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Slain In The Spirit - Pure And Absolute Heresy by Nobody: 9:04pm On Jun 07, 2011
Many today are enamored with a phenomenon called "slain in the spirit," which is sweeping through many denominations. What does the phrase "slain in the spirit" mean? Do we find evidence of such activity in the Scriptures? Do historical and modern "slain in the spirit" services produce manifestations that could be considered occultic in origin? Who is the power behind "slain in the spirit" activity? Do we have a responsibility to ascertain whether such activity is godly or ungodly?

I John 4:1 provides this command: "Believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God because many false prophets are gone out into the world." Most Christians are aware that cults or New Age sects are backed by false prophets and evil spirits. However, too many Christians are unwilling to honestly assess the spirit behind their own assembly or favorite televangelist.

Australian author, Nader Mikhaiel, in his book entitled, Toronto Blessing: "Slaying in the Spirit, the Telling Wonder," starts his evaluation by asking, "What would your response be to the account of the following New York missionary?"

During the 1800's, cripples, paralytics and the blind were healed "as in the days of old, by laying on of hands in the name of Jesus," under a New York missionaries ministry. Healing recipients, praising God, rushed to gather ill friends and neighbors who were also healed. Seeing the miracles, converts clamored to receive baptism and join the church, of a Mormon missionary.

Biblical theology soundly refutes the central teachings of Mormonism as blatantly cultic and unscriptural. Until one discovers that the missionary was Mormon, such testimony is apt to inspire an elated chorus of "Hallelujah! Praise the Lord! Thank you, Jesus!" The moral of this anecdote is: just because miracles occur, Jesus is not necessarily the power behind them.

From this anecdote we also learn that we must be careful not to call evil good or good evil. What complicates matters is the fact that the whole issue of spiritual gifts divides the body of Christ. We need to honestly evaluate the "slain in the spirit phenomenon without dogmatically jumping into our camp of choice. While some Christians refuse to believe that God works in signs and wonders today, others will accept any spiritual manna they find without discerning its origin. Religious history is rife with spiritual excesses and demonic activities that were concealed "for the good of the work." Inordinate emotionalism, for the most part, can be gracefully accepted. As for the cases of actual demonic activity, it is common knowledge that the enemy of our souls will always attempt to thwart or counterfeit the genuine work of God. However, this does not excuse Christians from their responsibility to honestly examine controversial movements and ministries.

Both the early American frontier camp revivals and California's famous Asuza Street meetings (circa 1908), known for "slain phenomena, provide examples of controversial movements that necessitated examination. For the moment we will focus on the associated signs, rather than the "slain" phenomenon itself. Frontier camp meetings exhibited the following problematic behavior:

* While "Slain in the Spirit," people unconsciously stripped or exhibited lewd behavior.'

* Special patrols, discouraged lascivious activities around the camp perimeters.

* People while "slain in the Spirit" writhed barked and howled"

* Azusa Street meetings also had problems with mediums and familiar spirits controlling church meetings.

A contemporary movement, called the "Toronto Blessing," has exhibited many of these manifestations. According to George Koch's article, "The Force or 'Pumped, Scooped, Charged and Slain'", the Toronto Blessing was the product of So. African Evangelist Rodney Howard-Browne's "laughing-revival" crusades. Koch states that "The phenomenon included infectious laughter, spasms, resting in the spirit, and a variety of noises that some describe as sounding like animals." Koch is worried by the parallels he sees between this movement and manifestations associated with the "shaktipat" of practitioners like Swami Muktanada. Shaktipat is defined as the "art of transferring supernatural Hindu powers from one person to another." After the swami touched a follower, that person would fall unconscious, shake uncontrollably, or laugh ecstatically.

Dr. Pat Dixon, in his book Signs of Revival, endorses the Toronto Blessing movement and associated manifestations. He states, "[Altered States of Consciousness] are, the key to understanding many Christian experiences, particularly in what is happening to many churches today, we may refer to this as a trance or hypnosis."' Hypnosis, considered demonic by Christendom, has always been associated with occultists, shamans, sorcerers and others of their ilk.

