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We Igbos Are Falling Into Intellectual Stagnation by Ikengawo: 8:25pm On Feb 12, 2011
For a people once infinite in intellectual endowment, i've come to see the shadow of Biafra has left us stagnate.
Our people, once the origin of nearly all of Africa's new ideas, cannot even address the problems that face us without blanking 'Biafra' as a solution.

We were the ones that in all reality liberated Nigeria from the British and asked the 3 tribes to stay united, but we act as if we're less Nigerian, or Nigeria is less ours then anyone else's then quickly wonder why we're politically irrelevant.

We pioneered this continent time and time again, and now we can't see and issue that everyone else is solving for themselves with real solutions without a lost multitude scream biafra and blaming all our problems, which we created ourselves, on 'marginalization' and speaking of succession.
We seem to have totally lost focus due to a lack of real ideas.


when someone speaks of corruption we speak of seperation as opposed to a solution
when someone speaks of kidnapping we speak of seperation

any problem that afflicts us, the failed idea of seperation from a nation we built is instantly blurted as a solution and real discourse and problem solving is not achieved. When did the most capable people on planet earth become perpetual victims?
Re: We Igbos Are Falling Into Intellectual Stagnation by seanet02: 8:30pm On Feb 12, 2011
The very first ibo that speaks the truth. Yes you really lack real ideas.
Re: We Igbos Are Falling Into Intellectual Stagnation by aljharem(m): 8:33pm On Feb 12, 2011
Ikengawo:

For a people once infinite in intellectual endowment, i've come to see the shadow of Biafra has left us stagnate.
Our people, once the origin of nearly all of Africa's new ideas, cannot even address the problems that face us without blanking 'Biafra' as a solution.

We were the ones that in all reality liberated Nigeria from the British and asked the 3 tribes to stay united, but we act as if we're less Nigerian, or Nigeria is less ours then anyone else's then quickly wonder why we're politically irrelevant.

We pioneered this continent time and time again, and now we can't see and issue that everyone else is solving for themselves with real solutions without a lost multitude scream biafra and blaming all our problems, which we created ourselves, on 'marginalization' and speaking of succession.
We seem to have totally lost focus due to a lack of real ideas.


when someone speaks of corruption we speak of seperation as opposed to a solution
when someone speaks of kidnapping we speak of seperation

any problem that afflicts us, the failed idea of seperation from a nation we built is instantly blurted as a solution and real discourse and problem solving is not achieved. When did the most capable people on planet earth become perpetual victims?

thank you, may your wisdom keep growning among the other ideeiots
seanet02:

The very first ibo that speaks the truth. Yes you really lack real ideas.


why do you have to say that mumu angry
Re: We Igbos Are Falling Into Intellectual Stagnation by Mobinga: 8:36pm On Feb 12, 2011
An absolutely pointless thread. Intellectual stagnation?

You ask for a solution to kidnapping? --- Employment
You ask for a solution to corruption? --- Strict laws that allows slaughter of corrupt officials.
Re: We Igbos Are Falling Into Intellectual Stagnation by udezue(m): 8:44pm On Feb 12, 2011
Another dumb thread by Ike-nkakwu. What are ur solutions? The people of Eritrea, South Sudan all faced similar issues and to them a nation of their own was their choice not how to rule over Africa. If Igbos and their neighbors are no longer interested in the Nigeria project then so be it. Intellectual stagnation? Dude u are intellectually daft.
Re: We Igbos Are Falling Into Intellectual Stagnation by Obiagu1(m): 8:57pm On Feb 12, 2011
Ikengawo:

For a people once infinite in intellectual endowment, i've come to see the shadow of Biafra has left us stagnate.
Our people, once the origin of nearly all of Africa's new ideas, cannot even address the problems that face us without blanking 'Biafra' as a solution.

We were the ones that in all reality liberated Nigeria from the British and asked the 3 tribes to stay united, but we act as if we're less Nigerian, or Nigeria is less ours then anyone else's then quickly wonder why we're politically irrelevant.

