supportnija:
So even Christian can forrk mouth call MouthAction , I am not a religious begot but I will go with Oladejo, most of this mega church does not what they have caused in the marriage, I know couple who separated because the lady insisted on oral but the man refused said the lady wants to use him for retual..... People continue to quote ST Paul which is right does that mean God never reveal anything again, some churches during the WEDDING course advice couple to watch blue film, so, are we encourage them?

supportnija:
So even Christian can forrk mouth call MouthAction , I am not a religious begot but I will go with Oladejo, most of this mega church does not what they have caused in the marriage, I know a couple who separated because the lady insisted on oral but the man refused said the lady wants to use him for retual..... People continue to quote ST Paul which is right does that mean God never reveal anything again, some churches during the WEDDING course advice couple to watch blue film, so, are we encouraging them?

KingdomTenets:
Many Christian couples deprived themselves of sexual pleasure due to over spirituality and lack of knowledge.
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One of the major problems of today's Christians is the inability to study the Scriptures for themselves, understand the mind of God concerning issues of life and equip themselves to stand against false teachings and deceits in the Christendom. The scriptures has answers to all our questions, in which marriage and sexuality are included.

In a video that first surfaced about six years ago which is now trending again over the media, a pastor known as Oladejo share his vision of hell.

He said, Christian couples who practise other sex positions aside from missionary style will end up in hell where they will be inflicted with pain and agony. "Those who practise sex position like dog, goat, chicken, cow, hanging etc will end up in hell fire". He also said, God made man the head and for that reason, it is wrong for a married woman to ride on top of her husband during sex.

Firstly, we need to understand that many of those who claim to see visions of heaven actually did it for attention purposes, they are lies from the pit of hell, Adeboye Seun said.

There is nothing wrong with sex position as long as the couples are legally married and the peg is entering the right hole (he smiled). It becomes unnatural and sinful when the reverse is the case.

When Apostle Paul was talking in Romans chapter one, addressing immorality among the Romans; he mentioned their evil practices and the unnatural sexual activities they were engaged in, which focuses on homosexuality.

Again, leadership in homes has nothing to do with sexual positions, but authority in decision making. The authority given to the husband is not to enslave the wife, but to lead the home.

I recommend this couple's channel, it focuses on relationship talk.

Kobojunkie:
See Christian posting Leviticus to justify nonsense teaching.

Jesus Christ was clear in His teaching that marriages were of this world, and not His Kingdom. That means whatever sex position you choose is also of this world and has nothing to do with Him or His Kingdom.

Translation....God has given you freedom from laws in these things so enjoy as you want and don't let men deceive you into thinking God is concerned with such things in His Kingdom.

KingdomTenets:
First, can you please include the Bible passage you're quoting from, please?

Matthew 22 vs 23-33 (ERV)
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23. That same day some Sadducees came to Jesus. (Sadducees believe that no one will rise from death.) The Sadducees asked Jesus a question.
24. They said, “Teacher, Moses told us that if a married man dies and had no children, his brother must marry the woman. Then they will have children for the dead brother.[a]
25. There were seven brothers among us. The first brother married but died. He had no children. So his brother married the woman.
26. Then the second brother also died. The same thing happened to the third brother and all the other brothers.
27. The woman was the last to die.
28. But all seven men had married her. So when people rise from death, whose wife will she be?”
29. Jesus answered, “You are so wrong! You don’t know what the Scriptures say. And you don’t know anything about God’s power.
30. At the time when people rise from death, there will be no marriage. People will not be married to each other. Everyone will be like the angels in heaven.
31. Surely you have read what God said to you about people rising from death.
32. God said, ‘I am the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob.’[b] So they were not still dead, because he is the God only of living people.”
33. When the people heard this, they were amazed at Jesus’ teaching.

KingdomTenets:
Because you are literally saying God is not concern about adultery, fornication, homos*xuality, beatiality, s*x with parent etc.
I think there is something you want to justify by your comments ignoring Leviticus. Don't miss interpret the scriptures.

Matthew 5 vs 27-30
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27. “You have heard that it was said, ‘You must not commit adultery.’[e]
28. But I tell you that if a man looks at a woman and wants to sin sexually with her, he has already committed that sin with her in his mind.
29. If your right eye makes you sin, take it out and throw it away. It is better to lose one part of your body than to have your whole body thrown into hell.
30. If your right hand makes you sin, cut it off and throw it away. It is better to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to go into hell.

