@Alj Harem

I don't think building an International Airport is the issue, especially since the Margeret Ekpo airport is still open. However, I think a cheaper means of moving people to this location is needed, maybe a small air shuttle business, quick, safe and faster one day movements.


I still wonder why they have not made any movies here, if indeed it is a world class studio?

Still believe $450 is too much for a 80,000 sq meter space and based on the State's income they should have built in phases of $100 million. Biggest mall in America, is 320,000 sq and cost $650 million even with inflation rates, Tinapa still exorbitant per sq meter

Bottomline, they have a marketing problem, Calabar is beautiful but this guys have no clue what to do with it. There is a market but they must change focus in line with new realities.

Mariory:

Seriously alj_harem, what are you blabbing about? Of what use is another Federal airport going to be when the Federal seaport is off limits to the businesses that will bring in the people for shopping.

fedral seaport will not bring people for shopping

shipments of goods from 1 part of the country to another will not affect the rate of contumers to a particular area

if the location is conducive then demand will always exceed supply

calabar is not conducive for people from all other walks of life to go just for "tinapa"

there are convient way for people to go in there and that is even why it has not recived good investment from private firms because they see this underlaying problem

I am going to try to break it down for you cause I sense this thread is going off course.

Tinapa = Business resort targeted at [size=14pt]wealthy Nigerians[/size].

Why do you keep talking about an international airport and why are Customs refusing to allow Tinapa businesses to use the Sea Port?

kcjazz:

@Alj Harem

I don't think building an International Airport is the issue, especially since the Margeret Ekpo airport is still open. However, I think a cheaper means of moving people to this location is needed, maybe a small air shuttle business, quick, safe and faster one day movements.


I still wonder why they have not made any movies here, if indeed it is a world class studio?

Still believe $450 is too much for a 10,000 sq meter space and based on the State's income they should have built in phases of $100 million. Biggest mall in America, is 320,000 sq and cost $650 million even with inflation rates, Tinapa still exorbitant per sq meter

Bottomline, they have a marketing problem, Calabar is beautiful but this guys have no clue what to do with it. There is a market but they must change focus in line with new realities.

now someone is thinking

i know calabar is a beautiful city because i have been there around the 1993 or so

and that is way silverbird invested in lagos first so has to genenrate capital for abuja and now its going to port harcount

u have to get a good location or good transportion so people can go to ur mall, shop conviantly without stress and spend there money there.

no one whats to go throught stress before spending there money

Still believe $450 is too much for a 10,000 sq meter space and based on the State's income they should have built in phases of $100 million. Biggest mall in America, is 320,000 sq and cost $650 million even with inflation rates, Tinapa still exorbitant per sq meter

That is just rediculous. . . 

Wealthy Nigerians believe traveling out of Nigeria is a sign of their wealth.

Unfortunately, some people in my family is of this opinion.

Mariory:

I am going to try to break it down for you cause I sense this thread is going off course.

Tinapa = Business resort targeted at [size=14pt]wealthy Nigerians[/size].

Why do you keep talking about an international airport and why are Customs refusing to allow Tinapa businesses to use the Sea Port?

and how many wealthy nigerians do we have ?

i thought tinapa is a form of tourism place in which people can come and spend there money thus generating revenun for the state

if it is only for "wealthy nigerian" then they are not looking to generate proper reveenu then, i mean with the money invested in such a project yet it is only for the "few" wealthy nigerians

it means the state is not serious

EzeUche:

Wealthy Nigerians believe traveling out of Nigeria is a sign of their wealth.

Unfortunately, some people in my family is of this opinion.

yes that is correct

See fingers pointing everywhere.

The fact is>>>


Nigerians don't vacation culture

Many Nigerians barely have enough money  to put food on the table so where is the vacation or Tinapa entertainment money going to come from?

National and state infrastructural failures also doomed Tinapa. Tinapa is not easily accessible to many Nigerians outside and inside Calabar, we don't have safe and dedicated roads to transport people from every corner of Nigeria to Tinapa, air transportation is not cost effective for many Nigerians and their pockets, rich Nigerians don't want to have anything to do with local attractions, they prefer to jet outside the country.

We need a good federal highway system connecting every state and major cities in Nigeria with easy access to major attractions.

Tinapa remains a great idea, Nigeria is just not ready, our leaders are not ready, our people don't have disposable income to feed and enrich Tinapa with, our transportation infrastructures sucks, everything just suxs right now.

Eko Ile:

See fingers pointing everywhere.