We pioneered this continent time and time again, and now we can't see and issue that everyone else is solving for themselves with real solutions without a lost multitude scream biafra and blaming all our problems, which we created ourselves, on 'marginalization' and speaking of succession.
We seem to have totally lost focus due to a lack of real ideas.


when someone speaks of corruption we speak of seperation as opposed to a solution
when someone speaks of kidnapping we speak of seperation

any problem that afflicts us, the failed idea of seperation from a nation we built is instantly blurted as a solution and real discourse and problem solving is not achieved. When did the most capable people on planet earth become perpetual victims?

When you understand how politics works and how tribalism has hindered the progress of this country, then you'll realize why we call for Biafra.
Every country that makes progress has solid policies in  place but in Nigeria, policies are highly tribalized. At the end of the day, we remain stagnant.

As you get older, you'll understand that the only solution to realize our full potentials as Igbos is to have some freedom. A freedom that'll enable us dictate the direction we want to go and how we approach issues. In Nigeria? Forget it, you'll grow grey hair and nothing will change.
Re: We Igbos Are Falling Into Intellectual Stagnation by ShangoThor(m): 9:01pm On Feb 12, 2011
Ikengawo:

For a people once infinite in intellectual endowment, i've come to see the shadow of Biafra has left us stagnate.
Our people, once the origin of nearly all of Africa's new ideas, cannot even address the problems that face us without blanking 'Biafra' as a solution.

We were the ones that in all reality liberated Nigeria from the British and asked the 3 tribes to stay united, but we act as if we're less Nigerian, or Nigeria is less ours then anyone else's then quickly wonder why we're politically irrelevant.

We pioneered this continent time and time again, and now we can't see and issue that everyone else is solving for themselves with real solutions without a lost multitude scream biafra and blaming all our problems, which we created ourselves, on 'marginalization' and speaking of succession.
We seem to have totally lost focus due to a lack of real ideas.


when someone speaks of corruption we speak of seperation as opposed to a solution
when someone speaks of kidnapping we speak of seperation

any problem that afflicts us, the failed idea of seperation from a nation we built is instantly blurted as a solution and real discourse and problem solving is not achieved. When did the most capable people on planet earth become perpetual victims?

Seriously, I have often wondered why a political Party was not formed to espouse the ambitions of the creation of the Biafran State or the movement for secession. Surely, that would put the argument to rest, once and for all.

The Northern Irish did it with Sinn Fein, so why not the Igbo. You’d be able to campaign, would have to list a manifesto and be part of the Political process and gauge how much support there is.

Is there anybody that can shed light on this?
Re: We Igbos Are Falling Into Intellectual Stagnation by Mobinga: 9:10pm On Feb 12, 2011
Did you smoke? What is MASSOB for?
Re: We Igbos Are Falling Into Intellectual Stagnation by ShangoThor(m): 9:12pm On Feb 12, 2011
Mobinga:

Did you smoke? What is MASSOB for?

Yes, but did MASSOB field candidates in elections?
Re: We Igbos Are Falling Into Intellectual Stagnation by Mobinga: 9:19pm On Feb 12, 2011
Oh. That's what you mean. No.
That would have been a waste of funds and energy.
Re: We Igbos Are Falling Into Intellectual Stagnation by ShangoThor(m): 9:28pm On Feb 12, 2011
LOL, NL is a funny Forum, you have all these people pretending that they absolutely understand complex issues when they don’t, their first instinct is to insult, or exclude things they are uncomfortable with. Wow for reasoning! ! !