Kobojunkie:


Actually, God is not concerned about your list there. Instead, He is focused on your heart and what you have in it instead.
In His Kingdom, it doesn't matter whether you are a parent or not, and it does not matter what other relationship status - what matters is your acceptance(trust) and obedience of His commandments which are found in the Gospel life and teachings of Jesus Christ.

KingdomTenets:


I actually did a video on Matthew 22 you quoted, you might be interested in it.

Of course, you are very correct. God is concern about our heart in accordance to the standard He sets for us as human, which includes our way of life, relationships with one another, right s*xual life.

Man cannot live the way he likes thinking God is not concern about it. Because our heart and ways must reverence the Almighty Father.

Kobojunkie:
God gave you about 50-something commandments as part of His New Covenant and those commandments are what God has called you to accept(trust) and obey. Any other doctrines that assume to add or remove commandments from those He has set before you are lies that will only heal curses on those who follow them.

Your list which included such things as homosexuality, fornication, etc., is not according to what God gave you in His New Covenant and so by adding it , you against Him. That is why instead we are called to know the Truth( the teachings/commandments of Jesus Christ) so that the Truth will set us free from Sin by our acceptance (trust) and obedience.

KingdomTenets:
I think you're mixing things up here and I want to understand you better.
If I'm getting you right, are you trying to say that people can practice homos*xual, fornication etc and still maintain right standing with God?

Matthew 5 vs 27-30
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27. “You have heard that it was said, ‘You must not commit adultery.’[e]
28. But I tell you that if a man looks at a woman and wants to sin sexually with her, he has already committed that sin with her in his mind.
29. If your right eye makes you sin, take it out and throw it away. It is better to lose one part of your body than to have your whole body thrown into hell.
30. If your right hand makes you sin, cut it off and throw it away. It is better to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to go into hell.

Matthew 19 vs 3-9 (ERV)
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3. Some Pharisees came to Jesus. They tried to make him say something wrong. They asked him, “Is it right for a man to divorce his wife for any reason he chooses?”
4. Jesus answered, “Surely you have read this in the Scriptures: When God made the world, ‘he made people male and female.’
5. And God said, ‘That is why a man will leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife. And the two people will become one.’
6. So they are no longer two, but one. God has joined them together, so no one should separate them.”
7. The Pharisees asked, “Then why did Moses give a command allowing a man to divorce his wife by writing a certificate of divorce?”
8. Jesus answered, “Moses allowed you to divorce your wives because you refused to accept God’s teaching. But divorce was not allowed in the beginning.
9. I tell you that whoever divorces his wife, except for the problem of sexual sin, and marries another woman is guilty of adultery.”[/b]

KingdomTenets:
Christ said He has not come to abolish the law but to fulfill it. And with the help of the Holy Spirit, our soul is guided in submission to the will of God, which establishes our relationship and fellowship with Him.

Deuteronomy 30 vs 15-20 (ERV)
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15. “Today I have given you a choice between life and death, success and disaster.
16. I command you today to love the Lord your God. I command you to follow him and to obey his commands, laws, and rules. Then you will live, and your nation will grow larger. And the Lord your God will bless you in the land that you are entering to take for your own.
17. But if you turn away from your God and refuse to listen, if you are led away to worship and serve other gods,
18. you will be destroyed. I am warning you today, if you turn away from God, you will not live long in that land across the Jordan River that you are ready to enter and take for your own.

19. “Today I am giving you a choice of two ways. And I ask heaven and earth to be witnesses of your choice. You can choose life or death. The first choice will bring a blessing. The other choice will bring a curse. So choose life! Then you and your children will live.
20. You must love the Lord your God and obey him. Never leave him, because he is your life. And he will give you a long life in the land that he, the Lord, promised to give to your ancestors—Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.”

John 8 vs 31-46
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31. So Jesus said to the Jews who believed in him, “If you continue to accept and obey my teaching, you are really my followers.
32. You will know the truth, and the truth will make you free.”
33. They answered, “We are Abraham’s descendants. And we have never been slaves. So why do you say that we will be free?”
34. Jesus said, “The truth is, everyone who sins is a slave—a slave to sin.
35. A slave does not stay with a family forever. But a son belongs to the family forever.
36. So if the Son makes you free, you are really free.

KingdomTenets:
Obviously, s*xual sins are not acceptable in the New Life either. The law was given to guide the soul of men into God's standard for us and Christ also came to fulfill that, laying and teaching kingdom principles; which definitely still guide our ways on earth before we can qualify for eternity with him.

