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|Is Anointing Oil Still Relevant In The New Testament? by Bintus2much: 6:17pm On Feb 18, 2011|
It is very common among some Pentecostal churches with the use of Anointing oil in most of their services and their special programmes. Is it just a matter of choice that some others dont use it or Ignorance? Quoting 1john 2:27, How relevant is the so called ANOINTING OIL in this age? and also, if we study the old testament carefully we will discover that the Anointing oil that was used then composed of different spices and ingredients but every church that uses anointing oil these days use OLIVE OIL as the anointing oil. Meanwhile if you further study, you will discover that the Olive Oil is even one of the materials needed to make the ANOINTING OIL. I remember Pst Tunde Bakare and Bishop Oyedepo had an argument on this issue, What is your take on the subject matter? Be very constructive and not biased because your church uses it, waiting for all your responses,
|Re: Is Anointing Oil Still Relevant In The New Testament? by Joagbaje(m): 7:27am On Aug 23, 2011|
There were two kinds of oil. The one for the anointing , and the one for medicinal use. The anointing oil was only used by ,priests to anoint men into office. No other person handles it. No other person should use it.
31 And thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel, saying, This shall be an holy anointing oil unto me throughout your generations. 32 Upon man's flesh shall it not be poured, neither shall ye make any other like it, after the composition of it: it is holy, and it shall be holy unto you.
But the use of balm and oil for sick persons was a medicinal use. Which the Jews began to practice later. Its on thatground that Jesus deciples use it and james mentioned it. So what the churches practice today is not the same thing with the holy oil.
But there's a principle behind it which stands. An anointed man can anoint anything. A man of God can anoint sand ,water, spittle, handkerchief etc and by this transfer power into them for a situation. So on that ground ,he can as well anoint a bottle of oil. But the content if the bottle is not significant . Either it's oil o or water.
|Re: Is Anointing Oil Still Relevant In The New Testament? by Bintus2much: 9:40am On Aug 23, 2011|
Thanks for this response, You have hit the Nail on the head. but where exactly did Jesus' disciples used that in the scripture?
|Re: Is Anointing Oil Still Relevant In The New Testament? by nuella2(f): 3:51pm On Aug 23, 2011|
Thanks for the clarification Jo. How are things with you? I read your testimony in wikisozo, it was funny and inspiring, I laughed for several minutes.
|Re: Is Anointing Oil Still Relevant In The New Testament? by Joagbaje(m): 4:26pm On Aug 23, 2011|
Thanks nuella, where hast thou been? Hope you will stay small this time.
|Re: Is Anointing Oil Still Relevant In The New Testament? by Joagbaje(m): 4:29pm On Aug 23, 2011|
Jesus never used the oil. He healed the sick and cast out devils only by his spoken words.
16 . . . and he cast out the spirits with his word, and healed all that were sick:
When he sent his disciples out, he also told them not to carry anything , but when they came back they said they also use oil on the sick. That's what many people capitalise on. It was a Jewish practice.
13 And they cast out many devils, and anointed with oil many that were sick, and healed them.
|Re: Is Anointing Oil Still Relevant In The New Testament? by nlMediator: 4:32pm On Aug 23, 2011|
I'm really amazed at the extent of your opposition to this anointing oil stuff. Jesus did not condemn it even when it was brought to His attention. James mentioned and recommended it. You dismiss all that. But you're willing to endorse other things that do not have nearly as much support in the Scriptures. I think your concern is that the anointing oil is abused. But that's not sufficient ground to be cool towards it. After all, the same can be said of a number of other practices in the Church that we approve or practice.
|Re: Is Anointing Oil Still Relevant In The New Testament? by Bintus2much: 4:42pm On Aug 23, 2011|
I think you should read carefully what Joagbaje was trying to explain. and besides you need to undertand that using an oil to anoint is different from using the anointing oil as it was previously used in the old testament. The Anointing oil was made up of different spices which we cannot find now, Notice James was not referring to an Anointing oil but just an ordinary oil to anoint the sick, so get the difference.
|Re: Is Anointing Oil Still Relevant In The New Testament? by Joagbaje(m): 4:44pm On Aug 23, 2011|
I said a man of God can anoint anything. Just as Jesus anointed spittle and sand to open blind eyes , paul anointed handkerchief for a special reason. Someon can use oil on that premise. But the anointing oil of the bible was for putting men in office. If I'm wrong correct me scripturally.
|Re: Is Anointing Oil Still Relevant In The New Testament? by nlMediator: 5:08pm On Aug 23, 2011|
I don't think you're wrong and I'm not trying to correct you. I'm just drawing a different conclusion from the points you raised. That is, if anything can be anointed, if Jesus did not condemn the use of anointing oil to heal the sick, if James recommended it, then I see no reason to fuss about it. If we applied such rigid standards to other practices in the Church, many of them will not stand.
|Re: Is Anointing Oil Still Relevant In The New Testament? by nlMediator: 5:10pm On Aug 23, 2011|
I don't see th distinction. No christian I know claims to be following the OT anointing oil. They anchor their practice on James and the disciples. If ordinary oil is acceptable to James, why is olive oil not acceptable?
|Re: Is Anointing Oil Still Relevant In The New Testament? by Joagbaje(m): 6:03pm On Aug 23, 2011|
The problem is the religion people now attach to it. Oil from Jerusalem etc. If I use the term "lesser truth" you will vex for me. The anointing of God is meant to work through our hands.
18 . . . they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.
That's the primary way weve been ordained to minister. Paul had to transfer power to handkerchief because of multitude.
But making a ritual out of it becomes a problem .
At the same time we can't overrule the wisdom of God. The wisdom of God can tell someone to throw sand in the air and a miracle takes place for a particular situation. That doesn't turn that ground to a special holy ground or make sand throwing a church ritual. If a man is led to use medium for a particular case it is different from making a doctrine from it.
I'm not condemning those who use oil. It's just that many just use it without understanding the principles . They pour it in food , application letter etc because someone brought the oil from Jerusalem. It's not the oil that contain the power ,it's the man.
|Re: Is Anointing Oil Still Relevant In The New Testament? by nlMediator: 8:27pm On Aug 23, 2011|
|Re: Is Anointing Oil Still Relevant In The New Testament? by Tay16: 8:35pm On Jun 19|
Joagbaje:said with so much wisdom. Thank you
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