What I've written above may seem taboo but I'm sure if foreign beef and other meats such as chicken and turkey are imported with low tariffs on them (not more than 20%), it would bring down the price of beef and deal a blow to the profits of the herdsmen

They'll probably still be profitable but not to the present extent where they have a lock on the business.

A reduction in profits may drive many from the business

I dont think it would end all the violence or herding but it would greatly reduce it. I say this because other neighboring countries dont have frozen beef bans. The other big issue is the police are inept. Nigerians dont even consume that much beef per capita yet they get killed over it. Why stop at beef why not go down the list?

Notice you're allowed to import live cows but not beef. The competition from Americans and Brazilians would make them chage their business practices.

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It's not a bad idea

dawnomike:
It's not a bad idea

Maybe we should ban the Fulani from Nigeria or better still stop grass from growing.

The proposal makes sense but Buhari and most Nigerians are protectionist at heart. We import fish without an issue but these businesses need protection in their mind. The NASS could intervene but it needs veto proof majority if it requires law change.

Bump

grandstar:
What I've written above may seem taboo but I'm sure if foreign beef and other meats such as chicken and turkey are imported with low tariffs on them (not more than 20%), it would bring down the price of beef and deal a blow to the profits of the herdsmen

They'll probably still be profitable but not to the present extent where they have a lock on the business.

A reduction in profits may drive many from the business

not good for the economic...


I suggest sambisa forest should be a good reserve for them.....

Yeah

ken6488:
not good for the economic...

I suggest sambisa forest should be a good reserve for them.....

Yeah

Why is ok for Nigeria to import the cows and pigs but not the beef and pork? After all these years of protectionism they chose not to adapt and tax payers have to heap more subsidies on thier business. Now states and FG are planning building cattle reservesfor them. The cost to use facilities hasn't been mentioned either.

The economy will be fine. Nigerians will get cheaper food prices. The cattle rearers will simply have to adapt like fishers and fish farmers do.

Blue3k:
Bump

Stop copying BishopMagic

Are there no herders where we are importing from?

Blue3k:


Why is ok for Nigeria to import the cows and pigs but not the beef and pork? After all these years of protectionism they chose not to adapt and tax payers have to heap more subsidies on thier business. Now states and FG are planning building cattle reservesfor them. The cost to use facilities hasn't been mentioned either.

The economy will be fine. Nigerians will get cheaper food prices. The cattle rearers will simply have to adapt like fishers and fish farmers do.

cool

SluttanSlayer:




Stop copying BishopMagic

Dont act dense. Who ever this guy is didn't coin the term.

Blue3k:


Dont act dense. Who ever this guy is didn't coin the term.

Nah oladimeji coin am abi?

Well, when governments fail.

Its now in NL that we proffer solutions to national issues.

Who did we offend?

SluttanSlayer:


Nah oladimeji coin am abi?

Again stop acting dense. You know this term is old as dirt. Comment on the topic instead.

helinues:
Are there no herders where we are importing from?

Nigeria does import cattle not beef. Alot of Niger Republic herdsmen do come down to Nigeria to sell in open markets.

There should be other countries we import cattle from though but Im having hard time finding it in NBS. I did see stuff on atlas.mit

SluttanSlayer:

Stop copying BishopMagic

Relax, people do that everywhere. Even on Facebook groups to bump up old posts.

helinues:
Are there no herders where we are importing from?

America, Argentina, Uruguay and Brazil use ranches.

Blue3k:


Again stop acting dense. You know this term is old as dirt. Comment on the topic instead.



Nigeria does import cattle not beef. Alot of Niger Republic herdsmen do come down to Nigeria to sell in open markets.

There should be other countries we import cattle from though but Im having hard time finding it in NBS. I did see stuff on atlas.mit

My brother's friend imports steak from South Africa for his restaurant. I don't think the Fulani have a steak culture

grandstar:
What I've written above may seem taboo but I'm sure if foreign beef and other meats such as chicken and turkey are imported with low tariffs on them (not more than 20%), it would bring down the price of beef and deal a blow to the profits of the herdsmen

They'll probably still be profitable but not to the present extent where they have a lock on the business.

