Preciousgirl:

Mark 2:23-24,27-28

[23]Now it happened that He went through the grainfields on the Sabbath; and as they went His disciples began to pluck the heads of grain.

[24]And the Pharisees said to Him, “Look, why do they do what is not lawful on the Sabbath?”

[27]And He said to them, “The Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath.

[28]Therefore the Son of Man is also Lord of the Sabbath.”

What did Jesus mean by this? Thank you

psucc:
From the literally meaning, to Lord over something or somebody is to have supremacy or authority over it. So our Christ really meant He is the Superior to Sabbath.

Preciousgirl:

Mark 2:23-24,27-28

[23]Now it happened that He went through the grainfields on the Sabbath; and as they went His disciples began to pluck the heads of grain.

[24]And the Pharisees said to Him, “Look, why do they do what is not lawful on the Sabbath?”

[27]And He said to them, “The Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath.

[28]Therefore the Son of Man is also Lord of the Sabbath.”

What did Jesus mean by this? Thank you

MaxInDHouse:
Lord means Owner!

CalliDora1:
. In other words, man has control over the Sabbath hence can choose to treat it however he wants but the Sabbath has no control over man and shouldn't determine man's behavior or activities.

Dtruthspeaker:


See interpretation!

Anyway, and the Proof of an Owner, is His Absolute Control over His possessions, which He Owns.

Dtruthspeaker:


Lie-lie!

Man was made for the Sabbath means man was Given the Sabbath for All things Good that is Rest, Joy, Play, Laughter, Dancing, Feasting Only things which are Good.

And not for Suffering, Pain, Hardship and the things which are Not good which the world teaches, the people teach and the priests/Pharisees/Pastors teach.

CalliDora1:


Where is the lie in what I said now? Youve simply described further in details what the Sabbath is all about while I simply explaines how the Sabbath is not meant to control or put man under any kind of bondage. So how did I lie?

Preciousgirl:
Mark 2:23-24,27-28
^[23]Now it happened that He went through the grainfields on the Sabbath; and as they went His disciples began to pluck the heads of grain.
^[24]And the Pharisees said to Him, “Look, why do they do what is not lawful on the Sabbath?”
^[27]And He said to them, “The Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath.
^[28]Therefore the Son of Man is also Lord of the Sabbath.”

What did Jesus mean by this? Thank you

MuttleyLaff:
Your tone and words already conveyed it and I know you had good intentions with the ''sir'' thing but using ''sir'' just became intolerable for me

Claiming the sabbath hasnt been abolished is indefensible but when posters whose ID we wont mention try to put up a defence, what they write is so feeble and ridiculous as to deserve laughter or making fun of. Opting for the former, is why you see me downing the laughter tonic instead of outrightly make fun of post(er)

Wouldnt it be nice, if other posters are as mature and unruffled as you are. We can have a fall out, without needing to or taking it personal. Besides, thats the beauty of law of liberty, to respect your choice, as it's based on the current level of recognition and understanding

No, I dont like to play on words, my words are crystal clear but some posters, inadvertently and some other posters with hidden agendas, inaccurately paraphrase some posts of mine they cant come to terms with

Whenever I share information or when exposing truths, I like making conscious efforts in selecting right words to use in my posts so in essence, what I like doing is, to deliberately and intentionally pick certain words or phrases for maximum effect in all my communications

Maybe because my wordings, most times can be uncompromisingly forthright, that is why some think ''I like to play on words''

I clearly understand that you believe in keeping the fourth commandment but do you believe you're an Israelite too?
Do you also believe in the strict enforcements in Exodus 31:14?

All the 10 commandments at some point stopped being binding but before you start crying blue murder, almost all were brought back
The same 10 commandments, less one (i.e. the fourth commandment) were brought forward in the NT. Each one of the ten commandments, except for the fourth commandment were and are explicitly reintroduced or reinstituted by Jesus or the NT

²⁸Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest
²⁹Take my yoke upon you and learn from me,
for I am gentle and humble in heart, and you will find rest for your souls.
- Matthew 11:28-29

Yes, there is no specific day of rest for believers. Jesus gives us rest. Jesus Christ is now our rest. We have rest from the work of flesh. Jesus is the rest. Jesus is the true rest

MuttleyLaff:
Exactly petra1, Jesus, is the Lord of the Sabbath.
He, as it were, is the Owner of the sabbath.
and as Owner of the sabbath, you dont hear Jesus saying: Keep the sabbath
Jesus never repeats the 4th commandment, the same way He explicitly repeats and commanded each of the other 9 commandments

So, yeah, it's not just about a specific day, and it has nothing to do with the fourth commandment
The law of liberty in Romans 14:5 is providing clear evidence that there is no specified day
Galatians 4:9-12 (i.e. New Living Translation) on the other hand, criticises this on grounds of going back to weak and worthless principles

MaxInDHouse:
He is just a victim of the spirit of intolerance lack of self control !

