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What Does South South Even Mean? by zhuche(m): 1:47am On Jun 18, 2021
Since the president considered people of the south east as dot, I've been thinking and wondering how South South came about.

We don't have anything like
North North or East East or West West

So how come South South?

Please anyone with an explanation?
Re: What Does South South Even Mean? by Rugaria: 2:04am On Jun 18, 2021
Just a tag created by vindictive former Nigerian military officers to galvanize enough division between the South East and her minority neighbors..
Take a look at the shape of the mao of the socalled South South.. it looks like "U" with the South East in the middle... It was designed that way to achieve a "dot" status for the SE.. Doesn't make sense geographically and won't help much as Nigeria implodes..

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Re: What Does South South Even Mean? by Kdon2: 2:23am On Jun 18, 2021
zhuche:
Since the president considered people of the south east as dot, I've been thinking and wondering how South South came about.

We don't have anything like
North North or East East or West West

So how come South South?

Please anyone with an explanation?

S to op asking foolish question

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Re: What Does South South Even Mean? by paxx: 2:31am On Jun 18, 2021
It's called gerrymandering. "A practice intended to establish an unfair political advantage for a particular party or group by manipulating the boundaries of electoral districts," Very common around the world.

An example of this is the city Port Harcourt, a city native to the Ikwerre. Ikwerre is a IGBO language yet somehow All of a sudden Port Harcourt is not apart of Igboland and Ikwerre people are not igbo? The FG just wants to divide and conquer us lol

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Re: What Does South South Even Mean? by Rissamenti: 2:33am On Jun 18, 2021
zhuche:
Since the president considered people of the south east as dot, I've been thinking and wondering how South South came about.

We don't have anything like
North North or East East or West West

So how come South South?

Please anyone with an explanation?

It is that oil producing part of Nigeria which accounts for 95% of Nigeria's oil deposits, and which you Igbos will NEVER EVER be allowed to steal and corner for yourselves under the guise of 'self determination'.

THIEVES.

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Re: What Does South South Even Mean? by naptu2: 2:52am On Jun 18, 2021
zhuche:
Since the president considered people of the south east as dot, I've been thinking and wondering how South South came about.

We don't have anything like
North North or East East or West West

So how come South South?

Please anyone with an explanation?

Former Vice President Alex Ekwueme created it. It is a geo-political region and you don't have to have North-North, East-East or West-West in order to have South-South (It's just like how you have the Mid-West and the South-Central in the United States. Even the world is divided into geo-political regions like the Middle-East and the Far East). I will post Ekwueme's explanation of why he created it.

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Re: What Does South South Even Mean? by naptu2: 2:54am On Jun 18, 2021
zhuche:
Since the president considered people of the south east as dot, I've been thinking and wondering how South South came about.

We don't have anything like
North North or East East or West West

So how come South South?

Please anyone with an explanation?


How Ekwueme, Bisi Onabanjo plotted six geopolitical zones from prison

ON NOVEMBER 25, 2017
5:59 AM


The idea of the six geopolitical zones looks brilliant. Was it your idea alone?

The only other person who contributed to it was my friend, Bisi Onabanjo. Two of us discussed this in prison.


It was from there you now took it to the Constitutional Conference where it was adopted?
Well, it wasn’t. But Abacha adopted it. The conference itself didn’t adopt it; they wanted the status quo to remain because it was in the interest of some people to maintain the status quo.


Some have suggested the abolition of the states and for the six geopolitical zones to become the federating bodies. Do you concur?

The states don’t have to be abolished. It is a matter of nomenclature. When we had Eastern Region, we had 12 provinces which Michael Okpara created. Ogoja province, Calabar Province, Uyo Province, Annang Province, Enugu Province, Onitsha Province, Owerri Province, Umuahia Province and Port-Harcourt Province, Degema Province. There were six provinces in the minority areas and six in the Igbo areas, and all these provinces had their provincial commissioners, had their assemblies and had their provincial scholarship boards.

