TeeBabss:
@ bukatyne
I think we're all/every sensible person should be a bit selective on who and what we believe. We tend to judge people with their physical appearance and comportment/personality.
You don't expect me to believe a well known Olosho that she was sexually abused or raped at a tender age...because that's their usual line, these days. They'll always find a way to justify what they're doing or play on your emotion.

Well, if a cool, normal girl said that, I could give her benefit of doubt.
We all created this problem bcoz we want to be doing holy holy. What's the big deal in not being a Virginn of having sex as a matured person.

crackhaus:
In a society where pre-marital sex is still seen as a vice, it's not unusual that women will want to keep their perceived virtue intact by stating their first sexual encounter occurred without their consent (rape).

Note that unless the lady was abused as a child, which is where paedophilic rapes count, a teen who had a boyfriend, an adolescent who found herself in the company of guys her age, or even an adult who was in the wrong place at the wrong time, could all very easily claim to have been raped their first time just for the reason that they never wanted to have sex, but were made to it after several attempts by the guy involved.

The latter category (excluding child abuse) is almost always the prevailing category most of these women fall under, and it is the reason why some men find it hard believing the deflowered via rape claims.

bukatyne:


When I talk rape, I like to focus majorly on pedophilic encounters or cases where girls are forced at gun point, lonely corners, uncompleted buildings etc.

Date rape (except when the girl is drugged), consent/no consent, 'going to sleep in a guy's house and he penerated when I told him to stop at MouthAction', drunk 'unconsented' sex, buyer's remorse after sex etc. snearios are honestly outside my alley.

bukatyne:


@bold

That was why I created this thread.

The fact a girl is now an olosho does not negate the fact that she was raped as a child.

When a child is raped, they react in different ways:

1. They have relationships however hate sex or frigid

2. They hate men and become lebsians

3. They become asexual

4. They associate sex with love (remember most pedos butter up their victims first) and have sex with every man that comes their way looking for that love and validation

5. They associate sex with power and have sex just to have men do their bidding.

6. They enter abusive relationships or have a warped sense of relationship.

7. They always want to relieve the sexual experience and become nymphomaniacs

The fact girl A became a nympho; girl B became a les, girl C became frigid and girl D became an olosho does not negate their experiences.

It is for them to get to the bottom and heal themselves or seek help.

TeeBabss:


I can't agree less with you, you made a valid point to be realistic.
But in reality 'you can't trust these girls'. They're mostly looking for a way to coverup there messed up past or bad upbringing, therein, you don't have any way to validate their claim.
When you check things out, go to some core areas or city, and see how small small girls dey misbehave sexually, you won't have any benefit of doubt for the matured ones..

But what we need is sexual education, parental education, a distinct moral structure, good mental rehab (for victims) and strong legislation against rape.

L[b]OL. I was out with 2 friends yesterday, they now pointed a girl to me jokingly. I replied 'guys, this is child abuse, this one wey be like JS3 students[/b]'
One of them responded 'she fit look like JS3 student facially o, but down dow she be postgraduate student guy '
It's our fvcking mentality

bukatyne:


When I talk rape, I like to focus majorly on pedophilic encounters or cases where girls are forced at gun point, lonely corners, uncompleted buildings etc.

Date rape (except when the girl is drugged), consent/no consent, 'going to sleep in a guy's house and he penerated when I told him to stop at MouthAction', drunk 'unconsented' sex buyer's remorse after sex etc. snearios are honestly outside my alley

BLUELemon:
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CHoccolaTE:

Men are the ones sleeping with the so called girls with questionable past, na them dey carry ashawo up and down but they always want to marry a clean fresh untainted virgin.
Very ironic abi hypocritical, I dont know which one is the right word to use

crackhaus:

Right.

So if you were to pick a random percentage, how many of these 'deflowered via rape' claims would you say fall under the category of it happened while being forced at gun point, in lonely corners, or in uncompleted buildings?

TeeBabss:


I can't agree less with you, you made a valid point to be realistic.
But in reality 'you can't trust these girls'. They're mostly looking for a way to coverup there messed up past or bad upbringing, therein, you don't have any way to validate their claim.
When you check things out, go to some core areas or city, and see how small small girls dey misbehave sexually, you won't have any benefit of doubt for the matured ones..

