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The Only Solution To The Chaos In Aba Is The Return Of Bakassi Boys by Justcash(m): 8:47am On Sep 29, 2010
[b]The unfortunate incidents in Abia state these few days are really disheartening. From the story of a child forced to have S'ex with his mother, to the story of the kidnapping of Nursery/Primary school kids, there is no doubt that the state is in a mess.
These events show how useless the Nigerian police is. I will not be surprised if the police are very much aware of the culprits, but prefer to wait for ransom to be paid for them to get their shares.
The simple solution to the anarchy in Abia state is the re-introduction of the AVS (Abia state Vigilante service), popularly called the "Bakassi vigilante. They should be introduced to carry out activities the way they used to do it. There is an urgent need for a security outfit that will make those criminals to desist from their heinous activities.
The Nigerian policemen are a set of hungry men, who are very scared of losing their lives, and prefer to think of their families than protect the lives they were employed to protect. The worst part is that they are given loaded guns to carry about, and use in harassing Nigerians.
I still cannot understand why the Nigerian police force seem insolvent, and very useless. I also cannot understand why the Nigerian government cannot just introduce state policing. It will be very much more effective than what we have now.
If the Bakassi boys file out in their usual blood thirsty manner, Those criminals will chill like cubes of ice block

However, the Orji's may have their heads chopped off first by the Bakassi boys. So, I bet T.Orji would rather live in the Anarchy than heed to my suggestion.

Very disheartening.[/b]
Re: The Only Solution To The Chaos In Aba Is The Return Of Bakassi Boys by ayusman16(m): 8:53am On Sep 29, 2010
and who do you think will be recruited if not the same Kidnappers?
Re: The Only Solution To The Chaos In Aba Is The Return Of Bakassi Boys by hakunajay(m): 8:59am On Sep 29, 2010
I believe that these nasty incidences have some political undertones. Bakkassi vigilante group might be the solution afterall!
Re: The Only Solution To The Chaos In Aba Is The Return Of Bakassi Boys by chyz(m): 9:17am On Sep 29, 2010
Justcash:

[b]The unfortunate incidents in Abia state these few days are really disheartening. From the story of a child forced to have S'ex with his mother, to the story of the kidnapping of Nursery/Primary school kids, there is no doubt that the state is in a mess.
These events show how useless the Nigerian police is. I will not be surprised if the police are very much aware of the culprits, but prefer to wait for ransom to be paid for them to get their shares.
The simple solution to the anarchy in Abia state is the re-introduction of the AVS (Abia state Vigilante service), popularly called the "Bakassi vigilante. They should be introduced to carry out activities the way they used to do it. There is an urgent need for a security outfit that will make those criminals to desist from their heinous activities.
The Nigerian policemen are a set of hungry men, who are very scared of losing their lives, and prefer to think of their families than protect the lives they were employed to protect. The worst part is that they are given loaded guns to carry about, and use in harassing Nigerians.
I still cannot understand why the Nigerian police force seem insolvent, and very useless. I also cannot understand why the Nigerian government cannot just introduce state policing. It will be very much more effective than what we have now.
If the Bakassi boys file out in their usual blood thirsty manner, Those criminals will chill like cubes of ice block

However, the Orji's may have their heads chopped off first by the Bakassi boys. So, I bet T.Orji would rather live in the Anarchy than heed to my suggestion.

Very disheartening.[/b]

the Bakassi is still in Aba. I was there early this year.They patrol the streets in their trucks.The thing about them is that there is not factions stationed in each neighborhood or pivital corners which makes things even easier for kidnappers.they go once or twice around an area and thats it for a long period of time.
Re: The Only Solution To The Chaos In Aba Is The Return Of Bakassi Boys by Justcash(m): 9:28am On Sep 29, 2010
chyz:

the Bakassi is still in Aba. I was there early this year.They patrol the streets in their trucks.The thing about them is that there is not factions stationed in each neighborhood or pivital corners which makes things even easier for kidnappers.they go once or twice around an area and thats it for a long period of time.

