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Uk Pm: Multiculturalism Has Failed by Kobojunkie: 12:20am On Feb 06, 2011
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David Cameron says 'state multiculturalism' has failed and left young Muslims vulnerable to radicalisation.

David Cameron said it was time to replace Britain's 'passive tolerance' with an 'active, muscular liberalism' [EPA]

"State multiculturalism" has failed and left young Muslims vulnerable to radicalisation, David Cameron, the British prime minister, has said, arguing for a more active policy to heal divisions and promote Western values.

Cameron, in a speech to a security conference in Munich on Saturday, said that Britain and other European nations needed to "wake up to what is happening in our countries" as well as tackling terrorism through military operations overseas.

"Under the doctrine of state multiculturalism, we have encouraged different cultures to live separate lives, apart from each other and the mainstream," Cameron said.

"We have failed to provide a vision of society to which they feel they want to belong ,  all this leaves some young Muslims feeling rootless.

"We've even tolerated these segregated communities behaving in ways that run completely counter to our values.

"It is time to turn the page on the failed policies of the past."

His comments echo those made by Angela Merkel, the German chancellor, last year and reflect a push by many European governments to try to better integrate immigrants, given persistent domestic tensions between different cultures.

'Muscular liberalism'

Cameron denied that cuts to defence spending as part of efforts to tackle a record budget deficit mean that Britain is retreating from an "activist" global role.

"That is the complete reversal of the truth," he said. "Yes, we are dealing with the deficit, but we are also making sure our defences are strong."

Aides say his comments on multiculturalism and radicalisation help give a sense of future policy, but it remains unclear how the ruling Conservative-Liberal Democrat coalition intend to turn such a vision into a reality.

Critics point out that Western foreign policy in the Middle East and beyond, not just a clash of cultures at home, has played a big part in stirring up anti-Western sentiment.

Some members of Cameron's Conservative party, activists in right-wing movements and some voters believe that Britain has become a safe haven for people with anti-Western political views.

Others argue this tolerant approach is the lifeblood of any open and thriving democracy, fearing a crackdown on civil liberties would undermine the kind of society the government is seeking to establish.

Cameron said it was time to replace Britain's "passive tolerance" with an "active, muscular liberalism" to send a message that life in Britain revolves around certain key values such as freedom of speech, equal rights and the rule of law.

"A passively tolerant society ,  stands neutral between different values," he said.

"A genuinely liberal country does much more. It believes in certain values and actively promotes them."


http://english.aljazeera.net/news/europe/2011/02/2011255620810460.html
Re: Uk Pm: Multiculturalism Has Failed by Kobojunkie: 12:20am On Feb 06, 2011
Finally!!
Re: Uk Pm: Multiculturalism Has Failed by fstranger6: 2:19am On Feb 07, 2011
Finally what?

That people like you should never have been allowed in thier country anyway?
Re: Uk Pm: Multiculturalism Has Failed by montelik(m): 8:56am On Feb 07, 2011
David Cameron is looking for trouble oh. grin grin
Re: Uk Pm: Multiculturalism Has Failed by Kobojunkie: 7:57pm On Feb 07, 2011
He is right though!
Re: Uk Pm: Multiculturalism Has Failed by morpheus24: 9:04pm On Feb 07, 2011
Kobojunkie:

He is right though!
But he's not going to do anything about it. The UK is on a regressive scale as far as population growth indexes. If you look at indices of the average ages in the year 2020-2030 britain will not be able to sustain all its systems because of a regressing number of young able bodied persons,
the United states is in the same boat and Japan is worse still. Only China, India and Africa are set to contain the largest pool of this particualr demographic.

Unless he can find an alternate solution to altering these statistics, (ofcourse that requires finding or grooming non muslim, white people who will repopulate and make up the bulk of people he considers with these values) He will make all kinds of noise for Political points but he aint gonna do much about it. Do you think it is a coincidence that Britain and America still have very loose immigration policies.

You think say green card lottery na for play.
Re: Uk Pm: Multiculturalism Has Failed by Tsiya(m): 10:32pm On Feb 08, 2011
Multiculturalism has not fail. They are just being anti-labour.

What they have is what multiculturalism is all about. They had only one culture, and they wanted more cultures, now they had more cultures. People doing things different from what they are used to. Eating different food, Different restaurants, Wearing different cloths, going to mosques, doing things different from what the English are used. This is multiculturalism. If the immigrants integrated and start adopting the culture of the people then it is not multiculturalism.
Re: Uk Pm: Multiculturalism Has Failed by Kobojunkie: 1:15pm On Feb 10, 2011
Tsiya:

Multiculturalism has not fail. They are just being anti-labour.

What they have is what multiculturalism is all about. They had only one culture, and they wanted more cultures, now they had more cultures. People doing things different from what they are used to. Eating different food, Different restaurants, Wearing different cloths, going to mosques, doing things different from what the English are used. This is multiculturalism. If the immigrants integrated and start adopting the culture of the people then it is not multiculturalism.

[size=13pt]"State multiculturalism" has failed and left young Muslims vulnerable to radicalisation, David Cameron, the British prime minister, has said, arguing for a more active policy to heal divisions and promote Western values.[/size]

Cameron, in a speech to a security conference in Munich on Saturday, said that Britain and other European nations needed to "wake up to what is happening in our countries" as well as tackling terrorism through military operations overseas.