But what we need is sexual education, parental education, a distinct moral structure, good mental rehab (for victims) and strong legislation against rape.

LOL. I was out with 2 friends yesterday, they now pointed a girl to me jokingly. I replied 'guys, this is child abuse, this one wey be like JS3 students'
One of them responded 'she fit look like JS3 student facially o, but down dow she be postgraduate student guy '
It's our fvcking mentality

CHoccolaTE:


1. Do you believe the bolded part can be regarded as rape?
2. I am actually surprised that you put unconsented in quotes when talking about drunk sex .
Bukatyne dear, do you believe a drunk person can consent to sex?

3. And do you think women that sleep over at men's houses were not raped even if they were forcefully penetrated?

TeeBabss:


Forget our hypocritic morality....Sleeping with girls, carrying Olosho etc, what's the big deal in that if you've fulfilled your obligation?
They've chosen that as their business, you patronize and pay them. #business
If a man wants a Virgin-wife, that's his choice and he shouldn't be criticized for that.
If man no dey patronize, how Olosho wan dey take chop". The only thing that bothers me is the case of underage girls getting f'cked up.....

bukatyne:


1. I am sure your question is wrong.

2. Consent goes both ways. If a man and a woman is drunk, who should give whom consent? If that drunk person kills, do we absolve them of murder?

3. Everyone has inbuilt self preservation. When a man wants to sleep with a woman, she knows and IF she is NOT INTERESTED, the onus is on her to ensure it doesn't happen. A guy signifies his interest in sleeping with a woman and said woman visits this guy or sleeps in his house and claims not to be interested; does she have a single digit IQ? The one I find most baffling is when the lady says she is no longer interested after they have started romance.

If a man doesn't want to sleep with a girl, he will run away from her at all costs.

CHoccolaTE:


Hmmm

1. Having sex with a drunk person is wrong naaa, haba mama, no wa o.
I dont get your analogy of absolving drunk people of murder, if a woman drinks and passes out or is unaware o:her surroundings and a man has enough consciousness and self awareness to have sex with her without her approval it's rape.
Nothing else but rape.

And also,
2. Many women are forcefully penetrated when they visit men, regardless of whether the man indicated interest in them prior to that. Some men indicate interest others just force the women because the situation presented an opportunity. It's still rape, whether he indicated interest before ooo, whether she is single digit IQ oooo, it doesnt matter. Forced, non consensual intercourse is rape.

bukatyne:


2. You are not getting the point. If you are not interested in sex with a man, don't go to his house, don't give him green light etc.

CHoccolaTE:
Na wa o

OK bukatyne I have agreed

A man forcing himself on a drunk on woman is not rape

A woman being forcefully penetrated after visiting an admirer is not rape too

You win, Buka 2 : Choco 0

fieryy:


What a way to blame the victim.

bukatyne:


I honestly cannot pick a percentage however, I will not doubt anyone who comes up with that story if I do not have proof for otherwise.

bukatyne:


I wish it were a competition; it is not.

A drunk man forcing himself on a drunk woman is what?

crackhaus:

Neither should you believe the stories outright without proof.

Personally, I'm usually indifferent to such stories. Don't judge.
But anytime someone tells me their deflowered via rape story, I ask how old they were when it happened and with whom it happened.
Once the answers to those questions swing a certain way, I become completely indifferent and honestly cannot be bothered. If they appear broken and damaged still, the best I can offer is a suggestion for counselling/therapy so they can heal.

My empathy and pity also come with a statute of limitations, just like crimes that have gone unreported for years.

crackhaus:

Drunk sex?

bukatyne:


I wish it were a competition; it is not.

A drunk man forcing himself on a drunk woman is what?

bukatyne:


Maybe I should say indifference.

Someone tells me they were raped; I sympathize and gently probe if they are ready to talk.

Not ready, I move on. Ready, I listen and empathize if need be.

I believe it would be deeper for a potential romantic partner.

My own is don't discard it as lies until you can prove it is.

The thread that prompted me to create this was crazy.

CHoccolaTE:


It's still rape naaa

If the woman was too drunk to give consent and the man had enough self awareness to force a woman who can't consent then it's rape. The man is the one performing the sex acts in this situation so he is the rapist.

bukatyne:


I am wondering because the drunk man was unable to give his consent and can claim to be raped too.