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What Is The Purpose Of The Messiah? by sonmvayina(m): 1:51pm On Nov 23, 2021 |
What is the purpose of the Messiah? Do you believe someone doing miracles is what makes them The Messiah? * Then, wouldn’t that make Moses, Elijah, Ezekiel, and everyone else that had ever done miracles The Messiah as well? Do you believe raising someone from the dead is what makes them The Messiah? * If so, wouldn’t that make Elijah, Elisha, Ezekiel, and others that raised people from the dead The Messiah as well? Do you believe someone resurrecting from the dead is what makes them The Messiah? * Then, wouldn’t that make Lazarus, the Shunammite Son (2 kings 4:32-37),and others that resurrected from the dead The Messiah as well? Furthermore, since we all will be resurrected on The Last Day (Isa 26:19; Dan 12:2; Ezk 37:12-13), wouldn’t that make everyone of us The Messiah? If you were to define “What is the purpose of The Messiah, What makes The Messiah The Messiah,” what would your answer be? |
Re: What Is The Purpose Of The Messiah? by sonmvayina(m): 1:51pm On Nov 23, 2021 |
So, what is the purpose of The Messiah? Before we discuss whether someone is or is Not The Messiah; the first thing we will have to do is clearly define our terms. What qualifies The Messiah in being The Messiah? What is the purpose of The Messiah? According to Christians, the purpose of The Messiah is to die on the cross for our sins. According to Jews, the purpose of The Messiah is to bring peace to the world. So, the first thing we will have to do is go to The Scriptures and clearly define The Messiah. We will have to come together on common ground and agree biblically what is the definition (the qualifications) of The Messiah. It doesn’t matter who the Messiah is or isn’t if we have two totally different definitions for The Messiah. It’s like the old Bible versus Science argument. According to science, the definition of a man is anything , physically, that resembles a man. According to The Bible the definition of a man is Adam and anyone that descended from Adam. So, even if someone that resembled a man existed before Adam; biblically speaking he would not be considered a man since he didn’t descend from Adam. You have to agree on a definition to discuss it. The same applies to The Messiah. We will have to agree on the definition (the qualifications) of The Messiah. We will have to define, according To Scripture; the qualifications (the purpose) of The Messiah. Otherwise, you are trying to play basketball with football rules. It doesn’t matter how many times you grab the basketball, run to your side of the court and yell, “touchdown!” If you don’t get the basketball in the hoop you don’t get any points. You have to play basketball with basketball rules. If we don’t agree on the qualifications (definition) for The Messiah then it’s the same thing. We are just playing basketball with football rules. What does God (What does the Bible) say is the purpose of The Messiah? * The purpose of The Messiah is to come at The End Of Days and usher in a world Utopian society of Love, Peace, and The Universal Knowledge of God to the world. (Isa 11-12; Jer 31:33; Zech 14:9; Zeph 3:9; Mic 4:1-2; Isa 27:12-13; Isa 43:5-6; Jer 16:15; Jer 23:3; Ezk 34:11-16; Ezk 36:24-28; Ezk 37:21-22; Joel 4:1; Amos 9:15; Mic 2:12; Zeph 3:18-20; Zech 10:6-10) |
Re: What Is The Purpose Of The Messiah? by Bruno3000(m): 2:32pm On Nov 23, 2021 |
To mercilessly deal with the devil and his cohorts, restore the sanity of mankind. Simple. |
Re: What Is The Purpose Of The Messiah? by Steep: 3:19pm On Nov 23, 2021 |
