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World's Earliest Python That Lived In Europe 47 Million Years Ago Unearthed (Pix by Nobody: 9:29pm On Dec 21, 2020
Scientists have identified the world's earliest python from 47 million-year-old fossils recovered from a quarry in southwest Germany.

Remains of the new python species, called Messelopython freyi, were discovered in Messel Pit, a UNESCO World Heritage Site near the German city of Darmstadt.

Researchers report in a new paper that the 'completely preserved' species had a length of just over three feet (one metre).

M. freyi, both a new species and a new genus, is the oldest known fossil record of a python anywhere in the world, researchers say.

It slithered around Europe during the early-middle part of the Eocene period, which saw the dawn of animal life as we know it today.

Messel Pit was almost turned into a landfill in 1991 before being saved and declared a UNESCO World Heritage site in December 1995 for its geological relevance.

'The geographic origin of pythons is still not clear,' said study author Dr Krister Smith of the Senckenberg Research Institute and Natural History Museum in Frankfurt.

'The discovery of a new python species in the Messel Pit is therefore a major leap forward in understanding these snakes' evolutionary history.'

Reaching a length of more than six meters, pythons are among the world's largest snakes.

Today, various species of these constrictors are found primarily in Africa, Southern and Southeast Asia, and Australia.

But M. freyi marks a point in history when pythons when parts of Europe too were home to a wide diversity of snakes.

'Our analyses trace their evolutionary history to Europe,' said co-author Dr Hussam Zaher at the University of São Paulo, Brazil.

'According to our findings, these snakes already occurred in Europe at the time of the Eocene, over 47 million years ago.'

Since the time of M. freyi, however, large constrictor snakes subsequently disappeared from the European continent for quite some time.

Fossils of this snake family did not appear again until the geological time period known as the Miocene – between 23 and 5 million years ago.

'As the global climate began to cool again after the Miocene, the pythons once again disappeared from Europe, said Dr Smith.

Unlike this new species from Messel, modern pythons live in complete separation from their anatomically very similar relatives, the boas.

'However, in Messel, both Messelopython freyi as well as primitive boas such as Eoconstrictor fischeri lived together in the same ecosystem,' said Dr Smith.

'We therefore have to revisit the thesis that these two groups of snakes competed with each other, making them unable to share the same habitats.'

The snake, which is described further in the journal Biology Letters, has been classified both as a new species and a new genus.

Its scientific name is a combination of the locality where it was found, Messel, and the snake’s family, python or 'pythonidae'.

It's also a nod to a leading German palaeontologist – Eberhard 'Dino' Frey of the State Museum of Natural History in Karlsruhe, Germany, who is renowned for his studies of fossil reptiles

'By naming a new species after him, we wanted to honour his accomplishments in the field of paleontology,' said Dr Smith.

M. freyi's time on this Earth overlapped with another extinct snake genus called Eoconstrictor, which is known for being able to see in infrared.

The neurological pathways of the Eoconstrictor are comparable to those of the recent large boas and pythons – snakes that possess so-called pit organs.

These organs are located between the scales of the upper and lower jaws and allow the snakes to generate a three-dimensional heat image of their surroundings by combining visible light and infrared radiation.

This enables the reptiles to more easily detect prey animals, enemies, or hiding places.

Source: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-9063029/Worlds-earliest-python-identified-fossil-remains-unearthed-German-quarry.html

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Re: World's Earliest Python That Lived In Europe 47 Million Years Ago Unearthed (Pix by rottennaija(m): 9:30pm On Dec 21, 2020
They should just don't unearth pathogens that killed the world once.

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Re: World's Earliest Python That Lived In Europe 47 Million Years Ago Unearthed (Pix by emeijeh(m): 9:31pm On Dec 21, 2020
Who calculated the maths?

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Re: World's Earliest Python That Lived In Europe 47 Million Years Ago Unearthed (Pix by vickydankal(f): 9:34pm On Dec 21, 2020
Mysteries abound in this world maybe just maybe we will have a technology to officially go to the past and find out hidden keys about this life we live.

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Re: World's Earliest Python That Lived In Europe 47 Million Years Ago Unearthed (Pix by Righteousness2(m): 9:34pm On Dec 21, 2020
So many Strange Discoveries in these Strange times.
Men and Brethren, I am not interested in these 48million and 60 million years Discoveries.

What I am Interested in is to announce to you that the Greatest Event of all times is upon us..

JESUS is Coming Folks..

Be Ready!
Live Ready!
Stay Ready!

It will be a Huge Mess to Miss Heaven..

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Re: World's Earliest Python That Lived In Europe 47 Million Years Ago Unearthed (Pix by HolinessForever: 9:39pm On Dec 21, 2020
Righteousness2:
So many Strange Discoveries in these Strange times.
Men and Brethren, I am not interested in these 48million and 60 million years Discoveries.

What I am Interested in is to announce to you that the Greatest Event of all times is upon us..