So even when he can't debunk what you say with proof the intolerant spirit in him will continue to make him boil unnecessarily!

CalliDora1:


Where is the lie in what I said now? Youve simply described further in details what the Sabbath is all about while I simply explained how the Sabbath is not meant to control or put man under any kind of bondage. So how did I lie?

Dtruthspeaker:
Sorry sis, I did not mean you Lie, I was using our Nigerian meaning of I no gree when we say "lie,lie, I no gree"

MaxInDHouse:
This your intolerance again?

Anyway the simple meaning of LORD in one word is OWNER, so you can build up your explanation from any point you choose to, teach what you know and stop worrying yourself about the opinion of others.
Today the world is propagating FREEDOM of SPEECH, EXPRESSION and WORSHIP so go ahead and say what you know, stop this attitude because that's the same reason why Boko Haram is killing people instead of waiting for God to come and judge falsehood! Revelations 22:11-12

Dtruthspeaker:


Sorry sis, I did not mean you Lie, I was using our Nigerian meaning of I no gree when we say "lie,lie, I no gree"

MuttleyLaff:

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Lord, is from the same root word we get the word "Landlord" from.

Same way, landlord is the owner of the land or house, so is, Christ, the Owner of every other human being and in fact, the Owner of the Sabbath

CalliDora1:


Ok.

Dtruthspeaker:
As you say "Lord of the Land" ...

Dtruthspeaker:
... but The Lord is Greatly More!

He is Lord of the Heavens we do not see and Lord of the Sky and Lord of the Weather and Lord of Days and Lord of Laws and Lord of Life and Lord of Death and Lord of Hell and Lord of ALL!

Dtruthspeaker:


As you have said, I have excercised and express my Freedom to Contest any issue raised here which I have Done.

Further, you have Rightly Observed that I have a Great Intolerance and Hatred for Lies, And Most Especially Veiled Lies, Sly Misrepresentation of Truths, Half-Truths and Half-Lies, Incomplete Truths etc which Are The Choice Weapons of The-Evils used Against Souls who Naturally Seek for Truth and Eat Same when Found, As A baby sucks Milk expecting it would be good and healthy.

But alas, there are many like you who often come to Poison the Babies Milk and Destroy them Wilfully, like the Satanist Clearly Do.

MuttleyLaff:
I didnt type "Lord of the Land"

but what I typed was:
"Lord, is from the same root word we get the word "Landlord" from.

I also typed that:
"Same way, landlord is the owner of the land or house, so is, Christ, the Owner of every other human being and in fact, the Owner of the Sabbath"

Now I dont see where you thought I typed "Lord of the Land"

MuttleyLaff:

What about Beelzebub? What lord of, is Beelzebub? Smh sigh.

MaxInDHouse:

This is social media Sir not inside your church building where you have the right to drive away people whose ideologies contradicts the fundamental doctrines of your religion!

MaxInDHouse:

So whether truth or lies what Jesus commanded ....

Dtruthspeaker:


Like the Ground Under Your Feet, there is No Contradiction in Truths.

Speak Only Right and Pure and Good things else...



Truth or Lies? Mr Maximus you said "Truth or Lies?"

Has The Lord Ever Ever Advocated Lying? Is A Lying Tongue Not HATED BY THE LORD? And is A False Witness who speaketh Lies Not an Abomination unto Him?

Yeeeh!, mo gbe!

Out of the Abundance of the heart your mouth has indeed Confessed and Admitted that YOU LIE AND ARE ALWAYS CAPABLE OF LYING!

No Wonder, I further understand more now.

Dtruthspeaker:
Truly you said these things but I thought it was because you Appreciated that "Landlord meant "Lord of the Land" hence my statements thereafter.

Dtruthspeaker:
By Job 1:6 Satan is a son of God and if a son of God therefore a "prince".

Dtruthspeaker:
He is Lord of the Heavens we do not see and Lord of the Sky and Lord of the Weather and Lord of Days and Lord of Laws and Lord of Life and Lord of Death and Lord of Hell and Lord of ALL!

MuttleyLaff:
Now I dont see where you thought I typed "Lord of the Land"

What about Beelzebub? What lord of, is Beelzebub? Smh sigh.