The moment individuals or groups lose objectivity and are not interested in learning how to accomplish goals, all that would be evident is “HOT AIR”
Re: We Igbos Are Falling Into Intellectual Stagnation by udezue(m): 9:35pm On Feb 12, 2011
What MASSOB can do is copy Hamas and engage more in charities, like they just did with Biafra veterans but they should also do the same with regular masses. Let the masses see what they gain by supporting MASSOB not just Biafra idea. They should start infiltrating political parties in the East.
Re: We Igbos Are Falling Into Intellectual Stagnation by Abagworo(m): 9:38pm On Feb 12, 2011
@poster.I don't get your point.Igbo area is way ahead of other parts of Nigeria.The only exception is Government presence.

As for Biafra,I doubt if most Igbos are really interested.If they really are MASSOB would have had up to 10 million members.
Re: We Igbos Are Falling Into Intellectual Stagnation by Mobinga: 9:43pm On Feb 12, 2011
ShangoThor:

LOL, NL is a funny Forum, you have all these people pretending that they absolutely understand complex issues when they don’t, their first instinct is to insult, or exclude things they are uncomfortable with. Wow for reasoning! ! !

The moment individuals or groups lose objectivity and are not interested in learning how to accomplish goals, all that would be evident is “HOT AIR”


Why are you blabbing? You act like you are new in Nigeria. Are you a full blown Nigerian or a Nigerian living in the comfort of your British/American home?
Re: We Igbos Are Falling Into Intellectual Stagnation by excanny: 9:49pm On Feb 12, 2011
Ikengawo:

Our people, once the origin of nearly all of Africa's new ideas, cannot even address the problems that face us[b] without blanking 'Biafra' as a solution.[/b]

I do not think that this is always true. Igbos have managed to bounce back after they lost all in the civil war. One problem that often bring up Biafra is lack of federal presence in Igboland. That had been addressed by Igbos by migrating to places where such facilities are located within the country. Nothing wrong with Igbo nationalism in my opinion(you might call it Biafra), we need to prepare to exist as a people in case this union fails.



We were the ones that in all reality liberated Nigeria from the British and asked the 3 tribes to stay united, but we act as if we're less Nigerian, or Nigeria is less ours then anyone else's then quickly wonder why we're politically irrelevant.

Quite true. Igbos need to work on this. But really Igbos are not politically irrelevant, only we are not so strong politically, either due to some conspiracy or we lack politicians who have a burning love for their people.

We pioneered this continent time and time again, and now we can't see and issue that everyone else is solving for themselves with real solutions without a lost multitude scream biafra and blaming all our problems, which we created ourselves, on 'marginalization' and speaking of succession.
We seem to have totally lost focus due to a lack of real ideas.

Not true.


when someone speaks of corruption we speak of seperation as opposed to a solution
when someone speaks of kidnapping we speak of seperation

any problem that afflicts us, the failed idea of seperation from a nation we built is instantly blurted as a solution and real discourse and problem solving is not achieved. When did the most capable people on planet earth become perpetual victims?

I do not think you are right on this one. No one speaks of seperation when corruption or kidnapping is discussed. Like I mentioned before, the 'victim' feeling might still be lingering if Igbos remain politically impotent for a long time in a democratic setting, because of the positions that were held in pre-civil war era. Then we'll know whether our politicians are not-so-smart or there's some kind of conspiracy going on.
Re: We Igbos Are Falling Into Intellectual Stagnation by ShangoThor(m): 9:52pm On Feb 12, 2011
Mobinga:

Why are you blabbing? You act like you are new in Nigeria. Are you a full blown Nigerian or a Nigerian living in the comfort of your British/American home?

