The following is an interview with Professor Geoghagen on religion in general and the ancestry of Jesus in particular.

MAAT: Professor Geoghagen, why don’t I just start with the question before us: Was Jesus a Black man?

Geoghagen: Yes, unequivocally and beyond a shadow of doubt, Jesus was a black man and there is much evidence to substantiate this. However, before I discuss this evidence, I would like to consider in some detail who Jesus was and to focus on the history of Christianity because Jesus’ blackness will not be fully understood or accepted without this background.

MAAT: Okay, just who was Jesus?

GEOGHAGEN: That is a very difficult question to answer, for Jesus was and still is many things to many people. To Christians he is a part of the Godhead, the Son of God, the Son of Man, the Prince of Peace, the Word made flesh, the messiah of Jewish expectations. Hence, through his trials, sufferings, temptations, death and resurrection, He provides for the remission of sins, redemption and life eternal for those who follow his teachings and accept him as their personal saviour. To me, he is one of the world’s 16 crucified saviors — the last of them, I might add – whose lives fit an almost identical pattern from the time of Horus in 4100 B.C. (according to the most ancient beliefs, he was the first crucified saviour) to the time of Judas Christas (Christ the anointed) in the pre-Christian era. In essence, the life that Jesus purportedly led, the activities in which he engaged, his teachings, his trials and sufferings and eventual death and resurrection, are identical to those of Horus and Osiris (two ancient Egyptian gods) and the other 14 crucified saviours. This point of view or revelation, though potentially shocking to the mass of believers, is nevertheless common knowledge to scholars.

So, Jesus and the belief system that he represents are thus a reappearance of one of the most beautiful ideas of the ancient black Africans of Ta-Merry – now called Egypt – which represented the eternal Father by the ever- coming Son, as in the Child Horus. This was the child of a mother who was the eternal virgin. The doctrines of the Incarnation, i.e., the word made flesh: the virgin birth, the resurrection, the Father-God who is identical to his own son and other doctrines (believed to be specifically Christian) were Egyptian long before there was even the concept of Adam and Eve, Judaism, Christianity and Islam.

MAAT: Are you saying that Christianity as a religion had its origins in ancient Egypt?

GEOGHAGEN: Yes. In addition to what I have just stated, in the Eschatology of the Egyptians is found a trinity and a unity, and the Egyptians believed in punishment as well as everlasting happiness. Not surprisingly, then, the doctrine of everlasting life and the belief in the resurrection of the “Spiritual Body” are, according to Dr. Albert Churchward (author of Signs and Symbols of Primordial Man, Origins of Freemasonry, The Origin And Evolution of Religion, The Origin And Evolution of The Human Race, etc.) “the brightest and most prominent features of the Egyptian religion, and this we find was their belief before the time of the first king of the first dynasty.” The general teachings and cosmological world view of the Egyptians eventually filtered down and provided the foundation for later so-called ‘Western Religions,’ i.e., Judaism, Christianity and Islam. This point is thoroughly documented by the brilliant and prolific African scholar, Dr. Josef ben-Jochannan, in an epic work, African Origins of the Major Western Religions. These teachings were handed down to the Essenes (a mythical Jewish sect in pre-Christian times) who were responsible for the development of many of the teachings and concepts attributed to Jesus.

MAAT: Are you suggesting, then, that Jesus was an Essene?

GEOGHAGEN: There is no doubt in my mind that Jesus was an Essene. Essene doctrine is directly traceable to its African-Egyptian roots. In short, Jesus was one of the world’s 16 crucified saviours whose beliefs and teachings were founded on the doctrines and principles of the ancient African Mystery System, and the events of his life directly parallel those of Horus (the first crucified saviour), who lived at least 4100 years before Christ. For example, Horus was born of a virgin (immaculate conception), he disappeared at age 12 and reappeared at 30; he died at age 33 and descended into Hell. On the third day, he arose again and ascended into Heaven to sit on the right hand of his father, etc. Horus was cut into 14 pieces; Jesus was stabbed fourteen times. Horus’ mother could find only one piece of him, his penis, and so she built obelisks in his memory. Jesus had the same phallic symbol associated with him, i.e., he had no sexual relations (at least after the conference of Nicene in 325 A.D.). So as you can see, Jesus and the other world saviours are copies of Horus. Their biographical facts are the same; only the names have changed.

