Honestly. I applied to Ondo state. Lady registrar replied that I do not have qualification. Because she could not respect my HND. Wasting of resources.

The issue scaled for second reading in the house of senate today.

zebra:
The issue scaled for second reading in the house of senate today.

That's some good news. We hope the bill will eventually become a law. There is also a case in the Industrial Court on the issue.

kayusbrown:

That's some good news. We hope the bill will eventually become a law. There is also a case in the Industrial Court on the issue.

The thing narrowly scaled through. Even David Mark himself that knows nothing about education was against it. He only used style to refer it to senate committee on education and public opinion.

It is so bad to see our university graduates searching for job. People that do not have reasons to go to university had degrees because of discriminations. Polytechnic was not designed for the weak. Nigeria do not want Polytechnic education.

Hndholder:
It is so bad to see our university graduates searching for job. People that do not have reasons to go to university had degrees because of discriminations. Polytechnic was not designed for the weak. Nigeria do not want Polytechnic education.

The most painful part of it is that most of the law makers including David Mark do not know the purpose for which polytechnics were established. Some of them were saying that polytechnics were running courses that are not science and technology related like accounting and business. They don't even know that the act that establised polytechnics in Nigeria empowered them to run courses in science, technology and business related fields. We are waiting for the outcome of public opinion.

We are meeting but I am tired of this round about situation. The court case is waiting come November 3rd at ABUJA

Hndholder:
We are meeting but I am tired of this round about situation. The court case is waiting come November 3rd at ABUJA

God will see us through, amen.

In the Holy book, the world rejected Jesus (YISA) and embrace Barnabers known to be useless to progress. Degree holders are now doing the work once described as middle level job. Everything about our life now come from CHINA. We need to fight back.Polytechnics have made a name for themselves by providing sound, relevant and affordable education. They are best known for preparing students for industry with a wide range of diploma programmes which take between one and three years of full-time study to complete ND.
Polytechnic graduates are considered well-equipped and ready to support the technological and economic development. Today, polytechnic graduates are valued as practical-oriented and knowledgeable professionals, much sought after by industry.
I join every body to reject HND and support the call to cancel polytechnic if the government chose to do that.

Hndholder:
In the Holy book, the world rejected Jesus (YISA) and embrace Barnabers known to be useless to progress. Degree holders are now doing the work once described as middle level job. Everything about our life now come from CHINA. We need to fight back.Polytechnics have made a name for themselves by providing sound, relevant and affordable education. They are best known for preparing students for industry with a wide range of diploma programmes which take between one and three years of full-time study to complete ND.
Polytechnic graduates are considered well-equipped and ready to support the technological and economic development. Today, polytechnic graduates are valued as practical-oriented and knowledgeable professionals, much sought after by industry.
I join every body to reject HND and support the call to cancel polytechnic if the government chose to do that.

I also support the abolishment of polytechnic education in Nigeria if the discrimination cannot be stopped.

PRESS RELEASE BY THE NIGERIAN ASSOCIATION OF TECHNOLOGISTS IN ENGINEERING (NATE) ON THE PROPOSED BILL IN THE SENATE ON THE DISPARITY BETWEEN HND AND DEGREE HELD ON 29TH OCTOBER 2014.
Nigerian Association of Technologists in Engineering (NATE), the professional body representing Holder of Engineering qualification from the Polytechnics, appreciates Senator Ayo Akinyelure for proposing this landmark bill and the Senate for the wisdom to pass it through the second reading and arrive at the public domain.
The world over, technology drives a nation’s economy. Countries that refuse to imbibe technology e.g. Nigeria, become net importers of manufactured goods, generally have poor standard of living, net negative balance sheet and low per capita income.
For decades now the Federal government of Nigeria sufficiently disturbed of the technological and economic damage which the disparity between HND and degree is inflicting on the nation has made several administrative attempts to resolve the issue in the form of various commissions, committee and directives.
Government intervened through Grey Longe Commission in 1996, Shonekan Commission (2006) and Prof. E. C. Edozien respectively. Other interventions were by the National Council on Education which spelt out the goals of Polytechnic and University education which both include teaching and research; stating that Polytechnics specifically emphasize application, development and provision of high and middle level technological manpower. In spite of the above the products of the polytechnic system have continued to suffer various forms of discrimination. {FME (2006) Ref DHE/POLY.33/C.1/100}, Education Road Map 2009 by the same NCE in Section 6.1 (Turn Around And Deliverables) Government has envisaged that it would administratively “Implement it policy on parity between HND and degree in career progression in 2011.

