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Gej, You Can Still Redeem Yourself by Nobody: 9:12am On Oct 08, 2010 |
http://234next.com/csp/cms/sites/Next/Home/5628053-146/story.csp Time to tell the truth |
Re: Gej, You Can Still Redeem Yourself by Gbawe: 9:42am On Oct 08, 2010 |
We are disappointed, to say the least, that the president inserted himself so publicly into a criminal incident before law enforcement authorities even had a chance to conduct investigations. It is not the president’s place to pronounce on the guilt or innocence of anyone. That is why we have police, the State Security Service, and a plethora of other agencies charged with preventing crime and enforcing the law. All that we require of our president, in the immediate aftermath of such traumatic events as the bloody bombings in Abuja on Oct. 1, are words of comfort to the survivors and their families, reassurance for an anxious public, and a promise to ensure that law enforcement agencies brought perpetrators to book. This was my same argument immediately after Jonathan absolved MEND of culpability over the Abuja bombing. What kind of ineptitude and cluelessness will lead a President to show himself up as a partisan clog in the wheel of investigative crime fighting? No matter the information available to Jonathan he should not have spoken in a manner that suggests he is preempting justice or attempting to sabotage ongoing investigations into a very serious crime against Nigeria. Jonathan, instead of speaking in defence of MEND and inviting former militants for tea and biscuits , should, first and foremost , seek to lift the spirit of Nigerians. Alas a President totally distracted by an inordinate ambition cannot realise this. With Jonathan granting audience to two speakers of Ogun State and then former militants it is obvious Mr.President is living up to accusations that he is a Political opportunist and "window dresser" not interested in tackling the problems that trouble Nigerians. |
Re: Gej, You Can Still Redeem Yourself by netotse(m): 10:01am On Oct 08, 2010 |
i cant fault the article, GEJ and his handlers have been going from one faux pas to the other. . .they should just calm down and make factual statements, i think there are too many people being touted as speaking for GEJ, imo the guy needs to rein in the praise singers before they do irreparable damage to his profile. @oyb you should head over to NVS and read the ribadu interviews. . .your guy no try at all, he gets an A for passion though. . . P.S. you really need to come to my neck of the woods to hear gist about the guy sef. . .in fact a lot of your fav people have ties to this area sef |
Re: Gej, You Can Still Redeem Yourself by princekevo(m): 10:08am On Oct 08, 2010 |
The bold is exactly what we have been trying to make his blind supporters understand. But they think with their blind support they were doing Jonathan any good. We all know Jonathan is still a student in the school of politic, blindly supporting him even when we know he has falling inside a gutter will never help him in anywhere, will rather make him look more foolish. Obama is getting stronger and better in politics becoz of the critics from the American people. Some might be consider right and he secretly take correction and some be wrong. But one thing i hate abt this Jonathan's supporter is that they are so blind that even when Jonathan mess they will consider it a presidential mess. If you speak against it you are being termed as Pro-IBB. Limiting Nigerians intelligent to IBB-Jonathan battle arena. |
Re: Gej, You Can Still Redeem Yourself by mbulela: 10:29am On Oct 08, 2010 |
netotse: kai, walahi! the guy no try at all. He is so naive that he cannot even tell a proper lie. how could he not think out the Tinubu and Babangida angle properly? He has too much work to do but very little time. my vote is just hanging,looking for who to vote for. certainly not anybody in PDP. |
Re: Gej, You Can Still Redeem Yourself by mbulela: 10:39am On Oct 08, 2010 |
[b]What a bloody, barefaced liar, this Ribadu! Below is a direct quote of what he said on the senate floor in 2006 about both Tinubu and Mrs Jonathan. If you declare that someone (Patience) "is involved in money laundering" is that not an indictment? If you say "Tinubu's corruption has an international dimension" is that not a damaging indictment? Is that not the widely published statement, made on the senate floor, that prompted Tinubu to fire back that Ribadu was being used by OBJ against him. I cannot believe that Ribadu would go on record to deny these two indictments! Gosh! If nothing else, this NVS interview has solidified Ribadu's reputation as yet another flaky pol who would lie, compromise his integrity, and exonerate corruption to win power. What a loser! What a waste! Indeed, Ibori should offer to finance his campaign and the next thing we'll be reading is that "I never indicted Ibori." I am weak. Then there is the annoying, non-stop whining and complaining about being held accountable for his own record--being asked to explain