The Mistakes Of Constantine That Birthed The Trinity Doctrine, Paganism With Christianity!


God is Supreme and He Alone Is One but how come some Christians refer to Jesus Christ as the Almighty God (Yahweh) When the Bible never said so. Below is my take with references from the Holy Scriptures why the doctrine of Trinity should not be adopted as a means of referencing the Godhead because of its origin;

"Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:" (Deuteronomy 6:4)

"I Saw In The Night Visions, And, Behold, One Like The Son Of Man (Jesus Christ) Came With The Clouds Of Heaven, And Came To The Ancient Of Days (God Almighty Father, Yahweh), And They Brought Him Near Before Him." (Daniel 7: 13)

"The Revelation Of Jesus Christ, Which God (Yahweh, Jehovah) Gave Unto Him, To Shew Unto His Servants Things Which Must Shortly Come To Pass; And He Sent And Signified It By His Angel Unto His Servant John:" (Revelation 1:1)

"Jesus Said Unto Them, If God Were Your Father, Ye Would Love Me: For I proceeded Forth And Came From God (Yahweh); Neither Came I Of Myself, But He Sent Me." (John 8: 42) 

How Come Trinitarians Are Preaching Three Gods With Equal Powers And Strength When The Bible Never Said So. What Do You Believe? Bible Never Calls Jesus As God Almighty But Calls Him Only Begotten Son Of God Who Is Subservient To God Almighty And Was Sent By God To Redeem All Mankind To God Almighty By The Shedding Of His Precious Blood As Instructed By The Ancient Of Days.

Origin of the Doctrine of Trinity

Did you care to know the origin of trinity and what it stands for? I guess you don't know, let me help you:


"What occurred at the Council of Nicea?"

The Council of Nicea took place in AD 325 by order of the Roman Emperor Caesar Flavius Constantine. Nicea was located in Asia Minor, east of Constantinople. At the Council of Nicea, Emperor Constantine presided over a group of church bishops and other leaders with the purpose of defining the nature of God for all of Christianity and eliminating confusion, controversy, and contention within the church. The Council of Nicea overwhelmingly affirmed the deity and eternality of Jesus Christ and defined the relationship between the Father and the Son as “of one substance.” It also affirmed the Trinity—the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit were listed as three co-equal and co-eternal Persons.

Constantine, who claimed conversion to Christianity, called for a meeting of bishops to be held in Nicea to resolve some escalating controversies among the church leadership. The issues being debated included the nature of Jesus Christ, the proper date to celebrate Easter, and other matters. The failing Roman Empire, now under Constantine’s rule, could not withstand the division caused by years of hard-fought, “out of hand” arguing over doctrinal differences. The emperor saw the quarrels within the church not only as a threat to Christianity but as a threat to society as well. Therefore, at the Council of Nicea, Constantine encouraged the church leaders to settle their internal disagreements and become Christlike agents who could bring new life to a troubled empire. Constantine felt “called” to use his authority to help bring about unity, peace, and love within the church.

The main theological issue had always been about Christ. Since the end of the apostolic age, Christians had begun debating these questions: Who is the Christ? Is He more divine than human or more human than divine? Was Jesus created or begotten? Being the Son of God, is He co-equal and co-eternal with the Father, or is He lower in status than the Father? Is the Father the one true God, or are the Father, Son, and Spirit the one true God?

A priest named Arius presented his argument that Jesus Christ was not an eternal being, that He was created at a certain point in time by the Father. Bishops such as Alexander and the deacon Athanasius argued the opposite position: that Jesus Christ is eternal, just like the Father is. It was an argument pitting trinitarianism against monarchianism.

Constantine prodded the 300 bishops in the council make a decision by majority vote defining who Jesus Christ is. The statement of doctrine they produced was one that all of Christianity would follow and obey, called the “Nicene Creed.” This creed was upheld by the church and enforced by the Emperor. The bishops at Nicea voted to make the full deity of Christ the accepted position of the church. The Council of Nicea upheld the doctrine of Christ’s true divinity, rejecting Arius’s heresy. The council did not invent this doctrine. Rather, it only recognized what the Bible already taught.

