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Re: Is Build To Rent A Good Investment? by Fhemmmy: 7:02pm On Jun 15, 2011 |
baconline: Yes a house has a lifespan before you would have to spend real good money to make it look real good . . . . , However, let us do the calculation first . . . . how long will it take you to recover the money back? On the average how much would renovation on a yearly basis be? Besides, once you are good at maintenance, renovation wont be as bad as you are trying to scare people off . . . 6 Flat * 400K Naira = 2.4M per year and that means in like 9 years Max, considering renovations and maintenance and remember when landlords collect rents, they do collect money for damages too . . . . . |
Re: Is Build To Rent A Good Investment? by daroz(m): 7:43pm On Jun 15, 2011 |
daroz: snowdrops: Of cos, due to the nature of my job I am either in Benin city or Austria(though I am in the UK at this very momemt) But I did my analysis based on Nigeria perspective. |
Re: Is Build To Rent A Good Investment? by baconline(m): 8:06pm On Jun 15, 2011 |
Fhemmmy:A tenant does not pay for wear and tear,he pays for obvious items ,like locks and windows,doors. Finishing is what makes a house,commercial houses mostly have slightly inferior or totally inferior fittings,therefore they go bad easily,there is a limit to what a tenant will be held accountable |
Re: Is Build To Rent A Good Investment? by Fhemmmy: 8:08pm On Jun 15, 2011 |
baconline: That is why i have made projection for it in my calculation. At the end of the day, building homes and renting them out is one of the few investment in Nigeria that cant go wrong Please note that i am not disputing the fact that it is not easy, but it is good |
Re: Is Build To Rent A Good Investment? by Reflector: 8:09pm On Jun 15, 2011 |
Fhemmmy: Yeap na me. The other thread was on the financial committment in build to live while this thread is about the financial returns in[b] building to rent[/b] |
Re: Is Build To Rent A Good Investment? by Fhemmmy: 8:10pm On Jun 15, 2011 |
Reflector: Ok, i feel you now |
Re: Is Build To Rent A Good Investment? by master2(m): 8:18pm On Jun 15, 2011 |
If u really want 2 make money in real estate buy a virgin land to resale is the way. No building cost, no tenant wahala, no maintainace cost. U may even make up to 100% return and buy more. The demand for land is always there so no fear of no body coming 2 buy. |
Re: Is Build To Rent A Good Investment? by Reflector: 8:21pm On Jun 15, 2011 |
master2: The danger with undeveloped virgin land is that someone can resell it and put you in serious legal tussle. If this is what you want to do then you must be ready to loose some or roll up your sleeves and fight with people who are ready to die for it. |
Re: Is Build To Rent A Good Investment? by occam(m): 8:25pm On Jun 15, 2011 |
Fhemmmy: 20 million naira to build a house with 6 blocks of flat in Lagos? including cost of land? This number is overly optimistic. Real estate is no longer a slam dunk investment with the huge interest rate Nigerian Banks charge. Even if you have the cash, it will be wiser to spread your investment portfolio to minimize the risk. In the long term, 30 - 35 yrs yes. if that is you goal. |
Re: Is Build To Rent A Good Investment? by Reflector: 8:34pm On Jun 15, 2011 |
dejia: Indeed for those abroad it is the safest business to do as it is a cash cow once completed, requiring very little of your time to run it. Also you have access to cheap loans out there. A friend of mine in the US said he could get a loan with a 4% interest rate. with that kind of interest rate you can do a build to let with a return of 8 to 10% and still make some profit. The only challenge people abroad have is getting a truthworthy person to supervise the project for you and not use your money to build / enrich himself. |
Re: Is Build To Rent A Good Investment? by Reflector: 8:43pm On Jun 15, 2011 |
A good investor does not put all his money into one investment, he goes for a balance portfolio consisting of the following 1. Real Estate investment (build to rent, shop to let etc) 2. Stocks and bonds 3. A regular business (manufacturing, service etc) that generates money on a daily basis. |
Re: Is Build To Rent A Good Investment? by DisGuy: 8:48pm On Jun 15, 2011 |
But after collecting the first rent of two years, what do you do next? |
Re: Is Build To Rent A Good Investment? by Reflector: 9:43pm On Jun 15, 2011 |
Dis Guy: Keep 20% to 30% of the money for any maintenance request that may come up during the year. If you had built with quality fittings, used experienced craftsmen, and chosen responsible tenants then your maintenance cost would be very low or zero. Invest the remaining rent collected in something else (buy land, start another building, buy stock, do buying and selling etc) and turn over the money or just blow it and enjoy your self. The choice is really yours. 1 Like |