In The Toronto Blessing. Slain in the Spirit. the Telling Wonder, Mikhaiel devotes more than one hundred pages to a comparison between hypnotically induced behavior and "slain" behavior. After studying the phenomena, he offers several conclusions:

* Non-Christians can receive the Toronto Blessing and remain unsaved.

* Analysis is not conducive to experiencing the manifestations.

* True prayer stops the manifestations.

* The invoking of the Blood of Jesus stops the manifestations.

* Manifestations may cause people to get out of line with Scripture.

* Manifestations "may cause people to forget about Jesus. "

* Manifestations allow people to experience supernatural power without devotion to Jesus.

Mikhaiel also includes statistics on the study of 350 people who were "healed" at Charles S. Price's revival in British Columbia. Following are the results of the six month follow-up study: 301 people remained sick, 39 died and 5 had become insane. Five claimed that they had remained healed. When a charismatic service leaves sham healings, death and insanity in its wake, Christians are disgraced and God is impugned!

Now that we have examined historical examples of Toronto Blessing type manifestations and other "slain" activity, let us explore the scriptural data that appears to parallel the "slain in the spirit" phenomena. Since phrases like "slain in the spirit" and "under the power" do not appear in the Bible, we must take an indirect approach.

Do we find evidence that people "fell" when prophets, apostles or Jesus of Nazareth laid hands on them? No. Matthew 19:13-15 records an incident where Jesus prayed for a group of children. Do the Scriptures say, "He laid hands on them and the children fell at his feet"? No. Jesus put his hands on the children, prayed, and went away. John chapter twenty records that Jesus breathed on his disciples, blessed them and said, "Receive the Holy Spirit." Did they fall? Not according to the scriptural account. Do we find evidence that people ever "fell" in the presence of Jesus? Yes. However, not one incident is linked with the laying on of hands.

Is there evidence of people falling during divine visitations? Yes. Let us examine a few Scriptures that describe "falling behavior" in such situations. When Daniel fainted during an angelic encounter, the angel touched him and commanded him to rise (Dan. 8:16-18). Twice, when Ezekiel fell in the Lord's presence, the Spirit entered the prophet and helped him stand (Ezekiel ch 2-3). When the Father commended his Son on the Mount of Transfiguration the disciples fell to the ground (Matt. 17:5-7). Jesus ". . .touched them and said,' Arise and be not afraid."'

Honest exegesis demands that we do not omit those Scriptures that contain encounters where the fallen were not commanded to rise. Genesis 17 specifically records an incident where Abraham fell and apparently stayed prone as the Lord conversed with him. Revelation 1:10-19 records a riveting account where John, while "in the Spirit on the Lord's day, fell as if dead." Jesus laid his hand on John and said, "Fear not," but did not command him to stand. Ignoring Scripture references such as these could lead one to the false conclusion that it is improper to remain prone before the Lord!

Following are two more examples of falling behavior. Note that in both instances the people involved were hostile to the Lord. The first happened in the Garden of Gethsemane when Judas betrayed the Lord to the temple guards (John 18:3-6). Also, Saul (prior to becoming the Apostle Paul) became blind and fell on the Damascus Road when confronted by Jesus for persecuting Christians (Acts 9:3-9).

Many incidents of "falling behavior" are recorded throughout the Bible, but it is not clear whether people fell "under the power" or were overcome with awe, fear or anxiety. While this sampling of scriptural "falling behavior" provides possible precedent for a "slain" phenomena, it seems like the "falling" that occurs in many Spirit-led services is not the same as that which is portrayed in the Bible.

