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Jesus' False Promises That Prayers Are Answered by AntiChristian: 9:42pm On Jan 04, 2020 |
Jesus says a lot about prayer, and he makes big claims for it. Ask and it will be given to you; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you (Matthew 7:7). Whatever you ask for in prayer, believe that you have received it, and it will be yours (Mark 11:24). He who believes in me will also do the works that I do; and greater works than these will he do (John 14:12). Apologists say that Jesus isn’t like a genie, but they need to reread their Bibles. Jesus really does say, “Ask, and ye shall receive”—it’s in John 16:24. He says it without caveats. That promise has been tested uncountably many times, often by desperate people, but if Jesus answers, it’s indistinguishable from chance. Even Jesus' and Paul's prayers were not answered. Check the link below: https://www.nairaland.com/5611079/jesus-paul-prayed-christians-unity |
Re: Jesus' False Promises That Prayers Are Answered by peggywebbs(f): 9:48pm On Jan 04, 2020 |
Yeah Jesus ain't a genie. I'm still surprised why you still carried Jesus matter into 2020. I see you want to know him. You can simply ask and he will reveal himself to you. After all he says ask and you shall receive. AntiChristian: 1 Like |
Re: Jesus' False Promises That Prayers Are Answered by AntiChristian: 10:12pm On Jan 04, 2020 |
peggywebbs: I'm very sure you have a carry over lists of unheard prayers from years back... Even Jesus and Paul's prayers were not answered. So why do you think yours will? |
Re: Jesus' False Promises That Prayers Are Answered by objectivechrist: 7:12am On Jan 05, 2020 |
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Re: Jesus' False Promises That Prayers Are Answered by AntiChristian: 7:36am On Jan 05, 2020 |
objectivechrist: This doesn't change the fact that Jesus' prayers were left unanswered till today! |
Re: Jesus' False Promises That Prayers Are Answered by AntiChristian: 8:42am On Jan 05, 2020 |
oaroloye:I NEVER KNEW YOU: DEPART FROM ME, YE THAT WORK INIQUITY. Try to derail the thread with the long post. |
Re: Jesus' False Promises That Prayers Are Answered by AntiChristian: 9:27am On Jan 05, 2020 |
Look at what the holy spirit caused? Long post, same post, abuse and insults! Well, I know you have prayers you carried over from years back! Your prayers won't be answered anytime soon! |
Re: Jesus' False Promises That Prayers Are Answered by Nobody: 1:30pm On Jan 05, 2020 |
AntiChristian: First of all JESUS is the main Character on this issue of PRAYER, therefore it's vital we study him CLOSELY to fully grasp what he meant as recorded in those gospels! He is the one bearing the title "CHRIST", that means the word CHRISTIANS should be rightly applied ONLY to those following his footsteps! So what are the THINGS that's of utmost importance to the man called Jesus? Because from there we can find out what CHRISTIANS should hold compulsory. Well according to the four gospels, Jesus' heartfelt desire is for (1) God's name to be Sanctified! (2) God's kingdom to come! (3) God's will to be done on earth as in heaven! (4) For God's servants to get their DAILY needs! (5) For Christians to have LOVE, JOY and PEACE in their midst as they freely forgive one another! (6) For Christians to be protected and delivered from all the temptations of Satan! READ Matthew 6:9-13, Luke 11:2-4 Whoever is looking for the fulfilment of this point of prayers without distinguishing Jesus' TRUE group out of all the countless different religions with contradicting doctrines and conflicting teachings all claiming Christians, then such an individual is deceiving himself. Because Jesus himself said "Not all those calling me Lord Lord are doing the will of my father" Matthew 7:21 Considering the one and only group preaching and teaching in the manner Jesus laid down "JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES". Everyone can see that everything Jesus prayed for is gradually been fulfilled in their midst! Matthew 5:14-16 Their main focus is how to Sanctify God's name by preaching and teaching about his kingdom throughout the earth, so they have no other special PRAYER than that! In fact that's why most misinformed churchgoers accuse them of not been prayerful to their own understanding, as Jehovah's Witnesses will only limit their worries on the points Jesus mentioned in the model prayer and NOTHING more! Even Muhammad had a misconception on those Bible verses you quoted above, though by his own time TRUE Christianity has been overshadowed by the evil seeds of Satan, so Muhammad thought Jesus' words was to be taken literally. He commanded a mountain to come but nothing happened, he have to walk up to the mountain, and it became a popular adage till today! IF THE MOUNTAIN WON'T COME TO MUHAMMAD, MUHAMMAD CAN GO TO THE MOUNTAIN! So go and ask Jehovah's Witnesses (TRUE Christians) what those verses means. You have better chances today than Muhammad (who went into trance to communicate with God when true Christians aren't operating FREELY) he ended up communicating with DEMONS! Jehovah's Witnesses are around you now, so you can ask any question from them regarding what our Master, Lord and King Jesus taught! That's what the Qur'an @ 10:94 ask Muhammad to do for him to fully understand God's word! Thank you Sir! |
Re: Jesus' False Promises That Prayers Are Answered by peggywebbs(f): 9:26pm On Jan 06, 2020 |
