seunfly:
Abeg come out and contest for elective position jare, we need real business mogul like this to come out of their shell and take on the driving position of this country.

nelsonoba:


Because this God does not force himself or decisions on people while they have a freewill and are still on earth. This is why this God demands that people pray to him first before he steps in to help them. This is why this God hates sin, but has not come down from heaven to force you to accept Christ as your saviour. This is why when this God saw you about to commit fornication with your girlfriend, He did not come down from heaven to stop you from committing that sin which He already knows is destructive to your soul. This is why this God judges people at the end of their life because all the while they were alive on earth, they had a freewill to please Him and follow his way or not, so whatever decision humans make on earth, God is just for punishing or rewarding us at the end of life.

This is also why this God has not come down from heaven to slap your mouth all he while you have been insulting him, because he has given you a freewill to decide what you want to do on earth.....but you will be held accountable for your choices at the end of your life. Only Jesus can save you if you so wish

hahn:
Why bother praying to the same god that couldn't save them in the first place?

McAausim:



Wishing them quick recovery and may the souls all of the faithful departed rest in peace.... Amen

nelsonoba:


You don't live with those kids, you don't even know if they believe in God or their parents believe in God. You are not the creator of the universe, you were only born into a universe already created by God who also set the rules. Your anger cannot shift the foundations/rules of the universe you have no idea how it came about.

I will say this to you again, and listen this time around; GOD CREATED MAN AND GAVE MAN A FREEWILL AND PUT HIM IN CHARGE OF THE EARTH. JESUS SAID 'ASK AND YOU WILL RECEIVE, SEEK AND YOU WILL FIND, KNOCK AND THE DOOR WILL BE OPENED TO YOU'. GOD KNOWS THE NEED OF EVERY HUMAN BEING, BUT HE DOESN'T FORCE HIS HELP ON ANYONE. IF GOD FORCES HIS HELP ON HUMANS, THEN THERE WILL BE NO NEED TO PRAY FOR OUR NEEDS BECAUSE GOD WILL JUST BE THROWING EVERYTHING DOWN FROM HEAVEN.

IF GOD FORCES HIS WILL/HELP ON PEOPLE, THEN YOU WOULD NEVER HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY/CHANCE TO DARE SAY YOU ARE NOT A CHRISTIAN, BECAUSE GOD WOULD HAVE SINCE FORCED YOU TO GIVE YOUR LIFE TO CHRIST SO THAT YOU WON'T GO TO HELL.

IF YOU CAN'T BLAME GOD FOR NOT STOPPING YOU FROM COMMITTING FORNICATION WHICH IS A SIN AND BAD FOR YOU, THEN DON'T BLAME GOD FOR NOT STOPPING AN ACCIDENT YOU DID NOT PRAY TO HIM TO STOP. USE YOUR HEAD AND THINK!

marvinsync:


do u know how many people pray and still suffer and die??


let me ask u if prayer was 100% certain they why doesn't every one pray and don't bullshyte me about faith , when some discoveries were made no one believed them at first but because they were so certain everyone just had to believe but let's look at prayers , if u pray and it's "answered" , its God , but if u pray and it isn't answered there's always a fault , it either , U didn't have enough faith , God's testing u , God works in mysterious ways , God works at the 11th hour , some crap to say why it wasn't answered and the thing is all these excuses are all contradictions in the Bible


ps. u telling me that a father needs to be told beforehand before he saves his children , doesn't God love u? what kind of insecurity does God have that he has to be worshipped every second before moving a finger



and as long as they recite the grace or lord's prayer , they have already prayed to be protected

marvinsync:


do u know how many people pray and still suffer and die??


let me ask u if prayer was 100% certain they why doesn't every one pray and don't bullshyte me about faith , when some discoveries were made no one believed them at first but because they were so certain everyone just had to believe but let's look at prayers , if u pray and it's "answered" , its God , but if u pray and it isn't answered there's always a fault , it either , U didn't have enough faith , God's testing u , God works in mysterious ways , God works at the 11th hour , some crap to say why it wasn't answered and the thing is all these excuses are all contradictions in the Bible

When they tell people to study and gain knowledge first before becoming atheists, they will say no and just jump out with their ignorance to try and dispute age-long truths.

