I listened to a man on TV teaching that tithing is under the law. The influence of social media helped freeze to spread his thought on tithing very rapidly,it didn't start with him.

omojeesu:
Sorry, you are confused and please stop confusing people with your many words and theological gymnastics!

Tithing and instructions about it are so EXPLICIT for the people it was intended for, the Jews! If it was also for Christians it will also be so explicit. But because it is not you people now go ahead to twist scriptures making them say what they dont mean on the subject.

Tithing is a PRINCIPLE NOT A PRACTICE FOR THE CHURCH. AS TITHE WAS FOR THE CARE OF THE LEVITES, SO GIVING TO MINISTERS OF THE GOSPEL NOT BY COMPULSION BUT THROUGH FREEWILL OFFERINGS THAT IS NOT EVEN ROUTINE BUT GOOD AND MAKES SENSE IF IT IS REGULAR.

Let's stop calling this giving 'tithe'! It is not! Tithing is well defined. Our giving is freewill not compulsory like tithing. That's the New Testament position.

As for Matthew 23:23 you missed it big time. Jesus was definitely and specifically lambasting the Pharisees and Sadducees. They were Jews under the Law. They were not the disciples nor were they Christians. Of course they ought not to neglect tithing. Tithing was mandatory religious practice for them. Jesus scolded them for neglecting the MORE IMPORTANT ASPECTS OF THE LAW and were instead focusing mostly on tithing.

The lesson for the Church:

Certainly NOT ABOUT TITHING but about giving ATTENTION TO the MORAL ASPECTS AND PRINCIPLES OF THE LAW WHICH ARE UNCHANGING AND ETERNAL WITHOUT NEGLECTING TO GIVE TO SUPPORT MINISTERS AND CHURCH WORK.

See the wahala all these have caused us.

We major on what is not explicit for us and neglect the more important things.

Unnecessary distraction for the Church in this last days when we should be focusing on living right, walking in love and holiness waiting and actively winning souls for the Lord before His return. Getting ready to suffer and die for Him if need be.

The Lord will revive us!

You didn't read the OP or you were too blind to see where your points were already trashed right there. Didn't you see that tithing was before the law, part of the law and also after the law because it was never abolished in any form?

Even your quote on Jesus and the Pharisees is wrong. Wouldn't that be a perfect time for Jesus to abolish tithing if it will be abolished? Instead he upheld it. He also upheld justice, mercy and faith which are weightier matters of the law. Why not throw away justice, mercy and faith since they also belong to the law which also has tithing? But you chose to keep those three which Jesus upheld but threw away tithing which he also upheld.