This thread is an overflow from a earlier thread - - https://www.nairaland.com/6994962/witnesses-jehovah-documentary

I have challenged MaxInDHouse to give me undeniable proof that Jesus is a real figure from history and not a mythical figure.

This is the actual challenge:

I have put it to you that it is a FACT that the life and story of Jesus in the Bible is not unique.

It is a cheap copy of the life and story of similar God-men from cultures thousands of years older than the Bible.

The best you can you do is show me proof from your extensive research that shows that -

1. Jesus really existed and is not a Mythical Figure,

2. Jesus really existed based on archeological findings, and

3. The life and teachings of Jesus is original and not copied from HORUS of ancient Egypt and many other Christ figures like Dionysus, Bacchus, Mythiras but to mention a few.

I guess we can start from there.

Show me your well researched proof, and I will show you mine.

Can we do that instead of going back and forth with the name calling?

MaxInDHouse the ball is in your court.

Shall we begin?

oteneaaron:
This thread is an overflow from a earlier thread - - https://www.nairaland.com/6994962/witnesses-jehovah-documentary

I have challenged MaxInDHouse to give me undeniable proof that Jesus is a real figure from history and not a mythical figure.

This is the actual challenge:



MaxInDHouse the ball is in your court.

Shall we begin?

Did Jesus really exist or he's just a mythical figure?

Before we can answer this question we must consider how we can establish the historicity of any human in stories we've been hearing and reading in different books!

His name!
Jesus' name is translated from a Hebrew word "YEHOSHUA" which means "YAHWEH is salvation" so Jesus came from a nation known globally as Jews, it's easy to walk up to any jew and confirm that this name is from their place.
His birth place!
Jesus was born in a village in first century Judea called "Bethlehem Ephrata" and all the places surrounding this village are known till today.
His life!
Jesus grew up under the care of a carpenter (Joseph) who taught him carpentry so Jesus had a handiwork (craft) that he leant and mastered.
His friends!
Jesus made lots of friends whose names were mentioned in his story, this friends so much loved him that they were willing to die for the history of Jesus. They took his teachings to all the cities, towns, villages and far away counties back then so that there's nowhere around the Mediterranean sea that people in the first century don't know about the Jew called Jesus of Nazareth.
His teachings!
Throughout the history of mankind there has never been any human be it king or emperor whose command has lasted in the hearts and minds of people living thousands of years after his death.
His modern day followers!
People like Alexander the great, Emperor Nero, King Napoleon, King James and many others have lived and reined as Kings on this planet but today they're only remembered in history books. What about Jesus of Nazareth?
His subjects are throughout the earth today preaching zealously and industriously teaching people in their neighbourhood what Jesus commanded them. Nobody is still obeying all those kings mentioned above!

So if anyone wants to dispute the historicity of this man from Nazareth what is there to prove that any other person has lived on this planet?

Please go to YouTube and type "archeology on Jesus"
You'll find much arguments there on what archeologists have discovered so far about this man from Nazareth!

Wait a minute.

Is that all @MaxinDhouse??

Is this the UNDENIABLE PROOF I asked for?

Is this the result from your extensive research?

People often mix, add and subtract from what they heard regarding stories of legends so whenever they find any story of someone who is feared by many they try to correlate their own story with the story that's heard both near and far!
Moreover the Bible revealed that there is one evil genius who challenged God in the beginning, this spirit heard God talked about how he will be exterminated and since he's in control all the religions practiced before God established Israel Satan has spread things that may result in the coming of a perfect man who will finally destroy him. Satan don't know how his killer will come to existence but he's damn sure that it can't be any of Adam's descendants because none of them could be smart enough to beat his intelligence.
That's why myths were found in different cultures about a son of God that will come and do certain things. Satan knew very well that the one coming to destroy him must be one who is as perfect as Adam and Eve in order to conquer him!

This challenge is for all christians

oteneaaron:

Wait a minute.
Is that all @MaxinDhouse??
Is this the UNDENIABLE PROOF I asked for?
Is this the result from your extensive research?

Please refute what i typed with whatever research you've made. It's not about lengthy epistles but simple and undeniable FACTS!

AntiMohammad:
This challenge is for all christians

NO Sir!
It's between just two persons:
Oteneaaron (atheist/agnostic) and MaxInDHouse (a Christian)
Thanks Sir!

MaxInDHouse:


Please refute what i typed with whatever research you've made. It's not about lengthy epistles but simple and undeniable FACTS!

Let me know when you're done.

Jesus is real!