1) Who ever told you that God answers 'all' prayers? Have you ever read Proverbs 15:8 (KJV) "The sacrifice of the wicked is an abomination to the LORD: but the prayer of the upright is his delight"? That is one kind of prayer God does not answer - prayer/sacrifice of a sinner (except if it begins with praying for forgiveness first)

2) Even when people pray, have you not read this to see the conditions? James 4:2 - 4 "You crave what you do not have. You kill and covet, but are unable to obtain it. You quarrel and fight. You do not have, because you do not ask. 3[b]And when you do ask, you do not receive, because you ask with wrong motives, that you may squander it on your pleasures.[/b] 4You adulteresses! Do you not know that friendship with the world is hostility toward God? Therefore, whoever chooses to be a friend of the world renders himself an enemy of God.…"

If God decided to answer EVERY prayer all human beings pray, do you think you will be alive today? Do you know how many people who don't like you and wish you were dead or that one bad thing happens to you? So if God had answered their bad prayers, won't you have died since?


3) Have you read this before? James 1:6 - 8 "But he must ask in faith, without doubting, because he who doubts is like a wave of the sea, blown and tossed by the wind. 7That man should not expect to receive anything from the Lord. 8He is a double-minded man, unstable in all his ways.…"


Now, I will summarise these conditions for receiving help from God for you according to what the bible clearly says

A) You must ask/pray to God for help
B) You must ask with faith, believing that God is able to help you
C) You must ask according to the will of God

IF THESE 3 CONDITIONS ARE MET, YOU WILL RECEIVE ANSWERS TO YOUR PRAYER, BUT IF ONE OR MORE OF THESE CONDITIONS ARE MISSING, YOU WILL NOT GET ANY ANSWER (Except in rare cases where God decides to show mercy and do something that answers your need, but that answer to you ends up benefitting another person who has been praying for you knowingly or unknowingly). But the bottom line is that somebody must have prayed for that thing even if it was not you praying.


LASTLY, God does not suffer from any insecurity issues as Lucifer has deceived you to believe. If He could create billions of galaxies and stars that even Astronomers have not finished discovering all of them, then who do you think you are that you can threaten God? If you die and go to hell today, God will still be sitting on His throne, and the earth will continue existing until any day God decides to end the earth's existence. So, my guy, you are not qualified to make God feel insecure. We worship God because HE IS GREAT AND DESERVES ALL THE WORSHIP! IT IS ONLY RIGHT THAT YOU WORSHIP THE ONE WHO GAVE YOU LIFE!

AND I WILL ADD AGAIN; IF GOD DECIDES TO WITHDRAW THE FREEWILL HE GAVE TO MAN AND START FORCING HIS HELP ON MAN, YOU WILL NOT HAVE THE MOUTH TO QUESTION GOD AS YOU ARE DOING NOW, BECAUSE HE WOULD HAVE SINCE FORCED YOU TO GIVE YOUR LIFE TO CHRIST!

GOD GAVE MAN BRAIN, SO MAN CAN BE CREATIVE TO SOLVE HIS EARTHLY PROBLEMS. A HUMAN BEING SOMEWHERE REFUSED TO USE HIS GOD-GIVEN BRAIN TO DO A QUALITY CONSTRUCTION THAT HAS COLLAPSED, AND NOW YOU WANT TO BLAME GOD? YOU ARE NO DIFFERENT FROM A LOT OF IGNORANT NIGERIAN CHRISTIANS WHO BELIEVE GOD SHOULD COME DOWN FROM HEAVEN AND SOLVE ALL THEIR PROBLEMS INSTEAD OF BEING PRODUCTIVE AND APPLYING COMMON SENSE TO SOME ISSUES THEY ARE DOING NIGHT VIGIL PRAYERS FOR. E.G. YOU WANT TO BE RICH, BUT DON'T WANT TO WORK HARD OR BE CREATIVE, AND INSTEAD THINK YOU GET WEALTHY BY PRAYING ONLY!

ps. u telling me that a father needs to be told beforehand before he saves his children , doesn't God love u? what kind of insecurity does God have that he has to be worshipped every second before moving a finger



and as long as they recite the grace or lord's prayer , they have already prayed to be protected

marvinsync:


do u know how many people pray and still suffer and die??