No I don't have carry over prayers. You see unlike most Christians looking for a genie, I move on. One way doesn't work, I take it, it was not God's will and I try something else. You do realise that when people pray to get an opportunity, there are a hundred other people who are vying for the same thing. If it was meant to be, you would get it. I have had experience where I prayed for something and didn't get it. I blamed God, cried, cursed and typically stopped going to church. I was disappointed but after I had even forgotten about it, something better came along the way. I had to take everything back, the good thing had come at the time of my disappointment but I did not get the news at the time. I made a promise that day never to be angry with God for the things I did not get but instead be grateful for the things I had and the things I was yet to receive. When you experience God , you will forget all this thread you keep opening countering the bible. You even read the bible more than me and for that I admire you. I read the bible mostly only on Sundays but I experience God everyday. He is here in my heart and nothing else matters. AntiChristian: |
Re: Jesus' False Promises That Prayers Are Answered by AntiChristian: 7:34am On Jan 07, 2020 |
peggywebbs: But this actually goes against Matthew 7:7 Ask and you shall be given, seek and you shall find... |
Re: Jesus' False Promises That Prayers Are Answered by peggywebbs(f): 8:18am On Jan 07, 2020 |
It doesn't. When you ask, you get even measures beyond what you expect. It's the same way with our earthly parents. When you ask for things, if they are good for you, your parents will get it for you. If they think you don't need it now, they will hold on until the right time but eventually you will get what you asked for. If you go by the literal interpretation, I hope you know a lot of people would have died by now. Let's look at the prayers of some funny people, all my enemies die die die by fire. Now who is your enemy, the person who stopped your promotion because of their relationship with your boss, the person who envies you. Now when a Christian prays they should die, will God kill the enemies literally by fire? No. Now, that prayer wasn't answered, is that a good thing? Yes. Because someone wanted to use God to commit murder. Another example 500,000 people are in line for a job. 100,000 are Christians praying, 100,000 are Muslims praying, another sector probably aethiest scientifically prepared for the job. The slot to be filled 1 lucky person. Now what makes you think you deserve the job better than others, because you asked God for it? Breaking news, others asked God for it. It's only logical that one person gets that job. You will get a job which you have prayed to God for but it may not be what you are looking at but even something better. There are a lot of reasons people don't know their prayers are answered, it is because they are focused on a need so much that they don't realise that there are other ways that need will be met. God doesn't operate like men, he doesn't think like us, so you should not expect to know what to expect until it happens. You may not even know your prayers are answered because your mind is fixed on a certain thing. AntiChristian: |
Re: Jesus' False Promises That Prayers Are Answered by AntiChristian: 8:35am On Jan 07, 2020 |
peggywebbs: so it should have been "Ask and you will be given what is due to you!" |
Re: Jesus' False Promises That Prayers Are Answered by peggywebbs(f): 8:47am On Jan 07, 2020 |
Now you're getting close. Have a wonderful day my friend. AntiChristian: |
Re: Jesus' False Promises That Prayers Are Answered by oaroloye(m): 9:25am On Jan 07, 2020 |
MISHIGAS! AntiChristian: ATHEISM IS AN ATTENTION-DEFICIT DISORDER. . MATTHEW 7:7-29. 7. "Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you: 8. "For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened. 9. "Or what man is there of you, whom if his son ask bread, will he give him a stone? 10. ”Or if he ask a fish, will he give him a serpent? 11. "If ye then, being Evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children, how much more shall your Father Which is in Heaven give Good Things to them that ask Him? 12. "Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is The Law and The Prophets. 13. "Enter ye in at The Strait Gate: for wide is the Gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to Destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: 14. "Because strait is the Gate, and narrow is The Way, which leadeth unto Life, and few there be that find it. 15. "Beware of False Prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. 16. "Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? 17. "Even so every Good Tree bringeth forth Good Fruit; but a Corrupt Tree bringeth forth Evil Fruit. 18. "A Good Tree cannot bring forth Evil Fruit, neither can a Corrupt Tree bring forth Good Fruit. 19. "Every tree that bringeth not forth Good Fruit is hewn down, and cast into the Fire. 20 Wherefore by their Fruits ye shall know them. 21. "Not every one that saith unto me, 'Lord, Lord,' shall enter into The Kingdom of Heaven; but He that doeth The Will of my Father Which is in Heaven. 22 Many will say to me in That Day, 'LORD, LORD, HAVE WE NOT PROPHESIED IN THY NAME? AND IN THY NAME HAVE CAST OUT DEVILS? AND IN THY NAME DONE MANY WONDERFUL WORKS?' 23. "And then will I profess unto them, 'I NEVER KNEW YOU: DEPART FROM ME, YE THAT WORK INIQUITY.' 24. "Therefore whosoever heareth These Sayings of mine, and doeth Them, I will liken him unto a Wise Man, which built his house upon a rock: 25. "And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock. 26 . "And every one that heareth These Sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a Foolish Man, which built his house upon the sand: 27. "And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it." 28. And it came to pass, when Jesus had ended these Sayings, the people were astonished at his Doctrine: 29. For He taught them as one having authority, and not as the scribes. WHATEVER LORD YESHUA PROMISED, HE PROMISED TO HIS OWN PEOPLE, WHO HAD GIVEN UP THEIR POSITIONS IN THEIR SOCIETY AND THEIR FAMILIES, TO BE WITH HIM, AND SERVE GOD TRUTHFULLY. For that, they were judged "RACA," and called "FOOLS," by their own families, and BANNED from the Synagogues they had attended their whole lives. . MATTHEW 5:1-20. AND seeing the multitudes, he went up into a mountain: and when he was set, his Disciples came unto him: 2. And he opened his mouth, and taught them, Saying, 3. "Blessed are the Poor in Spirit: for theirs is The Kingdom of Heaven. 