The Present set of touts that you see patrolling the streets of Aba are not the same "bakassi boys" of old. I dnt know if they bear the same name, but those touts are just members of a petty vigilante group that acts under the pronouncement of Nigeria's extremely corrupt police force.  Their rights of execution are very limited, and they virtually act under the shadows of the Nigerian police force.
How they operate is, if they catch a criminal, they'll have to take the criminal to the police to be detained. As expected, The same criminal will bribe his way out and continue to wreak havoc in Aba.

I am talking of the "Bakassi boys" as we knew them. The ones that were once feared by criminals. The ones that fought crime to a standstill.

Anarchy requires some measure of "Jungle justice" to be curtailed.
Re: The Only Solution To The Chaos In Aba Is The Return Of Bakassi Boys by Justcash(m): 9:36am On Sep 29, 2010
ayusman16:

and who do you think will be recruited if not the same Kidnappers?

O yes, that will make it easier to identify unrepentant Kidnappers. They will be well grounded in the Kidnapping act and will be very effective, since they know the Modus operandi of Kidnappers.
Developed countries use hardened criminals to arrest unrepentant hardened criminals. There are some crimes that cannot be fought by people that have not tasted crime.
Re: The Only Solution To The Chaos In Aba Is The Return Of Bakassi Boys by chyz(m): 9:40am On Sep 29, 2010
Justcash:


The Present set of touts that you see patrolling the streets of Aba are not the same "bakassi boys" of old. I dnt know if they bear the same name, but those touts are just members of a petty vigilante group that acts under the pronouncement of Nigeria's extremely corrupt police force.  Their rights of execution are very limited, and they virtually act under the shadows of the Nigerian police force.
How they operate is, if they catch a criminal, they have to take the criminal to the police to be detained. As expected, The same criminal will bribe his way out and continue to wreak havoc in Aba.

I am talking of the "Bakassi boys" as we knew them. The ones that were once feared by criminals. The ones that fought crime to a standstill.

Anarchy requires some measure of "Jungle justice" to be curtailed.


I doubt Abia gov't will allow it because they are the ones involve with the kidnapping. Peter Obi has brought them back to Anambra.just a few weeks ago they burned like 40 kidnappers and they are continuously searching for them. I guess that is why you dont hear any nonsense from anambra anymore.
Re: The Only Solution To The Chaos In Aba Is The Return Of Bakassi Boys by Nobody: 9:51am On Sep 29, 2010
Justcash:


O yes, that will make it easier to identify unrepentant Kidnappers. They will be well grounded in the Kidnapping act and will be very effective, since they know the Modus operandi of Kidnappers.
Developed countries use hardened criminals to arrest unrepentant hardened criminals. There are some crimes that cannot be fought by people that have not tasted crime.



You're talking RUBBISH


Take a deep breath & read what you typed all over again
Re: The Only Solution To The Chaos In Aba Is The Return Of Bakassi Boys by Justcash(m): 10:05am On Sep 29, 2010
ziddy:


You're talking RUBBISH


Take a deep breath & read what you typed all over again 

I normally don't reply people like you that think unintelligently. However, I feel that I need to let you know the fact that it is indeed a smart move to keep your enemies close to you. It is the only way you can control them.
I don't mean to deviate, but It was your type of unintelligent thinking that the Gowon led government had when they left the potentials abound in the Biafran army unharnessed after Biafra surrendered at the end of the civil war. Even the Americans used arrested German engineers to attain some technological advancement.
Why don't you make a pastor or Imam the I.G, and watch criminals dance to your doorstep with AK 47 rifles.
Ask yourself why the Bakassi boys are so effective!
Re: The Only Solution To The Chaos In Aba Is The Return Of Bakassi Boys by Nobody: 10:19am On Sep 29, 2010
Justcash:


I normally don't reply people like you that think unintelligently. However, I feel that I need to let you know the fact that it is indeed a smart move to keep your enemies close to you. It is the only way you can control them.
I don't mean to deviate, but It was your type of unintelligent thinking that the Gowon led government had when they left the potentials abound in the Biafran army unharnessed after Biafra surrendered at the end of the civil war. Even the Americans used arrested German engineers to attain some technological advancement.
Why don't you make a pastor or Imam the I.G, and watch criminals dance to your doorstep with AK 47 rifles.
Ask yourself why the Bakassi boys are so effective!