The fact is>>>


Nigerians don't vacation culture

Many Nigerians barely have enough money  to put food on the table so where is the vacation or Tinapa entertainment money going to come from?

National and state infrastructural failures also doomed Tinapa. Tinapa is not easily accessible to many Nigerians outside and inside Calabar, we don't have safe and dedicated roads to transport people from every corner of Nigeria to Tinapa, air transportation is not cost effective for many Nigerians and their pockets, rich Nigerians don't want to have anything to do with local attractions, they prefer to jet outside the country.

We need a good federal highway system connecting every state and major cities in Nigeria with easy access to major attractions.

Tinapa remains a great idea, Nigeria is just not ready, our leaders are not ready, our people don't have disposable income to feed and enrich Tinapa with, our transportation infrastructures sucks, everything just suxs right now.

very good analysis

just buried this thread, thanks

alj_harem:

bros, u are very stu.pid for u statement

why not go to nigeria and buy innoson car and be driving urself, u can not force people to buy a car from a company we do not trust its safety regulation because innonso is a nigeria made company

this kind of people, my friends, is why Nigeria is going no where and why some igbos keep clamoring for their own country.

ebere1712:

this kind of people, my friends, is why Nigeria is going no where and why some igbos keep clamoring for their own country.

this thread is not about igbo forming there own country

but if they want to do so then by all mean please they can go, i do not beleive anyone shuld be forced in a union they do not like

but taking ijaw, ibibio etc land will cause war

as i said, innoson car need to do something about there marketing stragy

no one can force globacom on you or dangote sugar on you so why should we force innoson cars on other just because it is built in nigeria or according to alex101 and maybe u it is built by igbos

if the car is substandard, we can not say because we do not have proper health and safety officers to regulate innoson cars products

NIGERIA SHOULD NOT RISK THE LIFES OF PEOPLE JUST BECAUSE WE WANT TO SATISFY A GROUP OF PEOPLE ,., impossible

although i support innoson cars more an any toyota etc but we need a regularty body to keep them in check

according to what i can see, it is substandard because if it is high grade produce, the good people of enugu, anambra etc will be driving innoson cars or majority of them would be doing so

when globacom started, it begun in lagos (SW state) and the people loved it and it later spread to ogun and other south western state before moving to other parts of the country

same with onado, dangote, eleganza, spog, so i don't see why SE can not do same by buying innoson cars then the good people of nigeria would see how good the product is and then buy the product

u see my friend charity begins at home

You put in a whooping $450m on a project and 4-5years after,it gives you nothing,yea yea only a dumb duke would do something like that,imagine if he had invested massively in agriculture with that money,
CR state is just too blessed,are we talking of the cocoa( that has trained and is still training all my family members btw we are over 24)in the northern and central part of the state,to the bananas,plantains,
omg palm trees that grow on their own or what,is it the pineapple in CR South,
enormous agriculture venture DUKE should have invested in,he brings a dumb project without weighing the prospects and options.Now he has left a highly indebted state,a retardo-governor who has no clue on what to do with the place.And crossiverians i blame,they've decided to run a one party state,perhaps the only state with no opposition,come next year,they'll still vote lmoke whose certificate in intl economics from a foreign university is questionable.

Nigerians can spend any amount of money on capital projects, but OPEX always scores a big red F for all our big money projects.
We build them, but we can't run them, or even maintain them.

apache77:

[b]Tinapa was doomed from inception because the per capita income of Calabar residents is very low. The most immediate market of any wak in business is the surrounding population. Those are the people who sustain the business before the secondary markets are accessed. The local population must buy into such a business before the others from afar can come. Calabar residents didn’t just have the financial muscle to patronize it. So long as the primary market (in dis case calabar residents) lack the purchasing power to keep it going, then there’s is nothing anybody could hav done.

Tinapa is an upscale resort where luxury goods and high end services are provided- expensive salons, designer stores, jewellery shops, expensive hotels that come with high maintenance. Rent there is expensive, so are maintenance costs. These costs are built into prices offered by different businesses there. If the people cannot afford those prices, they wont come, and the businesses will close shop.