Re: Is Build To Rent A Good Investment? by DisGuy: 9:45pm On Jun 15, 2011 |
Na i mean day to day income but you already mentioned Reflector: |
Re: Is Build To Rent A Good Investment? by Abali1(m): 9:52pm On Jun 15, 2011 |
This is a very good thread. For people who are afraid to venture into build for rent, I will advice that you fear not. I will only advice that you try to use your own money to build, even if you have to go for a loan let the initial 60 to 70% be your own money or your family's money. Great wealth grow slowly, but grow it must. You may not witness it in your own generation but if you teach ur children how to prudently manage the family's wealth, then you can die being rest assured that your children will be well taken care of. for instance my family has been living off the rent collected from the family apartment building. And am looking towards building more apartment buildings for rent. Now imagine in the next 40 to 50 years when more apartment buildings have been added to the portfolio the amount of income that the family will be generating fro PASSIVE INCOME. And we do not have business men/women in the family, only salary earners. But most young men want to drive flashy cars and go out with even more flashy women, while paying rent to landlords. Just know that even your landlord's DOG is your LANDLORD. 1 Like |
Re: Is Build To Rent A Good Investment? by AmAlone: 10:26pm On Jun 15, 2011 |
@ Poster I have said this before and I still think so! Building to rent for me is not a very good business I have done my calculations over and over again and I realize that at an average, you will have to wait for like 14years!!! before you can get your initial investment(all things being equal. That is excluding renovation and increase of rent with time. So I say, the extra increase of the rent over time, should be used for renovation then). Again after the first 3 to 4 years the house is no more new and its rent by then will not be as high as a new building by that time!! Fhemmmy:To explain my point, Fhemmy a block of 6flat will cost around 18 to 20Million(in Lagos if you are building 3bedroom each) Again, if the cost of 3bedroom is 400k per annum, then the cost of land around that area is most likely to be around 8m to 12m To earn 2.4m per annum from housing, you need to invest around 28m to 30m or more!!!! Then on the order hand, building can be a very profitable business, if you get your land very cheap or it was inherited or the land you have before you build has already appreciated to maybe 5 or 10times it price. Then when you build, it can be more easier to get your investment back asap and start making profits!!!! What I advise and will always advise is build to sell!!! or if you are building, make sure you are building a plaza,shops,warehouse,night club etc. Sometimes you may even regret building yourself a house when you get few bad tenants Again, I think building a house can be one of the safest way to tie you money down and tap from on yearly basis in Naija! Again, renovation is not expensive at all. Except when the house is already dead!!! Now for commercial houses, one of the best to build is a storey building when they gets very old, they depreciates a little compared to the 2,3 or 4 storeyed buildings I mean na who go won buy so much stones |
Re: Is Build To Rent A Good Investment? by Reflector: 10:35pm On Jun 15, 2011 |
kabukabu: Lagos and Abuja because they give the best return (higher rent and a high demand). Rent in warri used to be about half of what an equivalent apartment goes for in Port-harcourt, while port-harcourt rent is about what is charged in mainland Lagos. Price of cement is about the same anywhere in the country so why spend 20million to build in Benin and collect a fraction of the rent when you can make more in Lagos! |
Re: Is Build To Rent A Good Investment? by ladej(m): 10:55pm On Jun 15, 2011 |
Reflector:just like london gives the highest returns in the UK per square foot, lagos and abuja do in naija. location location location. spot on baba Am Alone:depends on the location. Abali1:you are a thinking man. paying rent is ok, as long as there is a plan, and actions towards achieving that plan. the plan being BUILDING YOURS ONE DAY Reflector:good advice but you for put the bolded in tiny letters . knowing naija peeps, na car next ! your first advice is a lot better, i.e. re-invest the dough (a small percentage can be used to enjoy life of course) |
Re: Is Build To Rent A Good Investment? by Roland17(m): 3:04am On Jun 16, 2011 |
its a very good investment, especially if the house is properly maintained, but then in Lagos, land policies and reform change occur frequently. |