The New Testament teaches that Jesus the Messiah should be worshipped, which is to say He is co-equal with God. The New Testament forbids the worship of angels (Colossians 2:18; Revelation 22:8, 9) but commands worship of Jesus. The apostle Paul tells us that “in Christ all the fullness of the Deity lives in bodily form” (Colossians 2:9; 1:19). Paul declares Jesus as Lord and the One to whom a person must pray for salvation (Romans 10:9-13; cf. Joel 2:32). “Jesus is God overall” (Romans 9:5) and our God and Savior (Titus 2:13). Faith in Jesus’ deity is basic to Paul’s theology.

John’s Gospel declares Jesus to be the divine, eternal Logos, the agent of creation and source of life and light (John 1:1-5,9); "the Way, the Truth, and the Life" (John 14:6); our advocate with the Father (1 John 2:1-2); the Sovereign (Revelation 1:5); and the Son of God from the beginning to the end (Revelation 22:13). The author of Hebrews reveals the deity of Jesus through His perfection as the most high priest (Hebrews 1; Hebrews 7:1-3). The divine-human Savior is the Christian’s object of faith, hope, and love.

The Council of Nicea did not invent the doctrine of the deity of Christ. Rather, the Council of Nicea affirmed the apostles’ teaching of who Christ is—the one true God and the Second Person of the Trinity, with the Father and the Holy Spirit.

N.B: It is not known why the term "Trinity" was adopted by these 300 Bishops assembled by Constantine the Great, because throughout the Biblical teachings through the Prophets and other writers until the time of Christ manifestations there was no concrete expository teachings in the Bible equating the power of Christ to God Almighty either in substance or in authority but that these two personalities are different and distinct beings with a clear definition of superiority from God Almighty (Yahweh) to Jesus Christ (God's Almighty Only  Begotten Son), sent from above, which was clearly against their positions at this meeting on Trinity. One unique outcome from this Episcopal meeting at the Council of Nicea is that, Jesus Christ remains a Divine Being that deserves to be worshipped as mandated upon him by His Father in Heaven, God Almighty. 

"Who was Constantine the Great?"

Constantine the Great (AD 280—337) was one of Rome’s most powerful and successful emperors and the first to self-identify as a Christian. He is known for his economic, political, and military achievements, as well as his religious reforms. Medieval writers praised him as the ideal ruler, against whom all kings were measured. Over time, his reign was viewed with waning enthusiasm. Historians also began to debate how committed Constantine was to Christianity or how devoutly he actually followed it. Constantine was influential in Christian history for his personal faith, religious politics, issuing the Edict of Milan, and calling the Council of Nicea.

Constantine was the son of a Roman official and his Christian concubine. This placed him in line to succeed the throne of the Western Roman Empire. At age 31, he prepared to attack his chief rival with an army outnumbered 4-to-1. Before the battle, Constantine claimed to have seen a vision of Jesus, with a specific symbol, telling him, “By this sign, conquer.” Constantine ordered his troops to mark their shields with this symbol, the Chi-Rho, then a symbol commonly representing Christianity. The Chi-Rho combines the first two letters in the Greek word for “Christ” and resembles a capital P with an X drawn through the spine. Constantine’s forces routed the enemy, and he became emperor. The Chi-Rho symbol would be part of Constantine’s personal signature for the rest of his life.

As emperor, Constantine issued the Edict of Milan, which declared Roman citizens free to worship whatever gods they chose. The Edict of Milan ended longstanding persecution of Christians in the Roman Empire. At that time, Constantine did not (yet) claim to be a Christian himself, nor did he advocate for an official state religion. Based on his continued use of certain pagan symbols, scholars believe Constantine’s early religion was generally theistic, rather than specifically Christian. His boldness in using Christian language grew during his reign. After assuming control of the entire Roman Empire, he built lavish churches and came to openly espouse Christianity.

During Constantine’s reign, controversy arose over the teachings of Arius, who denied the full divinity of Jesus. Constantine called a meeting of Christian bishops, the Council of Nicea, to settle the dispute. Contrary to popular myth, this meeting did not discuss the canon of the Bible, nor was Constantine influential in the council’s decisions. Emperors saw themselves as responsible for promoting “correct” forms of worship; Constantine’s interest was not to declare orthodoxy but to let the bishops determine it so that he could enforce it. Further, Constantine was not known for his philosophical ability and found himself lost in deeper discussions of theology. Rather, he acted as the council’s mediator and host, roles at which he excelled.