MAAT: Are there parts of Jesus’ life that are generally unknown to the public?

GEOGHAGEN: Yes, much if not most of the facts surrounding his life are absolutely unknown to the general public. To be specific, there is a twenty-one year period of his life that is completely unaccounted for in the Gospel. These 21 years, I would argue, are of critical importance in understanding who Jesus was as well as the source, inspiration and eventual development of his message and ministry. The fact is that not only Jesus but also John the Baptizer and some of Jesus’ disciples were taught, by Egyptian priests, some of the fundamentals of the African Mystery System which later, through adaptations and distortions, became the foundation for what is now known as Christianity in its various forms and manifestations.

The fact that Jesus was an initiate in the African Mystery System; that Jesus was taught and did study at various subsidiary lodges of the Grand Lodge of Luxor in Africa and elsewhere (i.e. Tibet, India, etc.) The fact that it was in Africa that Jesus became acquainted with the Essenes, who were largely responsible for much of the teachings credited to Jesus.

Jesus was a Black man, and there are numerous early paintings, statues and icons that graphically depict both Mary and Jesus as Black people. According to Godfrey Higgins (author of the monumental historical document Anacalypsis), who visited the cathedrals of Europe before the anti-religious period of the French Revolution, all the madonnas and Christ-childs were depicted as black: “In all the Romish countries of Europe, in France, Italy, Germany, etc., the God, Christ, as well as his mother are described in the old pictures to be black.

The infant God in the arms of his black mother, his eyes drapery white, is himself perfectly black. If the reader doubts my words, he may go to the cathedral of Moulins – to the famous chapel of the Virgin of Loretto, to the Church of Annunciata; the Church of St. Lazaro, or the Church of St. Stephen at Genoa, to St. Francisco at Pisa; to the Church of Brixer in the Tyrol, and that of Padua; to the Church of St. Theodore at Munich, etc. This is further supported and documented by the work of J.A. Rogers, Albert Churchward, Yosef ben-Jochannan, C.W. King, J.S. Matthews, Gerald Massey and various other writers who give detailed accounts of the original Black Mary and Jesus.

It was with the advent of Michaelango, who used his family to pose for the paintings that he did of Jesus, Mary, Joseph, etc. – coupled with European white racism – that we begin to see Jesus portrayed as a white man. But how could it be otherwise?

How could a group of people simultaneously proclaim and practice white racism and justify slavery under the guise of bringing the message of Christianity to the ‘heathens’ or ‘pagan black savages’ in Africa – and at the same time tell the truth that Jesus was a Black man and that in fact Christianity started in Africa, where Panteus and Boteus reported that Jesus was born in a cave in Ethiopia? And that it was not until the Nicene conference that Jesus’ birthplace was changed to a stable in Bethlehem.

Basically, the African Mystery System was the educational system of Africa. It was called a ‘mystery’ by E. Budge, the Famous Egyptologist, and other Egyptian scholars; but it was not a mystery to Africans. It encompassed many branches of knowledge, including all of the sciences, philosophy, physics, all of the liberal arts and, of course, religion and metaphysics.

The foundation of that which was later called Greek philosophy comes directly from the African Mystery System. If an individual wants confirmation of this, he can consult such books as G.M. James’ Stolen Legacy, B.D. Alexander’s History of Philosophy, Alfred Weber’s History of Philosophy, William Turner’s History of Philosophy and Zeber’s History of Philosophy.