In his book, Mikhaiel defines the phenomenon and cites several differences between scriptural "falling" and modern-day "falling." The following is his definition of the "slain in the spirit" phenomena:

"[It] usually starts with the leader inviting people with physical, emotional, or spiritual needs forward, as the leader begins to lay hands on the individuals, some fall backwards. They are usually caught by "catchers," who prevent them from falling directly on the floor. Some lie quietly on the floor, others jerk, twitch, laugh, weep,, roar like lions, bark, howl or cluck like chickens. Others might jump up and down, roll on the floor, and some see visions."

* Mikhaiel contends that scriptural "falling" and modern-day "falling" are quite dissimilar.

* God (or angels), not people, caused every "spiritual" falling mentioned in the Bible.

* Modern falling usually occurs when people come to the front to be touched or pushed.

* "Catchers" are not scriptural.

* No scriptural personage was ever healed after participating in a "falling exercise."'"

Note also that it is highly significant that in the Scriptural occurrences of "falling" God encountered people as individuals and had special, not trivial, revelation to communicate. When God met these individuals they were not in a corporate setting and their response to the Lord was one of fear and awe, not laughter. In the few incidences where God confronted multitudes of people, and some or all fell, the purpose was often for judgment, not blessing, and their falling was caused by great fear at God's overwhelming presence.

Mikhaiel, having researched the "slain" phenomena, feels that most of the manifestations that occur in many churches today are either faked or occultic. At the conclusion of a chapter entitled, "The Spirit Behind the Manifestations," Mikhaiel states that "This is not the work of the Holy Spirit, but the one who comes to steal, kill and destroy."" While Mikhaiel definitely believes that all phenomena associated with "falling behavior," from tongues to "under the power" healings are suspect, his research is certainly worthy of serious consideration.

Watchman Nee, a Chinese evangelist, proposed similar observations during a series of lectures in 1928. Nee stated that "Man's soul power is Satan's working instrument" and that soul power will be used in the last-days as a substitute for God's gospel and power. He further predicted that many last-day Christians would be deceived by Satan's use of this counterfeit power."

How can we discern the spirit behind such manifestations? Several tests may help our discernment: the Scripture Test, the Fruit Test, the Person Test and the Wilderness Temptation Test.

Scripture Test: We must honestly compare all such manifestations to the Scriptures. Since the phrase "slain in the Spirit" cannot be found in the Scriptures, that in itself should cause us to question the validity of the phenomenon.

Fruit Test:

We must judge spiritual leaders and their ministry by the fruits that are produced. Note that success, power, influence and wealth in themselves do not validate a minister or his ministry. Many people look at the "buds" of a spiritual leader or his ministry and pass judgment before the "fruit" has time to mature.

Person Test:

Remember that the Holy Spirit is a Person, not an impersonal power to be wielded. Simon the Sorcerer made that mistake in Acts 8. Many practitioners of "slain" activity communicate that the Holy Spirit is an impersonal force that can be controlled by Christians. Such a view is unscriptural because the Holy Spirit is intelligent (1 Cor. 2:10-11), has feelings (Eph. 4:30) and has a will (1 Cor. 12:1).

Wilderness Temptation Test:

Take note of the temptations of Christ in Matthew 4!

First, Satan tempted Jesus to immediately satisfy His needs rather than wait for God's wisdom and timing.

Second, Satan tempted Jesus to substitute His own will for God's will and use supernatural power to bring it to pass. God is not a genie-in-a-lamp whose purpose is to grant our every wish. When we try to use Scripture or supernatural power to bend God's Word or God's Will to our will, it is like using magical incantations to alter reality. When you hear teachings that say "God must grant any petition you want and He has to do it NOW," because of verses like Matthew 18:19, beware! Also, remember that Joseph wanted to escape from prison, but he did not get out until God's purpose was fulfilled!

Third, Satan tempted Jesus to trade worship and service to God for power and possessions. This third form of temptation can come in an obvious form as in Matthew 4:8-9. Crafty being that Satan is, however, he often uses a more subtle approach.

