@My Joe
Most part of this resrarch are based on hypothesis and conjectures not any real fact. Mostly, the research was only based on the assumption that homosexuality is an entirely congenital disease as opposed to whether it can be aquired without any congenital connections.
I find most part of the research especially this parts: ( Men with the active and women with the passive form of acquired homosexuality. Such men look masculine and possess male-type sexuality. Correspondingly, the women possess feminine features and female type of sexual behavior. "Their pathological attraction to the opposite $ex forms also on the basis of conditioned reflex, usually at the juvenile age."
Exactly what scientific proof do they have that their homosexual attraction possibly emanated at juvenile age and was on the basis of conditioned reflex and not triggered off by say, the environment or exposure to non-pathological factors that could have triggered off the attractions.
When they say conditioned reflex, they did not tell us if the factors that conditioned their reflexes are pathologically acquired or prolly a genetic disorder that only began to show its effects at juvenile age.
All these are just conjectural and hypothetic explainations, they leave many questions unanswered.
My point is while yes, it can be argued that some men have characteristics regarded as typical of a woman(effeminate males) and the women vice vesa(tom boys), that still does not form the basis to argue that every effeminate male or tomboy female is most likely going to be gay at some point in their lives. That appears to be the argument of this research, they have unwittingly and conveniently avoid telling us wether it can be aquired by mere curiosity and conditioning of the mind as opposed to the fancy "conditioned reflex" they are telling us.
After all, there are cases of people who had hitherto thought they were gay, only to try it and switch back to being heterosexual since they just did not see the point of their sexuality ambivalence.
I still stand on my argument, there is no such thing as homosexual genes, may be a dis-order, fine! But the former? That will remain anybody's guess.

Sagamite:

No, it is not my subjective interpretation. It is a robust interpretation. And, yes, the supreme court judges of America can be wrong. I am not one to see them as right always or some Gods.

Sure. I quoted them to highlight a particular position. It’s just one of positions out there.

Sagamite:
All my interpretation requires is evidence of animals that "evince a clear rejection of intimacy with the opposite sex" as well before I can accept the proof that there are Gay animals, not animals that swing both ways and have "gay behaviours". The objective and robust approach is that gay animals need to be gay, not act gay.

Lol. Ok, is see. In human sexuality, there is a spectrum that runs from “straight” to “gay”. That is, there are people who only dig the opposite sex and are repulsed by the very thought of getting down with someone of the same sex, while there are others who only dig someone of the same sex and will not have anything to do with someone of the same sex if they have any choice in the matter. In between you will find those who are “bi-curious”, and those who “swing both ways” everyday and enjoy it. What you seem to be saying is that the fact of bi-sexual animals is not good enough, you want strictly gay boars, cocks and billy-goats. Well, there’s a lot of text out there on the matter but I’m not sure of strictly gay animals yet and I certainly don’t recall any of my granny’s billy-goats which was strictly at the end of the gay spectrum.

Sagamite:
I am sure I have heard of therapy for paedos.

Yes, I said so.

Sagamite:
So if they feel therapy might cure paedos, why can't we explore same for gays?

Because there is no consensus that homosexuality is a problem the way there is about paedophilia. But there have been no shortage of what you recommend, since there are gays who consider it a problem to be solved. It has met with very little success yet. Still, I’d like to live in a world where they succeed, as I still don’t know exactly what I will do if my own son were to tell me he is gay.

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rhymz:

@My Joe
Most part of this resrarch are based on hypothesis and conjectures not any real fact. Mostly, the research was only based on the assumption that homosexuality is an entirely congenital disease as opposed to whether it can be aquired without any congenital connections.

That is not the impression I get from reading the excerpt.

rhymz:
I find most part of the research especially this parts: ( Men with the active and women with the passive form of acquired homosexuality. Such men look masculine and possess male-type sexuality. Correspondingly, the women possess feminine features and female type of sexual behavior. "Their pathological attraction to the opposite $ex forms also on the basis of conditioned reflex, usually at the juvenile age."
Exactly what scientific proof do they have that their homosexual attraction possibly emanated at juvenile age and was on the basis of conditioned reflex and not triggered off by say, the environment or exposure to non-pathological factors that could have triggered off the attractions.