sonmvayina:The Messiah interpreted as christ in Greek and the anointed one in English. Is the lamb of God that takes away the sins of the world. This is his mission, God sent him to pay the price of the sin and that anyone who believes in him would recieve the remission of sins and saved from sin and it's condemnation. Only those who are saved from sin will enter into his kingdom. |
Re: What Is The Purpose Of The Messiah? by MaxInDHouse(m): 5:42pm On Nov 23, 2021 |
sonmvayina: When i say "you have nothing to offer" you're agitating like made in Aba fan, now see how you ended up confusing yourself! Before someone can come make LOVE and PEACE reign among humans do you think it's a day's job? Well God wants those who will welcome the Messiah to get prepared for his arrival so Malachi told the Jews that Elijah will come to prepare the way for the Messiah {Malachi 3:1} after that the Messiah will appear in the and after teaching the Israelites all what is needed he will be killed {Daniel 9:26} and afterwards Jerusalem will be trampled upon by the nations! John the baptist came and prepared the way for Jesus of Nazareth, Jesus preached and taught for three and a half years then he was killed and on the third day he was resurrected from the dead to which we are Witnesses. So the Messiah can't just come without a foreknowledge about his coming and mission, all these has happened in the first century but if you don't think Jesus of Nazareth is worthy of being the Messiah then keep waiting for the Messiah that will come from nowhere and force people to know what they were never taught. Jehovah's Witnesses are preaching and teaching people globally what Jesus taught and millions from all races are yielding to the message. What remains now is for Jesus (Messiah) to come and wipe out all those who aren't prepared to subject themselves to his rule through the teachings of Jehovah's Witnesses! |
Re: What Is The Purpose Of The Messiah? by Dtruthspeaker: 6:19pm On Nov 23, 2021 |
Again! Wait for Him to come now after all it would be self proven beyond doubt and you can be your own witness. |
Re: What Is The Purpose Of The Messiah? by Dtruthspeaker: 6:28pm On Nov 23, 2021 |
Steep: PROOF OF TRUTH OF WHAT LAWYER PAUL SAID I Corinthians 1:23 But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness; Meanwhile it is so easy to understand and comprehend but an eye filled with evil, is never able to see nor comprehend. |
Re: What Is The Purpose Of The Messiah? by Bishopkingsley(m): 7:34pm On Nov 23, 2021 |
Only one man since creation began that ever rose himself up from the dead And that is Jesus the messiah All those people that woke up from the dead you pointed out it was someone else who rose them from the dead But in Jesus case he laid down his life for our sake that he may pick it up again That is the difference among all men So you see only God can do that, one who death can not hold One who swallowed up death and killed death he is the lord of lords the king of kings The everlasting father |
Re: What Is The Purpose Of The Messiah? by Bishopkingsley(m): 7:35pm On Nov 23, 2021 |
sonmvayina: Only one man since creation began that ever rose himself up from the dead And that is Jesus the messiah All those people that woke up from the dead you pointed out it was someone else who rose them from the dead But in Jesus case he laid down his life for our sake that he may pick it up again That is the difference among all men So you see only God can do that, one who death can not hold One who swallowed up death and killed death he is the lord of lords the king of kings The everlasting father |
Re: What Is The Purpose Of The Messiah? by MightySparrow: 7:54pm On Nov 23, 2021 |
MaxInDHouse: Like the Hadith of mohammed: to kill everyone else except JWs and Christians. To break the cross, kill all pigs disturbing MaxInDHouse and Antichristian |
Re: What Is The Purpose Of The Messiah? by sonmvayina(m): 8:27pm On Nov 23, 2021 |
Steep: This is for you..