Ha! you're the one thinking unintelligently. Is the I.G of police a known/confirmed criminal? Aren't background checks carried out before police recruitment? Aren't you automatically disqualified from such recruitment process if you're found to have a criminal record?

Your thinking process is definitely muddled up

Yes policemen are corrupt and they invariably commit crimes in the line of duty, that is not to say that criminals are recruited into the police force as a matter of policy. Anyone can become a policeman or a pastor, it's the training that makes all the difference.
Re: The Only Solution To The Chaos In Aba Is The Return Of Bakassi Boys by Justcash(m): 10:49am On Sep 29, 2010
ziddy:

Ha! you're the one thinking unintelligently. Is the I.G of police a known/confirmed criminal? Aren't background checks carried out before police recruitment? Aren't you automatically disqualified from such recruitment process if you're found to have a criminal record?

Your thinking process is definitely muddled up

Yes policemen are corrupt and they invariably commit crimes in the line of duty, that is not to say that criminals are recruited into the police force as a matter of policy. Anyone can become a policeman or a pastor, it's the training that makes all the difference.

Before I even argue with you, what do you know about fighting crime? You seem to watch a lot of good cop/bad cop movies. I must tell you that in reality, fighting crime is different. What level has your (Good) I.G of police taken the police force to? When a police force does not know how to use criminals to crush crime, what else can they do? Do you know that Ribadu used ex- Scammers to make a cool sweep of scammers? Do you also know that Akunyili used ex-fake drug specialists to give fake drug practitioners a heck of a time? Why can't the police properly use the Kidnappers in their net to trace and end the kidnapping trend?
If you answer those questions, you will see that you argue in an unintelligent way.
Re: The Only Solution To The Chaos In Aba Is The Return Of Bakassi Boys by idupaul: 12:11pm On Sep 29, 2010
I for one thinks its the creation of bakassi boys years ago that has manifested to this level . Dnt u know its ex bakasi boys that are perptrating all this kidnaps after all the were working for the govt and have scene policing loop holes first hand and are nw using it to their advantage. What aba needs is a brutal police force .
Re: The Only Solution To The Chaos In Aba Is The Return Of Bakassi Boys by udezue(m): 3:42pm On Sep 29, 2010
I'm with JASTCASH.

Ziddy, just tap out.
Re: The Only Solution To The Chaos In Aba Is The Return Of Bakassi Boys by Justcash(m): 5:11pm On Sep 29, 2010
idupaul:

I for one thinks its the creation of bakassi boys years ago that has manifested to this level . Dnt u know its ex bakasi boys that are perptrating all this kidnaps after all the were working for the govt and have scene policing loop holes first hand and are nw using it to their advantage. What aba needs is a brutal police force .
[b]There are many reasons why Nigerians indulge in social vices like Kidnapping. Majority of the reasons are due to Government's negligence. We have able bodied men who would rather work as effective vigilante members, than waste themselves as Kidnappers. The issue is that politicians are playing politics with them. So, they are completely ignored if they are not going to abide to the dictates of the governor. Which is wrong. Orji Uzor Kalu Used them in the past, and turned the Nigerian police on them when they refused to remain his political tool.
I hope you know what you are wishing for by asking for a "Brutal" police force. "Police brutality" in the Nigerian context means, policemen being trigger happy, arresting and despoiling inmates, arresting people at will with little or no investigation, unlawful detention, beaten up Nigerians that refuse to bribe them etc. Since Nigeria's police force cannot be professional and effective, why don't we use men that are good enough to handle the criminals unprofessionally and more effectively than the Nigerian police?
[/b]
Re: The Only Solution To The Chaos In Aba Is The Return Of Bakassi Boys by Onlytruth(m): 5:24pm On Sep 29, 2010
I can't believe that someone recommends a "brutal police force" for any part of Nigeria.
Sad indeed. sad sad

Personally, I think the solution is STATE POLICE.

I have said this countless times. We have a constitution and statutory codes. All that we need are ENFORCERS of those laws.

