jstbeinhonest:



He won FIFA World Cup Golden Ball and Title 1970,
He won FIFA World Cup Silver Ball and FIFA World Cup Silver Boot and Title in 1958,
He won the Copa America Best Player,
Copa América Top Scorer and Copa title in 1959

I think Leo has a better Club career whereas Pelè had a better National team career.You can also make a case that Pelè played in the 'stone age',no media pressure,no sport science....who knows he might have doped.

Leo is the greatest to me,but i think its ok to think Pelè is greater.However,comparing him to CR is delusional.He needs this Copa to win the Maradona battle though....

Maradonna won a world cup for his country my guy...so...be calm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xkfn2RU7eeU


Shaqiri's goal...


Dayo should like this...

liveLongNprospa:

Maradonna won a world cup for his country my guy...so...be calm

Matthaus,Charlton,Kempes,Garrincha....all of these guys have single handedly won the WC for their countries,so what?.
Maradona dominated world football for just 4 years.
Maradona neither won Copa Liberdotores nor Champions League,He was also caught doping.He is not better than Cruyff,Di Stefano in my books.Messi to me is 2nd behind Pelè.He does not need the Copa to be greater than Diego,IMO,though it would surely clear some doubts.

I am impressed with Bale... Yes he is a fantantic player...

hinohsend:


Matthaus,Charlton,Kempes,Garrincha....all of these guys have single handedly won the WC for their countries,so what?.
Maradona dominated world football for just 4 years.
Maradona neither won Copa Liberdotores nor Champions League,He was also caught doping.He is not better than Cruyff,Di Stefano in my books.Messi to me is 2nd behind Pelè.He does not need the Copa to be greater than Diego,IMO,though it would surely clear some doubts.

Can u explain how sir Bobby Charlton..or Mathias or even knows single handedly won the EC for dia countries? Are u sure it's the same Diego Maradonna we r talking bout?

I dnt think winning this copa will make leo any greater/lesser of a great but it will sure clear doubts about his performance for ARG, he deserves dis one after leading dem to d 3rd final in 3 years. He z bin so unlucky with d NT, hope his luck changes tomorrow

BarcaBlood:
I dnt think winning this copa will make leo any greater/lesser of a great but it will sure clear doubts about his performance for ARG, he deserves dis one after leading dem to d 3rd final in 3 years. He z bin so unlucky with d NT, hope his luck changes tomorrow

Good post.

liveLongNprospa:
Is dis one ok?... Hope u know Pele has 3worldcup trophies?

And how many Champions League?

BarcaBlood:
I dnt think winning this copa will make leo any greater/lesser of a great but it will sure clear doubts about his performance for ARG, he deserves dis one after leading dem to d 3rd final in 3 years. He z bin so unlucky with d NT, hope his luck changes tomorrow

I really subscribe to this. Messi winning wouldn't in any way make his detractors see in a better light than before, they would always wanna play the world cup card. Plus, Messi winning or not winning wouldn't add or subtract an iota of greatness in his already illustrious career.

For me, he is the G.O.A.T.

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dmcdad:

And how many Champions League?

Really bro... really...3 world cups...nd u r asking about the UCL... atleast if u wanna defend Messi...be creative

This Euros sha.

dmcdad:

And how many Champions League?

What is champions league to Pele?

Portugal just qualified for the QF,despite their poor start to this campaign,after this they'll play Poland,if they win,they'll face Wales/Belgium.And Viola!,they are in the final.No Spain,Germany, France or Italy......Why do I feel this same thing happened in this just concluded season.

hinohsend:
Portugal just qualified for the QF,despite their poor start to this campaign,after this they'll play Poland,if they win,they'll face Wales/Belgium.And Viola!,they are in the final.No Spain,Germany, France or Italy......Why do I feel this same thing happened in this just concluded season.

lool. easy route it is for cr7 and co but dey didn't choose who dey will face, and if dey go on 2 win it den i think dey would av deserved it. a champion is d one dat wins when it matters most . if a team's time has come to excel, no army can stop it

GBR1:
Good post.

gracias boss

dmcdad:

I really subscribe to this. Messi winning wouldn't in any way make his detractors see in a better light than before, they would always wanna play the world cup card. Plus, Messi winning or not winning wouldn't add or subtract an iota of greatness in his already illustrious career.

For me, he is the G.O.A.T.

true talk. leo nt winning any trophy yet wit his country is a classical example of "the rich also crying " pele and maradona didnt win copa america, delima ronaldo didnt win d ucl etc. sh!t happens

BarcaBlood:



true talk. leo nt winning any trophy yet wit his country is a classical example of "the rich also crying " pele and maradona didnt win copa america, delima ronaldo didnt win d ucl etc. sh!t happens

Pele and Maradona both won the Copa....meanwhile Colombia just scored,Carlos Bacca....Pity he is almost 30.

hinohsend:



Pele and Maradona both won the Copa....meanwhile Colombia just scored,Carlos Bacca....Pity he is almost 30.

Nope they didn't win it. Colombia are the third best team in this year's Copa. Hope Messi's Argentina wins it

GBR1:

What is champions league to Pele?

A trophy! Or should I narrow it to his own continent? Copa Libertadores...?

You didn't know my motive for asking that question, yet you quickly came up with this question. Hmmmm. No wahala sha.