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Re: What Is The Purpose Of The Messiah? by sonmvayina(m): 8:29pm On Nov 23, 2021 |
Dtruthspeaker: Paul can preach whatever he likes..he is entitled to.. But it has got nothing to do with God. The creator of all. Hope you get the drift... And you are foolishly following him without asking any questions. |
Re: What Is The Purpose Of The Messiah? by sonmvayina(m): 8:31pm On Nov 23, 2021 |
Bishopkingsley: Is this what the creator promised..or just your opinion? |
Re: What Is The Purpose Of The Messiah? by sonmvayina(m): 8:33pm On Nov 23, 2021 |
MaxInDHouse: So which prophet said the Messiah was coming two times or coming to die for sins..? |
Re: What Is The Purpose Of The Messiah? by MaxInDHouse(m): 9:13pm On Nov 23, 2021 |
sonmvayina:Daniel 9:26 said "Messiah will be cut off from the living" so it's evident that the Messiah will come back to fulfill the rest of his earthly assignment during his second coming. Just as Jesus came to establish the global training program (preaching and teaching) so as to gather his earthly subjects ahead of his second coming before destroying all rebellious humans! |
Re: What Is The Purpose Of The Messiah? by MaxInDHouse(m): 9:18pm On Nov 23, 2021 |
MightySparrow:Luke 18:8; John 3:16-18; Revelations 14:20; 19:15 |
Re: What Is The Purpose Of The Messiah? by MightySparrow: 9:45pm On Nov 23, 2021 |
MaxInDHouse: MaxInDHouse and Antichrist (ian) Isa.24: 19 - 20; II Pet. 3: 10, 13; Rev 21:1 MaxInDHouse: all.else.will be killed by Jesus except jws. Antichristian: Jesus will kill everybody except Muslims, break the cross and kill all pigs. Jesus the killer! Hahahahahaaaaaah 2 Likes |
Re: What Is The Purpose Of The Messiah? by Dtruthspeaker: 9:53pm On Nov 23, 2021 |
sonmvayina: Paul made it into the Bible, you don't! Thus, your say is really inconsequential. |
Re: What Is The Purpose Of The Messiah? by MaxInDHouse(m): 10:25pm On Nov 23, 2021 |
MightySparrow: That's exactly what he will become when he returns so now is the time to be sure that you are on the same page with him! |
Re: What Is The Purpose Of The Messiah? by MightySparrow: 10:31pm On Nov 23, 2021 |
MaxInDHouse: And kill pigs also? |
Re: What Is The Purpose Of The Messiah? by sonmvayina(m): 10:32pm On Nov 23, 2021 |
Dtruthspeaker: Paul who? The people who added it did so to deceive you and you fell for it...wake up... |
Re: What Is The Purpose Of The Messiah? by MaxInDHouse(m): 10:44pm On Nov 23, 2021 |
MightySparrow: For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. John 3:16 Continue deceiving yourself calling the reality of God's word "DELUSION" If you're not stupid were animals required to believe in Jesus before they can live? Or what has pigs done to deserve annihilation? You can continue deceiving yourself with false reasoning following Oyedepo, he knows there's nothing for him in God's kingdom but here he's prepared to have everything! Mark 8:36 |
Re: What Is The Purpose Of The Messiah? by MightySparrow: 11:18pm On Nov 23, 2021 |
MaxInDHouse: Annihilation, yes! Isa 24: 19 -20. Scriptural. Jesus killing those HR putshased by his blood. No. John 3:38; ROM.5 9. That GB is coming - judge with Jesus as explained by GB member Geoffrey Jackson to delude YOU, no. That Jesus is coming to kill pigs, pigs, pigs as Antichristian and his Muslim Ummah are deluded, mba! All the waiting virgins, waiting for the bridegroom wwre sleeping according to the parable. Jesus alone, Jesus is the only judge. The self proclaimed, only anointed that knew the date Jesus became' invisible king' and cannot tell the date the Holy Spirit stopped manifestation of His gifts are liars. I deliberately put the two together so that your brother in Islam ( you share the same belief under different teachers) to tell you both that you are deluded. One one hand the ' holy spirit' guiding your GB wrote the Scriptures without ' new lights' 2Pet. 1: 20 - 21. Jude 3. The Bible has only one central theme from Genesis to Revelations. One the other hand, Antichristian is deluded also following zealously a man who claimed that one out of seventy - three groups will go to Al- jannah. He is not even sure if is in the group going to hell, using his life to play kalokalo. Smh for you. You once pointed out to me that I followed those 'apostates' that left JWs! I listen to both of your members: your GB, those who leave voluntarily, disfellowshipped, also the best of Imams ( not Antichristian) who knows nothing about Islam he is dying for. So, neighbours continue to bask in delusion 1 Like |