Included as a part of the ancient African Mystery System were the major beliefs contained in the so-called ‘Western Religions’ of Judaism, Christianity and Islam. For those who want a closer look at this, I would recommend the Egyptian Book of the Dead and The Ancient Mysteries by C.H. Vail. Another book which provides great detail is Albert Churchward’s Signs and Symbols of Primordial Man. It lays out all of the Hebrew, Christian and Hindu doctrines that come directly from the African Mystery System. A comparable book, also written by Churchward, is Origin And Evolution of Religion.

GEOGHAGEN: There were two councils of the Christian Church held in Nicea (Nice), in what is now northwest Turkey. The most important was called in 325 A.D. by Constantine “the Great” and 219 bishops from all of the powerful Christian regions attended it. It was the intent of Constantine to change Christianity into Christiandom. In other words, religion would now become the vehicle of government control over the people. Achievement of this goal involved changing some of the tenets of Christianity. Anyone who is interested can obtain a copy of the proceedings of the Nicene Conference and see the tremendous political struggle that was going on between the “Men of God.”

One will notice that at least 18 books — including the book of Mary — that were part of the Koin Bible (the original Bible up to that point) were removed from the canons. Furthermore, many of the ancient African teachings, including the concept of reincarnation, were removed from Christianity. And it was at this time that they put into the new Bible the ancient African concept of the Immaculate Conception.

MAAT: Are you literally saying that the original Bible was changed at the Nicene Conference?

GEOGHAGEN: Yes. But this was not the first time that Church leaders had gotten together to fight over what was to be accepted as Christianity. A similar conference was held in Jamnia in A.D. 90, at which time other changes were made.

MAAT: Getting back to the questions of whether Jesus was a Black man: Some scholars, of course, would challenge your position that Jesus was a black man on the ground that he was Jewish and could not therefore have been Black.

GEOGHAGEN: My opinion is that those would be very misinformed scholars because the original Jews were Black people.

MAAT: Some scientists today might also raise the point that the ancient Shroud of Turin, which has been highly touted by the press and which many now claim bears the image of Jesus, does not appear to depict a Black man. What would be your response to this?

GEOGHAGEN: It would be of little consequence as to whether the shroud of Turin appears to be Black, Asian, Caucasian or whatever, because the only thing that scientists are able to determine at this point is that indeed this probably was a shroud that covered a human body and does not appear to be fake.

But no Scientist alive of whom I am aware — racist or nonracist, Christian or non-Christian — can in any way, shape, form or fashion document that the Shroud of Turin is the one that was placed over Jesus’ body at the time of his death.

MAAT: Was Jesus the only great religious leader who was Black?

GEOGHAGEN: Absolutely not. Most of the ancient prophets and saviors of most religions were depicted in their original form as Blacks.

MAAT: If all of these ancient prophets, gods and goddesses were Blacks, does this suggest a universal Black dominance in the ancient world?

GEOGHAGEN: Most certainly, yes. One might read Gerald Massey’s Egypt: The Light of the World, from archaeological and anthropological evidence alone, there is no doubt that the race of Black people was the seed race for humanity. In other words, we were here before anyone else and our presence was felt and known throughout the world.

We not only occupied Africa, but our remains have been discovered from the Fiji Islands to Tasmania, Melanesia, India, China, Japan, Mexico and even Europe. Many scientists have shown that the original race of people in all of these areas was the Black race.

MAAT: Why is it that the facts that you have revealed here are unknown to the general public?

Geoghagen: They are intentionally kept from the public. You take a situation where you have a group of people – namely white people – who have actually taken philosophy, religion, education, science, liberal arts, everything that you can associate with the word “culture” from Black people. They have taken it, distorted it, adopted it and used it against the very people from whom they received it as a justification for slavery. So, it was convenient to enslave Blacks in Africa under the guise of spreading Christianity when it fact the religion as developed in Africa (there were 27 bishops and seven Popes of the North African Church before the first one in Rome — this is documented in the book Libers Pontificals, which, when translated into English, is Book of the Popes).