4. "Blessed are they that mourn: for they shall be comforted. 5. "Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the Earth. 6. Blessed are they which do Hunger and Thirst after Righteousness: for they shall be filled. 7. "Blessed are the merciful: for they shall obtain Mercy. 8. "Blessed are the Pure in Heart: for they shall see God. 9. "Blessed are the PeaceMakers: for they shall be called the Children of God. 10. "Blessed are they which are Persecuted for Righteousness' sake: for theirs is The Kingdom of Heaven. 11. "Blessed are ye, when men shall Revile you, and Persecute you, and shall say all manner of Evil against you Falsely, for my sake. 12. "Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: for great is your Reward in Heaven: for so Persecuted they the Prophets which were before you. 13. "Ye are The Salt of the Earth: but if the salt have lost his savour, wherewith shall it be salted? It is thenceforth good for nothing, but to be cast out, and to be trodden under foot of men. 14. "Ye are The Light of the World. A city that is set on an hill cannot be hid. 15. "Neither do men light a candle, and put it under a bushel, but on a candlestick; and it giveth light unto all that are in the house. 16. "Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your Good Works, and glorify your Father which is in Heaven. 17. "Think not that I am come to destroy The Law, or The Prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. 18. "For verily I Say unto you, 'TILL HEAVEN AND EARTH PASS, ONE JOT OR ONE TITTLE SHALL IN NO WISE PASS FROM THE LAW, TILL ALL BE FULFILLED.' 19. "Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least Commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the Kingdom of Heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the Kingdom of Heaven. 20. "For I Say unto you, 'THAT EXCEPT YOUR RIGHTEOUSNESS SHALL EXCEED THE RIGHTEOUSNESS OF THE SCRIBES AND PHARISEES, YE SHALL IN NO CASE ENTER INTO THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN.' " It is those "SALT-OF-THE-EARTH" and "LIGHT-OF-THE-WORLD" people whom Lord Yeshua was making his Promises to. NOT YOUR KIND, WHO ARE THE DUNG-OF-THE-EARTH, and TRUE FOOLS, lacking Wisdom and Understanding, because of your SINS AND INIQUITIES! . DEUTERONOMY 29:18-29. 18. Lest there should be among you man, or woman, or family, or tribe, whose heart turneth away this day from The LORD our God, to go and serve the gods of these nations; lest there should be among you a root that beareth gall and wormwood; 19. And it come to pass, when he heareth the Words of this Curse, that he bless himself in his heart, saying, "I SHALL HAVE PEACE, THOUGH I WALK IN THE IMAGINATION OF MINE HEART, TO ADD DRUNKENNESS TO THIRST:" 20. The LORD will not spare him, but then The Anger of The LORD and His Jealousy shall smoke against that man, and all The Curses that are written in this Book shall lie upon him, and the LORD shall blot out his name from under Heaven. 21. And The LORD shall separate him unto Evil out of all the Tribes of Israel, according to all the Curses of the Covenant that are written in this Book of the Law: 22. So that the Generation to come of your children that shall rise up after you, and the stranger that shall come from a far land, shall say, when they see the Plagues of that land, and the Sicknesses which The LORD hath laid upon it; 23. And that the whole land thereof is brimstone, and salt, and burning, that it is not sown, nor beareth, nor any grass groweth therein, like the overthrow of Sodom, and Gomorrah, Admah, and Zeboim, which the LORD overthrew in His Anger, and in His Wrath: 24. Even all nations shall say, "WHEREFORE HATH THE LORD DONE THUS UNTO THIS LAND? WHAT MEANETH THE HEAT OF THIS GREAT ANGER?" 25. Then men shall say, "BECAUSE THEY HAVE FORSAKEN THE COVENANT OF THE LORD GOD OF THEIR FATHERS, WHICH HE MADE WITH THEM WHEN HE BROUGHT THEM FORTH OUT OF THE LAND OF EGYPT: 26. "FOR THEY WENT AND SERVED OTHER GODS, AND WORSHIPPED THEM, GODS WHOM THEY KNEW NOT, AND WHOM HE HAD NOT GIVEN UNTO THEM: 27. "AND THE ANGER OF THE LORD WAS KINDLED AGAINST THIS LAND, TO BRING UPON IT ALL THE CURSES THAT ARE WRITTEN IN THIS BOOK: 28. "AND THE LORD ROOTED THEM OUT OF THEIR LAND IN ANGER, AND IN WRATH, AND IN GREAT INDIGNATION, AND CAST THEM INTO ANOTHER LAND, AS IT IS THIS DAY." 29. The Secret (Things belong) unto The LORD our God: but those (Things which are) revealed belong unto us and to our Children for ever, that we may do all The Words of This Law. LORD YESHUA GOT HIS HOLINESS AND AUTHORITY FROM THE LAW OF MOSES- IT WAS THEREFORE IMPOSSIBLE FOR HIM TO ISSUE ANY COMMANDMENT, PROMISE, OR TEACHING THAT SUPERSEDES THE LAW! . MATTHEW 12:41-45. 41. "The men of Nineveh shall rise in Judgment with this Generation, and shall Condemn It: because they repented at the Preaching of Jonas; and, behold, a Greater than Jonas is here. 42. "The Queen of the South shall rise up in the Judgment with this Generation, and shall Condemn It: for she came from The Uttermost Parts of the Earth to hear The Wisdom of Solomon; and, behold, a Greater than Solomon is here. 43. "When the unclean spirit is gone out of a man, he walketh through dry places, seeking rest, and findeth none. 44. "Then he saith, 'I WILL RETURN INTO MY HOUSE FROM WHENCE I CAME OUT;' and when he is come, he findeth it empty, swept, and garnished. 