A reduction in profits may drive many from the business

Assuming Nigeria's ridiculously mismanaged ports don't mess things up, I suspect the Fulani nomads wouldn't be able to compete with foreign imports on either price or quality, not even for milk let alone beef. The real problem (apart from Nigerians love for failed protectionist policies) is that any mass imports would probably end up sitting for months in Apapa, thanks to a refusal to sell off (or at least concession) the port to private management with proven expertise: this in turn would drive up the price of the imports well beyond what it costs to buy and ship them to Nigeria. Fulani herdsmen, with their finely-honed skills at evading border controls, don't have to worry about such hassles as grasping, incompetent customs agents ...

grandstar:


My brother's friend imports steak from South Africa for his restaurant. I don't think the Fulani have a steak culture

Yeah I notice that aswell. Personally on my visits to Akwa Ibom I don't see state to buy or ground beef. Maybe I'm not looking hard enough but I do find at shoprite in Abuja.

Hey cutting beef is skill they can pick up easily. The butchers just need practice..

omohayek:

Assuming Nigeria's ridiculously mismanaged ports don't mess things up, I suspect the Fulani nomads wouldn't be able to compete with foreign imports on either price or quality, not even for milk let alone beef. The real problem (apart from Nigerians love for failed protectionist policies) is that any mass imports would probably end up sitting for months in Apapa, thanks to a refusal to sell off (or at least concession) the port to private management with proven expertise: this in turn would drive up the price of the imports well beyond what it costs to buy and ship them to Nigeria. Fulani herdsmen, with their finely-honed skills at evading border controls, don't have to worry about such hassles as grasping, incompetent customs agents ...

In the early 1990's when the CFA was greatly overvalued, Fulani herdsmen more often left Ivory Coast empty handed rather than sell at a loss. Imported beef was much cheaper.

However, upon the 50% devaluation in 1994, Fulani beef could now compete with the imported variety.

I suspect the Fulani's are competitive, but not sure to what extent.

Whether competitive or not, government needs to end their impunity

grandstar:


In the early 1990's when the CFA was greatly overvalued, Fulani herdsmen more often left Ivory Coast empty handed rather than sell at a loss. Imported beef was much cheaper.

However, upon the 50% devaluation in 1994, Fulani beef could now compete with the imported variety.

I suspect the Fulani's are competitive, but not sure to what extent.

Whether competitive or not, government needs to end their impunity

Even if they seem competitive now, how much of an advantage would they retain if

[1] they had to pay proper the same sorts of import duties as companies bringing in beef from Argentina and the USA,
[2] they had to ensure that their cattle met minimal health and safety standards of the sort imported Western beef would easily pass.

In short, I suspect any illusory cost advantage these herders may possess is due more to Nigeria's dysfunction as a state than anything else.

omohayek:

Even if they seem competitive now, how much of an advantage would they retain if

[1] they had to pay proper the same sorts of import duties as companies bringing in beef from Argentina and the USA,
[2] they had to ensure that their cattle met minimal health and safety standards of the sort imported Western beef would easily pass.

In short, I suspect any illusory cost advantage these herders may possess is due more to Nigeria's dysfunction as a state than anything else.

I met a lady who came from Kenya and expressed surprise that butchers here did not sell meat on the ground floor of a building. It really seemed strange to her. That's Kenya that's poorer than Nigeria The economy of Lagos us even bigger than their economy.

This ruga settlement adds new dimensions to discussion. If the government is willing to assist their business why should they deny Nigerians options of importing?

Coming to bump thread yet again. It seem the proposal is an inevitable no matter how it's sliced and diced. The Nigerian population is growing rapidly and as wealth grows demand spikes. Nigeria currently needs 20% of the land dedicated to beef production. This means we'll never be "self sufficient" in this beef.

Right now nigeria consumes less beef on average that most African countries. The stats will get worse looking at milk production. Nigeria will be decent producers and high importer.