I have never met anyone who has understood the Trinity. Besides, all that a christian can offer is a false analogy. From this, all they show is the lack of understanding of what the Trinity is suppose to be. One may say with one's lips: 'I believe that God is one, and also three'--but no one can believe it, because the words have no sense.

Where did the Trinity come from? The Bible? NO! The word Trinity doesn't even appear in the Bible. The only other reference in the Bible to a Trinity can be found in the Epistle of I John 5:7, Biblical scholars of today, however, have admitted that the phrase ", there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one" is definitely a "pious fraud", and it is not found in any of today's versions of the Bible.

It can, therefore, be seen that the concept of a Trinity of divine beings was not an idea put forth by Jesus or any other prophet of God. This doctrine, now subscribed to by Christians all over the world, is entirely pagan and man-made in origin.

Christ, according to the faith, is the second person in the Trinity, the Father being the first and the Holy Ghost third. Each of these persons is God. Christ is his own father and his own son. The Holy Ghost is neither father nor son, but both. The son was begotten by the father, but existed before he was begotten--just the same before as after. Christ is just as old as his father, and the father is just as young as his son. The Holy Ghost proceeded from the Father and Son, but was equal to the Father and Son before he proceeded, that is to say, before he existed, but he is of the same age as the other two. So it is declared that the Father is God, and the Son and the Holy Ghost God, and these three Gods make one God. According to the celestial multiplication table, once one is three, and three time one is one, and according to heavenly subtraction if we take two from three, three are left. The addition is equally peculiar: if we add two to one we have but one. Each one equal to himself and to the other two. Nothing ever was, nothing ever can be more perfectly idiotic and absurd than the dogma of the Trinity

Abeg, help me tell them O!

Jesus taught the oneness of God (Mark 12:29-30, Matthew 22:37 and Luke 10:27), as conveyed in the first commandment (Exodus 20:3). Nowhere did he declare the Trinity but I wonder why Christians of today subscribed to it and hold it with their strongest grip.

cadanre:


Christ, according to the faith, is the second person in the Trinity, the Father being the first and the Holy Ghost third. Each of these persons is God. Christ is his own father and his own son. The Holy Ghost is neither father nor son, but both. The son was begotten by the father, but existed before he was begotten--just the same before as after. Christ is just as old as his father, and the father is just as young as his son. The Holy Ghost proceeded from the Father and Son, but was equal to the Father and Son before he proceeded, that is to say, before he existed, but he is of the same age as the other two. So it is declared that the Father is God, and the Son and the Holy Ghost God, and these three Gods make one God. According to the celestial multiplication table, once one is three, and three time one is one, and according to heavenly subtraction if we take two from three, three are left. The addition is equally peculiar: if we add two to one we have but one. Each one equal to himself and to the other two. Nothing ever was, nothing ever can be more perfectly idiotic and absurd than the dogma of the Trinity

 Help!!!! Dont understand @ all.

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In the Gospel of John, Jesus says:

"I can of mine own self do nothing; as I hear, I judge, and my judgment is just, because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me." [John 5:30]
Again, Jesus says that his power is not from him and in fact his self is powerless. What's more is that Jesus continuously mentions and emphasizes that it is the Father who has sent him. What is the purpose of mentioning such a thing over and over again? Is it for anything other than to show that the Father possesses the Ultimate Authority and were it not for Him, Jesus would not have been sent on this mission in the first place? In John 5:26, Jesus says, "For as the Father has life in himself; so hath He given to the son to have life in himself". My dear readers, can it become any more clearer? These are not my words but the words of Jesus, who testifies that it is the Father who has GIVEN him life.
So what else does Jesus say in regards to his position in relation to his Father? In the Gospel of Matthew it is stated,

And he went a little farther, and fell on his face, and prayed, saying, "O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me; nevertheless not as I will, but as thou wilt." [Matthew 26:39]
This verse shows Jesus praying to his Father. The question is who is Jesus praying to if he is God? If he has the ultimate authority, then why does he look to someone other than himself? Do Gods pray? Can a God be in need? Again it is made decisively clear that Jesus differentiates between himself and his Father, and humbly presents his request to his Master, his God.


Doesn't this make Jesus a creature of God?

WITH ALL HOPE THAT AT THE END WE WILL UNDERSTAND EACH OTHER.

@ xoxo


What is it?

cadanre:

Where did the Trinity come from?

It was invented at a council meeting.

cadanre,
there are tens and tens of topics on the issue of the Trinity already in this section. Next time please use the search function before opening a new thread.

http://www.google.com.ng/cse?cx=partner-pub-6465801557104924%3Abko28ysgdng&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=trinity&siteurl=www.nairaland.com%2Fnigeria%2Fboard-17.0.html

i'm expectin pro-trinity people to come out n defend their stand

^and they have done so times without number in the few years that I've been around. Search or click on the link above if you're really interested in seeing pro-trinity responses. No need to resuscitate and begin flogging a dead and decomposed horse.

Tonye-t:

^^^Ish-baby, me is been looking for you like a PhD?

I am here Mr T. wetin dey happen? 