45. "Then goeth he, and taketh with himself seven other spirits more wicked than himself, and they enter in and dwell there: and the last state of that man is worse than the first. Even so shall it be also unto this Wicked Generation." IS IT REASONABLE TO YOU, THAT A PERSON WHO IS DEVIL-POSSESSED ON ALL EIGHT LEVELS OF EXISTENCE, COULD RECEIVE THEIR PRAYERS ANSWERED, OPEN ANY DOOR, OR RECEIVE ANY NEED?[/i] If that were so, when Lord Yeshua threatened Sinners and Backsliders with HELL, he was CONTRADICTING HIMSELF, because if those Promises applied to EVERYONE, that means that NO ONE could be HELD in HELL. The Word of God is SELF-CONSISTENT. GOD NEVER CONTRADICTS HIMSELF. People claiming to speak for God might contradict Him, but a true Speaker-for-God never contradicts God. . JOHN 17:20-23. 20. "Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their Word; 21. "That they all may be One; as Thou, Father, art in me, and I in Thee, that they also may be One in us: that the World may believe that Thou hast sent me. 22. "And the Glory Which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be One, even as we are One: 23. "I in them, and Thou in me, that they may be made Perfect in One; and that the World may know that Thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as Thou hast loved me." WHOM DO YOU POINT TO, AS AN EXAMPLE OF PEOPLE WHO "BELIEVED ON LORD YESHUA THROUGH THE WORD OF THE (THEN SLEEPING) DISCIPLRS?" No such people have ever existed, yet! THE NEW TESTAMENT ADEQUATELY DESCRIBES THE FALL OF THE DISCIPLES, AMD THE CORRUPTION OF THE SEVEN CHURCHES. Those who BELIEVE ON LORD YESHUA through THE WORDS OF LORD YESHUA that the Disciples FINALLY released, decades TOO LATE, have not yet existed. Instead, all we have had is one counterfeit Church after another. |
Re: Jesus' False Promises That Prayers Are Answered by oaroloye(m): 1:28pm On Jan 07, 2020 |
MISHIGAS! AntiChristian: . EXODUS 20:16. 16. "Thou shalt not bear False Witness against thy Neighbour." DO YOU SUFFER FROM A COGNITIVE, READING, OR WRITING DISORDER? Can you really point to any part of my "LONG POST," and show that it is irrelevant? YOU ARE ACCUSING THE GREATEST PROPHET IN HISTORY: EVEN, THE SON OF GOD. Your ETERNAL DESTINY has probably already been decided, with THOSE words alone! "REPENT, AND JESUS WILL SAVE YOU!" May no longer be on-the-table. I derail nothing, but give complete, comprehensive Answers to people who need Solutions to their Real Problems. You are supposed to have known all of these Scriptures since your CHILDHOOD. That would have prevented you from ever generating such ignorant ideas, and wicked imaginations. Only a fool would not appreciate that the Ability to receive exactly what one wants from God far outstrips the value of any other possession or resource. I have told you exactly what you need to know in order to get every one of your prayers answered positively, but you insist on repeatedly showing why God ignores you. Did you bother to read the context of the Lord's Prediction, that explains why he never knew the people trying to claim to have been so intimate with him, that they channeled his Powers? The interface I am using does not permit me to insert Scriptures conveniently. Do you know that there was a woman who obtained Healing from him, before he even knew who she was? . MARK 5:21-43. 21. And when Jesus was passed over again by ship unto the other side, much people gathered unto him: and he was nigh unto the sea. 22. And, behold, there cometh one of the Rulers of the Synagogue, Jairus by name; and when he saw him, he fell at his feet, 23. And besought him greatly, saying, "My little daughter lieth at the point of death: I pray thee, come and lay thy hands on her, that she may be Healed; and she shall live." 24. And Jesus went with him; and much people followed him, and thronged him. 25. And a certain woman, which had an issue of blood twelve years, 26. And had suffered many things of many physicians, and had spent all that she had, and was nothing bettered, but rather grew worse, 27. When she had heard of Jesus, came in the press behind, and touched his garment. 28. For she said, "IF I MAY TOUCH BUT HIS CLOTHES, I SHALL BE WHOLE." 29. And straightway the fountain of her blood was dried up; and she felt in her body that she was Healed of that Plague. 30. And Jesus, immediately knowing in himself that Virtue had gone out of him, turned him about in the press, and Said, "Who Touched my clothes?" 31. And his Disciples said unto him, "Thou seest the multitude thronging thee, and sayest thou, 'WHO TOUCHED ME?' " 32. And he looked round about to see her that had done this thing. 33. But the woman fearing and trembling, knowing what was done in her, came and fell down before him, and told him all the Truth. 34. And he Said unto her, "Daughter, thy Faith hath made thee whole; go in Peace, and be whole of thy Plague." 35. While he yet Spake, there came from the Ruler of the Synagogue's house certain which said, "Thy daughter is dead: why troublest thou the Master any further?" 36. As soon as Jesus heard the word that was spoken, he saith unto the Ruler of the Synagogue, "Be not afraid, only believe." 37. And he suffered no man to follow him, save Peter, and James, and John the brother of James. 38. And he cometh to the house of the Ruler of the Synagogue, and seeth the tumult, and them that wept and wailed greatly. 39. And when he was come in, he Saith unto them, "Why make ye this ado, and weep? The damsel is not dead, but sleepeth." 40. And they laughed him to scorn. But when he had put them all out, he taketh the father and the mother of the damsel, and them that were with him, and entereth in where the damsel was lying. 