All those who say that Governors will abuse them are just dumb. So, you prefer kidnappers and thieves abusing you than a probable governor abuse? The governor is one man/woman. Kidnappers and robbers are legion -thousands. Moreover the governors are answerable to a federal constitution and federal police (SSS). They can be arrested if they abuse the law. So, folks should get real.

We need STATE POLICE!
Re: The Only Solution To The Chaos In Aba Is The Return Of Bakassi Boys by Nobody: 5:44pm On Sep 29, 2010
^^

udezue:

I'm with JASTCASH.

Ziddy, just tap out.

It's incredible that people still think vigilante justice is the way to go, in this day & age. Do you have any idea of the number of innocent citizens that were murdered by Bakassi boys, back in the day. Nigerians are their own worst enemies!

S[b]omeone who has private scores to settle with you could just denounce you as a thief in the middle of the market, within the twinkling of an eye, Bakassi boys would have hacked you down with machetes in cold blood. That's vigilante action. That's how it works, in case you don't know![/b]

Onlytruth:

I can't believe that someone recommends a "brutal police force" for any part of Nigeria.
Sad indeed. sad sad

Personally, I think the solution is STATE POLICE.

I have said this countless times. We have a constitution and statutory codes. All that we need are ENFORCERS of those laws.

All those who say that Governors will abuse them are just dumb. So, you prefer kidnappers and thieves abusing you than a probable governor abuse? The governor is one man/woman. Kidnappers and robbers are legion -thousands. Moreover the governors are answerable to a federal constitution and federal police (SSS). They can be arrested if they abuse the law. So, folks should get real.

We need STATE POLICE!

This is flawed logic! How would state police work better in this case?

Shebi they would answer to the Governor, the Governor in this case has chosen to pretend as if nothing is happening in his state. He is complicit! Imagine how far he would have gone with a private army of 'state policemen' at his disposal.

Civil society needs to speak up & force Govt. to do the right thing, instead of cowering in their yards or fleeing the city. We need to continue to speak up as a group anytime we are afflicted. That's the only way to change the current scheme of things!
Re: The Only Solution To The Chaos In Aba Is The Return Of Bakassi Boys by Onlytruth(m): 6:16pm On Sep 29, 2010
ziddy:

^^

This is flawed logic! How would state police work better in this case?

Shebi they would answer to the Governor, the Governor in this case has chosen to pretend as if nothing is happening in his state. He is complicit! Imagine how far he would have gone with a private army of 'state policemen' at his disposal.

Civil society needs to speak up & force Govt. to do the right thing, instead of cowering in their yards or fleeing the city. We need to continue to speak up as a group anytime we are afflicted. That's the only way to change the current scheme of things!

I'm laughing at how you are always quick to call other posters comments "flawed logic". grin

I still maintain that ONLY state police can solve this problem because it holds the state governors accountable for failure to rein in crime. Till now, they always complain that the police is answerable to the IG. Imagine Jonathan instructing the IG in Abuja to find the kidnapped kids in Abia state! shocked shocked
Is he a medium or a sorcerer? How would he find them? Meanwhile the kidnappers have upgraded their demand from N20 million to N40 million. shocked That shows that they are confident of not being caught.  undecided

Like I said before, we still have a federal police -the SSS. My recommendation is to scrap the current Nigerian police. Upgrade and equip the SSS to replace them. The SSS will still remain a "secret police", but they will be empowered to step in and arrest any state governor that abuses the use of the state police (who will not be more armed than the SSS).

The main duty of the state police would be to CONTINUOUSLY SEARCH for criminals, instead of a fire brigade approach whereby they respond only when a crime is committed.

The states should receive their share of funds for such state force from the federal government. Such funds will come from the money currently being wasted on the Nigerian police force. So, it goes like this:

Step one: Upgrade the SSS to become like FBI
Step two: Sack and dismantle current Nigeria police
Step three: Disburse NPF funds to the states to help fund their new state police.

Of course states can add to the federal funds to implement a more robust state police within the bounds of the enabling law.

This is a no brainer.