Scripture says, "For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also." Neither authority nor wealth are wrong. But if authority or wealth are your treasures, rather than worship or service to God, it is sin. Just as Satan tempted Christ with these temptations, he will tempt Christians today. When examined closely, many statements issued by those associated with "slain" or Toronto Blessing type ministries fail one or more of the above tests!

Many have failed to test the spirits and have been duped into teaching twisted doctrines of seducing spirits. Other teachers have knowingly become false prophets or sold themselves into immoral bondage. Sadly, many deceived Christians, when they discover their error, refuse to admit their mistake. Pride and ignorance hinder many Christians from testing the spirits today, especially concerning contemporary Toronto Blessing and other "slain in the spirit" movements.

Conclusion

Just because signs and wonders, including the "slain in the spirit" phenomenon, occur "in the church," that does not mean that Jesus is the power behind them. There is little doubt to the discerning that many Christians today are being exposed to seducing spirits and Christianized New Age philosophies on an unprecedented scale. Whether much "slain" activity occurs because of lack of knowledge, fakery, hypnotic suggestion or evil spirits, Biblical precedent for "falling behavior" does exist. However, the genuine "slain in the Spirit" experience, as portrayed in Scripture, often differs radically from the "falling behavior" associated with past and present religious services. Christians must test the spirits and observe both the fruit of the spiritual leader and his ministry. Members of the body must always remember to seek Jesus Christ himself, not his signs or gifts. Following after people whose ministries display great supernatural power, whether they are genuine servants of God or servants of evil spirits, can lead to spiritual shipwreck.

While some Christians will refuse to test the spirits as commanded in I John 4:1, others will jump aboard the bandwagon which emphatically denies that Jesus works today, at all, in signs, wonders and spiritual gifts - especially when it comes to tongues or a prophetical word of knowledge. Both extremes are bad. We must remember that Jesus was not addressing New Age devotees when he spoke the famous words of Matthew 7:22, "Many will say to me in that day, 'Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in your name? And in your name have cast out devils? And in your name have done wonderful works?' And then I will profess unto them, 'I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity."


http://www.searchingtogether.org/articles/oconner/slain.htm
Re: Slain In The Spirit - Pure And Absolute Heresy by Joagbaje(m): 7:48am On Jun 08, 2011
what do you say about the experience of falling here? Jesus was a heretic?

Mark 9:25-27
25 When Jesus saw that the people came running together, he rebuked the foul spirit, saying unto him, Thou dumb and deaf spirit, I charge thee, come out of him, and enter no more into him. 26 And the spirit cried, and rent him sore, and came out of him: and he was as one dead; insomuch that many said, He is dead. 27 But Jesus took him by the hand, and lifted him up; and he arose
.

Obviously you don't cast out devils. Tell me if I'm wrong in this. Because if you do, you will be aquainted with these experiences.
Re: Slain In The Spirit - Pure And Absolute Heresy by Nobody: 8:27am On Jun 08, 2011
@joabaje: Slain in the spirit and casting out of demons are same? Did you even read the post?
Re: Slain In The Spirit - Pure And Absolute Heresy by dare2think: 9:52am On Jun 08, 2011
@ joagbaje

have you cast out demons before?
Re: Slain In The Spirit - Pure And Absolute Heresy by Azibalua(f): 9:56am On Jun 08, 2011
musKeeto:

Slain in the spirit and casting out of demons are same? Did you even read the post?

Please explain
Re: Slain In The Spirit - Pure And Absolute Heresy by Joagbaje(m): 10:28am On Jun 08, 2011
@ dare2think
dare2think:

@ joagbaje
have you cast out demons before?

Very often , and that's not boasting , every christian have that authority.


@ musKeeto
musKeeto:

@joabaje: Slain in the spirit and casting out of demons are same? Did you even read the post?

