veeshock:
Christianity is following after the life and teachings of Jesus Christ, hence the name "Christ-ian". May God help us.

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CHRISTIANITY ALSO MAKE USE OF THE BIBLE. EVERYTHING CONTAINED ON THIS THREAD WAS CULLED FROM THE HOLY BIBLE, THE WORD OF THE CHRISTIAN GOD (ALSO JESUS).

veeshock:
Christianity is following after the life and teachings of Jesus Christ, hence the name "Christ-ian". May God help us.

veeshock:
Christianity is following after the life and teachings of Jesus Christ, hence the name "Christ-ian". May God help us.

hakeem4:
Even if it is the new testament you follow. The evil of the New testaments exceeds that of the old testament. It is not possible to discard the old testament from the Christians life. Some books in the old testament like Isaiah, job etc. All predicted the initial birth of the messiah ( Christians own god) where Isaiah said the a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son. I have pointed out how the old testaments and new testaments converge. Now most stories of the supposed Jesus christ are Apocrypha. They were purportedly written years after he died.

The New testament blames the jew for the death of Jesus Christ, which implies that it is Anti-semitic, Which is immoral.

You remember this verse from the bible he that is without sin among you, let him cast the first stone. How then does Jesus expect an imperfect society like ours to persecute offenders?

Vicarious redemption is also very immoral

veeshock:


2 Timothy 3:16 says "All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness"
2 Cor 3:6 says "Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life."

I didnt say we discard the old testament, its you who do not understand christianity, the verses above summarizes the purpose of The Bible...for moral correction...the sodomites who raped lots daughter were destroyed, they wanted to rape the men who visited Lot, but he stopped them and gave his own daughter as a sacrifice not as a permission as you want to lie to yourself.
Thank God you've helped yourself with "he who is without sin should cast the first stone", and you think it is proper for thieves and lairs to stone an adulteress to death just because her sin is different
We all have sinned in one way or the other, what we should be doing is soul searching and correcting others with love when we can. Same thing applies to the mass murders and all that you point out in the old testament. One of the ten commands is "thou shall not kill", if you are guilty of one sin you are equally guilty as anyone else, there is nothing like partial holiness, one is either holy or not, its simple as white and black. In the old testament thieves would stone a blasphemer to death, that is hypocrisy which Jesus Christ corrected telling us following everything word for word is wrong.

veeshock:
...the sodomites who raped lots daughter were destroyed, they wanted to rape the men who visited Lot, but he stopped them and gave his own daughter as a sacrifice not as a permission as you want to lie to yourself.

hakeem4:

Well, everything you said is pure sophistry.
when I meant that statement @ bolded. I was talking about the justice system. Yes, we are imperfect, but the context goes thus
The real thing is, by both calling for forgiveness and punishment in different places, the bible is useful for people just to cherrypick or choose from in a time when it suits them.

The reason you do not follow the law is that theology evolved to rationalize removing the inconvenience of it all.

TrajansKong:

Read that back to yourself.

Pure evil nonsense. Are you a parent?

MJBOLT:

typical nigerian christian,when an atheist points out the evils in the bible,he starts to deny the old testament but will use the same old testament to condemn the sins of other people.

TheSourcerer:
You all are going to hell fire , especially you life enjoying Atheists , you cannot make it pass Angel Michael gates , Fvcking Sinners!

TheSourcerer:
You all are going to hell fire , especially you life enjoying Atheists , you cannot make it pass Angel Michael gates , Fvcking Sinners!

veeshock:

And who said there are no evil in the Bible? The problem is most of you do not read to understand but to condemn, you pick a single passage and go about making so much noise about it. How well do you understand? In the book of Genesis God asked man not to eat of the forbidden fruit orelse he would die, and man ate the fruit who killed him? What I know is The Bible was given by inspiration and not dictation. sic.