his actions and statements. Would someone remind this buffoon that he is running for the highest office in the country and that it is legitimate to scrutinize every fiber of his past record, including his many silly unguarded statements? Listen to the fool: "you're asking me about something I did four or five years ago, in which I gave my best, bla bla bla!" Answer the frigging question and quit whining. Defend your damn record or own up to and apologize for your mistakes. The gra-gra in this guys is unbelievable. What a bully and intemperate fool! He thinks he should be worshipped. He thinks he should not be asked to explain his curious/controversial, and image-undercutting statements. He doesn't think it is "fair" to ask about what he did or said as EFCC chairman. He should not be asked to provide specifics. You can't ask him to explain why Tinubu, whom he clearly indicted (see below), is bankrolling his entire campaign and shadowing him around. He should not be asked how that might hamstrung him as president and undermine his future war on corruption. You can't ask him why it is hypocritical to rail against corruption and those who embody it and then say that you do not mind being funded by corrupt politicians' money "as long as they won't put the money in my pocket." You can't ask him why he exonerated corruption kingpins like Andy Ubah, OBJ, and Bode George (who was later convicted of the same charges). You can't ask why he removed Yardy's name from his so-called corruption list because he was told that "his corruption was not personal." No he won't let you ask these questions without whining about how "I have suffered," how "they wanted to kill me," how "I was humiliated," without him accusing you of trying to "pin me down" or to "smear me." He thinks that because he was dismissed and humiliated out the police, he should be given a free ride to the presidency of the most populous black nation on earth; we should simply gather at Eagle square for a coronation of Savior Ribadu. He should be patronized with easy questions that'll elicit more grandstanding and populist drivel. This is the nail in the coffin of Ribadu's campaign. For starters, this guy may have to learn to act maturely--to act his age. He is close to 50 for crying out loud and he's acting like a 22 year old caffeinated, self-absorbed bully. [/b] Not my exact words but i agree with every word in there. I am so disillusioned. |
Re: Gej, You Can Still Redeem Yourself by Nobody: 10:45am On Oct 08, 2010 |
I like caption of this thread. There is still hope for GEJ if he can start acting right and whip his un-cordinated bandwagon into line also. He should learn when to talk and when to keep mum, and most important, how best to talk. He is MR. President and should act like one |
Re: Gej, You Can Still Redeem Yourself by egift(m): 11:18am On Oct 08, 2010 |
If he cannot call press conference (not that yeye Facebook) and apologise to Nigerians for those lies, his stand on MEND and for wasting our bilions, he can as well forget the elections. |
Re: Gej, You Can Still Redeem Yourself by Aussienavy: 11:36am On Oct 08, 2010 |
Re: Gej, You Can Still Redeem Yourself by 9ijaMan: 11:51am On Oct 08, 2010 |
seconded! |
Re: Gej, You Can Still Redeem Yourself by violent(m): 12:00pm On Oct 08, 2010 |
egift: Do you speak for Nigerians as a whole?. . .or your villagers?. . .or your neighbors?. . .or yourself? The Post is spot on, after a careful observation of the bomb crisis, as well as the wasteful manner the president spent the country's resources at the 50th Independence, i have since made up my mind that GEJ is no longer having my vote. |
Re: Gej, You Can Still Redeem Yourself by Chadrack(m): 12:38pm On Oct 08, 2010 |
"The bold is exactly what we have been trying to make his blind supporters understand. But they think with their blind support they were doing Jonathan any good. We all know Jonathan is still a student in the school of politic, blindly supporting him even when we know he has falling inside a gutter will never help him in anywhere, will rather make him look more foolish. Obama is getting stronger and better in politics becoz of the critics from the American people. Some might be consider right and he secretly take correction and some be wrong. But one thing i hate abt this Jonathan's supporter is that they are so blind that even when Jonathan mess they will consider it a presidential mess. If you speak against it you are being termed as Pro-IBB. Limiting Nigerians intelligent to IBB-Jonathan battle arena." @ princekevo, I ask that you read again your comment. with the sections I've put in bold. Now, the issue is not a matter of supporting GEJ, the issue is trying to make nigerians see that we have moved beyond the sectional and myopic nigeria of yesterday. The president may have made a mistake of coming out boldly to make those statements when he did. But I want to say he did that becos as you said he is new to the game of telling lies as others have perfected theirs. To me he is the right person for the new nigeria not some who will hoodwink us with lies. Their time is past. We want a new nigeria and Jonathan will definitely help us in that. I also believe as you said, like obama, Jonathan will grow into maturity in politics. Let us not judge with the yardstick of the past leaders. those who work with him testify to the man's ability to listen. Give him the chance. I'd have gladly go for Ribadu, but most of you also shows he lacks experience compared to Jonathan, from your comments. Ribadu is a man with a clean mind but without the experience, which I believe Jonathan already has, Ribadu will not be able to do anything. I think it is time for the young generation of ths nation to stand up and do waht is right by supporting our leaders. |