JESUS is Coming Folks..

Be Ready!
Live Ready!
Stay Ready!

It will be a Huge Mess to Miss Heaven..

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Re: World's Earliest Python That Lived In Europe 47 Million Years Ago Unearthed (Pix by donbachi(m): 9:45pm On Dec 21, 2020
Dont think they can unearth something like dis in nigeria..nigerians dey chop animals,chop their bones join.

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Re: World's Earliest Python That Lived In Europe 47 Million Years Ago Unearthed (Pix by etrange: 9:50pm On Dec 21, 2020
emeijeh:
Who calculated the maths?

Were you an art student? No offense really but while some dating techniques might be questionable, the question "who did the maths?" suggests you don't even know about the existence of these techniques. To answer your question, modern science uses radiometric dating techniques and this involves measuring the decay of isotopes in the fossil. It's called absolute dating cause isotopes break down at a constant rate over time through radioactive decay. Since rate is constant, the ratio of the amount of original isotope (parent) to the amount of the new isotope (child) can be used to calculate the 'absolute' age of the fossil.

These fossils can also be dated using relative dating techniques (not sure anyone does that these days) and carbon dating (generally not suitable for dating fossils).

**Modified**
My first question wasn't to undermine the intelligence of art students. I only asked that cause being an student might excuse his lack of knowledge about isotopes and thier roles in fossil dating. Just felt I should say this.

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Re: World's Earliest Python That Lived In Europe 47 Million Years Ago Unearthed (Pix by emeijeh(m): 9:52pm On Dec 21, 2020
etrange:


Were you an art student? No offense really but while some dating techniques might be questionable, the question "who did the maths?" suggests you don't even know about the existence of these techniques. To answer your question, modern science uses radiometric dating techniques and this involves measuring the decay of isotopes in the fossil. It's called absolute dating cause isotopes break down at a constant rate over time through radioactive decay. Since rate is constant, the ratio of the amount of original isotope (parent) to the amount of the new isotope (child) can be used to calculate the 'absolute' age of the fossil.

These fossils can also be dated using relative dating techniques (not sure anyone does that these days) and carbon dating (generally not suitable for dating fossils).
Relax, you too take this life serious!
Baff make you go sleep cheesy

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Re: World's Earliest Python That Lived In Europe 47 Million Years Ago Unearthed (Pix by etrange: 9:57pm On Dec 21, 2020
emeijeh:

Relax, you too take this life serious!
Baff make you go sleep cheesy

It's afternoon where I am.

You're welcome.

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Re: World's Earliest Python That Lived In Europe 47 Million Years Ago Unearthed (Pix by Bluntguy: 10:00pm On Dec 21, 2020
Million, million things again?
Re: World's Earliest Python That Lived In Europe 47 Million Years Ago Unearthed (Pix by tillaman(m): 11:35pm On Dec 21, 2020
cool
Re: World's Earliest Python That Lived In Europe 47 Million Years Ago Unearthed (Pix by djoe21(m): 11:42pm On Dec 21, 2020
etrange:


Were you an art student? No offense really but while some dating techniques might be questionable, the question "who did the maths?" suggests you don't even know about the existence of these techniques. To answer your question, modern science uses radiometric dating techniques and this involves measuring the decay of isotopes in the fossil. It's called absolute dating cause isotopes break down at a constant rate over time through radioactive decay. Since rate is constant, the ratio of the amount of original isotope (parent) to the amount of the new isotope (child) can be used to calculate the 'absolute' age of the fossil.

These fossils can also be dated using relative dating techniques (not sure anyone does that these days) and carbon dating (generally not suitable for dating fossils).

So in this case where/how did they get original isotope? I believe the discovery is the new isotope (child) right?

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Re: World's Earliest Python That Lived In Europe 47 Million Years Ago Unearthed (Pix by Notatribalist(m): 12:44am On Dec 22, 2020
emeijeh:
Who calculated the maths?
Don't mind them Jarry

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Re: World's Earliest Python That Lived In Europe 47 Million Years Ago Unearthed (Pix by etrange: 1:53am On Dec 22, 2020
djoe21:


So in this case where/how did they get original isotope? I believe the discovery is the new isotope (child) right?

The daughter isotope (new stable isotope) is gotten from the fossil(or rocks surrounding the fossil) while parent isotope is the original element that has lost stability. The dating element used depends on the elements found in the fossil (or surrounding rocks).

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Re: World's Earliest Python That Lived In Europe 47 Million Years Ago Unearthed (Pix by dynicks(m): 3:10am On Dec 22, 2020
Lala!! BEHOLD THY ANCESTOR!!

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Re: World's Earliest Python That Lived In Europe 47 Million Years Ago Unearthed (Pix by Pelecius: 3:30am On Dec 22, 2020
etrange:


Were you an art student? No offense really but while some dating techniques might be questionable, the question "who did the maths?" suggests you don't even know about the existence of these techniques. To answer your question, modern science uses radiometric dating techniques and this involves measuring the decay of isotopes in the fossil. It's called absolute dating cause isotopes break down at a constant rate over time through radioactive decay. Since rate is constant, the ratio of the amount of original isotope (parent) to the amount of the new isotope (child) can be used to calculate the 'absolute' age of the fossil.