No one can prove that Jesus is myth

MaxInDHouse:


NO Sir!
It's between just two persons:
Oteneaaron (atheist/agnostic) and MaxInDHouse (a Christian)
Thanks Sir!

oteneaaron:

Let me know when you're done.

I'm done!
So bring anything you can find anywhere to dispute the historicity of Jesus of Nazareth but don't forget the points i listed above because there's no historical figure that has one percent of credence like the greatest man who ever lived on this planet: Jesus of Nazareth!

AntiMohammad:
No one can prove that Jesus is myth

They only read and listen to people whose IQ is low when talking about how to dispute the historicity of any person.
I am ready! Let them come in their thousands to prove that Jesus never existed then prove that others like
Alexander, King Henry, King James, Napoleon Bonaparte and others truly excited using the same criteria.
Evidence that Wright Brothers once lived?
Aeroplane!
Evidence that Benjamin Franklin once lived?
Electricity!
Evidence Karl Benz once lived?
Automobile!
Evidence that Jesus once lived?
Christians!

Let them come and disprove the historicity of the greatest man who ever walked this planet!

Where is oteneaaron?
I thought you've prepared for what to say to disprove the historicity of Jesus Christ!
Please i give you all the time in the world to go and make all your research but don't forget that your own ancestors never existed if they can't meet up with the credentials i presented regarding the historicity of Jesus Christ of Nazareth!

MaxInDHouse:


I'm done!
So bring anything you can find anywhere to dispute the historicity of Jesus of Nazareth but don't forget the points i listed above because there's no historical figure that has one percent of credence like the greatest man who ever lived on this planet: Jesus of Nazareth!

Good to know.

But you didn't say anything about archeological proof to show that Jesus truly existed.

You simply asked me to search it on YouTube.

SHOW ME.

MaxInDHouse:
Where is oteneaaron?
U thought you've prepared for what to say to disprove the historicity of Jesus Christ!
Please i give you all the time in the world to go and make all your research but don't forget that your own ancestors never existed if they can't meet up with the credentials i presented regarding the historicity of Jesus Christ of Nazareth!

Calm down.

Good things take time.

oteneaaron:

Good to know.
But you didn't say anything about archeological proof to show that Jesus truly existed.
You simply asked me to search it on YouTube.
SHOW ME.

Just as you often say "i don't need to spoon-feed you Sir"
Google and YouTube are your friends. Go and find out from archeologists not just listening to some good for nothing idiots spewing gibberish about what is boldly written in the history of mankind: Jesus of Nazareth!

MaxInDHouse:


Just as you often say "i don't need to spoon-feed you Sir"
Google and YouTube are your friends. Go and find out from archeologists not just listening to some good for nothing idiots spewing gibberish about what is boldly written in the history of mankind: Jesus of Nazareth!

Hahahahaha

But this is a challenge isn't it?

When I begin laying down my points, I will add proof to show you.

It was one of the requirements of the challenge.

Show me archeological proof.

oteneaaron:

Calm down.
Good things take time.

I'm ever relaxed on this matter because i know that there's no evidence whatsoever that any human ever lived on this planet in ancient times if you want to argue the historicity of the man whose name, birth place, occupation, friends, teachings and modern day adherents is known globally!

MaxInDHouse:


I'm ever relaxed on this matter because i know that there's no evidence whatsoever that any human ever lived on this planet in ancient times if you want to argue the historicity of the man whose name, birth place, occupation, friends, teachings and modern day adherents is known globally!

No problem.

Thank you for your patience.

In the meantime, I am still waiting for your archeological proof of Jesus's existence.

oteneaaron:

Hahahahaha
But this is a challenge isn't it?
When I begin laying down my points, I will add proof to show you.
It was one of the requirements of the challenge.
Show me archeological proof.

My friend, archeologists are doing their own job so it's you who needs it that should go and bring whatever you think is useful here.
Please i don't want all these hide and seek, present your argument that Jesus never existed!

oteneaaron:

No problem.
Thank you for your patience.
In the meantime, I am still waiting for your archeological proof of Jesus's existence.

It's like you don't get it shey?
OK type "archeology on Jesus"
Either on Google Chrome, Phoenix Browser, YouTube or any other browser of your choice.
Don't just wait for others to feed you.
Go now use all these tools available on the internet to find out if Jesus is real or a myth.

As for historicity forget it, there's no evidence anyone ever walked this planet in ancient times if you say Jesus never existed!

Before I continue, just for the benefit of doubt @MaxinDhouse

Are the points you laid up above undeniable proof that -

1. Jesus really existed and is not a mythical figure,

2. Jesus really existed and there is archeological proof to show , and

3. The life and teachings of Jesus are original and not a copy of the life and teachings of HORUS from ancient Egypt and other similar Christ figures from antiquity?

