Central to the Christian  faith and belief is the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ, but the question is do we really understand the reason why Jesus had to die in order to save Man?

Why was is impossible to save man without the death of Jesus?
To answer this questions we will look at Daniel's experience and the laws of the Mede's and Persians.

We will begin our study with the book of Daniel 6:1 -end, here we learnt that Daniel was loved by the king Darius who was the king of Mede's and Persians, he set Daniel as the first president over his kingdom, the other presidents conspired and influenced the king to establish a decree that could not be altered and by that means they  got Daniel thrown  into the lion's den.
Now when the King heard that Daniel have been found guilty before the law, the king was sore displeased  with himself and set his heart to deliver Daniel, verse 6:14 but he could not because the law and decree of the Mede's and Persians cannot be changed. verse 15.
When God created the Universe and all living things, God instituted laws and decree that guided the conduct of all his created beings.
Note: Sin is not imputed where there is no law Romans5:13 and sin is defined as the transgression of the law.1John3:4
When Adam and Eve sinned against God(broke the law) the penalty of sin  which is death came upon him and his descendants(the whole human race)
Romans  6:23  For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
Just as king Darius loved Daniel, so also God loved man  so much that God laboured so much to deliver man from death.
But  as the law made by imperfect Mede's and Persians could not be changed by the king in order to save Daniel how much more the law made by a perfect, Holy, righteous and unchangeable God Malachi 3:6.
God could not go contrary to his law and decree in order to save man, for the law demands death for its transgressors and only by blood is sin purged.
Hebrews  9:22 And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission.
Like king Darius wanted to save Daniel, God wanted to save humanity from the penalty of death, while king Darius restored to fasting all night on behalf of Daniel, God could not pray or fast to anyone because no one one was higher than him and no one is  able to deliver except him.
So God restored to the only alternative, and that was to offer his only begotten son, Jesus Christ as a sacrificial lamb or offering to pay the penalty owed the law by man, who could not pay the debt.
Conclusion.
Popular teachings among Christians is  that the law (10commandments) were done away with on the cross by death of Jesus Christ this is unscriptural, rather than do away with the law Jesus magnified and exalted law through his death, just as Prophet Isaiah said he will do.Isaiah42:21.
He demonstrated that the law like that of  law of medes and Persians cannot changed.

The Experience of Daniel mirrors that of Christ , Just as Daniel was thrown into the lions den for a crime he did not commit so also Christ was crucified for  sins he did not commit. john15:13. he was crucified to satisfy the just requirement of the law( the 10commandments) in order to  save humanity from our sins and its penalty (death)Heb 2:9-10.

Thank you reading.


https://www.amazingfacts.org/media-library/book/e/25/t/does-god-s-grace-blot-out-the-law-

https://www.ucg.org/bible-study-tools/booklets/the-new-covenant-does-it-abolish-gods-law/what-was-wiped-out-by-jesus-christs-death

OLAADEGBU, MuttleyLaff,Ken4Christ, Pistotita, jcross19, Alexandro15, Maximus69,Ihedinobi3,TATIME,

blueAgent:
OLAADEGBU, MuttleyLaff,Ken4Christ, Pistotita, jcross19, Alexandro15, Maximus69,Ihedinobi3,TATIME,

what can I do for you!

jcross19:
what can I do for you!

Invited to participate of course

blueAgent:
Central to the Christian  faith and belief is the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ, but the question is do we really understand the reason why Jesus had to die in order to save Man?

Why was is impossible to save man without the death of Jesus?
To answer this questions we will look at Daniel's experience and the laws of the Mede's and Persians.

We will begin our study with the book of Daniel 6:1 -end, here we learnt that Daniel was loved by the king Darius who was the king of Mede's and Persians, he set Daniel as the first president over his kingdom, the other presidents conspired and influenced the king to establish a decree that could not be altered and by that means they  got Daniel thrown  into the lion's den.
Now when the King heard that Daniel have been found guilty before the law, the king was sore displeased  with himself and set his heart to deliver Daniel, verse 6:14 but he could not because the law and decree of the Mede's and Persians cannot be changed. verse 15.
When God created the Universe and all living things, God instituted laws and decree that guided the conduct of all his created beings.
Note: Sin is not imputed where there is no law Romans5:13 and sin is defined as the transgression of the law. 1John3:4
When Adam and Eve sinned against God (broke the law) the penalty of sin  which is death came upon him and his descendants(the whole human race)
Romans  6:23  For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
Just as king Darius loved Daniel, so also God loved man so much that God laboured so much to deliver man from death.
But as the law made by imperfect Mede's and Persians could not be changed by the king in order to save Daniel how much more the law made by a perfect, Holy, righteous and unchangeable God Malachi 3:6.
God could not go contrary to his law and decree in order to save man, for the law demands death for its transgressors and only by blood is sin purged.

Hebrews  9:22 And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission.

To be honest, candid and without needing to discuss this subject in excessive detail, the $64,000, is, why blood? What is in blood, and dont say and/or give me a "it's power" reply, yeah, what's in blood, whats inside blood, what does this blood actually have the power to do, what's in this particular/kind/type of blood that requires it be shed to that there be remission?

blueAgent:
Like king Darius wanted to save Daniel, God wanted to save humanity from the penalty of death, while king Darius restored to fasting all night on behalf of Daniel, God could not pray or fast to anyone because no one one was higher than him and no one is able to deliver except Him.

You're comparing apples with oranges here with this your thread titled heading and this for the following considerations:

#1/ King Darius could pray or fast to tomorrow and nothing will ever come out of it because the problem on the ground isnt going to be resolved primarily by fasting and prayer
#2/ Though no one is able to deliver except Him, Jesus still fasted and prayed, but the fasting and praying wasnt primarily for the sake of redemption and/or salvation. God could pray and/or fast, but it's just that its not primarily fast and/or pray that will fix the sin problem at hand. It is going to require something effectively more than fast and prayer
#3/ Notice it took God 4000 years long to incarnate, so to appear, on earth and then to according to plan, die 33¹/₂ years after. God didnt necessarily to come fast and pray but to die, and that's die by the shedding blood, His blood that is, lol

blueAgent:
So God restored to the only alternative, and that was to offer his only begotten son, Jesus Christ as a sacrificial lamb or offering to pay the penalty owed the law by man, who could not pay the debt.
Conclusion.
Popular teachings among Christians is that the law (10 commandments) were done away with on the cross by death of Jesus Christ this is unscriptural, rather than do away with the law Jesus magnified and exalted law through his death, just as Prophet Isaiah said he will do. Isaiah 42:21.
He demonstrated that the law like that of  law of medes and Persians cannot changed.

The Experience of Daniel mirrors that of Christ, Just as Daniel was thrown into the lions den for a crime he did not commit so also Christ was crucified for  sins he did not commit. John 15:13. he was crucified to satisfy the just requirement of the law (the 10 commandments) in order to  save humanity from our sins and its penalty (death) Heb 2:9-10.