Re: Gej, You Can Still Redeem Yourself by Chadrack(m): 12:45pm On Oct 08, 2010 |
@violent , So who are you thinking of giving your votes? This is the same mistake that our elders did in the past. We judge in a moment of anger and what happens, the next day we regret! Pls sit down again and consider why you had the mind of giving him your votes before. Is this one mistake bigger than that reason. May the lord help you to decide. |
Re: Gej, You Can Still Redeem Yourself by 9ijaMan: 12:52pm On Oct 08, 2010 |
Chadrack: There's no need to campaign here. Jonathan did not start lying today. Go to Bayelsa state and get more info about him. He started what he was too naive to finish. People thought he'll be different apparently because of his numerous FaceBook posts which obviously he did not write himself. Now everyone is seeing GEJ for who he really is, an inept loud moth who's more of talking than working. |
Re: Gej, You Can Still Redeem Yourself by violent(m): 1:13pm On Oct 08, 2010 |
Chadrack: for now, my vote is hanging, i have lost my confidence in Jonathan although he seem the preferred choice given the list of other aspirants. I'm definitely not voting IBB, Saraki, Asari Dokubo, Henry Okah, Atiku or Dele Momdu! |
Re: Gej, You Can Still Redeem Yourself by netotse(m): 1:24pm On Oct 08, 2010 |
@violent i'm with you on that. . .out of all the aspirants, there's no one worth my vote(GEJ included) but if no worthy candidate comes forward by election time, i will vote for GEJ. |
Re: Gej, You Can Still Redeem Yourself by Dede1(m): 2:09pm On Oct 08, 2010 |
GEJ exudes everything wrong about Nigeria. If judging by the posts on this forum following the bomb blast in Abuja, I say the cross section of Nigerian society is screwed. GEJ has displayed unacceptable dereliction of duty and gross incompetence as nation’s leader. Those Nigerian who seemed to be flagrantly pointing accusing fingers at IBB and others should take a serious look at them selves. Where is GEJ the chief security officer of Nigeria? Where are the IGP, Director of SSS, Armed forces Intelligent Boss, Minister of Internal Affairs, Minister of FCT, Chief of Defense Staff and National Assembly Oversight and Intelligent Committee? In fact, the Nigeria has gone beyond geographical expression. Somebody needs to be impeached and sacked. |
Re: Gej, You Can Still Redeem Yourself by Gbawe: 2:12pm On Oct 08, 2010 |
netotse: Netotse, I read the interview and I think your conclusion , along with those of some on NVS, is wrong . The Interview may not be brilliant , because it is impromptu, but it will actually endear Ribadu to Nigerians because the former EFCC boss spoke honestly , passionately and intelligently on many issues . I have always found NVS to be a sanctimonious forum full of pompous charlatans , with an overblown and deluded appraisal of their own intellect . Many on NVS are actually dense because their thinking is clouded by a clamour for unrealistic idealism. Nairaland is actually a better and more honest mix of Nigerians. This is why I post here and nowhere else. Ribadu may not be an economic guru like Utomi but an economic guru is not what Nigeria needs right now. Nigeria needs a leader who has the good qualities of OBJ plus the sincerity and the integrity to eschew cynical self-enrichment that our former President did not have. Ribadu is the only sane choice and those who are undecided should hear me out impartially. Ribadu is an OBJ with sincerity. We all know that OBJ is brave, singleminded, detribalised, determined , energetic(rumoured to work almost 24 hours) and capable of inspiring others. OBJ is no economist but he showed good leadership when he meritocratically assembled technocrats and supported them to deliver results for Nigeria. Where OBJ falls short is his corrupt nature and desire for personal aggrandizement. The NIPP, TRANSCORP, sale of refineries are a few example of good initiative hijacked by the greed and lack of enduring integrity of OBJ. Iyabo Obasanjo got NIPP contracts when she knows Nada about power generation!!!! Now, let us imagine what Ribadu brings to the table that is pertinent to Nigeria of today. Ribadu will be everything OBJ is but without the greed , corruption and primitive lust for self-enrichment. This is a man who took $15 million bribe to the CBN as evidence of graft We all know that , like