Dtruthspeaker:
Being a prince, by virtue of John 14:30, he is a prince of this world, therefore a "lord" also of this world.

Mathew 12:24 beelzebub is prince of the-evils, D'evils, Devils!

Therefore by Ephesians 6:12 , Satan/Beelzebub is the "lord of" Darkness and Wickednesses and all their powers "Of this World"

MuttleyLaff:

"Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan also came among them"
- Job 1:6,

The Bible has never anywhere addressed Satan as a son of God. Please even try to push it or force that narrative.

Job 1:6, is not calling Satan a son of God, the same way if I should type that: "Now there was a time when white men came on this thread, and Dtruthspeaker also came among them" it doesnt mean that Dtruthspeaker is a white man, lmso. Do you get it now, lmso.

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MuttleyLaff:

I was expecting you to say Satan is the Lord of flies

Dtruthspeaker:
True, it can be countered that way but I think the balanced Judgment here would be "Satan may be a son of God OR may just be plain wicked Satan" just like Dtruthspeaker may also be a white man.

Dtruthspeaker:
But after this Judgment is there any further evidence that may tilt it one way or the other?

And this is where john 14:30 tilts it, in calling Satan "prince of" just as our Lord is Also the "Prince of Peace" and the children that is son of a King are Always called "Prince"!

Dtruthspeaker:
Truthfully, i do not go beyond the Direct Explanation supplied in the Bible so I am generally ok with Mathew 12:24's Explanation of who the Beelzebub be, el-thing is.

MuttleyLaff:
Satan came among the sons of God, and isnt ever a son of God, just as Dtruthspeaker, came among the white men, and Dtruthspeaker isnt ever a white man, but just is plain black skinned Dtruthspeaker. Capisce? Let it happen truthfully, dont force it that Satan in Job 1:6 is a son of God

"For, At just the right time Christ will be revealed from heaven
by the blessed and only almighty God, the King of all kings and Lord of all lords."
- 1 Timothy 6:15

Smh. You have misunderstood that prince, in Ephesians 2:2, is used in reference to rulership and not monarchy

Satan is able to accomplish Job 1:7 because he rules over the flies, hence why addressed as lord of the flies. He is the ruler of the spiritual powers in space. He exercises authority over the lower heavens, and is the spirit now working or ruling in the disobedient.

"But when the Pharisees heard this, they said,
"This man casts out demons only by Beelzebul the ruler of the demons.""
- Mathew 12:24

Truthfully, you do because of Proverbs 25:2, need to go beyond the Direct Explanation supplied in the Bible to get the implied explanation. Now the word "Beelzebub," is associated with flies and the other flies because, in fact, the Jews, regard the fly, in particular, as more or less impure and demonic. This is how or the reason why Beelzebub, is called the ruler of demons (i.e. lord of the flies) Interestingly enough, the devil in German folk-lore is depicted in the shape of a fly

MuttleyLaff:

Smh. You have misunderstood that prince, in Ephesians 2:2, is used in reference to rulership and not monarchy...

All rulers, necessarily are not princes. PMB is not a prince nor is he monarchy, yet he rules Naija. Satan is not and never was a son of a King narrative you are trying to force on. Give it a rest please, lmso.

Preciousgirl:

<sup>Mark 2:23-24,27-28

[23]Now it happened that He went through the grainfields on the Sabbath; and as they went His disciples began to pluck the heads of grain.

[24]And the Pharisees said to Him, “Look, why do they do what is not lawful on the Sabbath?”

[27]And He said to them, “The Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath.

[28]Therefore the Son of Man is also Lord of the Sabbath.”

What did Jesus mean by this? Thank you</sup>

Acehart:


It signifies that, amid and in addition to his other lordships, the Son of man possesses this also—that he is Lord of the sabbath day. He is Lord of angels, for they worship him; he is the Lord from heaven, and all its hosts do acknowledge him; he is Lord of earth, for by him it was made, and through him it is upheld; he is the Lord of all creation, for he is the firstborn of every creature, that in all things he should have the pre-eminence; "he is Lord also of the sabbath."

The Sabbath observance pre-dates Abraham. Concerning the Seventh day of the creation account, it is written: “They heard the sound of the Lord God walking in the garden in the cool of the day”. (Gen. 3:8).

I’d like us to see the meaning of these keywords from the verse:

¹. Sound (voice) of the Lord God
². The cool of the day.

Sound (voice) of the Lord God.