Thank you reading.

Daniel was thrown into the lions den for commiting a crime, which is not to pray or worship a non-designated deity. It was against the law of the land to do so. Jesus did not commit any crime, so there is no correlation between Daniel and Jesus in the respect and/or picture you tried to paint up.

blueAgent:
https://www.amazingfacts.org/media-library/book/e/25/t/does-god-s-grace-blot-out-the-law-

https://www.ucg.org/bible-study-tools/booklets/the-new-covenant-does-it-abolish-gods-law/what-was-wiped-out-by-jesus-christs-death

I am pleased you provided your sources because I am going to draw your notice to that "amazingfacts.org" link, where it says, with a heading "The Law Still Binding". Now, fyi blueAgent, of course the law is still binding, but the law can be made inoperable by exercising a higher, stronger and superior law. The law can be rendered out of action by another law

MuttleyLaff:
Invited to participate of course

To be honest, candid and without needing to discuss this subject in excessive detail, the $64,000, is, why blood? What is in blood, and dont say and/or give me a "it's power" reply, yeah, what's in blood, whats inside blood, what does this blood actually have the power to do, what's in this particular/kind/type of blood that requires it be shed to that there be remission?

You're comparing apples with oranges here with this your thread titled heading and this for the following considerations:

#1/ King Darius could pray or fast to tomorrow and nothing will ever come out of it because the problem on the ground isnt going to be resolved primarily by fasting and prayer
#2/ Though no one is able to deliver except Him, Jesus still fasted and prayed, but the fasting and praying wasnt primarily for the sake of redemption and/or salvation. God could pray and/or fast, but it's just that its not primarily fast and/or pray that will fix the sin problem at hand. It is going to require something effectively more than fast and prayer
#3/ Notice it took God 4000 years long to incarnate, so to appear, on earth and then to according to plan, die 33¹/₂ years after. God didnt necessarily to come fast and pray but to die, and that's die by the shedding blood, His blood that is, lol

Daniel was thrown into the lions den for commiting a crime, which is not to pray or worship a non-designated deity. It was against the law of the land to do so. Jesus did not commit any crime, so there is no correlation between Daniel and Jesus in the respect and/or picture you tried to paint up.

I am pleased you provided your sources because I am going to draw your notice to that "amazingfacts.org" link, where it says, with a heading "The Law Still Binding". Now, fyi blueAgent, of course the law is still binding, but the law can be made inoperable by exercising a higher, stronger and superior law. The law can be rendered out of action by another law

You are in error.

You fail to understand that God the Father is not Jesus who reincarnated as man, to come to Earth. this is one of the consequence of believing in the false trinity doctrine.

God almighty who is the father cannot pray or fast, for what purpose and to who will he pray to?

Daniel was thrown into the lions den for a crime he did not commit at least before God Daniel was innocent.
Secondly the law was not legitimate as it was crafted or drafted by those who hate Daniel for the purpose of destroying him.

There is no law higher than the law which God has given.
The law is a reflection of God's virtue and character which is Holy and righteous, as God cannot change so also the law cannot be changed.

jcross19:
what can I do for you!

You are invited to learn the truth about God's plan for Man's salvation and how you are involved in it.

blueAgent:
You are in error.

You fail to understand that God the Father is not Jesus who reincarnated as man, to come to Earth. this is one of the consequence of believing in the false trinity doctrine.

God almighty who is the father cannot pray or fast, for what purpose and to who will he pray to?

Daniel was thrown into the lions den for a crime he did not commit at least before God Daniel was innocent.
Secondly the law was not legitimate as it was crafted or drafted by those who hate Daniel for the purpose of destroying him.

There is no law higher than the law which God has given.
The law is a reflection of God's virtue and character which is Holy and righteous, as God cannot change so also the law cannot be changed

MuttleyLaff:
This is the beauty of breaking bread and sharing it in opened topics like as this one. Interlocutors bring along food, you eat with them on the table, chew the food but making sure not to swallow the bones but to spit them out, lol

blueAgent, my position, is God is not a "not-known-number" of person(s). God, as a matter of fact then, is, x-person and so God, in effect is, ∞-persons, as in, meaning, God, rather, is infinite or infinity and not trinity, lol.

God, is a force, an influence beyond scientific understanding lol, someone without any bound, without limit, without an end. God is the first and the last, God oxymoronically has no beginning and no end. God is a supernatural being, someone bigger and larger than any specified number, even three or trinity. This means, dont put God in a box. It explains why God in His infinite wisdom didnt allow the the word trinity to be printed black and white kokoro out in the Bible, lol

Now going to what you referenced and about the point made by (moniker edited out) when he laid bare Matthew 24:36. Well, you've likely, often heard it said, if you want something done right, you have to do it yourself. Something to be done right is exactly what it's all about and so what God did. This is a matter of the classsic diy aka Do-It-Yourself.

God, can send Himself on an errand, and did send Himself to earth, in the form of Jesus Christ because God simultaneously can be in more than one place at a time (i.e. God can be in Heaven and on earth, at the same time) Note that, Jesus didnt correct people that addressed Him as God, for example, where and when said: "My Lord, My God" to Him

Christ cannot share the same body with God the father, because God is formless. God has no clear definite shape or size. Jesus Christ is the product of God projecting Himself as a human being in the person of Jesus Christ on earth. Jesus Christ is the visible image of the invisible God. Why does Jesus Christ need to be a human being on earth?. Fundamentally, it is because one needs a human body to lawfully and have a permitted way to legally operate on earth. God is not going to be a law breaker and be breaking Genesis 1:26-28

Now, though Jesus is God, He did not think of equality with God, as something to cling to. Instead, He gave up his divine privileges. He took the humble position of a servant and was born as a human being, and so God appeared on earth, in human form, as in, the person of Jesus Christ, God's Son, which means, it is a guarantee and not rocket science, that fathers will always know things that sons will have no idea or knowledge of.

This isnt news anymore

Speak for yourself

I have already predicted an impetuous response like this, so just save it. OK? I have blueAgent, as you can see from the above quotation taken from a post on another thread, that I read it all before, so dont bother trying it here because all this your baseless and/or false trinitarian accusation will not wash. You frankly and simply are barking up the wrong tree.

Now, it seems you want to hear word ni, abi, hmm? Well no problem, your wish is my command, as you've come to the right person, who will give that earful of word, you so seriously want to hear. OK? Now, blueAgent, let's start with, here, five simple, easy, direct and straightforward questions for you to reply to:

#1/ First and foremost, why not tell me, at what point or when in time, did God, start to become and/or became God, the Father, lol?
#2/ From reading Daniel 6:9-10, did Daniel flout the law of the land, and so thereby commit a crime or not against the law of the land, hmm?
#3/ What's the meaning of "secondly the law was not legitimate as it was crafted or drafted by those who hate Daniel for the purpose of destroying him," did King Darius not put the decree in writing ni?
#4/ You said "there is no law higher than the law which God has given." abi? OK then, show me what the law which God has given that you're referring to, and I will too, show you what is the higher, stronger and superior law, lol.
#5/ Tbh you dont at all understand the indication of what you are saying by this "The law is a reflection of God's virtue and character which is Holy and righteous, as God cannot change so also the law cannot be changed." comment. Please is it possible for one law to get overridden and/or countermanded/counteracted by another law at all, lol?