Constantine’s Christian faith has frequently been critiqued, if not questioned outright. On one hand, he made great strides in securing political and social rights for Christians and initiating general humanitarian reforms. He poured time and money into building churches and publicly supporting Christianity. Particularly toward the end of his reign, Constantine vocally professed faith in Christ and credited his success to God. He was baptized shortly before his death, according to the common practice of his time.

On the other hand, Constantine continued many pagan practices, including veneration of the sun. His interest in Christian orthodoxy was motivated primarily by a desire to maintain social order. There are also reasons to suspect that Constantine was as ruthless toward rivals as prior emperors had been. One of his sons, a brother-in-law, and his second wife were executed for reasons still unknown. He freely blended pagan practices with Christian beliefs, leading scholars to suggest his public adoption of Christianity might have been a savvy political move, linking him to a rising social force in the Roman Empire.

Ultimately, whether Constantine was a committed Christian, a shrewd, Christian-friendly politician, or something in between is an open question. Without doubt, he ended centuries of persecution and greatly enhanced the social standing of Christianity. He committed resources to churches and Christian education, and his leadership helped to clarify important Christian doctrines. However, Constantine’s actions resulted in some negative complications. Free from persecution, the church naturally attracted more false converts. The melding of Christian themes with secular politics set a pattern that contributed to later disasters such as the Inquisition and the Crusades. Constantine’s blending of pagan, building-and-priest-centered worship with Christianity also contributed to the rise of Roman Catholicism.

Constantine’s legacy is complex and not wholly understood, but he stands as one of the dominant figures in Christian history. Without doubt, his influence transformed Christianity from a persecuted minority into the eventual state religion of the Roman Empire and the most widespread faith in history.

Knowing who Emperor Flavius Constantine was and his beliefs according to his history will tell the Church clearly what is the Bible standpoint on some teachings before the outcome of the Council of Nicea as advocated for and supported by the Emperor. 

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99 percent of christians in Nigeria don't even know what the council of nicea is or care to know.
They don't know the history of the religion they practice or how the bible was canonized.

They just practice these false religion imposed on them by their colonial masters.

Techguy96:
99 percent of christians in Nigeria don't even know what the council of nicea is or care to know.
They don't know the history of the religion they practice or how the bible was canonized.

They just practice these false religion imposed on them by their colonial masters.

God never commanded any council to convene in His name to begin with and He never gave men authority to circumvent His New Covenant, and Law in the Kingdom of God, so what happened in Nicea had absolutely nothing to do with God and His commandments.

And so all those who subscribe to any or all of the doctrines and traditions of men(and their churches, all of them founded on what transpired in Nicea) do so against God and His Truth, Jesus Christ.

In essence, the OP is wrong in his claim that Constantine made a mistake. Constantine and the bishops sought to have power and control over the Christian movement just as the Pharisees and Sadducees had over the Jewish minds before Christianity, and what they did was create doctrines and traditions to this end.

Kobojunkie:
God never commanded any council to convene in His name to begin with and He never gave men authority to circumvent His New Covenant, and Law in the Kingdom of God, so technically what happened in Nicea had absolutely nothing to do with God and His commandments.

And so all those who subscribe to any or all of the doctrines and traditions of men(and their churches, all of them founded on what transpired in nicea) do so against God and His Truth, Jesus Christ.

In essence, the OP is wrong in his claim that Constantine made a mistake. Constantine, and the bishops sought to have power and control over the Christian movement just as the pharisees, and Sadducees had over the Jewish minds before Christianity, and what they did was create doctrines and traditions to this end.

You will still agree with me that it was a mistake to think they can help God's work by forming a cult like body to tweak His work.......

tomakint:
You will still agree with me that I was a mistake to think they can help God's work by forming a cult like body to tweak His work.......

Well, there mission was to gain power and control over the Christian movement and they accomplished that since the churches, which exists to this day, that came out of that mission, beginning even there in Rome, continue to be founded on many, if not all, of the doctrines and traditions of that council and the men that came after them.

So what you tag a mistake was intended.

Kobojunkie:
God never commanded any council to convene in His name to begin with and He never gave men authority to circumvent His New Covenant, and Law in the Kingdom of God, so technically what happened in Nicea had absolutely nothing to do with God and His commandments.

And so all those who subscribe to any or all of the doctrines and traditions of men(and their churches, all of them founded on what transpired in nicea) do so against God and His Truth, Jesus Christ.