BarcaBlood:



true talk. leo nt winning any trophy yet wit his country is a classical example of "the rich also crying " pele and maradona didnt win copa america, delima ronaldo didnt win d ucl etc. sh!t happens

Exactly! Shiit sure happens.

liveLongNprospa:
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Really bro... really...3 world cups...nd u r asking about the UCL... atleast if u wanna defend Messi...be creative

I asked you a simple question bruv... That question stemmed from the fact that sometimes you can't win it all, but of course you wouldn't see it in that light. De Lima not winning the UCL, does it in any way take away his legendary status as one of, if not the best striker in the last 30 years?

I know the importance of the world cup in the lives of every footballer. Infact, the importance of WC can never be overemphasised. But sometimes in a view to criticising Messi specifically, some of you bring up some funny and annoying factors against him, but when it comes to your idol Ronaldo, then we start hearing excuses.

Is it just about world cups? There are other trophies that make up the footie world revolve. Are you saying because a footballer has won the UCL then it's okay if he didn't win any league title? Of course it's paramount to win the league too, albeit one is greater than the other in terms of importance, yet, that doesn't make the other less important than it is.

I hope you catch my drift. I no get time for arguments abeg. Just wanted to let you see my POV.

dmcdad:

A trophy! Or should I narrow it to his own continent? Copa Libertadores...?

You didn't know my motive for asking that question, yet you quickly came up with this question. Hmmmm. No wahala sha.

You shouldn't have asked that question whatever your motive might be and you'll soon understand why.

Say your motive now; let's see how much it'll change.

dmcdad:

I asked you a simple question bruv... That question stemmed from the fact that sometimes you can't win it all, but of course you wouldn't see it in that light. De Lima not winning the UCL, does it in any way take away his legendary status as one of, if not the best striker in the last 30 years?

I know the importance of the world cup in the lives of every footballer. Infact, the importance of WC can never be overemphasised. But sometimes in a view to criticising Messi specifically, some of you bring up some funny and annoying factors against him, but when it comes to your idol Ronaldo, then we start hearing excuses.

Is it just about world cups? There are other trophies that make up the footie world revolve. Are you saying because a footballer has won the UCL then it's okay if he didn't win any league title? Of course it's paramount to win the league too, albeit one is greater than the other in terms of importance, yet, that doesn't make the other less important than it is.

I hope you catch my drift. I no get time for arguments abeg. Just wanted to let you see my POV.

Bruv..wen u win 1 WC I can make a case for Messi...wen d person even wins 2WC I can still make case(impossible as it sounds) but wen u win 3 WC...IF U LIKE CARRY 10UCLs...dey will not compare to winning the WC 3times...if u like paint it anyhow you like...that's the cold truth...m not even gonna talk about the oda trophies Pele won...or his stats... Messi is a great no doubt but what Pele has achieved is smtin else.. Player of the century nor be beans my brother...let us not forget this century still has a long way before finish..who knows d players dah will tk over from CR7 N MESSi...

GBR1:

You shouldn't have asked that question whatever your motive might be and you'll soon understand why.

Say your motive now; let's see how much it'll change.

I guess I already did with the post below the last one I quoted you. Seen? That spells it.

Am I right or not?

please what time is the final

rozayx5:
please what time is the final

1 am tomorrow.

GBR1:
1 am tomorrow.

thanks i pray mobdro does not disapppint

dmcdad:

I guess I already did with the post below the last one I quoted you. Seen? That spells it.

Am I right or not?

I don't think Ronaldo's legacy is gonna come even close to Messi's but I think people get too ahead of themselves when they place him close to Pele or even Maradona.

It gets extremely debateable then.

GBR1:

I don't think Ronaldo's legacy is gonna come even close to Messi's but I think people get too ahead of themselves when they place him close to Pele or even Maradona.

It gets extremely debateable then.

I never compared Ronaldo to Messi. I just brought him in as a reference to prove my point that sometimes you can't win it all. Nevertheless, IMO Messi has done more than enough to earn national glory, but then, there comes the clogs in his wheels.

Honestly, Pelé wouldn't have done it without Garincha. Do you know many folks say Pelé is over-rated in that Garincha was better? More like the duo of Ronaldinho and Eto'o. Garincha was the catalyst behind everything, while Pelé was the goal poacher. At the end of the day, Pelé got all the glory while Garincha went unnoticed by a vast majority.

As for Maradona, IMHO too, I don't think he did more than Messi. Given, on the international stage, yes he did but Messi kills him with club football. Although it can be argued that Messi benefited from having better teammates in club level, yet such can be said of Maradona too on the international stage at the time. Meanwhile, some people misappropriately say Maradona singlehandedly won the world cup in 86. While he did a lot to win that trophy, coupled with his hand-of-god move, it ain't entirely true too.

Now, my point is this... Teammates matter a great deal. Messi had done and is still doing alot to give Argentina something tangible. While it's true that he is not the same player at Barça, it is also true that he doesn't play the same role in Argentina. Role here and not about position. In Barça, he is the reference point. Everything flows with and through him. In Argentina that ain't the case. He is just another team player, hence, the sometimes occasional passive game like an average player. If Higuain and the rest had done the needful at the time, then this never-ending argument would have been more favourable to him.

Finally, I understand your stand. And like you rightly pointed out, it gets extremely debatable. But the factor we should take cognizance of is that, while those days country football was the opium and the all-and-all in footie, nowadays it's not so much.

This is always a never-ending debate. A merry-go-round even. Even if Messi wins this Copa, I still think a lot would still downplay his impact or achievement on the international stage. I feel his only saving grace would be a world cup trophy. And that at this time would almost be impossible. So the debate lingers on...

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