I know it is pointless and a waste of time asking those five questions above because knowing you, you are going to ignore replying to each and/or all of them, lol. As blueAgent cannot change, and as a leopard doesnt change its spots, I know you havent changed from avoiding to reply back to questions and if you, by a freak of nature, do reply back, your reply, definitely would not be in the same format numbering, order and style the questions were asked, lol.

blueAgent:
OLAADEGBU, MuttleyLaff,Ken4Christ, Pistotita, jcross19, Alexandro15, Maximus69,Ihedinobi3,TATIME,

Hmmm! Not sure why you mentioned me, but hmmmm!

blueAgent:
Central to the Christian  faith and belief is the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ, but the question is do we really understand the reason why Jesus had to die in order to save Man?

Why was is impossible to save man without the death of Jesus?
To answer this questions we will look at Daniel's experience and the laws of the Mede's and Persians.

We will begin our study with the book of Daniel 6:1 -end, here we learnt that Daniel was loved by the king Darius who was the king of Mede's and Persians, he set Daniel as the first president over his kingdom, the other presidents conspired and influenced the king to establish a decree that could not be altered and by that means they  got Daniel thrown  into the lion's den.
Now when the King heard that Daniel have been found guilty before the law, the king was sore displeased  with himself and set his heart to deliver Daniel, verse 6:14 but he could not because the law and decree of the Mede's and Persians cannot be changed. verse 15.
When God created the Universe and all living things, God instituted laws and decree that guided the conduct of all his created beings.
Note: Sin is not imputed where there is no law Romans5:13 and sin is defined as the transgression of the law.1John3:4
When Adam and Eve sinned against God(broke the law) the penalty of sin  which is death came upon him and his descendants(the whole human race)
Romans  6:23  For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
Just as king Darius loved Daniel, so also God loved man  so much that God laboured so much to deliver man from death.
But  as the law made by imperfect Mede's and Persians could not be changed by the king in order to save Daniel how much more the law made by a perfect, Holy, righteous and unchangeable God Malachi 3:6.
God could not go contrary to his law and decree in order to save man, for the law demands death for its transgressors and only by blood is sin purged.
Hebrews  9:22 And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission.
Like king Darius wanted to save Daniel, God wanted to save humanity from the penalty of death, while king Darius restored to fasting all night on behalf of Daniel, God could not pray or fast to anyone because no one one was higher than him and no one is  able to deliver except him.
So God restored to the only alternative, and that was to offer his only begotten son, Jesus Christ as a sacrificial lamb or offering to pay the penalty owed the law by man, who could not pay the debt.
Conclusion.
Popular teachings among Christians is  that the law (10commandments) were done away with on the cross by death of Jesus Christ this is unscriptural, rather than do away with the law Jesus magnified and exalted law through his death, just as Prophet Isaiah said he will do.Isaiah42:21.
He demonstrated that the law like that of  law of medes and Persians cannot changed.

The Experience of Daniel mirrors that of Christ , Just as Daniel was thrown into the lions den for a crime he did not commit so also Christ was crucified for  sins he did not commit. john15:13. he was crucified to satisfy the just requirement of the law( the 10commandments) in order to  save humanity from our sins and its penalty (death)Heb 2:9-10.

Thank you reading.


https://www.amazingfacts.org/media-library/book/e/25/t/does-god-s-grace-blot-out-the-law-

https://www.ucg.org/bible-study-tools/booklets/the-new-covenant-does-it-abolish-gods-law/what-was-wiped-out-by-jesus-christs-death

I have a question. But first, I want to say that this topic is not good (too controversial) for NL where your audience is not made up of ONLY christians. There are better topics you could have chosen in my opinion.

Anyway, I am not after "law" here, but might be we will get into it later. Who knows? Anyway, let us assume those who will follow this thread are christians; else, I will definitely not use this approach.

Let us look at the bolded areas. It seems you are saying that ONLY the blood of Jesus can save this world. Please, i need a clarification here. Is it ONLY the blood of Jesus which could be used? I want to understand the meaning of "the only alternative" you used in your post.

Pistotita:

Hmmm! Not sure why you mentioned me, but hmmmm!




I have a question. But first, I want to say that this topic is not good (too controversial) for NL where your audience is not made up of ONLY christians. There are better topics you could have chosen in my opinion.

Anyway, I am not after "law" here, but might be we will get into it later. Who knows? Anyway, let us assume those who will follow this thread are christians; else, I will definitely not use this approach.

Let us look at the bolded areas. It seems you are saying that ONLY the blood of Jesus can save this world. Please, i need a clarification here. Is it ONLY the blood of Jesus which could be used? I want to understand the meaning of "the only alternative" you used in your post.

Only Jesus blood could wash our sins away because every other blood is contaminated with sin. That was why he was born of a virgin. The sin nature was not in Jesus.

Under the law of Moses, they used a lamb without spot or blemish for atonement which is symbolic of the purity of the sacrifice. So there is no alternative to the salvation of mankind. Only Jesus blood can wash our sins away.

Ken4Christ:


Only Jesus blood could wash our sins away because every other blood is contaminated with sin. That was why he was born of a virgin. The sin nature was not in Jesus.

Under the law of Moses, they used a lamb without spot or blemish for atonement which is symbolic of the purity of the sacrifice. So there is no alternative to the salvation of mankind. Only Jesus blood can wash our sins away.

1. Any scripture to back up your answer that ONLY Jesus' blood was without sin? And what about the host of heaven loyal to God? Are you saying they are all sinful? The ones who fought on God's side against Lucifer ...are they also sinful?

2. Since you mentioned he was born of a virgin to show his blood must not be contaminated. It means the virgin is sinless too. Right? Hmmmm! This is what I understand from your post. Are you saying virgins are sinless?

Note: I am still operating here based on the assumption that this thread is ONLY for christians.

@blueAgent ....still expecting to read from you.

Pistotita:


1. Any scripture to back up your answer that ONLY Jesus' blood was without sin? And what about the host of heaven loyal to God? Are you saying they are all sinful? The ones who fought on God's side against Lucifer ...are they also sinful?

2. Since you mentioned he was born of a virgin to show his blood must not be contaminated. It means the virgin is sinless too. Right? Hmmmm! This is what I understand from your post. Are you saying virgins are sinless?

Note: I am still operating here based on the assumption that this thread is ONLY for christians.

@blueAgent ....still expecting to read from you.