Make me the president of Nigeria today and I will implement this in one year.  cool cool
Re: The Only Solution To The Chaos In Aba Is The Return Of Bakassi Boys by Nobody: 6:32pm On Sep 29, 2010
Onlytruth:


Like I said before, we still have a federal police -the SSS. My recommendation is to scrap the current Nigerian police. Upgrade and equip the SSS to replace them. The SSS will still remain a "secret police", but they will be empowered to step in and arrest any state governor that abuses the use of the state police (who will not be more armed than the SSS).


How would you determine when the state police are being abused by the governor? who would even know or have evidence of such abuse? Believe me some Governors are still getting positive results out of the 'Federal' police as we have it (Lagos State is a case in point) while others are getting interactively negative results (Ikedi Ohakim, anyone).

State policing as you've outlined it might as well be the end of the entity called Nigeria  because it will lead to a lot of mayhem & bloodshed. To suborn even the SSS or the police, as a Governor all you need is to be in the good books of Abuja. And you spend money for them. Anything you want they will do for you! The problem as I see it is just a general unwillingness to enforce the law, on the part of our institutions.

We cannot handle state police yet, not with our fu.cked up legal system & corrupt public officials. We cant.
Re: The Only Solution To The Chaos In Aba Is The Return Of Bakassi Boys by ucnduka(f): 6:43pm On Sep 29, 2010
As much as I would have loved to disagree with the poster, I have to say that the failure of supposed modern instituitions like d police force has made the people to resort to diabolical means to solve security probs. If d rate of kidnapping in Edo state could reduce because of d curse pronounced on the Kidnappers by d Oba, why wön't people clamour 4 d return of Bakassi boys? The fact is the police force does not any strategy for combatting kidnapping for now and maybe in a few years time(considering d fact that they still cannot unravel d mystery bhind a lot of high profile murder cases). The solution to resolving may sadly lie outside d police force for now.
Re: The Only Solution To The Chaos In Aba Is The Return Of Bakassi Boys by Onlytruth(m): 7:00pm On Sep 29, 2010
ziddy:

How would you determine when the state police are being abused by the governor? who would even know or have evidence of such abuse? Believe me some Governors are still getting positive results out of the 'Federal' police as we have it (Lagos State is a case in point) while others are getting interactively negative results (Ikedi Ohakim, anyone).

State policing as you've outlined it might as well be the end of the entity called Nigeria  because it will lead to a lot of mayhem & bloodshed. To suborn even the SSS or the police, as a Governor all you need is to be in the good books of Abuja. And you spend money for them. Anything you want they will do for you! The problem as I see it is just a general unwillingness to enforce the law, on the part of our institutions.

We cannot handle state police yet, not with our fu.cked up legal system & corrupt public officials. We cant.

The bolded misinformation is why it has not been implemented yet. It is FALSE that it would lead to breakdown of law and order. What we have already is breakdown of law and order, and the current system has been practiced for 50 years with no results.  undecided angry
Since I was born, I have never lived in Nigeria without the fear of armed robbers. What I have lived with is an intrinsically inefficient, bloated and dysfunctional Nigerian police force. It just does not work!

Nigeria is a federation with federal and state levels of authority and laws. Why is the federal government doing a job that can only be efficiently done by the state level of government? What type of upside down thinking is that?
If we don't want to practice federalism again, we should stop deceiving ourselves and go back to unitary system like the British.
We are practicing an American system of government. Why can't we enforce our laws like the US? Why are we trying to enforce it like the British? That is really retarded.

Like I said, any state governor that abuses the laws establishing the force will be arrested by a more armed federal police (SSS).
This is also why I advocate for a strong leadership at the federal level. With a strong president, no state governor will stray from the laws, and nobody will undermine the country.

Without a strong leader in Nigeria, NOTHING WILL CHANGE.
Re: The Only Solution To The Chaos In Aba Is The Return Of Bakassi Boys by slap1(m): 7:46pm On Sep 29, 2010
I admire your interest in seeing kidnapers given a hard time but, bros, I prefer ordinary MOPOL to Bakassi Boys. I know why I say so.
Re: The Only Solution To The Chaos In Aba Is The Return Of Bakassi Boys by MaziUche0(m): 7:54pm On Sep 29, 2010
I do not prefer MOPOL. I prefer Bakassi!

I would even help finance them like my uncles used to do.