Let all stakeholders submit their contributions. Let public opinion be used pls. The embarrassment Hnd holders face in Nigeria is too much.

In spite of these efforts by the Federal Government to correct the abnormally administratively and correctly equate the HND/BSc qualification have always been punctured by those who do not want the Country to progress technologically. The only option now left is the legislative route. ‘‘The ILO and UNESCO definition of professional classified the HND holder as professional and presuppose that the HND holders are qualified to be regarded as(for example)Engineers, Accountants, Administrator etc. It is therefore erroneous to refer to HND graduates as sub-professionals ’’FME (Ref DHE/POLY:33/C.1/100) of 2006). Having made these failed efforts through the administrative channel, it is clear that only through the legislative channel can this matter be effectively resolved.


Nairaland support is highly needed on that day.


Come Nov 3rd 2014. Court will also be entertaining HND stake holder case on similar issue at Abuja.

The discrimination is deeply entrenched and I don't think this bill or any court judgement can stop it. Those who will be required to enforce the bill, when it becomes a law or the court judgement, are those who started the discrimination in the first place and are benefiting from it. Another thing is that the bill and the court case seem to focus on the discrimination of HND holders in the civil service while ignoring other areas like:

1. In-house discrimination of HND holders in the Polytechnics whereby they are employed as "Instructors" against their University counterparts employed as "Lecturers". That's why I don't take ASUP serious when they complain about the discrimination. Charity they say begins at home. If ASUP wants to end the discrimination against their products, they should start by treating HND and degree holders in the union equally. The lip service they pay to the discrimination issue is not unexpected since degree holders dominate the union and occupy its top echelon.

2. Discrimination of HND holders in the private sector: [/b]As it stands today, almost all multinational companies discriminate against HND holders in their GRADUATE TRAINEE recruitment. I don't think this bill or any court judgement can stop that.

[b]3. PGD route and 3years direct-entry programme: Universities will still mandate HND holders to pass through PGD programme before admission to master's degree programme, despite the fact that this policy represents hypocrisy of the highest order (you say HND is not equal to a degree yet you accept the qualification for a postgraduate programme). HND holders will still be required to spend 3years to get a degree. This dimension of the discrimination has a wider implication in the sense that it impedes the HND holder from acquiring higher qualifications. It also by implication, excludes HND holders from all scholarship programmes for master's degree (government and private sponsored), even after acquiring a PGD. The Presidential Scholarship Scheme for Innovation and Development is the latest of such blatant discrimination. Holders of HND+PGD (Distinction) are excluded from this scheme like others(PTDF, TETFUND,NNPC etc.) despite the fact that HND holders can secure admission directly to masters degree programmes (without PGD) in universities outside Nigeria, where HND is better appreciated.

4. Discrimination by COREN: Historical facts show that COREN institutionalized this discrimination by sending out letters to government establishments and private companies mandating them not to employ HND holders as "Engineers". The battle with COREN to end this discrimination and equate HND with degree will be the dirtiest. Who will implement it? The degree-holders-controlled COREN?

5. Societal prejudice and perception: As it stands today, the predominant belief (very unfortunate) is that the average polytechnic graduate is not as smart as their university counterpart. The lower entry requirement (particularly JAMB) for polytechnics is not even helping matters.



What then is the way forward?

1. HND programmes should be discontinued. Polytechnics should only run ND programmes and other short-duration courses leading to the award of certificates.

2. Deserving Polytechnics should be upgraded to full-fledged Universities. We must be careful not to adopt the 'City University' and B.Tech degree nonsense otherwise the B.Tech degree from such institutions will be second-rated to that of conventional universities.