41. And he took the damsel by the hand, and Said unto her, "Talitha cumi;" which is, being interpreted, "DAMSEL, I SAY UNTO THEE, ARISE." 42. And straightway the damsel arose, and walked; for she was of the age of twelve years. And they were astonished with a great astonishment. 43. And he charged them straitly that no man should know it; and commanded that something should be given her to eat. DO YOU KNOW THAT THERE WAS SOME GUY GOING AROUND, CASTING OUT DEVILS, WHOM LORD YESHUA KNEW NOTHING ABOUT? . MARK 9:33-41. 33.And he came to Capernaum: and being in the house he asked them, "What was it that ye disputed among yourselves by the way?" 34. But they held their peace: for by the way they had disputed among themselves, who should be the greatest. 35. And he sat down, and called the Twelve, and saith unto them, "If any man desire to be first, the same shall be last of all, and servant of all." 36. And he took a child, and set him in the midst of them: and when he had taken him in his arms, he said unto them, 37. "Whosoever shall receive one of such children in my Name, receiveth me: and whosoever shall receive me, receiveth not me, but him that sent me." 38. And John answered him, saying, "Master, we saw one casting out Devils in thy Name, and he followeth not us: and we forbad him, because he followeth not us." 39. But Jesus Said, "Forbid him not: for there is no man which shall do a Miracle in my Name, that can lightly speak Evil of me. 40. "For he that is not against us is on our part. 41. "For whosoever shall give you a cup of water to drink in my Name, because ye belong to Christ, verily I Say unto you, 'HE SHALL NOT LOSE HIS REWARD.' " Besides those situations, the Twelve Disciples will surely be among those whom Lord Yeshua will denounce, that he NEVER knew THEM before. That is consistent with the Prophecy of EZEKIEL, that when Evildoers Repent, their records are effectively expunged. Corollary to that, when the Righteous "backslide," the record of all the GOOD they did is also expunged. . EZEKIEL 3:14-21. 14. So The Spirit lifted me up, and took me away, and I went in bitterness, in the heat of my spirit; but The Hand of The LORD was Strong upon me. 15. Then I came to them of The Captivity at Telabib, that dwelt by the River of Chebar, and I sat where they sat, and remained there astonished among them seven days. 16. And it came to pass at the end of seven days, that The Word of The LORD came unto me, Saying, 17. "Son of Man, I have made thee a Watchman unto The House of Israel: therefore hear the Word at my mouth, and give them warning from me. 18. "When I say unto the Wicked, 'THOU SHALT SURELY DIE;' and thou givest him not Warning, nor speakest to the Wicked from his Wicked Way, to save his life; the same Wicked man shall die in his Iniquity; but his blood will I require at thine hand.' 19. "Yet if thou warn the Wicked, and he turn not from his Wickedness, nor from his Wicked Way, he shall die in his Iniquity; but thou hast delivered thy Soul. 20. "Again, 'WHEN A RIGHTEOUS MAN DOTH TURN FROM HIS RIGHTEOUSNESS, AND COMMIT INIQUITY, AND I LAY A STUMBLINGBLOCK BEFORE HIM, HE SHALL DIE: BECAUSE THOU HAST NOT GIVEN HIM WARNING, HE SHALL DIE IN HIS SIN, AND HIS RIGHTEOUSNESS WHICH HE HATH DONE SHALL NOT BE REMEMBERED; BUT HIS BLOOD WILL I REQUIRE AT THINE HAND.' 21. "Nevertheless if thou Warn the Righteous Man, that the Righteous Sin not, and he doth not Sin, he shall surely live, because he is Warned; also thou hast delivered thy Soul." THIS IS CONSISTENT WITH LORD YESHUA'S BORN AGAIN DOCTRINE. It appears that it works BOTH ways. However, there are certain Iniquities one cannot come back from: (1) DELIBERATELY-COMMITTED SINS: i.e. "INIQUITIES." . NUMBERS 15:27-31. 27. "And if any man Sin through Ignorance, then he shall bring a She Goat of the first year for a Sin Offering. 28. "And the Priest shall make an Atonement for the Soul that Sinneth Ignorantly, when he Sinneth by Ignorance before The LORD, to make an Atonement for him, and it shall be forgiven him. 29. " Ye shall have one Law for him that Sinneth Ignorantly (both for) him that is born among the Children of Israel, and for the Stranger that sojourneth among them. 30. "But the Soul that doeth (ought) presumptuously, (whether he be) born in the land, or a Stranger, the same reproacheth The LORD; and that Soul shall be cut off from among his people. 31. "Because he hath despised The Word of The LORD, and hath broken His Commandment, that Soul shall utterly be cut off; his Iniquity (shall be) upon him." THEIR FORGIVENESS- IF AT ALL- IS BY GOD'S DISCRETION. No Atonement, Promise, nor Law guarantees forgiveness of INIQUITOUS Sins. (2) BLASPHEMY AGAINST THE HOLY GHOST. . MATTHEW 12:30-32. 30. "He that is not with me is against me; and he that gathereth not with me scattereth abroad. 31. "Wherefore I Say unto you, 'ALL MANNER OF SIN AND BLASPHEMY SHALL BE FORGIVEN UNTO MEN: BUT THE BLASPHEMY (AGAINST) THE (HOLY) GHOST SHALL NOT BE FORGIVEN UNTO MEN.' 32. "And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of Man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against The Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this World, neither in the World to come." GOD CAN BE MERCIFUL- BUT FOR THIS, FORGIVENESS IS UNOBTAINABLE! (3) DESTRUCTION OF JUNIOR BELIEVERS' FAITH: "OFFENDING LITTLE CHILDREN. . MATTHEW 18:1-7. AT the same time came the Disciples unto Jesus, saying, "Who is the greatest in The Kingdom of Heaven?" 2. And Jesus called a little child unto him, and set him in the midst of them, 3. And Said, "Verily I Say unto you, 'EXCEPT YE BE CONVERTED, AND BECOME AS LITTLE CHILDREN, YE SHALL NOT ENTER INTO THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN.' 4. "Whosoever therefore shall humble himself as this little child, the same is greatest in The Kingdom of Heaven. 