I should also point out here that few references are made to the fact that three of the earliest fathers of the Christian church were Blacks. St. Augustine (born at Tagaste, Numida, North Africa in 354 A.S.), who set the moral doctrine of the Christian Church; Tutillian and Cyprian. How could white people tell Blacks that they had no history or culture other than that which Europeans gave them and at the same time tell them that Christianity was not only developed by Blacks, but that its master, Jesus, was a Black man? This could not be done.

MAAT: Why do you think that it is important for Black people to know that Jesus was a Black man and that Christianity is of African origin?

GEOGHAGEN: I feel that this information is critical to the self- esteem and future of Blacks around the globe. Our contributions as the originators of high culture or “civilization” have been systematically kept from us. Our inventions, our philosophies, our religious concepts and systems have been stolen, co-opted, distorted, adopted and then used against us. We as a people must begin to assert ourselves and to reclaim our history and our science, and become knowledgeable about who we are, whence we came, and where we are going. Without a thorough knowledge and understanding of African history (including the development of Christianity in Africa), our future as a people is at best bleak.

About the author:

Legrand H. Clegg II is an attorney, historian and producer of the award-winning videotape, “When Black Men Ruled The World: Egypt During The Golden Age.”

http://www.melanet.com/clegg_series/wasjesusblack.html

Total RuBBBish!
Black Jesus?
The Egyptians were not even black.

Kay 17:

The Egyptians were not even black.

This is a topic I am interested in. Can you please oblige me with how you came to know this for certain?

The Nubians, had always been differentiated by their skin colour 'black'. The Sudan - Black. The entire North Africa region is not populated by black people. Roman references to black was either Ethopians or Nubians.

Little was known about the SubSahara region, the Sahara Desert Barrier was a major factor for this.

If the Egyptians were black, ancient historians would have laid strong emphasis on it.

Black Jesus, eh? How about a Chinese Jesus. . . . . .

Kay 17:

If the Egyptians were black, ancient historians would have laid strong emphasis on it.

Only if it was an issue. You see, it may not have been in those days at all.

Personally, I am not convinced they were black but I am not convinced they weren't, either. Cheik Antar Diop, Ayi Kwei Armah and a few others who carried out a lot of research on the subject believe they were black.

What do you think of the comments in this thread?

Afrocentric schools, often try to claim Egyptians were blacks to rubbish Hamite thought, thus by proving the Egyptians, custodians of civilization; black men had capacity to think.

The major dispute,is whether there were black pharoahs. A Nubian king Piye was said to have conquered Egypt at about the 25th Dynasty.

Jesus, black, pink, transparent, what difference does it make? Really. For what it's worth, I don't think he would have been a blue eyed blonde Aryan like he's depicted. But I don't think he's black either. A prejudiced scholar is the worst kind. But no matter how much bullshit he spouts, there's bound to be some truths to what he says. Simple law of averages. I'm more interested in laying my hands on a copy of the goings-on of the Nicene council that he alluded to. Also the bit about reincarnation being removed. I'm uneducated about that. I'm sure you know all about that MyJoe. Is there any relevant literature you know of?

@kay17 @ MyJoe

The Nubians, had always been differentiated by their skin colour 'black'. The Sudan - Black. The entire North Africa region is not populated by black people. Roman references to black was either Ethopians or Nubians.

Little was known about the SubSahara region, the Sahara Desert Barrier was a major factor for this.

If the Egyptians were black, ancient historians would have laid strong emphasis on it.

You are a Blind person if  you say the Nubian are white you must eb a real dumb person in Life, dont you know that there were black people before white europeans come about, so what you wanna tell me that Nubian are europeans see wetin white people don do you, slave you from the old days and now na mental slavery .Black man cant think for him self and make research about his own history, I am glad that the professor that research this topic is white, you see they know the truth that Jesus was not white,  and you are here saying rubbish, Mugu, go reah the historical Jesus not wht you see in your bleeping church, painting of white jesus, its fake, Ok, know they self black man

Can you read at all through your pitiable racist tinted glasses? Where did the poor Kay17 insinuate all the disjointed massa episode you're spouting? You're suffering from severe inferiority complex. We don't need your kind fighting the black man cause. Or any cause, I'd say