In essence, the OP is wrong in his claim that Constantine made a mistake. Constantine, and the bishops sought to have power and control over the Christian movement just as the pharisees, and Sadducees had over the Jewish minds before Christianity, and what they did was create doctrines and traditions to this end.

The basics of your entire religion was from the council of nicea, without the council, u won't even have a bible to read or a god to serve.

Techguy96:

The basics of your entire religion was from the council of nicea, without the council, u won't even have a bible to read or a god to serve.

Well, scripture wasn't written by the Council, so no, the basics of the belief itself was not created by the Council. Instead, as I already mentioned, what the council did, was attempt to hijack the movement, just like the Phariseeic and Sadduseeic groups before them, by placing their doctrines and traditions above what is documented in Scripture itself.

Kobojunkie:
Well, scripture wasn't written by the Council, so no, the basics of the belief itself was not created by the Council. Instead, as I already mentioned, what the council did, was attempt to hijack the movement, just like the Phariseeic and Sadduseeic groups before them, by placing their doctrines and traditions above what is documented in Scripture itself.

Nobody knew who wrote the scrolls which was later canonized to the bible. The bible was written from a third person perspective, more like someone telling a story he probably heard from another person.
The basics of the believe was not created by council of nicea but they unified Christianity and made it what it is today, without them Christianity wouldn't be in existence today.

They didn't hijacked but unified the religion, before the council, the Christianity practice in Ethiopia was different from the one practice is some other places.

Techguy96:
1. Nobody knew who wrote the scrolls which was later canonized to the bible. The bible was written from a third person perspective, more like someone telling a story he probably heard from another person.

2. The basics of the believe was not created by council of nicea but they unified Christianity and made it what it is today, without them Christianity wouldn't be in existence today.

3. They didn't hijacked but unified the religion, before the council, the Christianity practice in Ethiopia was different from the one practice is some other places.

1. The authors of some of the scripts are known...

2. And what you call Christianity today has little to no bearing on what Jesus Christ instituted just over 2000 years ago. What those men helped created is a false religion and that false religion is what many adhere to and know to the day.

3. They attempted to hijack the movement, creating a false religion by it. The Christianity practiced and known today is a departure from Christianity as taught by Jesus Christ Himself. So, their unification was meant to give the control and power and resulted in what is a false religion.

Kobojunkie:
1. The authors of some of the scripts are known...

2. And what you call Christianity today has little to no bearing on what Jesus Christ instituted just over 2000 years ago. What those men helped created is a false religion and that false religion is what many adhere to and know to the day.

3. They attempted to hijack the movement, creating a false religion by it. The Christianity practiced and known today is a departure from Christianity as taught by Jesus Christ Himself. So, their unification was meant to give the control and power and resulted in what is a false religion.

U don't seem to understand me, so bye.

Techguy96:
U don't seem to understand me, so bye.

I understand what you are attempting you quite well...however, I am saying you are not entirely accurate in your assertions.

tomakint:
The Mistakes Of Constantine That Birthed The Trinity Doctrine, Paganism With Christianity!

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First, note that "All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness" - (2 Timothy 3:16)

Second, the 1st book of John was Holy Spirit inspired in approximately 85 - 95 A.D. in which GOD declares "For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one." - 1 John 5:7

Finally, by your admission "Constantine..." was on and walked this earth from approx. "(AD 280—337)"

So pray tell, which was revealed first??

Just as notable... the very first mention of GOD Almighty as Triune (i.e. consisting of Three in One) is in Genesis where one can read, "And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth." - Genesis 1:26

"I and my Father are one." - John 10:30

xproducer:


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First, note that "All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness" - (2 Timothy 3:16)

Second, the 1st book of John was Holy Spirit inspired in approximately 85 - 95 A.D. in which GOD declares "For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one." - 1 John 5:7

Finally, by your admission "Constantine..." was on and walked this earth from approx. "(AD 280—337)"

So pray tell, which was revealed first??