I just want to be absolutely sure that the points you gave above are your UNDENIABLE PROOF.

Kindly revert before I continue.

oteneaaron:
Before I continue, just for the benefit of doubt @MaxinDhouse
Are the points you laid up above undeniable proof that -
1. Jesus really existed and is not a mythical figure,
2. Jesus really existed and there is archeological proof to show , and
3. The life and teachings of Jesus are original and not a copy of the life and teachings of HORUS from ancient Egypt and other similar Christ figures from antiquity?
I just want to be absolutely sure that the points you gave above are your UNDENIABLE PROOF.
Kindly revert before I continue.

Get to work!
I have presented my points it's your turn to prove me wrong.
Historicity!
No one ever walked this planet has one percent of credence of Jesus' historicity.
Archeologists have done their own job so you only need to check it out. Jesus' teachings is upheld by Jehovah's Witnesses globally and everything he said is happening to them just as it's written in the Bible!

MaxInDHouse:


Get to work!
I have presented my points it's your turn to prove me wrong.
Historicity!
No one ever walked this planet has one percent of credence of Jesus' historicity.
Archeologists have done their own job so you only need to check it out. Jesus' teachings is upheld by Jehovah's Witnesses globally and everything he said is happening to them just as it's written in the Bible!

That is all I wanted.

@oteneaaron
Why stalling?

The member you challenged has laid out his points. It really does not matter whether he wrote the archeological proof or not.

It is your turn to disprove what he wrote. Cheers

Before I begin, we need to get some terminologies defined and understood in the right context.

MYTH - A traditional story which embodies a belief regarding some fact or phenomenon of experience, and in which often the forces of nature and of the soul are personified; a sacred narrative regarding a god, a hero, the origin of the world or of a people, etc.

ALLEOGORY - A symbolic representation which can be interpreted to reveal a hidden meaning, usually a moral or political one.

The crux of my argument is this -

1. Before the Bible was ever written, there have been many God-men from antiquity with life and stories that are an uncanny copy of the Jesus of the Bible.

2. The life and story of Jesus should not be taken literal history but as a MYTH and ALLEOGORY that dramatises the eventual ascent of man into what the ancient mystery schools called the "Christ Consciousness"

With this out the way, let us begin...

oteneaaron:
Before I begin, we need to get some terminologies defined and understood in the right context.

MYTH - A traditional story which embodies a belief regarding some fact or phenomenon of experience, and in which often the forces of nature and of the soul are personified; a sacred narrative regarding a god, a hero, the origin of the world or of a people, etc.

ALLEOGORY - A symbolic representation which can be interpreted to reveal a hidden meaning, usually a moral or political one.

The crux of my argument is this -

1. Before the Bible was ever written, there have been many God-men from antiquity with life and stories that are an uncanny copy of the Jesus of the Bible.

2. The life and story of Jesus should not be taken literal history but as a MYTH and ALLEOGORY that dramatises the eventual ascent of man into what the ancient mystery schools called the "Christ Consciousness"

With this out the way, let us begin...

HISTORY totally differs from what you just said.
If i may ask you:
Do you think everyone see Jesus as a God or that's just the opinion of some credulous religionists?
Because to Jehovah's Witnesses Jesus is a man who lived and taught his friends many things.

1. Before the Bible was ever written, there have been many God-men from antiquity with life and stories that are an uncanny copy of the Jesus of the Bible.

Oteneaaron can you prove that those God men from antiquity existed?

Crysallis:
@oteneaaron
Why stalling?

The member you challenged has laid out his points. It really does not matter whether he wrote the archeological proof or not.

It is your turn to disprove what he wrote. Cheers

Thank you for your candid observation.

I am putting my points in order and will be updating the thread as I go.

Because Jesus performed miracles shouldn't erase the fact that he lived just like every other man. He was flesh and blood! 2John 1:7
So let nobody compare Jesus to any mythical figure that's not related to any known race, father or mother, birth place, friends and modern day adherents!

Stupidity is like you conclude on whatever you heard without considering the MOTIVES in the minds of the teller!

He's still gathering his evidences.

MaxInDHouse:
Because Jesus performed miracles shouldn't erase the fact that he lived just like every other man. He was flesh and blood! 2John 1:7
So let nobody compare Jesus to any mythical figure that's not related to any known race, father or mother, birth place, friends and modern day adherents!

Stupidity is like you conclude on whatever you heard without considering the MOTIVES in the minds of the teller!