Re: What Is The Purpose Of The Messiah? by Kobojunkiee: 11:44pm On Nov 23, 2021 |
Steep:Hear hear! |
Re: What Is The Purpose Of The Messiah? by MightySparrow: 2:43am On Nov 24, 2021 |
MaxInDHouse: You and your brother from your former religion are cork sure about your conviction each of your scriptural Jesus: Your Jesus will destroy everyone but JWs being the the modern day Israel ( leaving out the remnants promised by Jehovah) Romans 11. Or that Jehovah changed His mind or GB changed His mind for Him. Mal. 3:6; Romans 11: 29 branding other Christians ' apostates' all by yourself being judged in Jehovah's court. Therefore judge nothing before the time, until the Lord come, who both will bring to light the hidden things of darkness, and will make manifest the counsels of the hearts: and then shall every man have praise of God. ICor. 4:5 No problems, Catholic church did the same, killing the Jews. Your organisation doesn't support killing may you would have done worse to Jews and rest of us! Or the hand, antichristian and his terrorists' groups are killing everybody indiscriminately, even fellow Muslims after the commandment of mohammed with all his heinous acts ( I have given him an assignment, waiting for his response) To sum up, at Jesus' coming, Your Jesus would kill Antichristian and Antichristian's Jesus would kill you |
Re: What Is The Purpose Of The Messiah? by MaxInDHouse(m): 6:59am On Nov 24, 2021 |
MightySparrow: The GB is part of those going to rule with Jesus in heaven so when Jesus said: "So that you may eat and drink at my table in my Kingdom, and sit on thrones to judge the 12 tribes of Israel" Matthew 22:30 The twelve apostles will surely destroy all the Israelites who failed to accept Jesus' teachings! The 'judging' there doesn't mean people will stand before a court but 'KILLING' any Israelite who failed to accept Jesus' wise counsels. According to Jesus anyone who did not accept his teachings has been judged (condemned) already {John 3:17-18} so there is no time wasting when Jesus return with his co-rulers! Luke 19:27 So when a member of the GB says he will be a part of those executioners he's not talking about you in Nigeria but his own tribe that failed to accept Jesus' wise counsels through the works they're seeing him doing in God's organization. For your information, an anointed brother of Christ who happens to be a Nigerian will also be part of those executioners so it's the one who comes from your own tribe that will destroy you because he has proved that Jesus' counsels are good but you refused to yield deceiving yourself following Oyedepo that useless racist. So when Jesus comes with the 144,000 each of them will KILL people of his own race that refuse to accept Jesus' teachings. There is no tribe where God did not pick one or two persons to join Jesus' group of executioners. Stop deluding yourself by mixing what i'm saying with the assertions of AntiChristian, i've got nothing to do with him so my words has nothing to do with him! |
Re: What Is The Purpose Of The Messiah? by MaxInDHouse(m): 7:28am On Nov 24, 2021 |
MightySparrow:Ask for the interpretation of what is written in our book and we will TEACH you! When Jesus said: "Do not judge" {Matthew 7:1} he's not telling you to refrain from openly telling a sinner that death awaits him {Ezekiel 3:18} what he meant is "don't kill or punish him for his errors" So stop deceiving yourself, when you read the Bible book of John 3:16 before anyone you're not JUDGING but WARNING the unbeliever. The problem with you and your Papa is that he doesn't know why, how or what will lead to the condemnation of unbelievers, that's why he can't distinguish between real believers and fake religionists. Once anyone says "Jesus is Lord" Oyedepo is confused because he doesn't know what the believer should be doing to prove that he truly believes. That's why you yourself can't substantiate using the scriptures to tell who is a believer and who is not. So when a true believer now tell you that 'people who aren't practicing so and so are not believers' you're puzzled because your Papa Oyedepo don't know what quantify a