So, it is a matter of nomenclature. The states should be provinces of the regions. I am putting together a book called Nigeria: Thoughts on the provision of a stable polity, and in that book, there is an article by Shehu Shagari that states should become provinces of the regions.

Eventually, when I met with him when I was putting together these ideas, he said that he found that his suggestion was not very well accepted, so he wasn’t pursuing it anymore.



What kind of political structure do you think will make Nigeria politically and economically viable?

Going back to history we negotiated over a decade starting from Ibadan Conference in 1951 up to the conferences in Nigeria in London and so on until independence in 1960 – a ten year period of negotiation and in the end what Nigerians agreed with the colonial masters on what would be the form of government on the basis of which they would be given independence was a federal form of government made up of three regions – North, East and West.

That was the form of government agreed with each region autonomous in many respects and with each region having its own Constitution and the Constitutions of the three regions annexed to the Federal Constitution in one document and with each region being able to develop at its own pace.

You will see for instance, Eastern Region that started as the poorest region, by 1966 the leadership had established agricultural plantations, rubber, cocoa plantations in Cross River State, palm in Anambra, Imo, Rivers and so on and they had industries, like Trans Amadi Industrial Estate in Port Harcourt, they were able to negotiate with foreign countries and were able to build the brewery in Umuahia, ceramic factory in Umuahia, the Calabar Cement Factory and there was development. They were able to build the University of Nigeria before the Federal Government took it over ten years after.

So, each region was given the freedom to exercise its initiative. It was Eastern Region that first started the Pay As You Earn tax in Nigeria. That was the creation of -21- Bon Ejike— the first minister of finance of Eastern Region in 1952 – Pay As You Earn, automatic deduction from salary. It was first started in Eastern Nigeria because when the region was founded they had to find means of raising money. It was in the East that they first started Entertainment Tax, if you went to cinema if it was One and Six, you paid three pence tax to the government.

People used their initiative. If you went to the North you would find groundnut pyramids in Kano everywhere. In the West, cocoa was booming and they used it to invest property in Lagos, Western House, WEMABOD, Cocoa House in Ibadan all that was based on the initiative. Even free education in the West and so on.

I did my analysis while I was in Kirikiri Prison, the only problem with the form of government that we had with that structure was that it was lopsided. The structure of the regions at independence was such that one region, the North was said to have been bigger than the two other regions, East and West and when even Mid-West was created the North was still bigger than East, West and Midwest and in a parliamentary system based on population, the membership of the parliament allocated more seats to Northern Region than to all other regions put together.

If as they did in the North, they all decided to go into one party, a Northern party, and they elected all their legislators on that party, then they would continue to have the leadership of the country for ever which would not be palatable to the rest of the country. That was one fault in the disparity in the size of the regions.

The second problem I discovered was that within each region, you had majority group and a group of minorities. In the West, the Yoruba were the majority group, and the minority group was what grouped together in what became the Midwest. In the East, the Igbo were the majority and the minority group called themselves the COR State – Calabar, Ogoja, Rivers. In the North, Hausa Fulani were the majority group and the minority were mostly the Middle Belt and to some extent, the Kanuri.

So, you had a struggle within each region between the majority and the minority. So, I decided to cure these two problems that we must have parity of regions between the Old North and the Old South and that was why I decided to have parity of geopolitical zones between the North and the South.

And it also helped to have parity between the majority regions and the minority regions; the majority regions being in the Northwest, mostly Hausa-Fulani, Southwest, mostly Yoruba and the Southeast , mostly Igbo; and the minority regions being Northeast where you have the Kanuri with a number of ethnic groups in Bauchi, Gombe, Adamawa and Taraba; and in the North Central you have Benue, Plateau, Nasarawa, Kogi, Kwara, Niger; and in the South you have the minorities in the former Midwestern Region and the minority of the Southeast region who together formed the South-South.

So instead of three regions, you now have six regions; three majority, three minority; three in the North, three in the South – parity between North and South, parity between majority and minority and the apportionment of representation would be as we negotiated with our colonial masters on the basis of which we got our independence.