@vescucci

Well you just use word any how, that your problem, Ok you now say I am a racist, what do you know that word represent, I posted a real topic which we ca share opinion, and the topic is the TRUTH, you are the one having inferiority complex cos you are afraid of the truth, -People hate what they cant understand-

Well, you're sincere. Sincerely mistaken too. If Jesus was a black man, great. Let's all have a ball. If you knew me, you'd know how much I value truth. I still think you're somewhat racist though. You don't have to be violent to be.

mazaje:

Black Jesus, eh? How about a Chinese Jesus. . . . . .

lol!

poweredcom:

@kay17 @ MyJoe
You are a Blind person if  you say the Nubian are white you must eb a real dumb person in Life, dont you know that there were black people before white europeans come about, so what you wanna tell me that Nubian are europeans see wetin white people don do you, slave you from the old days and now na mental slavery .Black man cant think for him self and make research about his own history, I am glad that the professor that research this topic is white, you see they know the truth that Jesus was not white,  and you are here saying rubbish, Mugu, go reah the historical Jesus not wht you see in your bleeping church, painting of white jesus, its fake, Ok, know they self black man

I find it quite believable that the ancient Egyptians were black as you find many "Arabs' in Egypt with a darker skin and from History Egypt actually was Colonised several times before the mordern age. But you know what? Whether Jesus is black or the ancient Egyptians were black can not change the kind of problems we black people find ourselves in. A deep mess that no amount of self inflation can change our situation until we change our Characters for the better, look at us in Nigeria how we quickly forget truth and morality when our "ethnic" interest is at stake. Yes we should not look down on ourselves and at the same time we should not have hyper inflated egos on what we really are, Humans with just different skin colors and language.

@vedaxcool

I find it quite believable that the ancient Egyptians were black as you find many "Arabs' in Egypt with a darker skin and from History Egypt actually was Colonised several times before the mordern age. But you know what? Whether Jesus is black or the ancient Egyptians were black can not change the kind of problems we black people find ourselves in. A deep mess that no amount of self inflation can change our situation until we change our Characters for the better, look at us in Nigeria how we quickly forget truth and morality when our "ethnic" interest is at stake. Yes we should not look down on ourselves and at the same time we should not have hyper inflated egos on what we really are, Humans with just different skin colors and language.

Let me tell you the problem Black man find him self today is being prolonged by the very Black man, fback then it was the white man, that gave us but now its the black man that has failed to come back to his senses, after all the enslavement of the white man, tricks,

@vescucci

well if you like call me a racist, what do u mean if i am standing for a black man which is my root you call it racism -Cause any time we mention
Our condition, our history or existence,
They calling it reverse racism,- Nas Nigger lyric

that what i am saying anytime any person talk about what is truth for a black man a felow il say that peson is a racist that was what happend to the great[b] Malcolm X[/b]

, I am not I have many white friends who like me as a person because of Knowledge i try to get , dem many for my facebook Ok, I believe you area a black man vescucci

I'm an African and black. I do not like blaming some sumbitches that have been recycled by Gaya for our recent troubles. I especially do not think claiming Jesus as black means anything but some kinda creepy us versus them mentality. So what if he was black? Does that make us chosen by God? The white man didn't do us any favours but we harm ourselves more now and even back then. If there were more Mandelas and less Idi Amins we wouldn't be where we are now

Poweredcom. I can sum up what you are saying in 10 words…“The Bible is wrong, and Jesus is not the son of God.” That is a strong ststment.

You would be better off to tie a mill stone about your neck, and jump into the sea.

Revelations--Chatper1 verses 11-18

MyJoe:
This is a topic I am interested in. Can you please oblige me with how you came to know this for certain?

the egyptians were black people. just go through ancient paintings and manuscript. but the issue of a black Jesus am not sure. but one sure fact is that Herod during the time of Jesus was a black man. so that will tell you that blacks were a strong people up until the ist century.