When you cast out devils, people often fall, that's "slain" even though I don't like the use of the term. "fall" is simple enough. The main point here is, when the power of God comes upon a Person, it can result into any manifestation. It doesn't have to be a fall,  but the fall does takes place, other manifestations like shouts can take place.
Re: Slain In The Spirit - Pure And Absolute Heresy by Nobody: 10:35am On Jun 08, 2011
^^

So since we have almost everybody in Christ embassy slain falling down in the spirit, then they might all be possessed embarassed embarassed embarassed embarassed


grin grin grin grin grin
Re: Slain In The Spirit - Pure And Absolute Heresy by Joagbaje(m): 10:39am On Jun 08, 2011
^^^
It's not only on the ground of demonic cases people fall. When the power of God comes upon a person, the legs may give way. Besides it's not everybody that falls .

I Don't think Jesus was casting out devils here.

John 18:6
6 As soon then as he had said unto them, I am he, they went backward, and fell to the ground.
Re: Slain In The Spirit - Pure And Absolute Heresy by Nobody: 10:44am On Jun 08, 2011
^^^


Lol, the people who fell down where the heathen and not the disciples.

Please tell me of any incident when any of the apostles or disciples fell down at the same time or even at any other time throughout their time with Jesus.

Jesus was totally filled up to the brim with the Holy Spirit and yet we never heard of anyone falling throughout his ministry except those who were demon possessed or the heathen soldiers who came to arrest him.

And tell me Pastor, why are you so keen on people falling, does that boost your ego as a great man of God.  undecided undecided
Re: Slain In The Spirit - Pure And Absolute Heresy by Joagbaje(m): 10:49am On Jun 08, 2011
^^^
Is that your escape? The power of God does the same on Any human body, either christian or not. Thats why I asked you if  you do cast out devils . If you are filled with the holygost and minister to others by the spirit , you will be acquainted with these things.
Re: Slain In The Spirit - Pure And Absolute Heresy by Nobody: 11:16am On Jun 08, 2011
^^


A really pitiful state !!!!!


I can see that you are more interested in wealth , signs and wonder doctrines and practices THAN HOLINESS , RIGHTEOUSNESS, MERCY AND TRUTH.
Re: Slain In The Spirit - Pure And Absolute Heresy by Joagbaje(m): 11:20am On Jun 08, 2011
When you guys get boxed in, you start launching insults. What has our discussion got to do with wealth? Froebel, humble yourself.
Re: Slain In The Spirit - Pure And Absolute Heresy by Nobody: 11:47am On Jun 08, 2011
If anyone knows how to take scriptures out of context, they need to meet jo'hnterry'abaje for tutorials

John 18:1-11 NLT

After saying these things, Jesus crossed the Kidron Valley with his disciples and entered a grove of olive trees. Judas, the betrayer, knew this place, because Jesus had often gone there with his disciples. The leading priests and Pharisees had given Judas a contingent of Roman soldiers and Temple guards to accompany him. Now with blazing torches, lanterns, and weapons, they arrived at the olive grove.
Jesus fully realized all that was going to happen to him, so he stepped forward to meet them. "Who are you looking for?" he asked.
"Jesus the Nazarene," they replied.
"I AM he," Jesus said. (Judas, who betrayed him, was standing with them.) As Jesus said "I AM he," they all drew back and fell to the ground! Once more he asked them, "Who are you looking for?"
And again they replied, "Jesus the Nazarene."
"I told you that I AM he," Jesus said. "And since I am the one you want, let these others go." He did this to fulfill his own statement: "I did not lose a single one of those you have given me."
Then Simon Peter drew a sword and slashed off the right ear of Malchus, the high priest's slave. But Jesus said to Peter, "Put your sword back into its sheath. Shall I not drink from the cup of suffering the Father has given me?"