Yes there are lots of scriptures that proves that Jesus was without sin.
Yes Angels were sinful in the eyes of God.
If you understand God's level of Holiness you will understand while Angels were not even qualified to redeem man.

Job 15:15
Behold, he putteth no trust in his saints; yea, the
heavens are not clean in his sight.

Job 4:18
Behold, he put no trust in his servants; and his
angels he charged with folly.

Only Jesus was found worthy Bible verses.
Revelation 5:4-8 King James Version (KJV)
And I wept much, because no man was found
worthy to open and to read the book, neither to look
thereon.
And one of the elders saith unto me, Weep not:
behold, the Lion of the tribe of Judah, the Root of
David, hath prevailed to open the book, and to loose
the seven seals thereof.
And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and
of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders,
stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns
and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God
sent forth into all the earth.
And he came and took the book out of the right
hand of him that sat upon the throne.
And when he had taken the book, the four beasts
and four and twenty elders fell down before the Lamb,
having every one of them harps, and golden vials full
of odours, which are the prayers of saints.




Jesus had no sin. Bible verses below.

1 Peter 2:22
WHO COMMITTED NO SIN, NOR WAS ANY DECEIT
FOUND IN HIS MOUTH;


2 Corinthians 5:21
He made Him who knew no sin to be sin on our
behalf, so that we might become the righteousness of
God in Him.

Hebrews 4:15
For we do not have a high priest who cannot
sympathize with our weaknesses, but One who has
been tempted in all things as we are, yet without sin.


Luke 1:35
The angel answered and said to her, "The Holy Spirit
will come upon you, and the power of the Most High
will overshadow you; and for that reason the holy
Child shall be called the Son of God.


1 John 3:5
You know that He appeared in order to take away
sins; and in Him there is no sin.


Matthew 27:24
When Pilate saw that he was accomplishing nothing,
but rather that a riot was starting, he took water and
washed his hands in front of the crowd, saying, "I am
innocent of this Man's blood; see to that yourselves."

John 19:4
Pilate came out again and said to them, "Behold, I am
bringing Him out to you so that you may know that I
find no guilt in Him."

John 8:29
"And He who sent Me is with Me; He has not left Me
alone, for I always do the things that are pleasing to
Him."

Isaiah 53:9
His grave was assigned with wicked men, Yet He was
with a rich man in His death, Because He had done
no violence, Nor was there any deceit in His mouth.

1 Peter 1:18-19
knowing that you were not redeemed with perishable
things like silver or gold from your futile way of life
inherited from your forefathers, but with precious
blood, as of a lamb unblemished and spotless, the
blood of Christ.

Pistotita:


1. Any scripture to back up your answer that ONLY Jesus' blood was without sin? And what about the host of heaven loyal to God? Are you saying they are all sinful? The ones who fought on God's side against Lucifer ...are they also sinful?

2. Since you mentioned he was born of a virgin to show his blood must not be contaminated. It means the virgin is sinless too. Right? Hmmmm! This is what I understand from your post. Are you saying virgins are sinless?

Note: I am still operating here based on the assumption that this thread is ONLY for christians.

@blueAgent ....still expecting to read from you.

No, virgins are not without Sin. remember that Jesus was not conceived through the act of sexual intercourse but he was conceived by the Holy spirit and God miraculously kept him free from Mary's human sin full nature.

Not all the Angels are sinful but none can compare to God's level of Holiness or righteousness except Jesus the SON OF GOD.

jcross19:
what can I do for you!

Remember that you had doubt's over Sunday worship.

This article goes to the foundation of that issue by exposing the lie that the law(the 10 commandments)that contain the command to keep the sabbath has not be abolished but us still in effect.

The Catholic church knew that the only way they can promote there false doctrines and change the sabbath day to Sunday was to spread the lie that Jesus did away with the law through his death.


Remember Jesus said that it will require even Heaven and Earth to pass away that one T or comma or dot to be removed from the law. this clearly shows that not even his death would have changed the law,if so he would have told us.

Matthew 5:18
For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth
pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass
from the law, till all be fulfilled.

Luke 16:17
And it is easier for heaven and earth to pass away
than for one tittle of the law to fail.

Pistotita:

Hmmm! Not sure why you mentioned me, but hmmmm!




I have a question. But first, I want to say that this topic is not good (too controversial) for NL where your audience is not made up of ONLY christians. There are better topics you could have chosen in my opinion.

Anyway, I am not after "law" here, but might be we will get into it later. Who knows? Anyway, let us assume those who will follow this thread are christians; else, I will definitely not use this approach.

Let us look at the bolded areas. It seems you are saying that ONLY the blood of Jesus can save this world. Please, i need a clarification here. Is it ONLY the blood of Jesus which could be used? I want to understand the meaning of "the only alternative" you used in your post.

You are wondering why i mentioned you.
You are a seeker of knowledge and you asked me why Adventist worship on the Sabbath day.

The foundation to that answer is what I have shown in this article.

The topic is controversial because it is important to humans destiny.
There is no other better platform than this.


Of cos only the blood of Jesus could save man from the penalty of death. I will elaborate on it later.

blueAgent:

Remember that you had doubt's over Sunday worship.

This article goes to the foundation of that issue by exposing the lie that the law(the 10 commandments)that contain the command to keep the sabbath has not be abolished but us still in effect.

The Catholic church knew that the only way they can promote there false doctrines and change the sabbath day to Sunday was to spread the lie that Jesus did away with the law through his death.


Remember Jesus said that it will require even Heaven and Earth to pass away that one T or comma or dot to be removed from the law. this clearly shows that not even his death would have changed the law,if so he would have told us.

Matthew 5:18
For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth
pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass
from the law, till all be fulfilled.

Luke 16:17
And it is easier for heaven and earth to pass away
than for one tittle of the law to fail.

you are just desperate now that Mathew you quoted is talking about prophecy about Jesus dying on the cross like fulfillment of the prophecy.

Pistotita:

Hmmm! Not sure why you mentioned me, but hmmmm!




I have a question. But first, I want to say that this topic is not good (too controversial) for NL where your audience is not made up of ONLY christians. There are better topics you could have chosen in my opinion.

Anyway, I am not after "law" here, but might be we will get into it later. Who knows? Anyway, let us assume those who will follow this thread are christians; else, I will definitely not use this approach.

Let us look at the bolded areas. It seems you are saying that ONLY the blood of Jesus can save this world. Please, i need a clarification here. Is it ONLY the blood of Jesus which could be used? I want to understand the meaning of "the only alternative" you used in your post.

Yes, only the blood of Jesus could save the World.

The penalty of Sin is death, which man became subject to as a result if his sin.

And the same law demands that for the remission of sins blood must be shed.

Of cos a sinner could not shed his blood for others when he himself has not been able to pay his own debt to the law.