3. A 1-year top-up degree programme should be designed by NUC to replace PGD programme for HND holders. Existing HND holders, who desire a bachelors degree, can go for this 1-year programme, as obtainable in the UK, to get a bachelors degree.

Let all polytechnic stakeholders come out in mass whether physically or online and support the removal of this discrimination. If the Nigerian HND is not equivalent to a Bsc how comes it is respected by many european countries and the US and its holders are given direct masters admission without going thru the PGD route? That's a good question to ask.

zebra:
Let all polytechnic stakeholders come out in mass whether physically or online and support the removal of this discrimination. If the Nigerian HND is not equivalent to a Bsc how comes it is respected by many european countries and the US and its holders are given direct masters admission without going thru the PGD route? That's a good question to ask.

They know it is equivalent and even better in fields like Engineerin, Accountancy and Mass Communications. They won't just admit because doing so will mean losing jobs and dominance enjoyed by degree holders. A level playing ground will result to some degree holders losing their jobs to HND holders. The fundamental problem with HND is failure to Amend the Polytechnic Act, limiting polytechnics to the production of middle level manpower, before the commencement of the programme. In fact, the HND programme was ill-conceived. Polytechnics ought to have been empowered to offer bachelors degree when their was a need for highly skilled technical manpower.
The bill in question will only be implementable after amending the Polytechnic Act, COREN Act and other laws and policies of NUC and JAMB discriminating the polytechnics.

Court Commence Hearing On HND/B.Sc Dichotomy Today

The National Industrial Court in Abuja will today commence hearing in the suit filed by holders of Higher National Diploma in Public Service challenging their discrimination in career progression in public service. Justice Babatunde Adejumo had in July ordered the office of the Head of Service of the Federation (HOSF), the National Council on Establishments and the Attorney General of the Federation (AGF) to file their reply on the originating summons brought by the claimants. The claimants: Garba Bello, Babatunde Samuel, Jubril Kadiri, Christiana Owolabi, Chuba Umechukwu and Fatima Ahmed on behalf of members of the association want the court to make an order directing the defendants to implement the federal government White Paper abolishing the dicho-tomy between HND and their B.Sc counterparts and consolidating emoluments in the public sector. HND holders face discrimination in terms of promotion in organisations. We called on the Federal government to put an end to the B.Sc/HND inequality in the country

Hndholder:
Court Commence Hearing On HND/B.Sc Dichotomy Today

The National Industrial Court in Abuja will today commence hearing in the suit filed by holders of Higher National Diploma in Public Service challenging their discrimination in career progression in public service. Justice Babatunde Adejumo had in July ordered the office of the Head of Service of the Federation (HOSF), the National Council on Establishments and the Attorney General of the Federation (AGF) to file their reply on the originating summons brought by the claimants. The claimants: Garba Bello, Babatunde Samuel, Jubril Kadiri, Christiana Owolabi, Chuba Umechukwu and Fatima Ahmed on behalf of members of the association want the court to make an order directing the defendants to implement the federal government White Paper abolishing the dicho-tomy between HND and their B.Sc counterparts and consolidating emoluments in the public sector. HND holders face discrimination in terms of promotion in organisations. We called on the Federal government to put an end to the B.Sc/HND inequality in the country

May God help us achieve success.

Hndholder:
Court Commence Hearing On HND/B.Sc Dichotomy Today

The National Industrial Court in Abuja will today commence hearing in the suit filed by holders of Higher National Diploma in Public Service challenging their discrimination in career progression in public service. Justice Babatunde Adejumo had in July ordered the office of the Head of Service of the Federation (HOSF), the National Council on Establishments and the Attorney General of the Federation (AGF) to file their reply on the originating summons brought by the claimants. The claimants: Garba Bello, Babatunde Samuel, Jubril Kadiri, Christiana Owolabi, Chuba Umechukwu and Fatima Ahmed on behalf of members of the association want the court to make an order directing the defendants to implement the federal government White Paper abolishing the dicho-tomy between HND and their B.Sc counterparts and consolidating emoluments in the public sector. HND holders face discrimination in terms of promotion in organisations. We called on the Federal government to put an end to the B.Sc/HND inequality in the country

What's the outcome of today's hearing? Can u brief us sir?