Was Jesus casting demons out of those who came to arrest him, or he was filling them with the Holy spirit?
Re: Slain In The Spirit - Pure And Absolute Heresy by Joagbaje(m): 12:02pm On Jun 08, 2011
What's all the long empty post about . Did I say he was filling them with the holysipirt? I said when the power of God come upon a person , they can fall, the human body can give way under the power. Either it's for blessing or healing or casing out devils .
Re: Slain In The Spirit - Pure And Absolute Heresy by Azibalua(f): 1:13pm On Jun 08, 2011
@ muskeeto
Not so fast you have some explaining to do ,
You saidInsert
Slain in the spirit and casting out of demons are same? Did you even read the post?
Don't keep me waiting
Re: Slain In The Spirit - Pure And Absolute Heresy by Nobody: 1:39pm On Jun 08, 2011
So essentially you're saying that the power of God came down on his captors, and then they got up and arrested him?

Please correct me if Im wrong, and try not to be ambiguous in your reply.
Re: Slain In The Spirit - Pure And Absolute Heresy by Nobody: 2:00pm On Jun 08, 2011
Azibalua:

@ muskeeto
Not so fast you have some explaining to do ,
You saidInsert
Slain in the spirit and casting out of demons are same? Did you even read the post?
Don't keep me waiting

So you are one of those who would rather seek after signs and wonders than walk in holiness and righteousness all the days of your life ?

"to rescue us from the hand of our enemies, and to enable us to serve him without fear in holiness and righteousness before him all our days." - Luke 1:74-75
Re: Slain In The Spirit - Pure And Absolute Heresy by Nobody: 4:31pm On Jun 08, 2011
I lead, Azibalua follows cool
Re: Slain In The Spirit - Pure And Absolute Heresy by Azibalua(f): 5:17pm On Jun 08, 2011
@ frosbel
Are you mosqeeto?
If you are not let him answer for himself
Re: Slain In The Spirit - Pure And Absolute Heresy by Nobody: 6:40pm On Jun 08, 2011
@Azibalua

Alright, I'll stoop to your level. Someone always has to care for the needy

My post
musKeeto:

@joabaje: Slain in the spirit and casting out of demons are same? Did you even read the post?

This post was in reference to this

Jo'hnterry'abaje's post
Joagbaje:

what do you say about the experience of falling here? Jesus was a heretic?

Mark 9:25-27
25 When Jesus saw that the people came running together, he rebuked the foul spirit, saying unto him, Thou dumb and deaf spirit, I charge thee, come out of him, and enter no more into him. 26 And the spirit cried, and rent him sore, and came out of him: and he was as one dead; insomuch that many said, He is dead. 27 But Jesus took him by the hand, and lifted him up; and he arose
.

Hopefully, you'll understand that the above post was in response to Frosbel's topic

frosbel:

[b]
Do we find evidence that people "fell" when prophets, apostles or Jesus of Nazareth laid hands on them? No. Matthew 19:13-15 records an incident where Jesus prayed for a group of children. Do the Scriptures say, "He laid hands on them and the children fell at his feet"? No. Jesus put his hands on the children, prayed, and went away. John chapter twenty records that Jesus breathed on his disciples, blessed them and said, "Receive the Holy Spirit." Did they fall? Not according to the scriptural account. Do we find evidence that people ever "fell" in the presence of Jesus? Yes. However, not one incident is linked with the laying on of hands.

Is there evidence of people falling during divine visitations? Yes. Let us examine a few Scriptures that describe "falling behavior" in such situations. When Daniel fainted during an angelic encounter, the angel touched him and commanded him to rise (Dan. 8:16-18). Twice, when Ezekiel fell in the Lord's presence, the Spirit entered the prophet and helped him stand (Ezekiel ch 2-3). When the Father commended his Son on the Mount of Transfiguration the disciples fell to the ground (Matt. 17:5-7). Jesus ". . .touched them and said,' Arise and be not afraid."'

Genesis 17 specifically records an incident where Abraham fell and apparently stayed prone as the Lord conversed with him. Revelation 1:10-19 records a riveting account where John, while "in the Spirit on the Lord's day, fell as if dead." Jesus laid his hand on John and said, "Fear not," but did not command him to stand. Ignoring Scripture references such as these could lead one to the false conclusion that it is improper to remain prone before the Lord!