5. "And whoso shall receive one such little child in my Name receiveth me. 6. "But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the Depth of the Sea. 7. "Woe unto the World because of Offences! For it must needs be that Offences come; but woe to that man by whom the Offence cometh!" THERE ARE CLEAR INSTANCES WHERE THE DISCIPLES COMMITTED SUCH OFFENSES! For instance, Lord Yeshua's Disciples and their "Fiends" forbade the Teaching of The Law of Moses and Circumcision to Gentile Christians- while at the same time withholding Lord Yeshua's actual Teachings from both Hebrew Israelite and Gentile Christians. THOSE SOULS WERE IRREVOCABLY DESTROYED. There is no way that they could be forgiven for that. THE "TALENT" OF THEIR "APOSTOLIC" IDENTITIES WAS TAKEN FROM THEM AT THEIR DEATHS, AND WILL BE GIVEN TO WORTHY RECIPIENTS. This is what usually happens when people die. Only those who die with TOTAL RECALL retain their identities after Death. [See: THE FIRE FROM WITHIN, by Carlos Castaneda.] It is nearly inconceivable that the Disciples had TOTAL RECALL of ALL The Lord's Teachings, and still turned around to betray him like that a THIRD time- but if that is what happened, they survived into the AfterLife, but will currently be in HELL. You should express gratitude at being told this. You all should. |
Re: Jesus' False Promises That Prayers Are Answered by objectivechrist: 4:33pm On Jan 07, 2020 |
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Re: Jesus' False Promises That Prayers Are Answered by ojaysam25(m): 7:19pm On Jan 07, 2020 |
all this false teachings by atheist,is Christianity the only religion. |
Re: Jesus' False Promises That Prayers Are Answered by oaroloye(m): 6:37am On Jan 08, 2020 |
SHALOM! [cokor=silver].[/color] ROMANS 8:26-27. 26. Likewise The Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but The Spirit Itself maketh intercession for us with Groanings which cannot be uttered. 27. And He that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is The Mind of The Spirit, because He maketh Intercession for The Saints according to The Will of God. LORD YESHUA'S DISCIPLES FOLLOWED HIM FOR ABOUT THREE-AND-A-HALF YEARS, BEFORE THEY COULD RECEIVE THE HOLY GHOST. The idea that some... UNWASHED GENTILE could expect to receive The Holy Ghost immediately was surely repugnant to any ordinary ISRAELITE- let alone a PHARISEE. Lord Yeshua had warned his Disciples that the GENTILES would leave them behind. They therefore took steps to prevent that from happening. . JOHN 14:15-27. 15. "If ye love me, keep my Commandments. 16. "And I will pray The Father, and He shall give you another Comforter, that He may abide with you for ever; 17. "Even The Spirit of Truth; Whom the World cannot receive, because It seeth Him not, neither knoweth Him: but ye know Him; for He dwelleth with you, and shall be in you. 18. "I will not leave you Comfortless: I will come to you. 19. "Yet a little while, and the World seeth me no more; but ye see me: because I live, ye shall live also. 20. "At that Day ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you. 21. "He that hath my Commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him." 22. Judas saith unto him, not Iscariot, "Lord, how is it that thou wilt manifest thyself unto us, and not unto the World?" 23. Jesus answered and Said unto him, "If a man love me, he will keep my Words, and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him. 24. "He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and The Word which ye hear is not mine, but The Father's Which sent me." 25. "These things have I spoken unto you, being (yet) present with you. 26. "But The Comforter, (Which is) The Holy Ghost, Whom The Father will send in my Name, He shall Teach you all Things, and bring to your remembrance all things whatsoever I have said unto you. 27. "Peace I leave with you, my Peace I give unto you: not as the World giveth give I unto you. Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be afraid." WHEN WITHHOLDING THE TEACHINGS OF LORD YESHUA PROVED INSUFFICIENT, THEY WITHHELD THE LAW OF MOSES, TOO. This was, in effect, banning Christians from reading The Bible. Just because the Disciples received The Holy Ghost on the Day of Pentecost, that does not mean that He stayed with them. . THE TEN TALENTS OF POWER. (Matt. 25:1-30.) 1. TOTAL RECALL. 2. EXTRASENSORY PERCEPTION. 3. TELEKINESIS. 4. TELEPORTATION. 5. TRANSLATION. 6-10. EVERLASTING LIFE. These are what Christians are supposed to Pray For. One should start with TOTAL RECALL: the least manifestation of Union with The Holy Ghost. . DEUTERONOMY 6:4-9. 4. Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD: 5. And thou shalt love The LORD thy God with all thine Heart, and with all thy Soul, and with all thy might. 6. And these Words, which I Command thee this day, shall be in thine heart: 7. And thou shalt teach Them diligently unto thy children, and shalt talk of Them when thou sittest in thine house, and when thou walkest by the way, and when thou liest down, and when thou risest up. 8. And thou shalt bind Them for a sign upon thine hand, and they shall be as frontlets between thine eyes. 9. And thou shalt write Them upon the posts of thy house, and on thy gates. . DEUTERONOMY 8:1-6. ALL The Commandments Which I Command thee this day shall ye observe to do, that ye may live, and multiply, and go in and possess the land which The LORD sware unto your fathers. 