Kingdomtruth:

Nice. Lastly, so how did you receive the SPIRIT in you? what and what exactly did you do to receive the GIFT of the SPIRIT?...Thanks

Thattallgirl:
Exactly. You're not getting what I'm asking. I'm asking you that didn't the disciples have a different life apart from following Jesus to places? Didn't they have wives or homes to rest before following Jesus the next day? And the answer is yes, cos even the Bible didn't record other days of Jesus. The whole 3and a half years He used for ministry wasn't all recorded there. There's one part of the Bible that says the world cannot contain all the miracles of Jesus. So if the Bible doesn't have the complete detail, who's to say the disciples didn't sin? Cos their lives from following Jesus wasn't recorded.

Thattallgirl:

You're saying they were perfect cos they obeyed all the laws, how do you know that? Do you know whether Peter shouted at his wife one morning? Or had a quarrel with his children one afternoon? Or other disciples too?

Dtruthspeaker:


Respectfully, I do not think that I should give you the answer here in Public for now you have delved into Private Matters that are not for Public Consumption!

Dtruthspeaker:


Now you are hiding "in the darkness of the Bible not containing the complete details", you can raise it up against me who does not have the True details of all that transpired but in A Court of God, it has never been A D'fence that "I sinned because, Peter Sinned, if not ask Adam/Eve, Ananias/Sapphira or Israel and the heathens.



It is Written "better the end than the beginning thereof"

Mark the Perfect man and behold the Upright; for the end of that man is Peace." Psalm 37:37.

With this I know this conversation has come to a proper end!

Thank you for at least engaging me!

Dtruthspeaker:


Again, you have departed from the Issue for you verily well knew that An award is only given at the end of a matter and I was speaking from their ends hence why I earlier said

Mark the Perfect man and behold the Upright; for the end of that man is Peace." Psalm 37:37.

"The Law of his God is in his heart; NONE OF HIS STEPS STEPS SHALL SLIDE! verse 31.

And you did not challenge it.

Thattallgirl:
Lol it's fine. You're in denial. I ask questions based on what verses you quote but when u feel like you're in a corner, you try to avoid it by bringing something else

Thattallgirl:

. Andr this last two verses... even you said that the Holy Spirit in us produces fruits in us. And I asked u if it's fruit of works or flesh that the verse wrote but you didn't challenge it either. And yes the Holy Spirit makes one perfect in Christ Jesus only.

Thattallgirl:

And this last verse? thank God it's written there that God's law is in his heart...not on paper or by someone telling them do this or do that. And Romans 2:13 that I explained,I asked you that if they didn't hear the law but know the law, how did that happen but u couldn't answer

And you're welcome...had a good time in our conversation.

Kingdomtruth:

Note at this point that: though, we are freed from the FLESH and have received the nature of CHRIST (HOLY SPIRIT) because we share in the DEATH of CHRIST on the CROSS by that, we still carry our OLD HEARTS.

Dtruthspeaker:


And this is your K.O at the highlighted "The Nature of Christ"

Are we not supposed to be Christ-Like not just only receiving and having his nature? (Be the perfect as your heavenly Father is perfect is The Law)

Yes, we are christ like already because we have His nature in us. But In the very comment you quoted, I told you that: while our salvation is IMMEDIATE, our becoming PERFECT like Christ is not IMMEDIATE but GRADUAL. The reason for this, is because we were bornt and brought up in the FLESH. But Christ in the opposite was bornt and brought up in HOLINESS. And He came to the world to transfer His life of HOLINESS to us who were all our lives UNHOLY. Hence, that life transfer from our UNHOLINESS to His HOLINESS will take time through our many falling and rising, trying to learn everything about Him until we finally become perfect like Him.

If you "carry your old hearts" how can you be like Christ?

That is why God joined our OLD HEARTS and HIS HEART together in what is called UNION WITH CHRIST. The reason is for us to learn everything about Him through our UNION with Him in order to become as PERFECT as He is.

Did Christ have any of your old heart fruits?

NO...Because He was never a carrier of the FLESH. He only decided to later share it(the FLESH) because of YOU and I for the purpose of DEATH in order to set us FREE. And after the CROSS EXPERIENCE, He together with us have become FREE from the FLESH till date.