OBJ, Ribadu is tough, resolute, energetic and highly driven. Ribadu will encourage the best technocratic hands to transform Nigeria and , unlike OBJ, he will not hijack their initiative to enrich himself and his cronies as OBJ did many, many times. I know , for example, that the NIPP scheme would have been a success under Ribadu. Someone (and I might actually join up to do it) should tell those shortsighted observers on NVS that Nigeria , right now, simply needs a President who is brave, has integrity, will fight corruption vigorously and enable many highly talented technocrats to deliver for Nigeria. Let the noisemakers at NVF also make sure to tell us when other presidential candidates refuse to grant them an interview . The stonewalling and lack of interviews I am predicting NVS will experience with other candidates , with a realistic chance of becoming President , will only highlight how Ribadu , even if he makes mistakes, is always available to dialogue with Nigerians as a mark of an individual who wants to serve genuinely. Can this be said of IBB, GEJ, Atiku et al? Ribadu will make mistakes but will emerge from them stronger. Dreamers can back the likes of Utomi , who can design impressive economic growth spreadsheets, but those who are really aware of what Nigeria need will understand that we want an OBJ who is sincere . We want an OBJ who , through sheer strenght of character, can support other good leaders and their good initiatives without then turning around to use said initiative as a 'get rich quick' scheme. Ribadu is far out there as the best choice candidate who has OBJ's good qualities without our former President's flaws. |
Re: Gej, You Can Still Redeem Yourself by Kobojunkie: 2:20pm On Oct 08, 2010 |
violent: Preferred? Even though a Vote for Jonathan still means a Vote for IBB, Saraki and the others you have on your list there? Gosh!!! What is with this "I am for Change even though I am voting Against Change" Trend? |
Re: Gej, You Can Still Redeem Yourself by Faeb: 2:26pm On Oct 08, 2010 |
netotse: I saw the interview and laughed my head off. I like Ribadu, but he just isn't ready, not at all! So many things wrong, he still had to explain and re-explain for the umpteenth time, his unfortunate quip about 5000 policemen stopping violent crime in a nation of 150 million. It was frankly embarrassing. I was going to post it here, but thought it would be too much. |
Re: Gej, You Can Still Redeem Yourself by Nobody: 2:32pm On Oct 08, 2010 |
Kobojunkie:Your mama born you well sis. Same group in d same rotten PDP. [size=15pt]Goodluck Ebele Jonathan Azikiwe[/size] [size=15pt]| Awolowo Belewa[/size] soon to be appended = [size=15pt]Inconsistency incorporated![/size] |
Re: Gej, You Can Still Redeem Yourself by netotse(m): 2:42pm On Oct 08, 2010 |
@gbawe so, just because some people dont like NR they are now dense, pompous and idealistic? guy you can like to comport yourself, why dont you help organise interviews with presidential candidates now on nairaland now. . .Just say you didn't get along with the crowd over there. P.S. impromptu? who told you so? so you think you can just call ribadu up and talk with him for an hour just like that? them interviews (buhari and ribadu, next dele momodu, heck there's even a podcast with one of GEJs SAs) have been planned since. oh and yeah, the crowd on NVS are much older than the NL crowd, so not getting along with them is natural |
Re: Gej, You Can Still Redeem Yourself by Gbawe: 2:43pm On Oct 08, 2010 |
jabbok: Indeed . The PDP's leadership ideology starts ands finish with a crude formula of sharing Nigeria's wealth and important offices amongst members of the Party. It does not matter if it is IBB, GEJ, Atiku, Saraki or Gusau. A PDP Presidency is a poisoned chalice for Nigeria. |
Re: Gej, You Can Still Redeem Yourself by Gekko(m): 2:45pm On Oct 08, 2010 |
Gbawe: Well Said! Cant believe folks would pass up on a man who has dedicated half of his life to public service, trained lawyer, law enforcer, built efcc from scratch, pounded his chest and stood up against corruption. Since his departure from efcc he has completed fellowships at oxford and harvard, how can you possibly weigh all of this against a simple-minded tool like GEJ. If you wish to continue to knit-pick at Ribadus flaws, i leave you with this qoute from Theodore Roosevelt: "It is not the critic who counts: not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself for a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat. |
Re: Gej, You Can Still Redeem Yourself by Gbawe: 2:54pm On Oct 08, 2010 |
netotse:I maintain that they are based on how they write. .Just say you didn't get along with the crowd over there. I have never posted there so who did I not "get along with"? P.S. impromptu? who told you so? so you think you can just call ribadu up and talk with him for an hour just like that? them interviews (buhari and ribadu, next dele momodu, heck there's even a podcast with one of GEJs SAs) have been planned since. I await the interview with others . oh and yeah, the crowd on NVS are much older than the NL crowd, so not getting along with them is natural Well, we both know that "seniority" in Nigeria is just another word to justify dismissing those who are younger as irrelevant so the archaic mindset of NVS forumers is totally understandable. |