2. And thou shalt remember all the Way which The LORD thy God led thee these forty years in the wilderness, to humble thee, and to prove thee, to know what was in thine heart, whether thou wouldest keep His Commandments, or no. 3. And He humbled thee, and suffered thee to hunger, and fed thee with Manna, which thou knewest not, neither did thy fathers know; that He might make thee know that "MAN DOTH NOT LIVE BY BREAD ONLY BUT BY EVERY (WORD) THAT PROCEEDETH OUT OF THE MOUTH OF THE LORD DOTH MAN LIVE." 4. Thy raiment waxed not old upon thee, neither did thy foot swell, these forty years. 5. Thou shalt also consider in thine heart, "THAT, AS A MAN CHASTENETH HIS SON, SO THE LORD THY GOD CHASTENETH THEE." 6. Therefore thou shalt keep The Commandments of The LORD thy God, to walk in His Ways, and to fear Him. MEMORIZATION OF THE LAW OF GOD ENSURES THAT WE NEVER COMMIT ANY SIN. If one does not pray for TOTAL RECALL OF THE WILL OF GOD first of all, one cannot yet be SERIOUS about "BELIEVING-IN-GOD." I spent five years as a Full-Gospel Pentecostal Christian, before I thought of doing that. Actually, I got the idea from KENNETH E. HAGIN'S book: GROWING UP SPIRITUALLY. In it, he explained BIBLICAL Meditation, and recommended PAUL'S Prayers for the EPHESIAN Church. . EPHESIANS 1:15-23. 15. Wherefore I also, after I heard of your Faith in the Lord Jesus, and Love unto all the Saints, 16. Cease not to give thanks for you, making mention of you in my prayers; 17. That The God of our Lord Jesus Christ, The Father of Glory, may give unto you The Spirit of Wisdom and Revelation in The Knowledge of Him: 18. The eyes of your Understanding being Enlightened; that ye may know what is The Hope of His Calling, and what The Riches of The Glory of his Inheritance in The Saints, 19. And what is the exceeding greatness of His Power to us-ward who believe, according to the working of His Mighty Power, 20. Which He wrought in Christ, when he raised him from the Dead, and set him at His own Right Hand in The Heavenly Places, 21. Far above all Principality, and Power, and Might, and Dominion, and every Name that is named, not only in This World, but also in that which is to come: 22. And hath put all things under his feet, and gave him to be The Head over All Things to The Church, 23. Which is his Body, the fulness of him that filleth all in all. . EPHESIANS 3:14-21. 14. For this cause I bow my knees unto The Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, 15. Of whom the whole Family in Heaven and Earth is Named, 16. That He would grant you, according to The Riches of His Glory, to be strengthened with Might by His Spirit in the inner man; 17. That Christ may dwell in your hearts by Faith; that ye, being rooted and grounded in Love, 18. May be able to comprehend with all Saints what is the breadth, and length, and depth, and height; 19. And to know The Love of Christ, which passeth Knowledge, that ye might be filled with all the fulness of God. 20.Now unto Him that is able to do exceeding abundantly above all that we ask or think, according to The Power that worketh in us, 21. Unto Him be Glory in The Church by Christ Jesus throughout all Ages, World without end. Amen. PAUL WAS ONE OF THE WORST LIARS AND HYPOCRITES IN THE HISTORY OF THE WORLD! . ACTS 23:6. 6. But when Paul perceived that the one part were Sadducees, and the other Pharisees, he cried out in the Council, "Men and Brethren, I am a Pharisee, the son of a Pharisee: of The Hope and Resurrection of the Dead I am called in question." . MATTHEW 23:23-33. 23. "Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, Hypocrites! For ye pay Tithe of Mint and Anise and Cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of The Law, Judgment, Mercy, and Faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone. 24. "Ye Blind Guides, which strain at a gnat, and swallow a camel. 25. "Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, Hypocrites! For ye make clean the outside of the cup and of the platter, but within they are full of extortion and excess. 26. "Thou blind Pharisee, cleanse first that which is within the cup and platter, that the outside of them may be clean also. 27. "Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, Hypocrites! For ye are like unto whited sepulchres, which indeed appear beautiful outward, but are within full of Dead Men's Bones, and of all uncleanness. 28. "Even so ye also outwardly appear Righteous unto men, but within ye are full of Hypocrisy and Iniquity. 29. "Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, Hypocrites! Because ye build the tombs of the Prophets, and garnish the sepulchres of the Righteous, 30. "And say, 'IF WE HAD BEEN IN THE DAYS OF OUR FATHERS, WE WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN PARTAKERS WITH THEM IN THE BLOOD OF THE PROPHETS.' 31. "Wherefore ye be Witnesses unto yourselves, that ye are the Children of them which killed the Prophets. 32. "Fill ye up then the Measure of your Fathers. 33. "Ye Serpents, ye Generation of Vipers, how can ye escape The Damnation of Hell?" PAUL INFILTRATED THE CHURCH TO DESTROY IT FROM WITHIN: HIS ENDGAME WAS TO TELL EMPEROR NERO THAT BY TORTURING AND KILLING CHRISTIANS, HE COULD MAKE LORD YESHUA MANIFEST UNTO HIM, WITHOUT REPENTING OF ANYTHING- BECAUSE IT HAD WORKED FOR HIM, PAUL! If that were true, that would be the last thing anyone who loved Christians would tell a jaded monster like NERO. . MATTHEW 7:6. 6. "Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again, and rend you." HIS TELLING EMPEROR NERO HIS TESTIMONY VIOLATED LORD YESHUA'S EXPLICIT COMMANDMENT! . MATTHEW 15:1-20. THEN came to Jesus scribes and Pharisees, which were of Jerusalem, saying, 2. "Why do thy Disciples transgress the Tradition of the Elders? For they wash not their hands when they eat bread." 3. But he answered and Said unto them, "Why do ye also transgress The Commandment of God by your Tradition? 4. "For God Commanded, Saying, 'HONOUR THY FATHER AND MOTHER: AND, HE THAT CURSETH FATHER OR MOTHER LET HIM DIE THE DEATH.' 