MJBOLT:

keep quiet mr bible scholar,show us where god condemn rape and slavery in the bible.dont come and cherry pick what suits you,your god is a rapist and a slave master.

veeshock:

My posts here are simple and clear and you still do not understand...

veeshock:

What justice system do you mean exactly? State laws? Or religious laws? Even states are shying away from execution/capital punishment. Anyway we are talking about morality and hypocrisy here, there is nothing new, Jesus Christ taught us Love is the supreme command, not following the words religiously, using that he who is wothout a sin should cast the first stone, another example is doing work on the sabbath, if you see someone dying say a tree fell on his house and collapsed on him on a sabbath would you walk past and leave him to die because it is a sabbath?? Or of washing hands before eating, what makes one a sinner is not what he eats but what he does to his fellow man and to God. Love your neighbour as yourself, love The Lord your God with all your heart and all your strength are the two laws from which others are drawn.
We are not cherry picking, but commanded to live in love for one another, thats the aim of all the laws you can possibly think of.

hakeem4:
Throughout last week ( ending of may 2020), I’ve been reading a lot of unpleasant news like that of the death of George Floyd, the massacre going that took place in sokoto and kaduna, racism going on in the western world, a 12 year old girl raped by 11 mean and the latest case which is the rape and murder of uwa in benin.

I was reading a lot of comments from believers condemning all these actions and it just occurred to me [B] you can’t believe in any of the monotheistic god’s and condemn most of these atrocities [/b]

Rape
Going through the Bible and Quran you’d see verses supporting and encouraging rape.
* Lot gives his daughters over to a mob to be raped. Lot is described as the only good man in Sodom.
* Multiple cases of women being sold, by their fathers, to other men, sometimes as wives, sometimes as concubines, often under protest.
* we know the Quran allows sex slave and allows the men to marry underage girls

Genocide and racism
We all know how the bible and Quran supports violence and allows mass murdering of a any tribe that doesn’t support or believe in the idea of their god Even some of New Testament writing were against the gentiles

Slavery
The acclaimed Books of Moses ( Genesis- Deuteronomy) are all riddled with various verses of how believers should treat and enslave people. The Quran is not exempted from this atrocity either.


The bone of contention. The issue i am having is that these pious people seem to contradict themselves and go against the moral instruction given to them by their totalitarian heavenly dictator. Is it not humbug to hate homosexuals because your holy book suggests you do. But don’t accept the atrocities even when the heavenly dictator gives you the permission to carry on those evil

Some Christians might say it was in the Old Testament. Then I would ask why do you cherry pick which moral instruction is good and which is wrong. Also if you can discard parts of your holy book away, why don’t you just throw everything away and let’s make moral codes based on secular humanism (because that’s where our morals come from #fact)

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hakeem4:
everything you said up here is just casuistry. This statement "he without sin " already tampers with our justice system. So are you saying CONVICTED mass murderers, rapist perjurer etc should not be punished according to our laws because we too have committed a crime. This is another reason why i would not like to stay in a theocratic nation.

TrajansKong:


There is no clarity whatsoever. You haven't offered a single line of scripture to counter the points MJBOLT raised.

Not one.

veeshock:

I wonder why you are trying to mix religion and politics, even the Bible did not, check Matt 19:8, in other passages there are some who forbid taking alcohol, and Jesus said give to Ceasar what is Ceasar's. There are state laws which should be obeyed offcourse, and there are laws which should guide our spiritual lives, these are different.

hakeem4:

You remember this verse from the bible he that is without sin among you, let him cast the first stone. How then does Jesus expect an imperfect society like ours to persecute offenders?

Vicarious redemption is also very immoral

veeshock:

And who said there are no evil in the Bible? The problem is most of you do not read to understand but to condemn.

veeshock:

Im sorry if you are not understanding
...all scriptures were given by INSPIRATION,(not by dictation) for correction, instruction....the purspose of all you can point in the Bible is for correction, instruction...thats the summary of it all. All those who did "wrong" are made to pay for it...
..the letter killeth...following everything word for word is wrong, even the so-called evil you like to point out...
...he who is without a sin should cast the first stone...God Almighty alone is the Only One who can Judge because He alone sees and knows all our actions
...love your neighbour as you love yourself, Love The Lord God with all your strength and heart...these are the simple commands we should live by.