It was the only alternative for God because God could not change the law.
like I wrote in the OP, if laws made by imperfect men could not be changed how much more that made by a perfect God?
Imagine the chaos,mutiny,disrespect and instability that the whole Universe would have experienced if God had changed or by court the law to save Man, no angel or created being in Heaven would have taken God's word and government serious.

Only a lamb or sacrifice without blemish or sin could meet the just requirements of the law. this were been demonstrated by the Israelites in the old testament by offering a lamb without spot as sin offering.
This was a shadow of the thing to come which is Christ the lamb of God.

No one, I repeat No one, was qualified except Jesus the son of God, who offered himself as a sacrificial lamb in order to redeem me, you and humanity from the curse of Sin.

jcross19:
you are just desperate now that Mathew you quoted is talking about prophecy about Jesus dying on the cross like fulfillment of the prophecy.

Which prophecy? and how does it prove that the law has been dine away with?.

blueAgent:



Which prophecy? and how does it prove that the law has been dine away with?.

do you know Israelites has about 623 laws?now you know is a crime to sow different seeds on a farm? what about that then we suppose to be scarifying bullock or pigeon on the alter nah?.

MuttleyLaff:


I have already predicted an impetuous response like this, so just save it. OK? I have blueAgent, as you can see from the above quotation taken from a post on another thread, that I read it all before, so dont bother trying it here because all this your baseless and/or false trinitarian accusation will not wash. You frankly and simply are barking up the wrong tree.

Now, it seems you want to hear word ni, abi, hmm? Well no problem, your wish is my command, as you've come to the right person, who will give that earful of word, you so seriously want to hear. OK? Now, blueAgent, let's start with, here, five simple, easy, direct and straightforward questions for you to reply to:

#1/ First and foremost, why not tell me, at what point or when in time, did God, start to become and/or became God, the Father, lol?
#2/ From reading Daniel 6:9-10, did Daniel flout the law of the land, and so thereby commit a crime or not against the law of the land, hmm?
#3/ What's the meaning of "secondly the law was not legitimate as it was crafted or drafted by those who hate Daniel for the purpose of destroying him," did King Darius not put the decree in writing ni?
#4/ You said "there is no law higher than the law which God has given." abi? OK then, show me what the law which God has given that you're referring to, and I will too, show you what is the higher, stronger and superior law, lol.
#5/ Tbh you dont at all understand the indication of what you are saying by this "The law is a reflection of God's virtue and character which is Holy and righteous, as God cannot change so also the law cannot be changed." comment. Please is it possible for one law to get overridden and/or countermanded/counteracted by another law at all, lol?

I know it is pointless and a waste of time asking those five questions above because knowing you, you are going to ignore replying to each and/or all of them, lol. As blueAgent cannot change, and as a leopard doesnt change its spots, I know you havent changed from avoiding to reply back to questions and if you, by a freak of nature, do reply back, your reply, definitely would not be in the same format numbering, order and style the questions were asked, lol.

Your number 1 question lacks merit or meaning.

Like I said before the law was illegitimate and crafetly established in order to destroy Daniel.
A proof if this can be found in the fact that those behind the consipiration and their families were thrown into the lions den and they were killed by the lion.
The question is if Daniel was not innocent or if the law was not illegitimate why did the people behind it punished with their families?

The law God has given is the TEN Commandments.


If laws made by men can be changed at there own will or discretion that is because they are imperfect, but God is perfect and Holy

blueAgent:
Your number 1 question lacks merit or meaning

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Lacks merit or meaning my foot, lol.
Just admit you're stumped, you dont know what the answer is and so dont know what correctly to say, lol.

blueAgent:
Like I said before the law was illegitimate and crafetly established in order to destroy Daniel.

"crafetly established in order to destroy Daniel." has no significance or influence on the question at hand. From reading Daniel 6:9-10, did Daniel flout the law of the land, and so thereby commit a crime or not against the law of the land, hmm? Yes or No

blueAgent:
A proof if this can be found in the fact that those behind the consipiration and their families were thrown into the lions den and they were killed by the lion.
The question is if Daniel was not innocent

Did King Darius not put the decree into writing ni? Was Jesus not sentenced to death on trumped up charges ni?

blueAgent:
or if the law was not illegitimate why did the people behind it punished with their families?

It has nothing to do with any illegitimacy. Why werent the Jews who falsely accused Jesus not punished?

blueAgent:
The law God has given is the TEN Commandments.

Are you able to tell what the laws, the ten commandments plus the 613 other ones are under hinged on?

blueAgent:
If laws made by men can be changed at there own will or discretion that is because they are imperfect, but God is perfect and Holy

blueAgent, nobody is talking of changing laws, but what's discussed is how some laws get overridden, cancelled out and made inoperably redundant by a higher, superior and stronger law

You dont disappoint. I knew you wont properly answer those five questions as I know you havent changed from avoiding to reply back to questions, and that you wont use the same format numbering, order and style of the questions to answer back with.

Pistotita:


1. Any scripture to back up your answer that ONLY Jesus' blood was without sin? And what about the host of heaven loyal to God? Are you saying they are all sinful? The ones who fought on God's side against Lucifer ...are they also sinful?

2. Since you mentioned he was born of a virgin to show his blood must not be contaminated. It means the virgin is sinless too. Right? Hmmmm! This is what I understand from your post. Are you saying virgins are sinless?

Note: I am still operating here based on the assumption that this thread is ONLY for christians.

@blueAgent ....still expecting to read from you.

The host of heavens are angelic beings and angels can't die for mankind because they are not in the same class. Besides, angels don't have redemption. They are not a free moral being. So, when angel sins, they are immediately judged and doom for damnation.

Mary wasn't sinless but the seed that produces a child is in man and not in the woman. Since Jesus wasn't born through the agency of the sperm in man, he was sinless. And that was why he was the only person qualified to take away the sins of the world.

Under the Old Testament, the Jews were instructed to always sacrifice a lamb without blemish which was a symbol of sinlessness.

Eze 46:13 Thou shalt daily prepare a burnt
offering unto the LORD of a lamb of the first year without blemish: thou shalt prepare it every morning.

Our Lord Jesus was also described as a lamb without blemish.

1Pe 1:19 But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:

blueAgent:

Yes there are lots of scriptures that proves that Jesus was without sin.
Yes Angels were sinful in the eyes of God.
If you understand God's level of Holiness you will understand while Angels were not even qualified to redeem man.

My question is not that you prove Jesus is without sin. I want you to prove that Jesus is the ONLY one without sin according to christians. Well, you have stated the single criterion needed which is blameless. Are you still saying only Jesus was blameless in the eyes of God?

The issue of God's level of holiness does not come in here yet. Remember you mentioned "law". Or do you want me to prove that God does not stand sin in any form? Bible makes me believe God cannot stand any appearance of sin. If all His angels were sinful, do you think some will still be there? Are you saying Michael and Gabriel are also sinful? I want to believe it is your assumption or doctrine that all angels are sinful.