5. "But ye say, 'WHOSOEVER SHALL SAY TO HIS FATHER OR MOTHER, "IT IS A GIFT, BY WHATSOEVER THOU MIGHTEST BE PROFITED BY ME;" 6. 'AND HONOUR NOT HIS FATHER OR HIS MOTHER, HE SHALL BE FREE.' Thus have ye made The Commandment of God of none effect by your Tradition. 7. "Ye Hypocrites, well did Esaias Prophesy of you, saying, 8. 'THIS PEOPLE DRAWETH NIGH UNTO ME WITH THEIR MOUTH, AND HONOURETH ME WITH THEIR LIPS; BUT THEIR HEART IS FAR FROM ME. 9. 'BUT IN VAIN THEY DO WORSHIP ME, TEACHING FOR DOCTRINES THE COMMANDMENTS OF MEN.' " 10. And he called the multitude, and Said unto them, "Hear, and understand: 11. "Not that which goeth into the mouth defileth a man; but that which cometh out of the mouth, this defileth a man." 12. Then came his Disciples, and Said unto him, "Knowest thou that the Pharisees were offended, after they heard this Saying?" 13. But he answered and Said, "Every plant, which my Heavenly Father hath not Planted, shall be rooted up. 14. "Let them alone: they be blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into the ditch." 15. Then answered Peter and said unto him, "Declare unto us this Parable." 16. And Jesus Said, "Are ye also yet without understanding? 17. "Do not ye yet understand, that whatsoever entereth in at the mouth goeth into the belly, and is cast out into the draught? 18. "But those things which proceed out of the mouth come forth from the heart; and they defile the man. 19. "For out of the heart proceed Evil Thoughts, Murders, Adulteries, Fornications, Thefts, False Witness, Blasphemies: 20. These are the things which defile a man: but to eat with unwashen hands defileth not a man." YOU BECOME AN ADULT WHEN YOU ARE ABLE TO LOOK AT THE BIBLE, COMPARE THE TEACHINGS OF LORD YESHUA WITH THE EPISTLES, AND UNDERSTAND THAT CHURCH TRADITION IS A LIE: THE APOSTLES WERE NEVER CHRISTIANS. . JOHN 14:21-27. 21. "He that hath my Commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him." 22. Judas saith unto him, not Iscariot, "Lord, how is it that thou wilt manifest thyself unto us, and not unto the World?" 23. Jesus answered and Said unto him, "If a man love me, he will keep my Words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him. 24. "He that loveth me not keepeth not my Sayings: and the Word which ye hear is not mine, but The Father's Which sent me. 25. "These things have I spoken unto you, being yet present with you. 26. "But The Comforter, Which is The Holy Ghost, Whom The Father will send in my Name, He shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have Said unto you. 27. "Peace I leave with you, my Peace I give unto you: not as the World giveth, give I unto you. Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be afraid." IT IS VERY COMFORTING TO HAVE SOMEONE ELSE DO ALL THE THINKING FOR YOU, AND JUST TELL YOU WHAT CHURCH TO JOIN, AND WHAT FORMULA TO FOLLOW, IN ORDER TO BE SAVED. That System, handed down to us from "THE APOSTLES" is a LIE. [To be Concluded.] |
Re: Jesus' False Promises That Prayers Are Answered by ochibuogwu5: 1:19pm On Jan 08, 2020 |
When any human being accepts to die with Jesus Christ on the Cross, your *dead-self/flesh* becomes *replaced by Jesus Christ resurrected being through His Holy Spirit* thus it is the Holy Spirit *who prays according to God's will inside our mortal-bodies* thus "when we pray according to HIS WILL, He answers us" (1 John 5:14) and "Romans 8:26 Likewise the *Holy Spirit* also helpeth our *infirmities/limitations*: for *we know not what we should pray for as we ought*: but the *Holy Spirit Himself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered*. Romans 8:27 And He(the God-head) that *searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Holy Spirit*, because *HE (the Holy Spirit) maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God.* This is one of the *wrong interpretations of the scriptures( just pray 'anything you want' and God will answer it)* that have made so many *used to be Christians* to quit *christianity* or make some people who are still in the church feeling *frustrated that God does not answer the prayers their flesh has been making* 1. It is the Holy Spirit at work in our individual lives that *prompts us to pray* thus Proverbs 21:1 "The *king's heart(every human heart)* is in the hand of the LORD, as the rivers of water: He *turns it wheresoever He wills* And Philippians 2:13 "For it is *God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.* 2. The Holy Spirit *makes the prayers through us* (Romans 8:26-27) 3. The Holy Spirit *answers the prayers* (John 14:13-14) John 14:13 And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son. 14:14 If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it. 4. The Holy Spirit *enables us to wait without mummering/grumbling till the time of manifesting the answered prayers* (Habbakuk 1:5, Habbakuk 2:3) Habakkuk 1:5 Behold ye among the heathen, and regard, and wonder marvellously: *for I will work a work in your days, which ye will not believe, though it be told you.* Habakkuk 2:3 For *the vision is yet for an appointed time*, but at *the end it shall speak, and not lie*: though it tarry, *wait for it;* because it will *surely come*, it will not tarry. 5. The Holy Spirit *brings about the manifestation of the answered prayers at His own appointed time* (Galatians 4:4-5) Galatians 4:4 But when *the fulness of the time was come*, God *sent forth his Son*, made of a woman, made under the law, *to redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.* 6. The Father is *glorified for the manifestation of the answered prayers* (John 15:8 ) John 15:8 Herein is *my Father glorified, that ye bear much fruit;* so shall *ye be my disciples.* Great Grace Brethren!!! |
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