What of representation at the National Assembly?

That will have to recognise the type of assembly we should have. Before we had a House of Representatives which was a House of the people based on population and we had a Senate which was based on equality of the regions.

So, in a real federation, the lower House represents the equality of all human beings within the country. Like in America, a state like Rhode Island will have two senators, New York will have two senators, California will have two senators, all the states will have two senators showing equality of the states in the upper chamber and equality of human beings means that New York may have 50 men in the House of Representatives whereas Nevada or North Dakota may have just two or three.

So would you go along with those who say that we should adopt a unicameral legislature to reduce cost?

In a federation, it won’t be wise to have one legislative body as you will have nothing to show that all the federating units are equal. It is the upper chamber that signifies the equality of the federating units.

The only problem is that we copied and abused it whereby we have full-time lawmakers. In the First Republic they had only one Long Session which lasted about six weeks for the consideration of the Appropriation Act and then another one for the Supplementary Appropriation Act, so they had two major sessions, and any other session was an emergency session lasting a few days, and they were all part-time members.

When they came, they were quartered in flats LEGCO Flats and they got sitting allowances on top of their salaries and salary wasn’t very much. Many of them were teachers, some local government officials and so on. But now, everybody who goes to the House of Representatives is a full-time person; he needs a fully furnished house, he needs legislative aides, he needs a constituency office.

Yes, all these are supposed to enhance the legislative process, but they cost a lot of money and how far this competence is enhanced is a matter of concern to some well-meaning people, because you find that some of these constituency offices, and there are some around here, you go there, and you just find a table and a chair, and you ask whether this is where a member of the House of Representatives is going to sit down and draft laws to be presented to the National Assembly? So, it is not a matter of having a single chamber just to save cost.

It is a matter of not adopting the American system hook, line, and sinker. But even in America, the congressmen have just modest accommodation in Washington; they take every opportunity to go back to their constituencies to stay with the people who elected them and to brief them on what is happening.

Will you then suggest that we go back to the parliamentary system with part-time legislators?

I am not advocating for a parliamentary system. I am ok with the presidential system, but it doesn’t have to have two chambers with full-time legislators assigned with a lot of staff, having staff at home and staff in Abuja.

https://www.vanguardngr.com/2017/11/ekwueme-bisi-onabanajo-plotted-six-geopolitical-zones-prison/

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Re: What Does South South Even Mean? by paxx: 3:15am On Jun 18, 2021
Only non igbos think that we are trying to steal Nigeria's oil. Many people in the delta consider themselves and even speak Igbo. Only on nairaland.com do I hear otherwise

Rissamenti:


It is that oil producing part of Nigeria which accounts for 95% of Nigeria's oil deposits, and which you Igbos will NEVER EVER be allowed to steal and corner for yourselves under the guise of 'self determination'.

THIEVES.
Re: What Does South South Even Mean? by orisa37: 6:07am On Jun 18, 2021
NON IGBOS AND NOT YORUBAS.

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Re: What Does South South Even Mean? by limeta(f): 7:34am On Jun 18, 2021
[quote author=paxx post=102834352]Only non igbos think that we are trying to steal Nigeria's oil. Many people in the delta consider themselves and even speak Igbo. Only on nairaland.com do I hear otherwise
Re: What Does South South Even Mean? by Monogamy: 7:36am On Jun 18, 2021

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Re: What Does South South Even Mean? by gidgiddy: 7:49am On Jun 18, 2021
Rissamenti:


It is that oil producing part of Nigeria which accounts for 95% of Nigeria's oil deposits, and which you Igbos will NEVER EVER be allowed to steal and corner for yourselves under the guise of 'self determination'.

THIEVES.