These fossils can also be dated using relative dating techniques (not sure anyone does that these days) and carbon dating (generally not suitable for dating fossils).
Relative dating is what is normally used for assigning dates to fossils anyway. Comparing the 'rock' in which they are found with the local geologic column.

For the first paragraph, the methods stated are actually correct but problems being raised is the assumptions behind such methods which many don't know.
1. The rate been constant throughout? (There are evidence for it not being constant)
2. It a closed system? (There are evidence that does not support this also)
3. The initial amount of parent and daughter isotopes known? (There are evidence that challenge this assumptions also)

But getting these to the general public is an issue. The age of the earth is taken as FACT and proving otherwise with sound evidence would bring persecution for you; "publish or perish"

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Re: World's Earliest Python That Lived In Europe 47 Million Years Ago Unearthed (Pix by GidiCars: 3:45am On Dec 22, 2020
These things defy logic and makes no sense, nothing can come of nothing. Anything designed that has a system and works, certainly have a brain behind it. It didn't come about randomly. Before you castigate me, whatever you think you know from what you read on the topic, I know it, not like you carried out any research or findings yourself nor can these things be replicated. That's one of the reason stuff like this are termed Pseudo-science.

Atheists usually think they're smarter than creationist, but they are just different sides of the same coin. You both got your knowledge from reading a book even though you can't demonstrate or show proof. Christians/Muslims have historical sites that they claim as proof and many other stuff. The findings these people claim to find around are just another part of the hole.

https://www.quora.com/What-are-some-examples-of-contradictions-in-science?share=1

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Re: World's Earliest Python That Lived In Europe 47 Million Years Ago Unearthed (Pix by Nobody: 4:03am On Dec 22, 2020
PLEASE, allow SLEEPING DOGS Lie before you people will unearth COVID 21 & 22 together.
We don't want the PLAGUES of EGYPT...

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Re: World's Earliest Python That Lived In Europe 47 Million Years Ago Unearthed (Pix by chudyprince: 4:20am On Dec 22, 2020
that might be anaconda sef
Re: World's Earliest Python That Lived In Europe 47 Million Years Ago Unearthed (Pix by Stewart883(m): 5:30am On Dec 22, 2020
If all of you here believe the earth is just 6000 years old, all of you are big fools!!!

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Re: World's Earliest Python That Lived In Europe 47 Million Years Ago Unearthed (Pix by etrange: 5:42am On Dec 22, 2020
Pelecius:

Relative dating is what is normally used for assigning dates to fossils anyway. Comparing the 'rock' in which they are found with the local geologic column.

For the first paragraph, the methods stated are actually correct but problems being raised is the assumptions behind such methods which many don't know.
1. The rate been constant throughout? (There are evidence for it not being constant)
2. It a closed system? (There are evidence that does not support this also)
3. The initial amount of parent and daughter isotopes known? (There are evidence that challenge this assumptions also)

But getting these to the general public is an issue. The age of the earth is taken as FACT and proving otherwise with sound evidence would bring persecution for you; "publish or perish"

I don't think the statement "relative dating is what is used to assign dates to fossils anyway" is entirely accurate. Both are used. A lot of legacy fossils date records have relative dates (in other words, majority of the dates were calculated using the relative dating technique) but this is as a result of the fact that the technique predates absolute dating. Radiometric dating is presently the most common choice of fossil dating method in the developed world except in cases where it's not an option.

I clearly acknowledged in my writeup you quoted that the dating techniques (all of them) have their limitations but radiometric dating is still the closest thing to perfection. I do have rather scientific responses to some of your questions though (especially about parent/daughter aka unstable/stable isotopes) but I wish not to prolong the chat. Just bear in mind that someone somewhere is always challenging whatever we know in science but until they come up with something concrete, we still use what we have.

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Re: World's Earliest Python That Lived In Europe 47 Million Years Ago Unearthed (Pix by Dayoebe(m): 6:07am On Dec 22, 2020
Not necessarily Million years ago. It may be hundreds of years back no doubt.


Righteousness2 wait till you finish your 45 years ban before derailing thread up and down

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Re: World's Earliest Python That Lived In Europe 47 Million Years Ago Unearthed (Pix by wiseone28: 6:13am On Dec 22, 2020
Na this one deceived Eve

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Re: World's Earliest Python That Lived In Europe 47 Million Years Ago Unearthed (Pix by Nobody: 6:19am On Dec 22, 2020
You can't have any reasonable discourse on this forum because it is dominated by the ignorant and silly.

Most of them who believe a talking snake tricked a rib-woman into eating a magic fruit still have the guts to make mockery of scientific methods they know nothing of. Sad really.

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