Well, what proof do those who insist on the contrary have? Have you personally spoken to people with homosexual tendencies on this matter? In any case, I don’t’ see any rejection of the possibilities you have outlined occurring in some cases. I was once told of the lady who refused to have anything to do with men. She wasn’t practicing lesbianism in secondary school since she knew nothing about it. But one day, already into adulthood and still shunning men, she looked at her unclothed self in the mirror and felt excited. That was how her exploration started and she wound up a practicing homosexual. Conditioned reflex at juvenile age? Genetic? How do I know. But certainly not environmental. So what is it? Perhaps I should read the whole report.

rhymz:
When they say conditioned reflex, they did not tell us if the factors that conditioned their reflexes are pathologically acquired or prolly a genetic disorder that only began to show its effects at juvenile age.

Right. Conditioned reflex during adolescence as a possible cause of homosexual behaviour needs to be expounded upon. Maybe they did, not sure.

rhymz:
All these are just conjectural and hypothetic explainations, they leave many questions unanswered.

Yeah. They leave many questions unanswered. But they actually spent time and money carrying out researches. They were not merely conjecturing.

rhymz:
My point is while yes, it can be argued that some men have characteristics regarded as typical of a woman(effeminate males) and the women vice vesa(tom boys), that still does not form the basis to argue that every[/b]effeminate male or tomboy female is most likely going to be gay at some point in their lives.

Right, it doesn’t. And I don’t think they argue that [b]every. . .  But what about some? I wrote this earlier:

MyJoe:
The congenital nature of homosexuality is backed up by scientific studies which found that the female-type sexual behavior can form in genetic males and the male-type sexual behavior can form in genetic females as a result of hormonal misbalance during a certain stage of embryogenesis. This problem with all the scientific studies that have been conducted on this subject, though, is that they have found no single factor, such as the one above, explains all cases of homosexuality.

If you don’t agree with the highlighted, how about hermaphrodites? If someone can be born with fully developed, visible male and female organs, is it not possibly, in fact, highly likely, that there are others born with… er, invisible ones? I mean, is it not likely there are people born with visible male organs but are possessed internally of those hormones or whatever it is that make women feel attracted to men?

rhymz:
That appears to be the argument of this research, they have unwittingly and conveniently avoid telling us wether it can be aquired by mere curiosity and conditioning of the mind as opposed to the fancy "conditioned reflex" they are telling us.
After all, there are cases of people who had hitherto thought they were gay, only to try it and switch back to being heterosexual since they just did not see the point of their sexuality ambivalence.

They are clear there is no single cause for homosexuality. I think that takes care of your argument above. Personally, I don’t reject the possibility there are people who became homosexual out of some gross kind of curiosity.

rhymz:
I still stand on my argument, there is no such thing as homosexual genes, may be a dis-order, fine! But the former? That will remain anybody's guess.

Actually, it remains anybody’s guess. We have no proof there are no homosexual genes anymore than we have that there are. But, yeah, I find the idea of physiological malformation more compelling.

MyJoe:

Lol. Ok, is see. In human sexuality, there is a spectrum that runs from “straight” to “gay”. That is, there are people who only dig the opposite sex and are repulsed by the very thought of getting down with someone of the same sex, while there are others who only dig someone of the same sex and will not have anything to do with someone of the same sex if they have any choice in the matter. In between you will find those who are “bi-curious”, and those who “swing both ways” everyday and enjoy it. What you seem to be saying is that the fact of bi-sexual animals is not good enough, you want strictly gay boars, cocks and billy-goats. Well, there’s a lot of text out there on the matter but I’m not sure of strictly gay animals yet and I certainly don’t recall any of my granny’s billy-goats which was strictly at the end of the gay spectrum.

Unfortunately that is the standard I need to accept there are gay animals.

And I don't accept literature considering the cameratography I have seen on BBC and Discovery Channel. If it exists, it should and would have been filmable.

MyJoe:

Because there is no consensus that homosexuality is a problem the way there is about paedophilia. But there have been no shortage of what you recommend, since there are gays who consider it a problem to be solved. It has met with very little success yet. Still, I’d like to live in a world where they succeed, as I still don’t know exactly what I will do if my own son were to tell me he is gay.

That is the problem.

They don't see it as a problem so they are not investigating it sufficiently. Scientist can even be harassed or victimised for trying to find a cure.

I really don't think there is any environment and financial support at the moment or in the last 30 years put into or conducive enough to consider the problem. So I really think their is a shortage. At the moment, all we have is the loudest winning the battle, not logic and facts. Decisions on it are made by governments for political reasons, not rational reasons.

I would love to see some clarity. If they are natural and there is no cure, I can learn to tolerate. I would not be bullied or harassed into accepting it by some silly, progressive-wannabe, open-minded-by-force, follow-the-crowd deluded crew into accepting homosexuality when it is so disgusting and unnatural.