Re: Is Build To Rent A Good Investment? by Reflector: 5:52am On Jun 16, 2011 |
Roland17: I learnt Lagos state government is about passing a law to regulate how months rent a landlord can collect in advance as well as pegging the rents? does anyone know more about this? |
Re: Is Build To Rent A Good Investment? by Tinax(f): 7:08am On Jun 16, 2011 |
yes, i think its a good but long term investment. It can be viewed as a risk-free investment,if you build without borowing from the bank. But it has low percentage income. Unlike othr risky investment in which ur percentage income is under probabilty, you may gain or loss ur total investment!. |
Re: Is Build To Rent A Good Investment? by 2dmax(m): 1:09pm On Jun 16, 2011 |
What about those country homes in the villages wasting? What are the rationale for building them, and can they be put into proper money making use? |
Re: Is Build To Rent A Good Investment? by Reflector: 1:26pm On Jun 16, 2011 |
2dmax: country homes are a pure waste of money and are built for sentimental reasons to massage egos and tell oue peers that we have arrived. these homes are very diffisult to rent especially those in the villages and most times the owners don't spend more that 2 to 4 weeks in an entire year there. the homes just gather dust while some are burgled. my advice to friends building in the village is to do a small bungalow. |
Re: Is Build To Rent A Good Investment? by DisGuy: 1:44pm On Jun 16, 2011 |
Reflector: https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-677286.0.html |
Re: Is Build To Rent A Good Investment? by Syenite(m): 2:11pm On Jun 16, 2011 |
@ Reflector, a good topic u've started here. I have been reading everybody's comments since yesterday. I have never seen building for rent as a good investment. How can you invest a huge sum and which ever indeces u use and expect to your Payback time at 20yrs + or -5! You spend 5 to 10yrs to build a house and wait for 20-25yrs to recoup the investment.That makes about 30yrs.Add 30yrs to your current age.You would be about 60 + if not 70+ Is that when u want to start enjoyin life? There are several businesses/investments that you can get a Payback Time of 1 to 5 yrs. In my opinion if you are still young(less than 40yrs) put your money more in investments with faster returns that can fetch u some good money and them split your money:re-investing sum into that same biz and then you can start building for rent or something else. I will only build just for social status/sentiment later in life not now that I am still hustling to grab my cashes. And who says buildings have zero risks attached? Govt bulldozz houses, some are gotted by fire, Some buildings collapse, sum sink, in some cases where we have land dispute a whole building can be pulled down after court judgement. Building houses in the Village is just for social/status sentiments, and people who want to make their Villages look like township, nothing more. 2 Likes |
Re: Is Build To Rent A Good Investment? by otiigba1(m): 3:07pm On Jun 16, 2011 |
Reflector:yes i agree, i built 40 rooms in the east onistha and a small scale car wash and pure water buissness, with the money that i was soppose to use for country house now i am making double the money every year, even till now i still dont have a country house because it just ties down your cash for good buissiness,and you cant rent it, when i am ready i will build a small country home, country home not very important nawadays |
Re: Is Build To Rent A Good Investment? by MMM2(m): 3:19pm On Jun 16, 2011 |
depend on d kind of money u. |
Re: Is Build To Rent A Good Investment? by DIPUU2LIFE(m): 3:26pm On Jun 16, 2011 |
@ dejai, that’s a very good idea. Means you have identified a business outlet. You should use it to your advantage. The location and the demand makes it possible to invest in buildings for rent as against my general opinion. But have you considered selling in the same area. Whichever way you choose to go, I am available. @ phemmy Land is a different ball game compared to houses. But say you buy land in one remote "abule kokoro" (god knows where that is), in 5-years the cost of the land might remain the same. Land in developing areas can go as high as 500% withing 2 years. You could buy an acre in a developing area for 1.2M and sell each in 2 years for 800k, even 1.5. a typical example is the iboko aro area. MY BROTHERS IF YOU ARE CONSIDERING BUILDING AT ANY LEVEL. I'M DA MAN
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Re: Is Build To Rent A Good Investment? by REALTY: 3:58pm On Jun 16, 2011 |
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Re: Is Build To Rent A Good Investment? by Reflector: 10:44am On Jun 17, 2011 |
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