Just as notable... the very first mention of GOD Almighty as Triune (i.e. consisting of Three in One) is in Genesis where one can read, "And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth." - Genesis 1:26

"I and my Father are one." - John 10:30

God is Supreme and He Alone Is One but how come some Christians call Jesus God When the Bible never said so. Below is my take with references from the Holy Scriptures;

I Saw In The Night Visions, And, Behold, One Like The Son Of Man (Jesus Christ) Came With The Clouds Of Heaven, And Came To The Ancient Of Days (God Almighty Father, Yahweh), And They Brought Him Near Before Him. (Daniel 7: 13)
The Revelation Of Jesus Christ, Which God (Yahweh, Jehovah) Gave Unto Him, To Shew Unto His Servants Things Which Must Shortly Come To Pass; And He Sent And Signified It By His Angel Unto His Servant John: (Revelation 1:1)

Jesus Said Unto Them, If God Were Your Father, Ye Would Love Me: For I proceeded Forth And Came From God (Yahweh); Neither Came I Of Myself, But He Sent Me. (John 8: 42) How Come Trinitarians Are Preaching Three Gods With Equal Powers And Strength When The Bible Never Said So. What Do You Believe? Bible Never Calls Jesus As God Almighty But Calls Him Only Begotten Son Of God Who Is Subservient To God Almighty And Was Sent By God To Redeem All Mankind To God Almighty By The Shedding Of His Precious Blood As Instructed By The Ancient Of Days.

I keep wondering where the issue or debates of "Jesus Christ Equal God Almighty should be debated" when Jesus Christ already addressed that issue in John 10: 30-38;

30. I and my Father are one.
31. Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him.
32. Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me?
33. The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.
34. Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?
35. If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;
36. Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?
37. If I do not the works of my Father, believe me not.
38. But if I do, though ye believe not me, believe the works: that ye may know, and believe, that the Father is in me, and I in him.

Looking at Christ's own defense here is just ok for anyone who wants to learn that Christ never addressed himself as "God" but always call himself "Son of God" as seen in verse 36 where he countered the wrong insinuation by the Jews when they wrongly accused him of making himself "God" in verse 33.

I have heard some Pastors and teachers of the Holy Scriptures saying Jesus Christ was the same as "I AM THAT I AM" and even linked that to what Jesus said before the Jews in John 8: 58 when he said, "Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am." which to me is barbaric and unscriptural.

Some even take John 1: 1-5 as meaning Jesus Is God the Father when it is very clear here the word God here is what Jesus Christ said in John 10: 34; "Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?" here Christ was quoting Psalms 82:6; "I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High." here Jesus was trying to make the Jews realized that if mere men (mortals) are referred to as god then how much him that came from God, sanctified and ordered to be the Word of God to mankind cannot address himself as "Son of God"? (John 10: 35-36).

If you are going with the Doctrine of Trinity as saying Jesus is of equal status as God Almighty then you are rewriting the Bible which should not be seen with someone professing Christ as his personal Lord and Saviour. Reflect on this, if Jesus is of equal status and form with God then why does the Bible say this; "Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:" (Deuteronomy 6:4) and you wondered why Jesus said the followings;
"You have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If you loved me, you would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I." (John 14:28); "16. And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Teacher, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?
17. And he said unto him, Why do you call me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if you will enter into life, keep the commandments. (Matthew 19: 16 -17) you can study; Mark 10: 17-18, Luke 18: 18-19. It is very simple Jesus Christ gave all respect to His Father in Heaven as the only God that is Good and not even Him for he always "reverence His Father". I don't think it would be appropriate to say "a God is showing reverence to another God" which is clearly what you are insinuating. Jesus also said this about His God, my God, your God whom we worship; "But of that day and hour knows no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only." (Matthew 24:36). Even the book of Mark 13: 32 was deeper in this; "But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father."! As you can see if Jesus is God of equal power and form with God he wouldn't have said only God is good nor him accepting the fact that not even him as the "Son" knows the hour when the last days judgment shall come.

I can go on and on where Christ was speaking and not his Apostles now but him talking about his status with God which I believe you can relate to but let me stop here because I know as an Holy Spirit- filled reader of the Bible you can be guided by the Spirit of Wisdom and Truth to know more about Jesus Doctrine which is Divine and Doctrines of Men which is sensual. Take care and God bless you.

xproducer:


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First, note that "All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness" - (2 Timothy 3:16)

Second, the 1st book of John was Holy Spirit inspired in approximately 85 - 95 A.D. in which GOD declares "For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one." - 1 John 5:7

Finally, by your admission "Constantine..." was on and walked this earth from approx. "(AD 280—337)"

So pray tell, which was revealed first??