let me ask u if prayer was 100% certain they why doesn't every one pray and don't bullshyte me about faith , when some discoveries were made no one believed them at first but because they were so certain everyone just had to believe but let's look at prayers , if u pray and it's "answered" , its God , but if u pray and it isn't answered there's always a fault , it either , U didn't have enough faith , God's testing u , God works in mysterious ways , God works at the 11th hour , some crap to say why it wasn't answered and the thing is all these excuses are all contradictions in the Bible


ps. u telling me that a father needs to be told beforehand before he saves his children , doesn't God love u? what kind of insecurity does God have that he has to be worshipped every second before moving a finger



and as long as they recite the grace or lord's prayer , they have already prayed to be protected

nelsonoba:


You don't live with those kids, you don't even know if they believe in God or their parents believe in God. You are not the creator of the universe, you were only born into a universe already created by God who also set the rules. Your anger cannot shift the foundations/rules of the universe you have no idea how it came about.

I will say this to you again, and listen this time around; GOD CREATED MAN AND GAVE MAN A FREEWILL AND PUT HIM IN CHARGE OF THE EARTH. JESUS SAID 'ASK AND YOU WILL RECEIVE, SEEK AND YOU WILL FIND, KNOCK AND THE DOOR WILL BE OPENED TO YOU'. GOD KNOWS THE NEED OF EVERY HUMAN BEING, BUT HE DOESN'T FORCE HIS HELP ON ANYONE. IF GOD FORCES HIS HELP ON HUMANS, THEN THERE WILL BE NO NEED TO PRAY FOR OUR NEEDS BECAUSE GOD WILL JUST BE THROWING EVERYTHING DOWN FROM HEAVEN.

IF GOD FORCES HIS WILL/HELP ON PEOPLE, THEN YOU WOULD NEVER HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY/CHANCE TO DARE SAY YOU ARE NOT A CHRISTIAN, BECAUSE GOD WOULD HAVE SINCE FORCED YOU TO GIVE YOUR LIFE TO CHRIST SO THAT YOU WON'T GO TO HELL.

IF YOU CAN'T BLAME GOD FOR NOT STOPPING YOU FROM COMMITTING FORNICATION WHICH IS A SIN AND BAD FOR YOU, THEN DON'T BLAME GOD FOR NOT STOPPING AN ACCIDENT YOU DID NOT PRAY TO HIM TO STOP. USE YOUR HEAD AND THINK!

seguno2:


Chasing FTC even on a sorrowful thread like this
What happened to your conscience and sense of humanity?

hahn:


Lol. You don't know what freewill even means. You are blinded by your apathy.

Then why bother praying to god to help kids that are already dead or trapped?

Obviously it is not going to do anything

spartan50:

What's wrong with you?

nelsonoba:



When they tell people to study and gain knowledge first before becoming atheists, they will say no and just jump out with their ignorance to try and dispute age-long truths.

1) Who ever told you that God answers 'all' prayers? Have you ever read Proverbs 15:8 (KJV) "The sacrifice of the wicked is an abomination to the LORD: but the prayer of the upright is his delight"? That is one kind of prayer God does not answer - prayer/sacrifice of a sinner (except if it begins with praying for forgiveness first)

2) Even when people pray, have you not read this to see the conditions? James 4:2 - 4 "You crave what you do not have. You kill and covet, but are unable to obtain it. You quarrel and fight. You do not have, because you do not ask. 3[b]And when you do ask, you do not receive, because you ask with wrong motives, that you may squander it on your pleasures.[/b] 4You adulteresses! Do you not know that friendship with the world is hostility toward God? Therefore, whoever chooses to be a friend of the world renders himself an enemy of God.…"

If God decided to answer EVERY prayer all human beings pray, do you think you will be alive today? Do you know how many people who don't like you and wish you were dead or that one bad thing happens to you? So if God had answered their bad prayers, won't you have died since?