Game at shoprite in Lagos sells flatscreens for 900k some 1m.People in Lagos can afford it, so Game can remain in business. SPAR at Ceddi plaza in Abuja sells normal laptops for as much as 250k, and even though people can afford such, they still struggle for patronage. Take a trip to Ceddi plaza in Abuja, many tenants there have left becasue of high rents and low patronage. Barcellos at Silverbird Abuja sell a plate f rice and chicken for N1,800, wat Tantalizers normally sell for about N900 on the street. If a Mr Biggs or Tantalizers located in Tinapa, Ceddi or Silverbird is paying close to 15m annually, is it the N200 meat pie that will keep the business afloat? It comes down to bottomline, they must make sales to survive and their prices are always marked up by almost 200%.

Low income people will always go for less costly alternatives nearer them. Instead of patronizing Nandos in Tinapa, they will patronize the nandos in town. Instead of going to buy a designer bag there, they;l go to the normal stores. Person wey never chop belleful dey go watch cinema for N1,500? NopeTinapa has failed in Calabar, and it would have failed in many of the low income areas like Ilorin, makurdi, jos, Kaduna, akure etc.Theirs was a case of poor planning occassioned by poor economic analysis.[/b]

good

MAY GOD SAVE TINAPA

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Another White Elephant project. Tinapa was a dead on arrival project

They should start selling lands to Igbos first.  Tinapa cannot succeed with few people in Calabar.

Obiagu1:

They should start selling lands to Igbos first.  Tinapa cannot succeed with few people in Calabar.

This is (was) not the problem.

So all the SOUTHERN SENATORS AND REPRESENTATIVE were sleeping when the Northerners were killing it or they were locked up in a room?

Even after how many years the SE/SE senators and reps are barred from pushing for some reforms right?

always quick to blame other people whilst their own reps are in the same room carrying ghana must go!!!

ezeagu:

This is (was) not the problem.

. . . and you think so?

TINAPA plan was faulty

orble:


MAY GOD SAVE TINAPA

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no need bringing God into this,he's done his part by giving men good thinking faculty,
its quite sad many dont use it,
you dont build such luxuries in a state like CR,nope that's not what the people need,you've got to empower them,and give them jobs,its only when you have money you think of flexing.
And the dumb notion by DUKE that tinapa is meant for the rich across Nigeria to come relax and spend is so lame,what was he thinking,building malls exclusively for the rich,oo duke,and most nigerians think he is clever ha ha though handsome i must add.

Obiagu1:

They should start selling lands to Igbos first.  Tinapa cannot succeed with few people in Calabar.

why igbos why not ijaws or fulanis or yorubas

why igbos

i would really really appreciate it if u can tell me\us the reason

or are u trying to say there are not igbos in calabar market and other areas already

It was just a means to launder money by Donald duke and Peter odili.  Every Multi-million project should have a Feasibility study. i would love to the them publish it

i thought tinapa was meant as a tourist attraction for people interested in visiting nigeria.


so why hasnt there been overseas advertising showcasing the place since there are quite a lot of non-nigerians who would love to visit the country.

quite a lot of slaves were taken from that general region too.

as for nigerians themselves going there, well, not everyone is comfortable travelling outside their comfort zone.

alj_harem:


why igbos why not ijaws or fulanis or yorubas

why igbos

i would really really appreciate it if u can tell me\us the reason

or are u trying to say there are not igbos in calabar market and other areas already

They need to ban you as well. The mods already dealt with Rhino, fstranger and Seanet. Now it is your turn.

EzeUche:

They need to ban you as well. The mods already dealt with Rhino, fstranger and Seanet. Now it is your turn.

why should they ban me, have i said anything wrong or against the forum rules

@ alj harem, apache77 and Eko ile - have done justice to this topic. Well done. I wonder why despite the abundant human resources that the world over claim Nigeria has, we still have cases like this.

I think it was good for a govt to have a dream and then source for funds to make it come true. But I think in Nigeria in most cases whether south east north or west we do not see initial planning, detailed feasibility studies and all round economies of the project as a key determining factor of the success.

I believe if knowledgeable people in these  areas are gathered as project teams for this projects, Tinapa and so many other project scattered all over the nation will not be failures.

Nigeria need to locate businesses based on economies and not politics, involve the right people and just party members. Even my secondary school economics say factors that affect location are, nearness to raw materials, market, good roads, power and availability of labour etc. I no bi economist o!

I pray GOD to wake us up one day so that we will be able to do things right.

There's nothing special about tinapa. Evrything is mediocre. Ppl called it dubai in nigeria but dubai has the wrlds tallest building and man made islands. Tinapa has a mediocre water park that's in every america town, mediocre mal that's in every american town and boring low rise buildings that make the place look like a mediocre downtown sector of every american town, not even city. Plus very few nigerians knw about it