Job 15:15
Behold, he putteth no trust in his saints; yea, the
heavens are not clean in his sight.

Paul mentioned about 3rd heaven (many Bible scholars believe he was the man) 2. Cor 12.2. There was 7 heavens reference in the Bible too. God resides in heaven (the holiest) and not in the heavens. Singular vs plural. When you study this subject well, you understand there are sinful heavens.

Also, the person who made this statement also tried to portray God bad to Job. This person did not know God. I believe reading the whole chapter will show you that it was the personal opinion of someone who doubted God. However, he might be right simply because he used plural instead of singular to describe the places (not the place where God resides).

Job 4:18
Behold, he put no trust in his servants; and his
angels he charged with folly.

God is not too difficult to understand. If He does not trust anyone, He cannot entrust him with keeping His throne secured (according to what the Bible makes me believe). Also, the Bible makes me believe the slightest sin cannot come close to Him. Yet the Bible recorded beings, spirits and elders worshipping Him in many verses. Are these people sinful also? Hmmmmm! Yet, we are told that not a spot of sinnis foindnclose to Him. Or did Jesus die for these beings too?

This statement is also from soneone who is doubtful about God. And most translation used the conditional statement..... if.... Please, check other translations.

Also remember that this statement might be explained that God does not place His confidence in His angles because some rebelled against Him. Of course Lucifer used to serve Him too accordimg to the Bible. Here we were told that God does not put trust in His servants, and not in ALL His servants.

Only Jesus was found worthy Bible verses.
Revelation 5:4-8 King James Version (KJV)
And I wept much, because no man was found
worthy to open and to read the book, neither to look
thereon.
And one of the elders saith unto me, Weep not:
behold, the Lion of the tribe of Judah, the Root of
David, hath prevailed to open the book, and to loose
the seven seals thereof.
And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and
of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders,
stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns
and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God
sent forth into all the earth.
And he came and took the book out of the right
hand of him that sat upon the throne.
And when he had taken the book, the four beasts
and four and twenty elders fell down before the Lamb,
having every one of them harps, and golden vials full
of odours, which are the prayers of saints.

Now you have mixed it up. My question is before Jesus' death. So I asked, was it ONLY Jesus whose blood was qualified?


Remember that he after ressurection the Bible says His name was lifted far above all other names. This was where Jesus earned it. This was the reward.

Jesus had no sin. Bible verses below.

1 Peter 2:22
WHO COMMITTED NO SIN, NOR WAS ANY DECEIT
FOUND IN HIS MOUTH;


2 Corinthians 5:21
He made Him who knew no sin to be sin on our
behalf, so that we might become the righteousness of
God in Him.

Hebrews 4:15
For we do not have a high priest who cannot
sympathize with our weaknesses, but One who has
been tempted in all things as we are, yet without sin.


Luke 1:35
The angel answered and said to her, "The Holy Spirit
will come upon you, and the power of the Most High
will overshadow you; and for that reason the holy
Child shall be called the Son of God.


1 John 3:5
You know that He appeared in order to take away
sins; and in Him there is no sin.


Matthew 27:24
When Pilate saw that he was accomplishing nothing,
but rather that a riot was starting, he took water and
washed his hands in front of the crowd, saying, "I am
innocent of this Man's blood; see to that yourselves."

John 19:4
Pilate came out again and said to them, "Behold, I am
bringing Him out to you so that you may know that I
find no guilt in Him."

John 8:29
"And He who sent Me is with Me; He has not left Me
alone, for I always do the things that are pleasing to
Him."

Isaiah 53:9
His grave was assigned with wicked men, Yet He was
with a rich man in His death, Because He had done
no violence, Nor was there any deceit in His mouth.

1 Peter 1:18-19
knowing that you were not redeemed with perishable
things like silver or gold from your futile way of life
inherited from your forefathers, but with precious
blood, as of a lamb unblemished and spotless, the
blood of Christ.

I did not asked you to prove if Jesus was with sin or not.


NOTE:
Jesus'name was lifted above all other names after ressurection.

blueAgent:



No, virgins are not without Sin. remember that Jesus was not conceived through the act of sexual intercourse but he was conceived by the Holy spirit and God miraculously kept him free from Mary's human sin full nature.

1. So, are you saying that you agree that the womb that carried Jesus is sinful?

Not all the Angels are sinful but none can compare to God's level of Holiness or righteousness except Jesus the SON OF GOD.

2. I am not concerned about sex here. Looks like you agreed there are sinless angels. Lol. Now,
A) prove that ONLY Jesus' blood was qualified.

B) Prove that Jesus was holier and more righteous than all the host of heaven where the throne of God is especially before ressurection?

blueAgent:

Remember that you had doubt's over Sunday worship.

This article goes to the foundation of that issue by exposing the lie that the law(the 10 commandments)that contain the command to keep the sabbath has not be abolished but us still in effect.

The Catholic church knew that the only way they can promote there false doctrines and change the sabbath day to Sunday was to spread the lie that Jesus did away with the law through his death.


Remember Jesus said that it will require even Heaven and Earth to pass away that one T or comma or dot to be removed from the law. this clearly shows that not even his death would have changed the law,if so he would have told us.

Matthew 5:18
For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth
pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass
from the law, till all be fulfilled.

Luke 16:17
And it is easier for heaven and earth to pass away
than for one tittle of the law to fail.

I have no problem with your church serving on Saturdays, but it seems you are exactly like those who condemned you. Why condemned the catholic for choosing Sundays? Who told you that most pentecosts and protestants followed catholics? You are just like them. And I am sick of this irrelevancies and unnecessary debates.

Ok. Your opponents will crush you with the following verses:


Mark 16.9
Now after He had risen early on the first day of the week, He first appeared to Mary Magdalene, from whom He had cast out seven demons.

John 20:1-2
Now on the first day of the week Mary Magdalene came early to the tomb, while it was still dark, and saw the stone already taken away from the tomb. So she ran and came to Simon Peter and to the other disciple whom Jesus loved, and said to them, "They have taken away the Lord out of the tomb, and we do not know where they have laid Him."

Matthew 28:1
Now after the Sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, Mary Magdalene and the other Mary came to look at the grave.

Mark 16:1-2
When the Sabbath was over, Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James, and Salome, bought spices, so that they might come and anoint Him. Very early on the first day of the week, they came to the tomb when the sun had risen.

Acts 20:7
On the first day of the week, when we were gathered together to break bread, Paul began talking to them, intending to leave the next day, and he prolonged his message until midnight.

1 Corinthians 16:1-2
Now concerning the collection for the saints, as I directed the churches of Galatia, so do you also. On the first day of every week each one of you is to put aside and save, as he may prosper, so that no collections be made when I come.


Revelation 1:10
I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, and I heard behind me a loud voice like the sound of a trumpet,


Leviticus 23:11
'He shall wave the sheaf before the LORD for you to be accepted; on the day after the sabbath the priest shall wave it.