believer. That's why you're worried now. But as for the JUDGING that Jesus and Paul is telling us not to do it doesn't mean i shouldn't tell you that you MightySparrow will be destroyed when God's kingdom come, rather it means i mustn't join in killing or arming you. For instance, many of you will quote Matthew 7:1 yet you will join a angry mob to kill a thief whereas none of you is guiltless when it comes to stealing. So as you join hands in killing that thief the same way you'll be judged for commiting Adultery, Fornication, Spiritism and the rest! Galatians 5:19-21 If you're part of the people who join hands in depriving the sinner of a second chance then you too will be deprived of a second chance when you commit any of the offenses God listed along with STEALING. That's what Jesus meant @ Matthew 7:1-4 Not when you tell the thief that God's kingdom is coming to destroy him! |
Re: What Is The Purpose Of The Messiah? by MightySparrow: 7:46am On Nov 24, 2021 |
MaxInDHouse: Your organisation of only 134 years through' holy spirit' directive has not been consistent changing doctrines by ' new lights' Catholic and the rest of us you brand 'apostates' have been consistent for more than 2,000 years! Not confused not deluded. This November, Goeffry Jackson was giving a 'new ligh' on John 5: 28 -29. Who is deluded? You and Antichristian are children of same family from different parents: he is confused, following a man with no calling, you deluded, following a man of wrong calling. Jesus' teaching is clear with no colouration except the ones your GB introduced. The GB are the only ones by their own s'election' while a host of you are not sure or absolutely ignorant of your election to eat ' memorial bread'. Your self elected GB are! Stephen Lett even gives requirements for those of them (on behalf of God) who are eligible. Your 1914 nonsense has been refuted by erudite scholars, while the illiterate GB members with no knowledge of history adhere to a fictitious date, making mockery of themselves in the palace of knowledge. Even you, you, as smart as you are, ( I have a few family members and friends in the military),a former military personnel, ( all those I know are witty) takes everything by GB line, hook, and sinker! You have not looked into the history of your organisation, they are truthful not to remove the earlier publications, still available in JW Library. The same with Antichristian. The heinous deeds of his Prophets are faithfully documented, he as many Muslims will not read any hadiths, tafsir, sunnah. He will come and be peddling ingorance here! Confused Antichristian; deluded MaxInDHouse. 25 For I know that my redeemer liveth, and that he shall stand at the latter day upon the earth: 26 And though after my skin worms destroy this body, yet in my flesh shall I see God: 27 Whom I shall see for myself, and mine eyes shall behold, and not another; though my reins be consumed within me. Job 19: 25 - 27 Don't worry about me. |
Re: What Is The Purpose Of The Messiah? by MightySparrow: 8:07am On Nov 24, 2021 |
MaxInDHouse: How many of the disfellowshipped members are givng second chance? Kicking them out of your kingdom to become what at Armageddon? I don't have anything to be taught by your GB the are deluded. They are not sure of what they are doing in fifty years time, half of what your organisation believe could be gone due to ''new light' Keep your teachings to simpletons you gather in your Kingdom Halls, deluding yourselves. 1 Like |
Re: What Is The Purpose Of The Messiah? by MaxInDHouse(m): 8:34am On Nov 24, 2021 |
MightySparrow: Don't you think this is the best advice you need? You don't need to worry about me or what i say if you're sure that it's all delusion! |
Re: What Is The Purpose Of The Messiah? by MaxInDHouse(m): 8:36am On Nov 24, 2021 |
MightySparrow: If you're damn sure of what you're saying then why bother yourself about me or the GB? |
Re: What Is The Purpose Of The Messiah? by Dtruthspeaker: 10:01am On Nov 24, 2021 |
sonmvayina: Lies and Deceits never stand but Paul's Writings have stood even before you were born, so you it is you who hates him because he boldly and unfazedly condemns people like you with The Laws of God. That is why sinners hate him very very much exactly as criminals hate policemen. |
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