3) Have you read this before? James 1:6 - 8 "But he must ask in faith, without doubting, because he who doubts is like a wave of the sea, blown and tossed by the wind. 7That man should not expect to receive anything from the Lord. 8He is a double-minded man, unstable in all his ways.…"


Now, I will summarise these conditions for receiving help from God for you according to what the bible clearly says

A) You must ask/pray to God for help
B) You must ask with faith, believing that God is able to help you
C) You must ask according to the will of God

IF THESE 3 CONDITIONS ARE MET, YOU WILL RECEIVE ANSWERS TO YOUR PRAYER, BUT IF ONE OR MORE OF THESE CONDITIONS ARE MISSING, YOU WILL NOT GET ANY ANSWER (Except in rare cases where God decides to show mercy and do something that answers your need, but that answer to you ends up benefitting another person who has been praying for you knowingly or unknowingly). But the bottom line is that somebody must have prayed for that thing even if it was not you praying.


LASTLY, God does not suffer from any insecurity issues as Lucifer has deceived you to believe. If He could create billions of galaxies and stars that even Astronomers have not finished discovering all of them, then who do you think you are that you can threaten God? If you die and go to hell today, God will still be sitting on His throne, and the earth will continue existing until any day God decides to end the earth's existence. So, my guy, you are not qualified to make God feel insecure. We worship God because HE IS GREAT AND DESERVES ALL THE WORSHIP! IT IS ONLY RIGHT THAT YOU WORSHIP THE ONE WHO GAVE YOU LIFE!

AND I WILL ADD AGAIN; IF GOD DECIDES TO WITHDRAW THE FREEWILL HE GAVE TO MAN AND START FORCING HIS HELP ON MAN, YOU WILL NOT HAVE THE MOUTH TO QUESTION GOD AS YOU ARE DOING NOW, BECAUSE HE WOULD HAVE SINCE FORCED YOU TO GIVE YOUR LIFE TO CHRIST!

GOD GAVE MAN BRAIN, SO MAN CAN BE CREATIVE TO SOLVE HIS EARTHLY PROBLEMS. A HUMAN BEING SOMEWHERE REFUSED TO USE HIS GOD-GIVEN BRAIN TO DO A QUALITY CONSTRUCTION THAT HAS COLLAPSED, AND NOW YOU WANT TO BLAME GOD? YOU ARE NO DIFFERENT FROM A LOT OF IGNORANT NIGERIAN CHRISTIANS WHO BELIEVE GOD SHOULD COME DOWN FROM HEAVEN AND SOLVE ALL THEIR PROBLEMS INSTEAD OF BEING PRODUCTIVE AND APPLYING COMMON SENSE TO SOME ISSUES THEY ARE DOING NIGHT VIGIL PRAYERS FOR. E.G. YOU WANT TO BE RICH, BUT DON'T WANT TO WORK HARD OR BE CREATIVE, AND INSTEAD THINK YOU GET WEALTHY BY PRAYING ONLY!

pacesetting:
My brother, your opinion about God cannot change who He is. So, stop trying. But the fact is, if you really desire to know about humanity and divinity, you will.

marvinsync:



ur right I can't change it

but I'm not a zombie to follow so foolishly without questioning


have u ever stopped to think about Christianity thoroughly? no u can't because u so irrationally believe everything ur told, everything ur pastor says u literally can't imagine or phantom that ur wrong and it's ok it's ur life but the issue is u go around so foolishly expecting that everybody does the same

seunfly:
Abeg come out and contest for elective position jare, we need real business mogul like this to come out of their shell and take on the driving position of this country.

Flakky26:


Kingsley moghalu and pat.itomi.that came out for elective positions.how did it turns out? We are not ready for competent and leaders with integrity.

pacesetting:
if believing in the existence of God is foolishness, then I am more than glad to soak up the foolishness. By the way, I wonder where you got the brain to know what is foolish and what is not. Oh, I forgot, human evolution right? smh

marvinsync:




lol the Bible is full of sh!t , aren't there parts of the Bible where God gives people power to curse and destroy people? u said God allows us to sin what about soddorm and Gomorrah? and so many other people he destroyed cause they didn't follow him?

now again I asked u a question , are u saying that every body that fulfils those 3 conditions u listed above will always and I mean always have their prayers answered? or are there like a billion exceptions?


and u say God give us free will but do u know what free will is? let's say ur a programmer and u create an app and give that app the ability to do certain things and then when it does those things u punish the app for it? let me put this clearly can a creator blame his creation for doing what it was created with the ability to do?


and again God is insecure ,he is the almighty creator yet he needs to be worshipped? imagine bill gates telling windows to worship him or mark Zuckerberg telling Facebook to workship him every second cause he is the creator what would u think of that?


and I'm not an atheist I'm an Agonist

nelsonoba:


1) The bible is not full of shit. It is full of truth, but we see most things in life through the prism of our mind. So if our minds become full of shit, we will always end up interpreting most things as shit even when they are not. This is why a wise man once said "perception is stronger than reality to most people ". One proof of that quote can be found in the lives of most celebrities we adore just because of the way we perceive them, and not necessarily because they are as good as they package themselves to be.