Following are two more examples of falling behavior. Note that in both instances the people involved were hostile to the Lord. The first happened in the Garden of Gethsemane when Judas betrayed the Lord to the temple guards (John 18:3-6). Also, Saul (prior to becoming the Apostle Paul) became blind and fell on the Damascus Road when confronted by Jesus for persecuting Christians (Acts 9:3-9).

Many incidents of "falling behavior" are recorded throughout the Bible, but it is not clear whether people fell "under the power" or were overcome with awe, fear or anxiety. While this sampling of scriptural "falling behavior" provides possible precedent for a "slain" phenomena, it seems like the "falling" that occurs in many Spirit-led services is not the same as that which is portrayed in the Bible.

[It] usually starts with the leader inviting people with physical, emotional, or spiritual needs forward, as the leader begins to lay hands on the individuals, some fall backwards. They are usually caught by "catchers," who prevent them from falling directly on the floor. Some lie quietly on the floor, others jerk, twitch, laugh, weep,, roar like lions, bark, howl or cluck like chickens. Others might jump up and down, roll on the floor, and some see visions."

[/b]

As it's clearly stated, Frosbel wasn't referring to demon exorcism but the POWER OF THE HOLY SPIRIT.

Jo'hnterry'abaje asked a question in which he quoted Jesus casting a demon out of someone.

My question was asked in order to find out if both were one and the same.

Later on
musKeeto:

So essentially you're saying that the power of God came down on his captors, and then they got up and arrested him?

Please correct me if Im wrong, and try not to be ambiguous in your reply.

The fact jo'hnterry'abaje hasn't replied to this yet speaks for itself.
Re: Slain In The Spirit - Pure And Absolute Heresy by Nobody: 6:42pm On Jun 08, 2011
In case you'd call this a reply, I'd be kind enough to look over such ignorance
Joagbaje:

What's all the long empty post about . Did I say he was filling them with the holysipirt? I said when the power of God come upon a person , they can fall, the human body can give way under the power. Either it's for blessing or healing or casing out devils .
Re: Slain In The Spirit - Pure And Absolute Heresy by free123: 7:20pm On Jun 08, 2011
moskeeto
the same jo is replying u as azibalua
Re: Slain In The Spirit - Pure And Absolute Heresy by nuclearboy(m): 10:23pm On Jun 08, 2011
Amazing that the Word says the Spirit is subject to the Prophet but supposed believers say the Spirit throws you around to prove its power.

Which should we trust - Bible or "pastors"?

And I really love that understanding that the spirit "landed" on the Soldiers & imbued them with power to arrest Jesus wink How Spiritual!?
Re: Slain In The Spirit - Pure And Absolute Heresy by Jalive: 10:36am On Jun 09, 2011
See guys, its whether you believe it or not, been slain in the spirit is a not a subject to argue about. If you ever get to experience the awesome presence of the Holy Spirit, your perception will change. It is one of the numerous manifestations of the presence of Holy Spirit so dont put it on the pastor.
Re: Slain In The Spirit - Pure And Absolute Heresy by PstRotimi1: 10:53am On Jun 09, 2011
So you are one of those who would rather seek after signs and wonders than walk in holiness and righteousness all the days of your life ?

"to rescue us from the hand of our enemies, and to enable us to serve him without fear in holiness and righteousness before him all our days." - Luke 1:74-75