You mean the area you Northerners have long been stealing their oil wealth since the end of the war, and hope to keep stealing for as long as possible, in the name of "one Nigeria"

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Re: What Does South South Even Mean? by zhuche(m): 8:13am On Jun 18, 2021
Kdon2:


S to op asking foolish question


I know you have never done research in your life before, please if you don't have anything to say, just read and pass.
Re: What Does South South Even Mean? by mekaboy(m): 8:20am On Jun 18, 2021
It means people that don't want to be forced into kanu's fraudulent biafran business.

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Re: What Does South South Even Mean? by Ekpeitit(m): 9:11am On Jun 18, 2021
zhuche:
Since the president considered people of the south east as dot, I've been thinking and wondering how South South came about.

We don't have anything like
North North or East East or West West

So how come South South?

Please anyone with an explanation?
Re: What Does South South Even Mean? by Ekpeitit(m): 9:15am On Jun 18, 2021
South South was created because the minority tribes of the Niger Delta had enough of Igbo tribalism and wanted to get out of the South East. The South South people are very happy where they are now.
If you don't like it you can keep crying.

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Re: What Does South South Even Mean? by Ekpeitit(m): 9:16am On Jun 18, 2021
paxx:
It's called gerrymandering. "A practice intended to establish an unfair political advantage for a particular party or group by manipulating the boundaries of electoral districts," Very common around the world.

An example of this is the city Port Harcourt, a city native to the Ikwerre. Ikwerre is a IGBO language yet somehow All of a sudden Port Harcourt is not apart of Igboland and Ikwerre people are not igbo? The FG just wants to divide and conquer us lol
Re: What Does South South Even Mean? by Ekpeitit(m): 9:22am On Jun 18, 2021
Point of correction- Ikwere is Ikwere not Igbo.
The Ikwere people speak Ikwere language which is similar to Igbo language.
The Efiks are Efiks not Ibibios, the Efiks speak Efik language which is similar to Ibibio. The Annangs are Annangs not Ibibios, the Annangs speak Annang which is similar to Ibibio.
The Oron are Oron not Ibibio, the Oron people speak Oron language which is similar to Ibibio.
Stop being needy and desperate, the Ikweres have told you a million times that they're not Igbos.
Learn how to survive on your own,too much attachment is not good.

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Re: What Does South South Even Mean? by Kdon2: 9:41am On Jun 18, 2021
zhuche:



I know you have never done research in your life before, please if you don't have anything to say, just read and pass.

Research indeed
Re: What Does South South Even Mean? by IJOBA11: 10:19am On Jun 18, 2021
Rugaria:
Just a tag created by vindictive former Nigerian military officers to galvanize enough division between the South East and her minority neighbors..
Take a look at the shape of the mao of the socalled South South.. it looks like "U" with the South East in the middle... It was designed that way to achieve a "dot" status for the SE.. Doesn't make sense geographically and won't help much as Nigeria implodes..
YOU GUYS SHOULD STOP BEGGING FOR UNITY, ALLOW THOSE BORORO INSPIRED WE NIGER-DELTA TO REST.


LET US WORK TOWARDS IGBO NATION

NA BODY GO TELL THOSE IDIOTS WEY FULANI TERRORISTS DEY DECEIVE WITH SOUTHERN MONIKERS FOR NAIRALAND >,(
Re: What Does South South Even Mean? by Morenikeji090(m): 10:30am On Jun 18, 2021
Guy the problem is Igbo you need to ask that question from. Think it urself how igbo migrated folks are running away from them its deep man..... Check majority of Yoruba migrated folks they never run away frm us they are always proud to say we came frm youba and we are Yoruba.
paxx:
It's called gerrymandering. "A practice intended to establish an unfair political advantage for a particular party or group by manipulating the boundaries of electoral districts," Very common around the world.