Is your "old heart" compatible with Christ?

NO.

The Law is "Be Perfect as thy heavenly Father is Perfect"

And i just explained to you that: it is GRADUAL. As we continue to BEHOLD Him, we shall certainly become PERFECT like Him.

You have the duty and obligation to Be Perfect in Following after Christ and not resting on your bums!

Not by our STRENGTH my brother, but by His GRACE...GOOD AFTERNOON TO YOU

Kingdomtruth:

Yes, we are christ like already because we have His nature in us. But In the very comment you quoted, I told you that: while our salvation is IMMEDIATE, our becoming PERFECT like Christ is not IMMEDIATE but GRADUAL

Dtruthspeaker:


The highlighted is what I have been hammering on, for in it you have clearly admitted that we are not Perfect, which was what I have been going on about, thus let us all strive to be Perfect and Sinless as Christ!

Good afternoon brother!

Kingdomtruth:


And by striving to become perfect and sinless, you think you can do it by your STRENGTH without the HOLY SPIRIT?

Dtruthspeaker:


You said it, "we have His nature in us" Exactly as Written "God with Us", "In him was life; and the life was the light of men." therefore, I can Love The Lord my God, With All My Heart, And with All My Soul and WITH ALL MY STRENGTH including using the Strength of The Lord!

Kingdomtruth:

Even the scripture you quoted up there talks about the SPIRIT too...Well, I'm not trying to impose my believe on you. I believe that it is by FAITH alone through the SPIRIT that we are put right with God. But it is OK if you have a different believe than this...This is what I believe in and I do not have any reason whatsoever, to believe otherwise... A quick advise: Just hold on to what you believe and I will do same...However, I'll continue to pray for God's TRUTH to be revealed to all of us in Jesus' name.

Dtruthspeaker:


Yes it is Truly by Faith but I bet that beyond the Definition of Faith, you do not Truly know the Practical and Usufactory Application of it, just like Thattallgirl, or do you?

Kingdomtruth:

well, there is nothing to be applied for in the first place. As I do not live by any rule, regulation or ritual as far as my faith and life in Christ is...My FAITH is in Christ and Him crucified alone. He is the LIFE that I live and my one desire, is to continue to behold Him and His example everyday in order to become conformed to His image and likeness...So, I do not have to know how to apply anything. I live by GRACE

Dtruthspeaker:


Thereby Proving My Point that beyond the Definition of it, You Do not Know the Application of Faith by the Living and as you have Truly Confessed Above neither did y care to Know About it, or rather you were not able to figure out what it Truly and Practically means, As Abraham Did.

It is sufficient for you to just use your living for living sakes and living "outside" The Law ("As I do not live by any rule" meanwhile, "Outside" The Law is still Covered by Law, ditto: "The Law that says that you are Outside The Law!"

But it is your own bed you make and you shall lay on it as you have made it.

However, it is Established and Written that Abraham, LIVED by Faith and living is and has always been A PRACTICAL ACTIVITY REQUIRING ACTIONS and CERTAIN OTHER ACTIONS!

It is Written "My people perish for lack of knowledge; where No Counsel is, the people fall"

Give instruction to a wise man, and he will be yet wiser: teach A Just Man, and he will increase in learning. but fools reject (despise) wisdom and instruction.

The way of a fool is right in his own eyes: but he that hearkeneth unto counsel is wise.

These and Many More, are The Laws I Choose to Consciously and Willfully Live By, not just just living for living sakes or as some others would say, "not just existing"!

I Choose to Consciously and Willfully Live and not just live because I have been given life to live!

Kingdomtruth:


Good morning bro.

Like I said before, it's a good thing that you have your SURE way that you BELIEVE is the GOSPEL TRUTH, I equally do though differently. I advise that you stick to what you believe in and I will do same. Wishing that we'll all come to know the TRUTH one day i PRAY in Jesus' name...Stay well brother

Dtruthspeaker:


Good morning my brother, I hear you loud and clear but I am beseeching you and begging you and everyone else out here, that the way you go, which is in Contravention of Any of God's Law, Is Wrong and you would be Condemned There by The Law which you could have kept but you failed to do so. What in Law is Called the Sin of Omission!