@frosbel: one of the attributes of the last days is that many will have a form of godliness but deny the power thereof (2 Tim3:5). See as christians, we are meant to be balanced. God has given us the grace to be holy, He already made us righteous and these are ingredients to experience the power of God. The power of God is meant for service. What is the essence of holiness when we do not engage in evangelism? The devil has blinded the eyes of many to the truth and put quite some into bondage (sickness, disease, poverty, failure etc) and you need the power of God to break the yoke of the devil over the people.
Re: Slain In The Spirit - Pure And Absolute Heresy by nlMediator: 3:11pm On Jun 09, 2011
When the anointing of God is present, a lot of things may happen, including falling and various manifestations. While laying of hands sometimes triggers the manifestations, you do not even need to lay hands on anybody to see it happen. Seeing God's power at work is not rocket science. If you spend time in prayer and the Word and have a bit of understanding of the person of the Holy Ghost, you'll see these things work in your life, without asking. One of the things that cemented my faith in Jesus was hearing or reading about the things of God and then applying them, with similar results. It became clear to me that the life of God is real. And that realization many years back is part of what is keeping me in the faith today, especially when surrounded by people in environments that make belief in God sound stupid.
Re: Slain In The Spirit - Pure And Absolute Heresy by PstRotimi1: 3:28pm On Jun 09, 2011
When the anointing of God is present, a lot of things may happen, including falling and various manifestations. While laying of hands sometimes triggers the manifestations, you do not even need to lay hands on anybody to see it happen. Seeing God's power at work is not rocket science. If you spend time in prayer and the Word and have a bit of understanding of the person of the Holy Ghost, you'll see these things work in your life, without asking. One of the things that cemented my faith in Jesus was hearing or reading about the things of God and then applying them, with similar results. It became clear to me that the life of God is real. And that realization many years back is part of what is keeping me in the faith today, especially when surrounded by people in environments that make belief in God sound silly.


I agree
Re: Slain In The Spirit - Pure And Absolute Heresy by Nobody: 3:36pm On Jun 09, 2011
When the anointing of God is present, a lot of things may happen, including falling and various manifestations.


That's your emphasis , falling , falling and more falling to prove that you have the Spirit of GOD, what arrant nonsense,

The proof that you have the HOLY Spirit is that you can overcome SIN .

If you are still living in SIN, lying, gossiping, sexual lust, drunkenness, slander, malice , covetousness, pride etc then you do not have the SPIRIT of GOD.


As many as are led the the Spirit of GOD, these are the children of GOD. The Spirit of GOD leads us into obeying the commandments of GOD not disobeying them and barking like dogs while crawling like earthworms. undecided


He that sins is of the Devil, I didn't say this, the bible did.
Re: Slain In The Spirit - Pure And Absolute Heresy by PstRotimi1: 3:54pm On Jun 09, 2011
That's your emphasis , falling , falling and more falling to prove that you have the Spirit of GOD, what arrant nonsense,

The proof that you have the HOLY Spirit is that you can overcome SIN .

If you are still living in SIN, lying, gossiping, sexual lust, drunkenness, slander, malice , covetousness, pride etc then you do not have the SPIRIT of GOD.


Definitely we have to live a holy life because sin reduces the anointing. No one is disputing living a holy life,but Jesus said


Joh 14:12 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.
Re: Slain In The Spirit - Pure And Absolute Heresy by Joagbaje(m): 4:21pm On Jun 09, 2011
@frosbel
frosbel:


That's your emphasis , falling , falling and more falling to prove that you have the Spirit of GOD, what arrant nonsense,

The proof that you have the HOLY Spirit is that you can overcome SIN .


So have you overcome sin?.
Re: Slain In The Spirit - Pure And Absolute Heresy by Nobody: 4:38pm On Jun 09, 2011
Pst Rotimi:


Definitely we have to live a holy life because sin reduces the anointing. No one is disputing living a holy life,but Jesus said


Joh 14:12 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.






And the greater works is falling down lipsrsealed
Re: Slain In The Spirit - Pure And Absolute Heresy by PstRotimi1: 5:04pm On Jun 09, 2011
And the greater works is falling down


frosbel: You need to allow the word to influence your thought pattern. So are you saying falling down is the works Jesus did? Jesus healed the sick,raised the dead bought salvation with his blood etc. You mean you are reducing all this to nothing just because you want an arguement?

See, you have the right to believe whatever you want to believe, but I believe someday the Lord will open your eyes to see the truth.

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