Seriously Mobinga,

read my first post, it was a question, and the first thing you did was insult me, it seems like you're the one that has been puffing on a blunt,
take out your aggression somewhere else.
Re: We Igbos Are Falling Into Intellectual Stagnation by udezue(m): 10:02pm On Feb 12, 2011
If we have autonomy there will no talk about Biafra. The fact that Nigeria tries so hard to deny and cover up Biafra is a reason why young people are interested in it. The govt and the ppl keep giving us a reason to want Biafra. We need self-sufficiency like the Kurds of Iraq got it.
Re: We Igbos Are Falling Into Intellectual Stagnation by matazzmagi(m): 3:47am On Feb 13, 2011
@POSTER

We demand for biafra because nigeria is a genocide state, The lies against the innocent can no more hold.The unrepentant guilty shall not go free. You love the oppression of the innocent it is your type that will support a criminal government that will frame treason against people exercising their fundamental human rights and have them hanged. And the sorry addendum to your skewed rationality is that Africa can progress without respect for human rights and freedom.your claims are totally unfounded lies. Why don't dwell on an intelligent discussion?when igbos were getting killed in the north and south/west nigeria in 1966/67 not only that, none of them got the same treatment in eastern- region. Every nation's experience is difficult and peculiar. Nigeria's "unity" has cost 4 million lives and more. Your concept of unity may be Jos and Bornu killings which go on on a daily basis. Your idea of unity may be the conflict in the Niger Delta. Your concept of unity may be the persistent massacre of innocent Igbos; the exploitation, oppression and denial of peoples' rights but for the civilized, it is not.
Re: We Igbos Are Falling Into Intellectual Stagnation by matazzmagi(m): 3:50am On Feb 13, 2011
@POSTER

We demand for biafra because nigeria is a genocide state, The lies against the innocent can no more hold.The unrepentant guilty shall not go free. You love the oppression of the innocent it is your type that will support a criminal government that will frame treason against people exercising their fundamental human rights and have them hanged. And the sorry addendum to your skewed rationality is that Africa can progress without respect for human rights and freedom.your claims are totally unfounded lies. Why don't dwell on an intelligent discussion?when igbos were getting killed in the north and south/west nigeria in 1966/67 not only that, none of them got the same treatment in eastern- region. Every nation's experience is difficult and peculiar. Nigeria's "unity" has cost 4 million lives and more. Your concept of unity may be Jos and Bornu killings which go on on a daily basis. Your idea of unity may be the conflict in the Niger Delta. Your concept of unity may be the persistent massacre of innocent Igbos; the exploitation, oppression and denial of peoples' rights but for the civilized, it is not.
Re: We Igbos Are Falling Into Intellectual Stagnation by Mobinga: 4:05am On Feb 13, 2011
ShangoThor:

Seriously Mobinga,

read my first post, it was a question, and the first thing you did was insult me, it seems like you're the one that has been puffing on a blunt,
take out your aggression somewhere else.

I asked whether you smoked. How is that an insult? angry You are paranoid
Re: We Igbos Are Falling Into Intellectual Stagnation by seanet02: 4:11am On Feb 13, 2011
@mattazmagi, stop discussing issues you dont know anything about. Where did YORUBAS killed ibos in 67? Even when we should have massacre you shyts for killing our premier when you left your own we did not. Stop being fo.oli.sh
Re: We Igbos Are Falling Into Intellectual Stagnation by matazzmagi(m): 4:46am On Feb 13, 2011
I think some people on this forum never been to east before,it is shocking what some people think of igbos, come  to development igbos fix most private and federal roads in the east,Anambra state spend over 18bilion naira on federal roads alone and federal govt still dragging their feet to pay back the money back to state account most cities in igboland were personally developed by igbos from industries to estates to transport etc now in G.R.A. onitsha and some other towns properties in those placeses is from 60million naira up depending on the size some goes up to 200million as we are talking people are building nice houses down to a place called (33)because G.R.A. is almost  80% developed no space when it comes to properties. None was build by federal or state govt, all private own by common igbo men and women and  so called traders,industrialist,bushmen e.t.c,
Re: We Igbos Are Falling Into Intellectual Stagnation by matazzmagi(m): 4:54am On Feb 13, 2011
@seant02 I know you do not care for the 4 million people who have died in the nigerian experiment, but their relatives do. I know you do not respect peoples' rights and freedom and liberty from oppression and exploitation but Biafrans do. You may not respect peoples' rights to be free from extortion, religious and ethnic oppression and violence but many others do. I know you do not respect the right of Self-determination for oppressed peoples but sure the oppressed does. Is unity by force?
Re: We Igbos Are Falling Into Intellectual Stagnation by jason123: 4:57am On Feb 13, 2011
matazzmagi:

@seant02 I know you do not care for the 4 million people who have died in the nigerian experiment, but their relatives do. I know you do not respect peoples' rights and freedom and liberty from oppression and exploitation but Biafrans do. You may not respect peoples' rights to be free from extortion, religious and ethnic oppression and violence but many others do. I know you do not respect the right of Self-determination for oppressed peoples but sure the oppressed does. Is unity by force?

It is certainly not by force. Please, do as you wish.
Re: We Igbos Are Falling Into Intellectual Stagnation by fstranger3(m): 5:19am On Feb 13, 2011
OP:

You are right, Ibos are stupidd.

You said it, not moi!
Re: We Igbos Are Falling Into Intellectual Stagnation by matazzmagi(m): 5:30am On Feb 13, 2011
fsranger3 minus lost!!!
From your kind,why forcefully maintain an illegitimate nation?Why would any sane human being advocate a continuation of a fundamentally sick and dying nation like nigeria afflicted with ethnic hatred.
Re: We Igbos Are Falling Into Intellectual Stagnation by EzeUche2(m): 7:14am On Feb 13, 2011
Come on now Ikengawo. I was starting to warm up to you and then you write this nonsense. Igbos are doing better than any other group intellectually. Do not allow our political situation to cloud your mind. Get to know the common Igbo man and you will have your answers.

Take these few words of advice, do not talk about Igbo issues in front of other groups. It can be used against us. As the Americans say, "do not show your dirty laundry."

Do you see other groups doing that on Nairaland? The answer is NO so STOP IT.
Re: We Igbos Are Falling Into Intellectual Stagnation by fstranger3(m): 7:21am On Feb 13, 2011
Ikengawo, You are the best!
Re: We Igbos Are Falling Into Intellectual Stagnation by EzeUche2(m): 7:24am On Feb 13, 2011
^^^
I think you are obsessed with Ileke-Idi. You act like a guy who does not get any play. Shame! Shame! Shame! Stop stalking the poor girl.
Re: We Igbos Are Falling Into Intellectual Stagnation by Ikengawo: 7:24am On Feb 13, 2011



@poster.I don't get your point.Igbo area is way ahead of other parts of Nigeria.The only exception is Government presence.

As for Biafra,I doubt if most Igbos are really interested.If they really are MASSOB would have had up to 10 million members.

because we are VERY brilliant people. and we have the credentials to prove it, it's not just a boast. I'm not saying that there are no ideas in Igbo land, we're a million miles ahead of the rest of Nigeria in ideas hence why we're building 2 motor companies and a computer factory among many things.

Im just scared that all this biafra infatuation will cause us to lose our competitive edge, which is being able to take your destiny in your individual hands, and being capable. If we sit here and act like victims we're going to lose that.

Everytime a problem in the east comes up everyone starts talking about Biafra, im tired of it, it's not getting us anywhere, we have the brains to build a better future for ourselves, lets use them to find REAL solutions.
Re: We Igbos Are Falling Into Intellectual Stagnation by hollandis(f): 7:30am On Feb 13, 2011
The intellect evaporsation is not just restricted to the political circles alone,academically we have lost it
Re: We Igbos Are Falling Into Intellectual Stagnation by EzeUche2(m): 7:33am On Feb 13, 2011
hollandis:

The intellect evaporsation is not just restricted to the political circles alone,academically we have lost it


Explain. . . And honestly, is this only reserved for the Igbos? Remember who is leading the nation in educational output. Igbos are not falling behind anyone in terms of education. We are actually leading the pack. Stick to facts or provide support for your assertions.

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