Kobojunkie:
I am not the one mixing things up here. God does not care about your name tags - homosexuality, fornication, etc. He doesn't. What He commands of you is simple...
A. It is His rule or the highway! In fact, He even turned things on their head as far as your labels are concerned, when He deems that instead the word "adultery" means divorcing your wife for the wrong reason, and "marrying" another woman.
Your right standing with God depends on your accepting(trusting) and obeying His teachings/commandments, not yours!
I am sorry what?
First of all, from your birth, the Old Covenant had absolutely nothing to do with you, since you are not of the Blood of Jacob. So don't even consider bringing it up at all. Second, Jesus Christ made it clear when He told a bunch of Jewish sinners that in order to be free from sin, they must first accept(trust) and obey His teachings/commandments. He never told them they first needed the Spirit of God first in order to submit their egos.NO, Jesus Christ said, if you want to submit, you must accept(trust) and obey His commandments/teachings, and only then will He(through His Spirit) come in to abide in such a one who has submitted.

The Law, as far as Gentiles are concerned, is embodied in the person of Jesus Christ, His teachings constitute the Truth of God as far as the Kingdom of God is concerned. And so, His Law defines for us what Sin is - not the Old Covenant - and His teachings instruct us on what we must do to free ourselves from slavery to sin, in order that we may become Sons of God. So, anyone who believes in Him but refuses to accept(trust) and obey His teachings/commandments, is not of Him but the devil(Read John 8 vs 37-47 for more on this)

KingdomTenets:


I don't see us saying different thing here.
You mentioned trust and obeying God's Commandments which as been mentioned too.

And about tagging:
It's true our soul is the most important thing to God, because it controls every other things. It also determine the kind of spirit we attracts.

The reverse of trust and obey equals sin, and sin means disobeying God's instructions or direction which relates with human actions. Human negative actions are tagged by name.

For example: If a man forcefully make love to a woman, the act is against God's will or commandment as you mentioned; and in human realm the act is called Rape.
Are you saying it is wrong to tag that disobedience
act Rape just because God doesn't care about tagging?

In Romans 1:24-29, Apostle Paul talked about s*xual perversion and he tagged them. Are you saying he is wrong for doing so?

Kobojunkie:
You are not called to preach the words of Paul, or any other doctrines or traditions of men, all of which Jesus declared as lies when put beside His teachings(Truth). You are instead commanded to teach the Gospel of the Kingdom of God, as Jesus Christ taught them to His followers. Anything else is not his Truth and hence not of Him.

KingdomTenets:

So what are the teaching of His kingdom in neglecting humanity and standard of God for us? Please back your point with Scriptural passages.

Kobojunkie:
Be sure of one thing and that is one thing... Jesus Christ did not call you to save humanity or souls. That lie maybe what you have been told by the many false prophets and preachers out there but not by Jesus Christ. He called you to educate you on the agreement between God and you, told you to die to your ego and carry only that which is your cross(not your family's , or your children's, or even your neighbors, but only that which is yours) if you want to become worthy of Him. Even after that, you are to continue accepting and obeying His commandments by the lead of the Spirit of God, doing, not your will, but the Will of God as laid down by His Spirit where His Kingdom, not Man's kingdom, is concerned.

You want scriptural backing, read through the 4 Gospels.

Kobojunkie:
Be sure of one thing and that is one thing... Jesus Christ did not call you to save humanity or souls. That lie maybe what you have been told by the many false prophets and preachers out there but not by Jesus Christ. He called you to educate you on the agreement between God and you, told you to die to your ego and carry only that which is your cross(not your family's , or your children's, or even your neighbors, but only that which is yours) if you want to become worthy of Him. Even after that, you are to continue accepting and obeying His commandments by the lead of the Spirit of God, doing, not your will, but the Will of God as laid down by His Spirit where His Kingdom, not Man's kingdom, is concerned.

You want scriptural backing, read through the 4 Gospels.

KingdomTenets:

I said, back your points with scriptures, you have refused to do that.
You can't just be saying what you feel, or what you were told without scriptural references.
Where is it written that Jesus Christ asked us not to save souls

KingdomTenets:


Seriously, I don't know where your teaching of the scriptures is coming from o!
How can you say Jesus didn't ask us to save souls?
We have been save to save others.