2) In the old testament when we had not entered into the dispensation of Grace through the sacrifice of Jesus on the cross, a lot of sins that are taken for granted today were punishable by instant death, eg. Homosexuality! Even idol worship in many cases in Israel was punishable by death or famine. But now, in the dispensation of grace, those things are still sin, but God now gives a much longer opportunity and time for people to realise their evil ways and change before they die and go to hell if they don't repent.

Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed because we had not entered the dispensation of grace at that time. America and Europe have far more Homosexuality going on that Sodom and Gomorrah multiplied by 10, yet God has not physically destroyed them because of grace.

4) Yes, God commanded Israel to kill some people/nations in the old testament. Do you know why? Because grace was not yet available to the world through the death of Christ at that time, and those nations were nations that refused to worship God their creator, but were into idol worship. And the bible makes it clear that THE WAGES OF SIN IS DEATH! So God was merely executing judgement on those people who refused to worship him by commanding Israel to kill them. THE SAME DEATH WOULD HAVE COME TO PEOPLE LIKE YOU SINCE, BUT IT HASN'T BECAUSE WE ARE IN A DISPENSATION OF GRACE.

Everybody who fulfills those 3 conditions I previously mentioned WOULD ALWAYS HAVE THEIR PRAYERS ANSWERED 100% OF THE TIME AND THERE ARE NO EXCEPTIONS! I PRAYED MANY TIMES FOR SPECIFIC THINGS AND I HAVE SEEN THE ANSWERS ON MANY OCCASIONS, ON SOME OCCASIONS I DIDN'T SEE THE ANSWER, AND ON SOME OCCASIONS I SAW THE ANSWER MUCH LATER THAN WHEN I WANTED. After a while I am able to tell why some of the prayers i didn't receive their answers immediately didn't happen at the time i wanted - IT WAS NOT THE WILL OF GOD, AND I ENDED UP GETTING SOMETHING I LATER REALIZED WAS FAR BETTER THAN WHAT I WAS PRAYING FOR!

6) Let's not just say I'm a programmer, because I am actually a programmer and that is what I do for a living. I create apps and programme them to do certain things, and if I find bugs that make them do something other than what I created them to do, I don't blame the app, I BLAME MYSELF BECAUSE THE APP DOES NOT HAVE A FREEWILL! The app does not have the power to decide to run any commands outside the scripts I have written for it. This is why I cannot set judgement and condemn the app if anything goes wrong with it.

But human beings are not like that! WE WERE CREATED TO BE AUTONOMOUS AND HANDED THE SCRIPT THAT SHOULD RUN OUR LIVES (Which is God's word written in the bible), and then given the power to decide to run whatever script we choose. So, if we fail because we decided to run a script that Carries a virus instead of the recommended script given by God, then it is our fault, and not God's fault because we made the choice! QUIT BLAMING GOD FOR THE WOES OF YOUR LIFE AND START TAKING RESPONSIBILITY FOR YOUR ACTIONS!

I don't want to imagine a Bill Gates telling Windows to worship him as your mind is already imagining, but I want to imagine your own father or mother giving you biscuits when you were 3 years old and demanding you say THANK YOU to them after collecting the biscuits and running away without saying anything. OR why didn't you try mocking your parents and telling them they are INSECURE for teaching you to say thanks whenever they gave you a gift as a child?? After all, they are your parents and have all the money in the world to buy that little gift for you, and besides isn't it their responsibility to 'take care of you as a child'? BUT YOU KNOW HOW TO IMAGINE THE GOD WHO GAVE YOU AND YOUR PARENTS THE GIFT OF LIFE IS BEING INSECURE WHEN HE SAYS YOU SHOULD THANK AND WORSHIP HIM?? ***How more twisted and perverse could the human mind ever get?***