Re: Gej, You Can Still Redeem Yourself by Gbawe: 3:05pm On Oct 08, 2010 |
Gekko: Good talk my brother . "Knit-pick" is not all they do. They deliberately fail to highlight parts of the interview in which Ribadu shows he is indeed a candidate , of all those available , worth considering. http://www.nigeriavillagesquare.com/articles/nvs/candidate-interviews-2-part-6-nuhu-ribadu-on-jonathan-spoiler-rumors-and-campaign-funding.html VIABILITY OF CAMPAIGN ARE YOU FRONTING FOR OR A SPOILER FOR JONATHAN? To be fair to a lot of your supporters, lots of them are very young, very idealistic and you have to admit that it would have come to them as somewhat of a shock and a letdown if you have said, as you were reported to have said in the presence of Mr. Tinubu, that you don’t worry about the moralities of people who, |
Re: Gej, You Can Still Redeem Yourself by netotse(m): 3:13pm On Oct 08, 2010 |
archaic mindset? notice i refrained from positing they were smarter than the NL crowd because such generalizations are counter-productive. both NVS and NL are very different, they cater to different sets of people and as such the ideas there differ, can you for a second try to imagine why your beloved NR would let himself be interviewed by NVS if they were as terrible as you make them out to be? guy we're not here to discuss the different forums but still your generalizations are wayyyy of the mark |
Re: Gej, You Can Still Redeem Yourself by bawomolo(m): 3:21pm On Oct 08, 2010 |
after an attack of this magnitude. in a civilized world, resignations would be flying left and right. in china and saudi-arabia, heads would be hung left and right. in nigeria, rumours and legends would be flying left and right. |
Re: Gej, You Can Still Redeem Yourself by Gbawe: 3:29pm On Oct 08, 2010 |
netotse: Lets be frank . You yourself mentioned that NVS forumers are older than Nairalanders. I hope you are not insinuation the usual cliche that elderly age equates wisdom . That NVS forumers are older would explain why many are jaded . Afterall Babangida said the young are not ready to lead , echoing the sentiments of many elderly Nigerians, when Obama, David Cameron and Nick Clegg are all under 50. The comments on Ribadu's interviews , from many , were totally lacking in objectivity. If NVS forumers imagine that the leader Nigeria needs right now is a candidate that can articulate a presentation on complex economic model , with fancy spreadsheet to boot, then their mindset is even more "archaic" than I thought. No doubt there are areas Ribadu can learn and improve upon. I admit this because , like Ribadu, his fans tend to be honest unlike those who come here to lie and claim their candidate to be what they are not. Ribadu himself, in the same interview, posits that no one individual can have all the solutions. What is important is for leaders to support the meritocratic emergence of other leaders in putting square pegs in square holes to move Nigeria forward . You say you will support GEJ. Tell me how many of his appointment are meritocratic and how many symbolise the clueless redeployment of those who have nothing to offer (Danjuma, et al) and have gotten Nigeria where it is today? While Ribadu is embracing the most progressive Nigerians , and they are responding with undiluted approval of the former EFCC boss, what is GEJ, IBB and others doing? I think when all is said and done it will suffice to say that Ribadu understands and is committed to fighting our greatest nemesis , i.e corruption, far better than virtually all the other candidates. Nigerians are warned to choose wisely. |
Re: Gej, You Can Still Redeem Yourself by jamace(m): 3:34pm On Oct 08, 2010 |
Thank God GEJ has the opportunity to redeem his image but IBB is too bloody to be redeemed. |
Re: Gej, You Can Still Redeem Yourself by netotse(m): 4:15pm On Oct 08, 2010 |
i simply meant our thought processes would be different, you're unlikely to find a thread talking about who the most handsome forum member is, or how all black women should be shot, drawn and quartered because there are no juvenile delinquents running amok. BTW, i'll have you know there are more pro-ribadu ppl there than anti-ribadu. . . |
Re: Gej, You Can Still Redeem Yourself by Gbawe: 4:20pm On Oct 08, 2010 |
Faeb: Nairalanders, judge for yourself. It is election season and we must all be aware of the modus operandi of News agencies who deliberately misrepresent certain candidate to benefit their sponsors and paymasters. http://www.nigeriavillagesquare.com/articles/nvs/candidate-interviews-2-mallam-nuhu-ribadu-on-security.html NVS: Could you clarify a statement that you recently made; you said something about using 5,000 policemen to solve our security problems, what was that all about? |
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