Matthew 10:5‭-‬15 AMP
5. Jesus sent out these twelve, instructing them: “Do not go among the Gentiles, and do not go into a city of the Samaritans;
6. but rather go to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
7. And as you go, preach, saying, ‘The kingdom of heaven is at hand.’
8. Heal the sick, raise the dead, cleanse the lepers, cast out demons. Freely you have received, freely give.
9. Do not take gold, or silver, or [even] copper money in your money belt,
10. or a provision bag for your journey, or even two tunics, or sandals, or a staff; for the worker deserves his support.
11. Whatever city or village you enter, ask who in it is worthy [who welcomes you and your message], and stay at his house until you leave [that city].
12. As you go into the house, give it your greeting [that is, ‘Peace be to this house’].
13. If [the family living in] the house is worthy [welcoming you and your message], give it your [blessing of] peace [that is, a blessing of well-being and prosperity, the favor of God]. But if it is not worthy, take back your blessing of peace.
14. Whoever does not welcome you, nor listen to your message, as you leave that house or city, shake the dust [of it] off your feet [in contempt, breaking all ties].
15. assure you and most solemnly say to you, it will be more tolerable on the day of judgment for the land of Sodom and Gomorrah than for that city [since it rejected the Messiah’s messenger].


Mark 16:15‭-‬18 AMP
15. And He said to them, “Go into all the world and preach the gospel to all creation.
16. He who has believed [in Me] and has been baptized will be saved [from the penalty of God’s wrath and judgment]; but he who has not believed will be condemned.
17. These signs will accompany those who have believed: in My name they will cast out demons, they will speak in new tongues;
18. they will pick up serpents, and if they drink anything deadly, it will not hurt them; they will lay hands on the sick, and they will get well.”


Matthew 28:18‭-‬20 AMP
18. Jesus came up and said to them, “All authority (all power of absolute rule) in heaven and on earth has been given to Me.
19. Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations [help the people to learn of Me, believe in Me, and obey My words], baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,
20. teaching them to observe everything that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always [remaining with you perpetually—regardless of circumstance, and on every occasion], even to the end of the age.”

Kobojunkie:
God gave you about 50-something commandments as part of His New Covenant and those commandments are what God has called you to accept(trust) and obey. Any other doctrines that assume to add or remove commandments from those He has set before you are lies that will only heal curses on those who follow them.

Your list which included such things as homosexuality, fornication, etc., is not according to what God gave you in His New Covenant and so by adding it , you against Him. That is why instead we are called to know the Truth( the teachings/commandments of Jesus Christ) so that the Truth will set us free from Sin by our acceptance (trust) and obedience.

Kobojunkie:
God gave you about 50-something commandments as part of His New Covenant and those commandments are what God has called you to accept(trust) and obey. Any other doctrines that assume to add or remove commandments from those He has set before you are lies that will only heal curses on those who follow them.

Your list which included such things as homosexuality, fornication, etc., is not according to what God gave you in His New Covenant and so by adding it , you against Him. That is why instead we are called to know the Truth( the teachings/commandments of Jesus Christ) so that the Truth will set us free from Sin by our acceptance (trust) and obedience.

Kobojunkie:
In none of the passages are you told that you would be saving souls - not a single one of them. Instead, Jesus Christ told His followers that those who believe the Gospel of the Kingdom of God are saved... not by you but by their belief in the Gospel Truth of Jesus Christ.

Jesus Christ did not ask you to "save souls". Instead, He asked you to teach the Gospel of the Kingdom of God(the same one He taught to His followers), to everyone else out there. And nowhere in His teachings did He tell you that you gain points for "saving/winning souls" either.

KingdomTenets:

Of course you are right, no man can save a soul, that power resides in Almighty Father; the term I intend to use is winning souls for God.
The act of going out to teach the gospel and people accepting that teaching, turning from darkness to light (Christ) is called Soul Winning.

KingdomTenets:

You said God doesn't care about tags and names such as adultery, fornication etc.
In Matthew 5 vs 27-30 you quoted earlier, Jesus actually tagged an act to Adultery. What He did was take it beyond the mere understanding of men (thinking adultery is only when the act is committed physically), revealing that polluting our imagination with such also equals the same sin.

Also, Matthew 19:3-9 you mentioned as well, Jesus recognised the term 'divorce'. He only elaborated on the rules guiding divorce and establish that it wasn't so from the beginning, because husband and wife are one and shouldn't be put asunder.

So your idea that tagging is alien to God is absurd, because acts are tagged, and Christ also use those tags to establish His teachings.

KingdomTenets:


Can I ask you,
-what are the 50 something commandments added to the New Testament?
-What are the teaching of Christ that He asked us to trust and obey?

Kobojunkie:
Nah! "Soul winning" is instead the practice of recruiting new customers for to fill seats in your churches in order to increase profits for the business.

What Jesus Christ instead called His followers to doing so preaching of the Gospel of the Kingdom of God, regardless of who or how many believe it.