 

Tonye-t:

Two folks may stand on the same platform, both starring at the same location, yet seeing different things.

I remember trying to make this point once, nobody wanted to hia me lol. And indeed it was in attempting to make this brilliant point you make below:

Tonye-t:

The major cause for the world's religious troubles today are nothing but personal and different interpretations to a singular thought-system. To one, God could just be a spirit (invisible) that has never been seen and this folk will still find relevant scriptures to back, while to the other He (God) is just as physical as Man, this with relevant scriptures to validate their claims.

I could not agree more with you here.

And further compounding the problem is this - both sides could be completely right or both could be completely wrong, or both could be right/wrong to varying degrees not realizing they need to feed off each other - all the while having convinced themselves they are in full possession of the truth.

@ Jesoul >>> in reference to your former post, you must realize that when one comes to a forum such as this >>> it is to trash out 'dead and decomposed' issues viva voce >>> not by glossing over past discussions. if I need to gloss over past treatises on an issue, why would I come to this forum? It would be absolutely redundant to do so.

@ post >>> I believe in the doctrine of the Trinity. well aware of arguments against it. Why ? b'cos I first came to know Christ & Christianity through Jehovah's Witnesses >>> growing up >>> and reading multiple literature on the topic. I decided that the Trinity doctrine was the more viable option to believe in

>>> BTW I still read their literature >>> b'cos of their beauty and coherency, I also respect JW b'cos of their influence on me at a young age >>> I just don't buy some of their doctrines *my word !!! have I come across many, 'Grailism' in particular was, should I say astounding (?)*

Uyi you are right as in whatever is to be discussed, has already been.

However if you have been in this section for at least 4months, you would know that the topic of the Trinity has been so discussed probably second only to Tithes. If the poster is truly interested in learning, the thousands of threads will more than suffice. However, if na to argue then I wish him goodluck Jonathan.

sha give the guy more links >>> na the same beef I carry with Deep sight (im no give me link) >>> BTW, since you are a mod u could outlet this info to the relevant person >>> please ! use google and not yahoo as the search engine. I even find it better to search for topics, on Nairaland, using google, and not Nairaland's search option >>> not good

@ jesoul

If you are not interested in discussing on this thread, you can go your way


@uyiiredia

Same to you at one hand, and on the other hand, how can you defend it? I know it is nowhere to be found in the Bible. Does that mean that you are serving God blindly or in your own way? I realized that there are many three in one god (s) Christians here.

Anyway. I only said what I have to say about trinity and brought forward my reasons and my views. I did not mean to fight anyone here. If you like, be pro or anti trinity, and continue to believe in it if you like. That will NEVER be my problem. I rest my case here.

But remember, this case may be awaken if anybody try to talk rubbish to me.

@ cadanre >>> I serve God in my own way >>> the best way I can

Trinity. Trinity. Trinity.

Religion. Religion. Religion.

A leap of reason is usually harder to take than a leap of faith

It was invented at a council meeting.

@MyJoe, it was not even concluded and clear. They could not belittle Jesus as a mere creation of God, some special status had to be given to him. At least Jesus was seen as a separate entity!

That useless bible supports all the sides in the trinity argument.

Kay 17:

That [ ] bible supports all the sides in the trinity argument.

A valid thesis.

cadanre:

@ jesoul

If you are not interested in discussing on this thread, you can go your way

This guy no get renspet sha, don't you know JeSoul is the moderator? Your account life is in her hands. Forgive him, he didn't know at all. I think some peeps need induction and orientation like nysc's before they start posting.lol
@OP
It is called the DOCTRINE of the Trinity, not the dogma of the trinity, and don't dare to be dogmatic about it.

@ image123

That is the problem with Nigeria/Nigerians. Does it require any preferential/special treatment between the members and the moderators just because the account life is in their (moderators) hands? Oh! I should ask for forgiveness.
Forgive me MISS/MRS jesould not to block my account.

@ uyiiredia

That is you who serve God. There are those who worship idols and they are serving them in their own way. Nobody is forcing you to worship God in his/her own way. In fact, worship whatever you like, how you like and when you like. It is none of my business and never will it be.

Sai anjimanku!

Image, my senior brother , the only thing wey dey my hand na my hot cup of lipton tea . Hows everything with you dear?

Cadanre, no preferential treatment required . . . under forum rules I was supposed to lock your thread because it is a repeat topic but I left it because you're new. And just like I suspected, you will not get many replies because this topic has been discussed recently to death. But carry on anyways, happy posting.

@ je soul

Thanks.

@JeSoul (f)

You are wise as you are kind.

@Topic

Those who worship a trinity god worships my and my brothers unknown to them. Expose us again, and i will fry you in hell.

^^^ please spare us that your errorneous teaching of Hell as a place of torment. Because hell is just the common mankind grave and not a place of torment.
2. There is nothing wrong in the poster claims, the bible does not support trinity. Its just a dogmatic teaching by today christendom

^^^ please spare us that your errorneous teaching of Hell as a place of torment. Because hell is just the common mankind grave and not a place of torment.
2. There is nothing wrong in the poster claims, the bible does not support trinity. Its just a dogmatic teaching by today christendom