[size=13pt]"Under the doctrine of state multiculturalism, we have encouraged different cultures to live separate lives, apart from each other and the mainstream," [/size][/b]Cameron said.

"We have failed to provide a vision of society to which they feel they want to belong , all this leaves some young Muslims feeling rootless.

[b][size=13pt]"We've even tolerated these segregated communities behaving in ways that run completely counter to our values[/size]
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I don't see how you can conclude that multiculturalism is not a problem.
Re: Uk Pm: Multiculturalism Has Failed by Tsiya(m): 8:15pm On Feb 10, 2011
Kobojunkie:

I don't see how you can conclude that multiculturalism is not a problem.

I didn't say multiculturalism is not a problem. What I tried to say, is that multiculturalism hasn't fail. This is what multiculturalism is all about. You don't expect to bring peole from different cultures and expect them to just rapidly integrate with the community. Multiculturalism is about having multiple cultures not different races one culture.

The british had a very depressing culture of individual isolation. There is nothing the new migrants can do, but rather form their own community

What he should have argued is the concept of multiculturalism is not ideal for their society where they want a homogenous culture.
Re: Uk Pm: Multiculturalism Has Failed by Mariory(m): 8:58pm On Feb 10, 2011
Tsiya:

What he should have argued is the concept of multiculturalism is not ideal for their society where they want a homogenous culture.

This is exactly what he was saying. Multiculturalism has failed (has failed to work) in Britain.
Re: Uk Pm: Multiculturalism Has Failed by montelik(m): 9:22pm On Feb 11, 2011
Angela Merkel had already made this point last year.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2010/10/16/us-germany-merkel-immigration-idUSTRE69F1K320101016

Now its seems other European leaders are in agreement with her. Such as Nikolas Sarkozy
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20110210/wl_afp/francepoliticsimmigrationsociety_20110210231042
Re: Uk Pm: Multiculturalism Has Failed by shotster50(m): 1:07am On Feb 12, 2011
On the face of it Labour's Multiculturalism has not beeen anywhere near as good as the hype. A large section of the Asian community carry on as if to say that their Cultural/Religious beliefs supercedes that of their adopted homeland. Cameron is right in asserting that but his motivation are a bit suspect,  perharps it is the usual Labour bashing,
Bearing in mind Cameron's track record ,  I think he is merely saying the right thing with little or no action thereafter.
Re: Uk Pm: Multiculturalism Has Failed by MandingoII(m): 11:21pm On Feb 13, 2011
I don't see how you can conclude that multiculturalism is not a problem.

Either you are COMPLETELY STUPID or you believe that YOUR CULTURE and everybody else's is inferior to whitness.

you are SUPPOSE to hang onto YOUR culture while at the SAME TIME adapt to the culture of your new home.

it is called being Bi-Cultural.

In which these people ARE.

To give up EVERYTHING about you to be absorbed into a culture THAT DO NOT RESPECT YOU ANYWAY is foolish. you will always carry that accent. AND MORE IMPORTANTLY, They (the white people) will continusously let you KNOW that you are an OUTSIDER.

ALWAYS DO YOU & YOUR CULTURE.
Re: Uk Pm: Multiculturalism Has Failed by Kobojunkie: 3:18am On Feb 14, 2011
MandingoII:

Either you are COMPLETELY silly or you believe that YOUR CULTURE and everybody else's is inferior to whitness.

you are SUPPOSE to hang onto YOUR culture while at the SAME TIME adapt to the culture of your new home.

it is called being Bi-Cultural.

In which these people ARE.

To give up EVERYTHING about you to be absorbed into a culture THAT DO NOT RESPECT YOU ANYWAY is foolish.  you will always carry that accent.  AND MORE IMPORTANTLY, They (the white people) will continusously let you KNOW that you are an OUTSIDER.

ALWAYS DO YOU & YOUR CULTURE.

You have no clue what the application of the word in this context refers to, do you  undecided undecided

shotster50:

On the face of it Labour's Multiculturalism has not beeen anywhere near as good as the hype. A large section of the Asian community carry on as if to say that their Cultural/Religious beliefs supercedes that of their adopted homeland. Cameron is right in asserting that but his motivation are a bit suspect, Is this the usual Labour bashing Bearing in mind Cameron's track record , I think he is merely saying the right thing with little or no action thereafter.

I hope not!
Re: Uk Pm: Multiculturalism Has Failed by shotster50(m): 2:31am On Feb 15, 2011
Kobojunkie:



I hope not!

So do I but sadly Dave is all talk and very little action.
Re: Uk Pm: Multiculturalism Has Failed by DavePeters: 12:20am On Feb 22, 2011
Multiculturalism hasn't failed. Multiracialism hasn't failed. The problem is the influence of "religious authority" ,  both imported and local. It's become a case of 'Our God is better than your God! Our God is better than your God!'

God is love ,  anything else is not of God.

All religious books are works of man ,  containing 'Wisdom and Right thinking' ,  but also, often in the very next sentence ,  words long ago implanted by politically devious minds that have caused much suffering through the ages.

All cultures need to re-evaluate their 'Sacred literature' ,  so that the races and cultures of our planet can live, work, and play together as the human beings we are.

Time is short ,

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