Mark 16:1
When the Sabbath was over, Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James, and Salome, bought spices, so that they might come and anoint Him.

Mark 16:2
Very early on the first day of the week, they came to the tomb when the sun had risen.

John 20:19
So when it was evening on that day, the first day of the week, and when the doors were shut where the disciples were, for fear of the Jews, Jesus came and stood in their midst and said to them, "Peace be with you."

Luke 24:1
But on the first day of the week, at early dawn, they came to the tomb bringing the spices which they had prepared.

John 20:1
Now on the first day of the week Mary Magdalene came early to the tomb, while it was still dark, and saw the stone already taken away from the tomb.


1 Corinthians 16:2
On the first day of every week each one of you is to put aside and save, as he may prosper, so that no collections be made when I come.

Please, did you read about catholic here? So, why blame catholic? You choose to worship on Saturdays ...fine. They choose to worship on Sundays....fine.


Please, answer this question. It is very vital. Do not ignore it.

Will worshipping on Sundays make one lose heaven?

blueAgent:



You are wondering why i mentioned you.
You are a seeker of knowledge and you asked me why Adventist worship on the Sabbath day.

The foundation to that answer is what I have shown in this article.

The topic is controversial because it is important to humans destiny.
There is no other better platform than this.


Of cos only the blood of Jesus could save man from the penalty of death. I will elaborate on it later.

I believe I have explained enough above, and I have asked you more questions. Again, i am repeating that I am not asking you to prove Jesus blood was qualified or not. I asked you to prove ONLY Jesus' blood was qualified. And so far you have not proved it.

1. Only sinless blood can do it. (We both agreed on this)
2. Not all angels are sinless. (We both agreed on this)


3. Jesus was more righteous and holier than the host of heaven, and this was the reason His blood was qualified. (Kindly prove it that Jesus was holier and more righteous before resurection).

blueAgent:



Yes, only the blood of Jesus could save the World.

The penalty of Sin is death, which man became subject to as a result if his sin.

And the same law demands that for the remission of sins blood must be shed.

Of cos a sinner could not shed his blood for others when he himself has not been able to pay his own debt to the law.

It was the only alternative for God because God could not change the law.

Do not go to the law now. You keep saying the law which we will get to later. I understand more as I grow up. But first, answer the questions I put forward. Prove that Jesus' blood was the ONLY qualified one.

like I wrote in the OP, if laws made by imperfect men could not be changed how much more that made by a perfect God?
Imagine the chaos,mutiny,disrespect and instability that the whole Universe would have experienced if God had changed or by court the law to save Man, no angel or created being in Heaven would have taken God's word and government serious.

Only a lamb or sacrifice without blemish or sin could meet the just requirements of the law. this were been demonstrated by the Israelites in the old testament by offering a lamb without spot as sin offering.
This was a shadow of the thing to come which is Christ the lamb of God.

[b]No one, I repeat No one, was qualified except Jesus the son of God, who offered himself as a sacrificial lamb in order to redeem me, you and humanity from the curse of Sin. [b]

Oga, stop beating your chest with 100% certainty with no proof. I have asked you more questions...get to work and answer me. Leave these statements and focus on answering the questions. I do not know it all too, so I do not beat my chest with 100% assurance.

The reason athiests mock religious people is that religious people do not understand what they say. They just follow blindly. Prove that Jesus' blood was the ONLY qualified blood since you agreed that not all angels are sinful (there are sinless angels), and a sinless blood is needed for human salvation.

Ken4Christ:


The host of heavens are angelic beings and angels can't die for mankind because they are not in the same class.

What is the proof that angels cannot die for mankind? Show me, and do not just say it. And which class are you talking about here?

As far as I know there was a place in the Bible I read "the sons of God (angels) came to earth to have sex with the daughters of men. So, if they can pick up human flesh which is not in accordance to God's will...it means that angels can also turn to humans without taking permission from God. Meaning there are many things God may not be able to control, or could not control. It is why athiests tell you that "god" is not competent. Lol. Yeah. Truly, it seemed that to me too, but that is not the end of the story. I believe God is competent and just. This topic is deep and you do not bring such here and start arguing what you cannot prove..

Besides, angels don't have redemption. They are not a free moral being. So, when angel sins, they are immediately judged and doom for damnation.

Prove that angels were not qualified to redeem human.

Mary wasn't sinless but the seed that produces a child is in man and not in the woman. Since Jesus wasn't born through the agency of the sperm in man, he was sinless. And that was why he was the only person qualified to take away the sins of the world.

1. If the sperm is the seed, what is the egg from the woman? This is the start of men dominating women. Lol
2. Have you heard of cloning? Do you need sperm or egg?

3. Since angel or some fallen host of heaven came to this world to sleep with women, how did they appear? From the sperm or egg of human beings?

Under the Old Testament, the Jews were instructed to always sacrifice a lamb without blemish which was a symbol of sinlessness.

Eze 46:13 Thou shalt daily prepare a burnt
offering unto the LORD of a lamb of the first year without blemish: thou shalt prepare it every morning.

Our Lord Jesus was also described as a lamb without blemish.

1Pe 1:19 But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:

I agree that a non blemish blood was needed, but the question is that: was it ONLY Jesus' blood that was without blemish?

Oga, science explains more to me. The way cloning opened my eyes to the craps about sperms to justify what is not there is great. Some people just explained rubbish that is not in the Bible, and dummies followed them. But science is bursting many lies snd deceits.

Ken4Christ:


The host of heavens are angelic beings and angels can't die for mankind because they are not in the same class. Besides, angels don't have redemption. They are not a free moral being. So, when angel sins, they are immediately judged and doom for damnation.

Mary wasn't sinless but the seed that produces a child is in man and not in the woman. Since Jesus wasn't born through the agency of the sperm in man, he was sinless. And that was why he was the only person qualified to take away the sins of the world.

Under the Old Testament, the Jews were instructed to always sacrifice a lamb without blemish which was a symbol of sinlessness.

Eze 46:13 Thou shalt daily prepare a burnt
offering unto the LORD of a lamb of the first year without blemish: thou shalt prepare it every morning.

Our Lord Jesus was also described as a lamb without blemish.

1Pe 1:19 But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:

Perfect answer.

Pistotita:

Do not go to the law now. You keep saying the law which we will get to later. I understand more as I grow up. But first, answer the questions I put forward. Prove that Jesus' blood was the ONLY qualified one.


Oga, stop beating your chest with 100% certainty with no proof. I have asked you more questions...get to work and answer me. Leave these statements and focus on answering the questions. I do not know it all too, so I do not beat my chest with 100% assurance.

The reason athiests mock religious people is that religious people do not understand what they say. They just follow blindly. Prove that Jesus' blood was the ONLY qualified blood since you agreed that not all angels are sinful (there are sinless angels), and a sinless blood is needed for human salvation.