Case was adjourn for further hearing and presentation of facts. There must be a claim

Hndholder:
Case was adjourn for further hearing and presentation of facts. There must be a claim

Na wa o!

zebra:
This shows how uninformed u are about d nigerian polytechnic system. Polytechnic students in nigeria spend 5 years to get HND certificate. They are given ND after the first 2 years, then they go for one year industrial training, before coming back to spend another 2 years to get HND. The admission requirements are the same with that of the university (5 O' level credits with maths and english). What else again?

...kep dreaming...plythenic r jamb rejected candidates...is this hard to understand?

tosnat:


Six lines and absolutely splendid... But when will this work out in Nigeria?

....wait!wait!! Wait!!! All these YABA BOYS want make hnd be dsame as bsc?they must b high on polytechnic ogogoro...so u wan come compete with david mark chidren wey school abroad..thunder wey go fire these jamb rejected candidate still dey do press up...

I will advise these spoilt children to stay clear. Your parents are fighting for your future. Malicious-Joy is not what is expected of you.
After university degree from those that have no business going to University, the result is unemployment riding OKADA with degree is not what we expected for your generation.

“Without mincing words, and as I speak, thousands of would-be polytechnic and technology students are contemplating or have decided to opt for university education because of perceived and real discrimination against HND graduates in relation to their counterparts who are university degree holders. If this contemplation occurs, there is bound to be a vacuum created in our labour market in this regard and dire consequences are bound to follow this trend.”

Cull from The Guardian of 6/11/14 page 57 -59
This confirm the saying. Joblessness

Albert Einstein, the world’s most renowned physicist and one of the most influential thinkers of all time, graduated from the Zurich Polytechnic (now called the Swiss Federal Institute of Technology, Zurich) in 1900 with a diploma in mathematics and physics.

Hndholder:
Albert Einstein, the world’s most renowned physicist and one of the most influential thinkers of all time, graduated from the Zurich Polytechnic (now called the Swiss Federal Institute of Technology, Zurich) in 1900 with a diploma in mathematics and physics.

Thank God for him. If to say na Nigeria him do that Diploma, discrimination for no let people know am.

We must stand our feet to develop. Nigeria is becoming a dumping ground.

I have attached copies of the Bill seeking to end the discrimination in jpeg and pdf formats. I must confess I earlier thought the bill is one of those only concerned about the level 14 barricade in civil service, while ignoring other aspects of the discrimination. After reading through, I realised why the Senate President maintained that what the bill seeks to achieve is "impossible". If passed, this bill will end the discrimination in all ramifications. I'm really proud of the Senator that sponsored it. He has a deep understanding of the issue and intends to uproot it at its core and all areas of manifestation. The bad news is that it met a brick-wall like the propositions of Dr. Obiageli Ezekwesili in 2007. The Senate President ordered a public hearing on the bill and that may be the last we'll hear of it. Nothing is in the news about the public hearing despite the fact that the Senate President asked the committee on education to report back to the house in four weeks (from October 22 when the bill scaled through second reading). It will be four weeks by 19th. November, 2014. The Secretary of the committee is Felix Orumwense and his number is 08037880471. For those residing at Abuja and can go to the National Assembly, the secretary's office is at S 109-Room 19 according to the information on their website. We can play our own part by calling that number or sending our views as sms to it. I was hoping they'll have an e-mail address where I can send in my detailed suggestions.

Useful links:

http://www.nassnig.org/nass/committees.php?id=17
http://www.nassnig.org/nass/news.php?id=615
http://www.nassnig.org/nass/legislation.php?pageNum_bill=1&totalRows_bill=31

Nigeria is actually loosing out. After my HND imaging where and what I should have contributed. But came out to show what I am capable of doing.

Hndholder:
Nigeria is actually loosing out. After my HND imaging where and what I should have contributed. But came out to show what I am capable of doing.

Pls sir, send ur contribution to the public hearing. I believe it will really help.

We already set up a committee.