I have an open-mind, I need them to fill it with logic and facts, then I will change my view.

The dude don suck prick don tire . . . .

Lmfaooo I guess my belief that Israeli Jews have the right exist makes me Jewish. Sagamit u are a standard MOR.ON.

udezue:

Lmfaooo I guess my belief that Israeli Jews have the right exist makes me Jewish. Sagamit u are a standard MOR.ON.

Cretin! It is not normal, it is child abuse.

Sagamice, were u abused as a child? Take it easy ok but I don't think that's why u turned GAY. Accept yourself.

udezue:

Sagamice, were u abused as a child? Take it easy ok but I don't think that's why u turned GAY. Accept yourself.

Cretin! It is not normal, it is child abuse.

It shouldn't have happened. It was not your fault, you were taken advantage of.

"Any fool can criticize, condemn, and complain but it takes character and self control to be understanding and forgiving.”


The funniest thing though in life is that it is those who criticize "too strongly" that are always found to be perpetrators of what they criticize.

There is indeed cure for Homosexuality, according to an ex-Gay psychotherapist:


http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26315908/#34320738

My Joe
The fact still remains that there is'nt any shred of evidence to support the born gay myth.
There are billions of public dollars and tremendous political power resting on the public mis-conception regarding the origins of sexual deviancy, and therein lies the reason for this departure from reason.
Gone are the days of ethics in science, nowadays most public policies and opinions based on "science" are merely junk science fashioned to serve political purposes.
The fact that homosexuality has  become so prevalent in certain societies like in the west-where there are legislations and powerful lobby groups to protect the act compared to other societies like in Nigeria where it is seriously frowned at and there are no laws or powerful lobby groups to support it indicates that widespread homosexual practices has a behavioral and societal component. If we allow homosexual behavior to be accepted as merely one more alternative and accepted lifestyle, we are running the risk of having our own societies degenerate into a sexual equivalent of the west. Not very savory models to emulate.
If homosexuality is not a matter of indulgent preference then how does one explain other sexual deviances such as paedophilia or bestiality?
Obviously, there is a strong possibility of either an abnormal psychosocial development or a delayed one like many researchers on this subject have hypothesized. And  I think in a lot of cases that these deviancies are indulged with full consent of the will and see nothing wrong with the behavior.
I have read extensively especially on the works of Laura .S. Allen & D.F Swaab on the anatomical structure of the brains of both homosexuals & heterosexual males as it relates to their sexual behaviour.
Swaab concentrated on the hypothalamus region called the suprachiasmatic nucleus(SCN). In the homosexual brains he examined, a small portion of the hypothalamus, termed the suprachiasmatic nucleus (SCN) was found to be twice the size of its heterosexual counterpart.
And in a separate research Laura Allen found that the anterior commissure (AC) of the hypothalamus was also significantly larger in the homosexual subjects than that of the heterosexuals. This differentials in their brain anatomy they hypothesize may be responsible for their differing sexual orientation.
However, the problem with their results is that both the SCN & AC  are not involved in the regulation of sexual behaviour, this makes the size differentials results highly unlikely.
The most discussed research by Simon Levay for instance got me confused a lot of the time, especially with the complexities of his samples which included gay men that died of AIDs. He did not explore the probable effect of the disease & antivirils on their brains.
He did not say anything about the sexual orientation of his supposedly heterosexual males and some gay men brain segments were more "male" than some of the heterosexual men's. The whole research to me, seem more like a confusing mix of a pre-defined motive to make excuse for such preference by making it a prenatal sexual differentition of the brain, yet that remains to be seen by his results.
One thing is obvious though, there seem to be a deliberate attempt not to find solution to the problem of homosexuality especially in the west where it is heavily supported by regulations and presented not as a mental disorder but as a congenital disease that should be tolerated.
I have read somewhere about some kind of aversion techniques and its moderate success in turning homosexuals to heterosexuals, why not improve on such researchs unstead indulging homosexualism and making cases for them like they, homosexuals are not interested to be cured they would rather be queer than make any attempt to change.
And finally, another possibility is if sexual preference can actually condition the brain to adapt to a certain a sexual behaviour due to constant expsoure to same-sex and its related activities. These are possibilties theat have deliberately been ignored by gay right activist in their quest to gain more recognition.

A man married to another man?

But  plaese o ,how him go shyyt na?


lol@ . . .bring him home to eat bitter leaf.

Ibo kwenu ibo kwesonu e

This Chika guy is cracking me up. You know, he might just be the female in this relationship. I wonder who his umunna are. Has he even done his traditional?

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