Which proof do you need again, I have shown you bible verses that shows that only God is perfect and sinless that means Angels are not. or are you saying that Angels are as Holy and perfect like God?

In the book of Revelation I showed you that no Angel was found worthy to take the book from him that sat on the throne (God) except the Lamb of God who is Jesus.

Is it difficult for you to understand or see the answer to your question in it?

Pistotita:

Do not go to the law now. You keep saying the law which we will get to later. I understand more as I grow up. But first, answer the questions I put forward. Prove that Jesus' blood was the ONLY qualified one.


Oga, stop beating your chest with 100% certainty with no proof. I have asked you more questions...get to work and answer me. Leave these statements and focus on answering the questions. I do not know it all too, so I do not beat my chest with 100% assurance.

The reason athiests mock religious people is that religious people do not understand what they say. They just follow blindly. Prove that Jesus' blood was the ONLY qualified blood since you agreed that not all angels are sinful (there are sinless angels), and a sinless blood is needed for human salvation.

The atheists you are referring to, how many of their own points and beliefs have they been able to prove?

Pistotita:


I have no problem with your church serving on Saturdays, but it seems you are exactly like those who condemned you. Why condemned the catholic for choosing Sundays? Who told you that most pentecosts and protestants followed catholics? You are just like them. And I am sick of this irrelevancies and unnecessary debates.

Ok. Your opponents will crush you with the following verses:


Mark 16.9
Now after He had risen early on the first day of the week, He first appeared to Mary Magdalene, from whom He had cast out seven demons.

John 20:1-2
Now on the first day of the week Mary Magdalene came early to the tomb, while it was still dark, and saw the stone already taken away from the tomb. So she ran and came to Simon Peter and to the other disciple whom Jesus loved, and said to them, "They have taken away the Lord out of the tomb, and we do not know where they have laid Him."

Matthew 28:1
Now after the Sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, Mary Magdalene and the other Mary came to look at the grave.

Mark 16:1-2
When the Sabbath was over, Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James, and Salome, bought spices, so that they might come and anoint Him. Very early on the first day of the week, they came to the tomb when the sun had risen.

Acts 20:7
On the first day of the week, when we were gathered together to break bread, Paul began talking to them, intending to leave the next day, and he prolonged his message until midnight.

1 Corinthians 16:1-2
Now concerning the collection for the saints, as I directed the churches of Galatia, so do you also. On the first day of every week each one of you is to put aside and save, as he may prosper, so that no collections be made when I come.


Revelation 1:10
I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, and I heard behind me a loud voice like the sound of a trumpet,


Leviticus 23:11
'He shall wave the sheaf before the LORD for you to be accepted; on the day after the sabbath the priest shall wave it.

Mark 16:1
When the Sabbath was over, Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James, and Salome, bought spices, so that they might come and anoint Him.

Mark 16:2
Very early on the first day of the week, they came to the tomb when the sun had risen.

John 20:19
So when it was evening on that day, the first day of the week, and when the doors were shut where the disciples were, for fear of the Jews, Jesus came and stood in their midst and said to them, "Peace be with you."

Luke 24:1
But on the first day of the week, at early dawn, they came to the tomb bringing the spices which they had prepared.

John 20:1
Now on the first day of the week Mary Magdalene came early to the tomb, while it was still dark, and saw the stone already taken away from the tomb.


1 Corinthians 16:2
On the first day of every week each one of you is to put aside and save, as he may prosper, so that no collections be made when I come.

Please, did you read about catholic here? So, why blame catholic? You choose to worship on Saturdays ...fine. They choose to worship on Sundays....fine.


Please, answer this question. It is very vital. Do not ignore it.

Will worshipping on Sundays make one lose heaven?

I never condemned anyone in my post, if I did you can highlight it.

The irony is that the verses you posted to support Sunday Worship are even given to proof that those mentioned there rested and worshipped on the sabbath day and worked on Sunday because it was not the rest day.
example.
Mark 16:1
When the Sabbath was over, Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James, and Salome, bought spices, so that they might come and anoint Him

Why did Mary wait till the end of the sabbath?

God would not cast anyone who ignorantly worshipped on Sunday to Hell, the bible says God pardons in time of ignorance but is calling people to the knowledge of truth, and that is the purpose of this post.


Acts 17:30.
And the times of this ignorance God overlooked;
but now commands all men everywhere to
repent:

also remember that in the old testament people were stoned to death for breaking the sabbath day what God called sin 5000yrs ago he still sees it as sin now because he does not change.

A time will come when the truth will be totally revealed and it will be up to us to choose who we will serve , weather God on his appointed day of rest (the sabbath) or on man and devil appointed day.

Pistotita:

My question is not that you prove Jesus is without sin. I want you to prove that Jesus is the ONLY one without sin according to christians. Well, you have stated the single criterion needed which is blameless. Are you still saying only Jesus was blameless in the eyes of God?

The issue of God's level of holiness does not come in here yet. Remember you mentioned "law". Or do you want me to prove that God does not stand sin in any form? Bible makes me believe God cannot stand any appearance of sin. If all His angels were sinful, do you think some will still be there? Are you saying Michael and Gabriel are also sinful? I want to believe it is your assumption or doctrine that all angels are sinful.



Paul mentioned about 3rd heaven (many Bible scholars believe he was the man) 2. Cor 12.2. There was 7 heavens reference in the Bible too. God resides in heaven (the holiest) and not in the heavens. Singular vs plural. When you study this subject well, you understand there are sinful heavens.

Also, the person who made this statement also tried to portray God bad to Job. This person did not know God. I believe reading the whole chapter will show you that it was the personal opinion of someone who doubted God. However, he might be right simply because he used plural instead of singular to describe the places (not the place where God resides).


God is not too difficult to understand. If He does not trust anyone, He cannot entrust him with keeping His throne secured (according to what the Bible makes me believe). Also, the Bible makes me believe the slightest sin cannot come close to Him. Yet the Bible recorded beings, spirits and elders worshipping Him in many verses. Are these people sinful also? Hmmmmm! Yet, we are told that not a spot of sinnis foindnclose to Him. Or did Jesus die for these beings too?

This statement is also from soneone who is doubtful about God. And most translation used the conditional statement..... if.... Please, check other translations.

Also remember that this statement might be explained that God does not place His confidence in His angles because some rebelled against Him. Of course Lucifer used to serve Him too accordimg to the Bible. Here we were told that God does not put trust in His servants, and not in ALL His servants.



Now you have mixed it up. My question is before Jesus' death. So I asked, was it ONLY Jesus whose blood was qualified?


Remember that he after ressurection the Bible says His name was lifted far above all other names. This was where Jesus earned it. This was the reward.



I did not asked you to prove if Jesus was with sin or not.


NOTE:
Jesus'name was lifted above all other names after ressurection.

Like I said before no angel can compare his Holiness or righteousness to that of God.
besides Angels are created beings they do not have immortality, which only God and Christ has.
they could not offer what they do not have and that is eternally life.