Let them fin the kidnappers in burn them in the street! Better yet, Bakassi can give the kidnappers over to the people and watch them rip them to shreds!
Re: The Only Solution To The Chaos In Aba Is The Return Of Bakassi Boys by slap1(m): 8:12pm On Sep 29, 2010
Uche take it easy. The Bakassi you probably saw before leaving is a lot different from the one on ground (you can also ask your uncles). These ones are clowns, they only know how to raid marijuana smokers.
Re: The Only Solution To The Chaos In Aba Is The Return Of Bakassi Boys by Odunnu: 8:21pm On Sep 29, 2010
How true is this information I jst heard,that a state of Emergency has been declared on the state?
Re: The Only Solution To The Chaos In Aba Is The Return Of Bakassi Boys by slap1(m): 8:26pm On Sep 29, 2010
Where did you hear this, Odunnu?
Re: The Only Solution To The Chaos In Aba Is The Return Of Bakassi Boys by Odunnu: 8:41pm On Sep 29, 2010
Somebody called frm PHC, to say she heard.
Thats why i'm asking,she's nt sure herself.
Re: The Only Solution To The Chaos In Aba Is The Return Of Bakassi Boys by Odunnu: 8:44pm On Sep 29, 2010
Somebody called frm PHC, to say she heard.
Thats why i'm asking,she's nt sure herself.
Re: The Only Solution To The Chaos In Aba Is The Return Of Bakassi Boys by Nobody: 8:55pm On Sep 29, 2010
ayusman16:

and who do you think will be recruited if not the same Kidnappers?
Who knows maybe they are the ones being used to perpetrate most of these kidnappings ? If not,the good ones among them may be use as a source of reliable information by the security agencies since they know most of these kidnappers
Re: The Only Solution To The Chaos In Aba Is The Return Of Bakassi Boys by slap1(m): 9:01pm On Sep 29, 2010
I can't confirm it either, but I doubt GJ would do that. Anyways I'm leaving tomorrow.
Re: The Only Solution To The Chaos In Aba Is The Return Of Bakassi Boys by tarano: 9:15pm On Sep 29, 2010
I have a radical option why don't we privatize the police force, and hire corporate/security law enforcers, like the Executive outcomes, Defense Systems Limited, Lifeguard, Sandline and Saracen. There are lots of them that can do some policing for us, or show us how to police,

Wallai if I'm a Governor, I will hire those firms, at least that will guarantee business people, investors, the local people of the security of their lives and property,

Nigerians need to know that security is very important for national development, If Nigerian children can not travel within Nigeria because they can get kidnapped, then Nigerians need a rethink of priorities,

closer, an uncle of a friend just got killed in Nigeria after spending over 15years in Canada, was killed in Nigeria after 1 month in Nigeria,

I am scared of traveling to the east, right now,
Re: The Only Solution To The Chaos In Aba Is The Return Of Bakassi Boys by Nobody: 9:23pm On Sep 29, 2010
tarano:

I have a radical option why don't we [s]privatize the police force, and hire corporate/security law enforcers, like the Executive outcomes, Defense Systems Limited,[/s] there are lots of them that can downsize and do some policing for us, or show us how to police,

Wallai if I'm a Governor, I will hire those firms, at least that will guarantee business people, investors, the local people of the security of their lives and property,

Nigerians need to know that security is very important for national development, If as a Nigerian I am scared of traveling to a state so that i do not get kidnapped, then Nigerians need a rethink of priorities,

closer, an uncle of a friend just got killed in Nigeria after spending over 15years in Canada, was killed in Nigeria after 1 month in Nigeria,

I am scared of traveling to the east, right now,
You don't privatize a sector like security which is exclusively a function of government and a show of federal power.it's more or less asking for nigeria to be privatized.
Re: The Only Solution To The Chaos In Aba Is The Return Of Bakassi Boys by MaziUche0(m): 12:06am On Sep 30, 2010
~Bluetooth:

You don't privatize a sector like security which is exclusively a function of government and a show of federal power.it's more or less asking for nigeria to be privatized.

Agreed. You do not privatize security. I can't believe I read that from someone. Security should always be in the hand of a government.

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