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The word “voice” translated in the Hebrew as qôl has several meanings: cry, yell, thundering, deep sound, lowering (dark and threatening), proclamation, herald etc. What the proclamation was, we may never know; but we know that throughout the scriptures, when Christ, the Lord God, was to make an entrance into the world, a proclamation always preceded Him.

The Cool of the Day.

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In simple terms, the ‘Cool of the Day’ means evening. In the OT, from the time of Noah to the time of times when the Jewish temple still stood, the sacrifice made to God on the Sabbaths were done in the evening. The most notable evening sacrifice that elicited thunderings, darkness, and the terrifying sound of an earthquake was that of the Son of Man on Calvary on the day of Yom Kippur, also known as the Day of Atonement, the holiest day of the year in Judaism.

The word “Cool” in Hebrew is translated “rûach” meaning: the spirit, to breathe, the wind, the mind etc. This word’s etymology means: ‘to smell’ (the savor of a sacrifice) and ‘make of quick understanding’. The word “day” in Hebrew is translated “Yom” meaning: season, period, appointed time, span of time, as long as one lives, etc.

Regarding the root of the word “cool” - make of quick understanding, the Hebrew word for “Sabbath” comes from the root of the verb: “to sit to study and get knowledge”.

This is closely related to the meaning of “day”; “day” represents: “a source of knowledge”, which is not complex for us to comprehend since nowadays many of us have this saying: “I learn something new every day” and, traditionally, “old age” (i.e. the passing of time) is almost always associated with: “wisdom”. Is there a biblical support to the conclusion?

I’d say, yes. In the interpretation of the dreams of the steward and the baker of Pharaoh, Joseph explains: “the three branches”, as well as, the dream of “the three baskets”, represent: “three days”. Branches of trees provide fruit, and baskets, traditionally, are used to serve bread.

In the scriptures, bread is a figurative expression for knowledge or teaching (John 6:48-63). (Even in tertiary institutions, the word “branch” in respect to any subject is used to refer to a specific field of knowledge). With regards to the figurative meaning of the word ‘fruit’, we have to go back to the same Garden of Eden where there is the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil; Adam and Eve didn’t eat the tree, they ate the fruit from the tree to obtain knowledge; so it is the fruit itself which contains the knowledge; and the tree should be seen as a source of knowledge as a teacher is a source of knowledge. (But their source of Knowledge was to be from the Tree of Life).

When we see the effect of eating the fruit of the Knowledge of Good and Evil, Adam and Eve begin to focus on their flesh; this indicates that before eating from that tree, the Lord God was the only source of knowledge that he had; and if by definition, God is good, evil is the flesh. Then, “evil” is anyone who considers themselves “a source of knowledge about God” -this was Paul’s postulation to the Corinthian church who used sensuality as a means of getting the knowledge of who God is.

As a result, Adam becomes a source of knowledge besides God and we see Lord God saying this: "Behold, the man has become like one of Us, knowing good and evil.”

So far, we see that the Sabbath day was a day set aside for man to learn about the goodness of the Lord God, alone; and that man was to sit before the Lord to acquire this knowledge. In contrast to the expression of the Pharisees who exercised evil on that day - in thoughts and action (Luke 6:9). Jesus drew their attention to the initial purpose of the constitution of the Sabbath - Goodness alone, in that question: “I ask you, is it lawful to do good or to do harm on the Sabbath, to save a life or to destroy it?"

Jesus is claiming to be the Lord of the Sabbath is drawing our attention to the following:

1. He is the source of eternal life.
2. He is the sole source of the knowledge of God.
3. He created the worlds and man; He is the one who rested.
4. He is the one that was heralded in the Garden of Eden; and in essence, He is God.
5. He is the one that took the decision to expel man from the Garden of Eden.
6. He is the one that instituted the sacrifice of atonement, and appointed the Sabbaths from the Garden to the time of Abel to the time of Moses.
7. He is the one that caused the Mount Sinai to smoke.
8. He is the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob; including Moses.
9. He is Jehovah.

I hope I wasn’t too complex in my explanation. Please, feel free to ask any question in any part you have found to be incomprehensible.

Cc: MuttleyLaff

Preciousgirl:
Mark 2:23-24,27-28
^[23]Now it happened that He went through the grainfields on the Sabbath;
and as they went His disciples began to pluck the heads of grain.
^[24]And the Pharisees said to Him, “Look, why do they do what is not lawful on the Sabbath?”
^[27]And He said to them, “The Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath.
^[28]Therefore the Son of Man is also Lord of the Sabbath.”

What did Jesus mean by this? Thank you