An example of this is the city Port Harcourt, a city native to the Ikwerre. Ikwerre is a IGBO language yet somehow All of a sudden Port Harcourt is not apart of Igboland and Ikwerre people are not igbo? The FG just wants to divide and conquer us lol

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Re: What Does South South Even Mean? by Perfectbeing(m): 10:47am On Jun 18, 2021
Rugaria:
Just a tag created by vindictive former Nigerian military officers to galvanize enough division between the South East and her minority neighbors..
Take a look at the shape of the mao of the socalled South South.. it looks like "U" with the South East in the middle... It was designed that way to achieve a "dot" status for the SE.. Doesn't make sense geographically and won't help much as Nigeria implodes..
South South was created by Alex Ekwueme et al
Re: What Does South South Even Mean? by tutudesz: 10:48am On Jun 18, 2021
zhuche:
Since the president considered people of the south east as dot, I've been thinking and wondering how South South came about.

We don't have anything like
North North or East East or West West

So how come South South?

Please anyone with an explanation?
Are you guys not tired of creating new topics on South South Everyday 20-30 topic on South South shocked
We are not against biafra neither are we in support

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Re: What Does South South Even Mean? by Idiko1: 11:53am On Jun 18, 2021
zhuche:
Since the president considered people of the south east as dot, I've been thinking and wondering how South South came about.

We don't have anything like
North North or East East or West West

So how come South South?

Please anyone with an explanation?

Bro it is for nothing Nigeria is called basket of fools. Foolishness is legitimate in Nigeria. I guess South-south of Nigeria is Atlantic Ocean.
Re: What Does South South Even Mean? by Rugaria: 1:34pm On Jun 18, 2021
IJOBA11:
YOU GUYS SHOULD STOP BEGGING FOR UNITY, ALLOW THOSE BORORO INSPIRED WE NIGER-DELTA TO REST.


LET US WORK TOWARDS IGBO NATION

NA BODY GO TELL THOSE IDIOTS WEY FULANI TERRORISTS DEY DECEIVE WITH SOUTHERN MONIKERS FOR NAIRALAND >,(

Please don't quote me to talk about b"begging" again..
I don't know what's wrong with you dafts!
I stated a very simple position; the boundaries of the former Eastern Nigeria can ONLY be determined by the people of these areas and not by some longer throats from Futaa jallon and Futaa Torro!

I don't know how that amounts to "begging"..
Buhari who comes all the way from Guinea is already talking of encircling Igbos in their ancestral lands, "so they can't go anywhere"! That obviously shows you what the plan is! To desperately lynch the east with a sterile border that can easily be militarized using runaway militants to truncate the waterways..
Buhari, Abacha, Babangida or Obasanjo can not dictate the South East borders!
Simple!
Re: What Does South South Even Mean? by Rugaria: 1:36pm On Jun 18, 2021
paxx:
It's called gerrymandering. "A practice intended to establish an unfair political advantage for a particular party or group by manipulating the boundaries of electoral districts," Very common around the world.

An example of this is the city Port Harcourt, a city native to the Ikwerre. Ikwerre is a IGBO language yet somehow All of a sudden Port Harcourt is not apart of Igboland and Ikwerre people are not igbo? The FG just wants to divide and conquer us lol
Lecture them!
They're too politically naive to know..

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Re: What Does South South Even Mean? by paxx: 2:47pm On Jun 18, 2021
This simply isn't true. The Ikwerre "have long been thought of as part of the larger Igbo group." Ikwerre is in the IBGBOID language group which is why many dialects of the Ikwerre language are similar to the Igbo Language.

"The Ikwerre are generally considered by a great majority of scholars as a subgroup of the Igbo people of southeastern Nigeria.[3][4][5]" I can provide links.

Ekpeitit:
Point of correction- Ikwere is Ikwere not Igbo.
The Ikwere people speak Ikwere language which is similar to Igbo language.
The Efiks are Efiks not Ibibios, the Efiks speak Efik language which is similar to Ibibio. The Annangs are Annangs not Ibibios, the Annangs speak Annang which is similar to Ibibio.
The Oron are Oron not Ibibio, the Oron people speak Oron language which is similar to Ibibio.
Stop being needy and desperate, the Ikweres have told you a million times that they're not Igbos.
Learn how to survive on your own,too much attachment is not good.

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