Just as notable... the very first mention of GOD Almighty as Triune (i.e. consisting of Three in One) is in Genesis where one can read, "And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth." - Genesis 1:26

"I and my Father are one." - John 10:30

The trinity doctrine is not biblical. Jesus Christ as said by the Holy Writ (The Bible) opined that He (Jesus) is sitting at the right hand of power (God) in revelation. Jesus is not Yahweh and neither are they co-equal.

To buttress more on this, read up; 1 Cor. 15:24-28

24 Then cometh the end, when he (Jesus) shall have delivered up the kingdom to God (Yahweh), even the Father (Yahweh); when he (Jesus) shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.

25 For he (Jesus) must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.

26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.

27 For he (Yahweh) hath put all things under his (Jesus) feet. But when he saith all things are put under him (Jesus), it is manifest that he (Yahweh) is excepted, which did put all things under him (Jesus).

28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him (Jesus), then shall the Son (Jesus) also himself be subject unto him (Yahweh) that put all things under him (Jesus), that God (Yahweh) may be all in all.

The clarity of these verses I quoted were fully fulfilled in Revelations Chapter 5 (with emphasis on verses 9 to 14) when power was formally transferred to Jesus as revealed there in other to be the link for our redemption back to God Almighty (Yahweh) as a result of our fall from Grace in the Garden of Eden through our first parents, Adam and Eve!

God(Yahweh) the father has no equal.

Shalom!

The trinity doctrine teaches that God the Father, the Son and the Holyspirit are equal and one and the same God.
Although a very popular and widely accepted doctrine among christains the trinity doctrine is unbiblical and not in accordance with the word of God. The word Trinity does not appear in the Bible neither was such doctrine taught by the Apostles or known to the early Christains.
The trinity doctrine was instituted by men at the Council of Nicaea in AD325 and at Council of Constantinople in AD381.
The trinity doctrine has it's origin in pagan Sun god worship that was started by Nimrod and his wife.

Who is God and Jesus?
The Bible is clear on the identity of God and his Son, Jesus they are 2 different beings or persons
Although one in unity and purpose, their relationship is that of father and Son.
The Apostles always identified God as the father who has neither beginning or end ,who alone has immortality,all power and authority they also identified and distinguished Jesus as the only begotten Son of God and not God the Father himself here is an example.
2John1:3 Grace be with you, mercy and peace, from God the Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of the Father, in truth and love.
The identity of Jesus was well known to the discples of Jesus
Peter in Matt 16:16,Martha the sister of Lazarus, the Centurion man,the high priest and many others including the Demons all identified Jesus as the son of God (remember Demons are fallen Angels)matthew8:29.
It is important that we understand who Jesus is, as Jesus himself was interested in knowing whom people said he was. Luke 9:18

All through the Bible the personality of God and Jesus has been established and clearly stated.
It will be illogical for Jesus while he was on Earth to teach that he was sent by his father if he himself was the father.
The question is who sent Jesus?
who did Jesus pray to when he was on the cross or when he raised Lazarus from the grave?Who was Jesus pleading to to take away the cup? John 12:27
Whose will was Jesus referring to when he said father not my will but yours, mark 14:36
The evidence shows that Jesus was not the Father acting as the Son here on Earth but was the Son of God sent by God to the Earth to die as a ransom for man,John 6:38

Jesus, Son of God

The trinity doctrine teaches a 3in 1 god, that there are 3 but equal gods.
It denies the word of God that says Jesus is the BEGOTTEN Son of God. the same way a biological father proceeds his son so also God the Father proceeds his son, Jesus Christ.
The Bible refers to Jesus as the first born of all creations Colossians 1:15,proverbs 8:22-end,Rev 3:14.
Jesus was brought into existence at a certain time by his father before the World was created. Acts 13:33, God hath fulfilled the same unto us their children, in that he hath raised up Jesus again; as it is also written in the second psalm, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee.

John5:26 For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself; so it was God that gave Jesus life and not Jesus having his own life independently as claimed by trinitarians.
here are Jesus own words on his origin and existence.
Proverbs 8:22.
Unlike the Angels and other created beings who were made by the hand of God, Jesus proceeded or came out from his father John 8:42,16:27&28,17:8
He had the very nature , image and substance of his father, God. which no other created being has. Hebrews 1:4 Being MADE so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.
Hebrews 1:5 For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son? 1:6 And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him.

Note: Angels are sons of God by creation,born again Christains are sons of God by adoption (Romans 8:14-15) but Jesus Christ is the Son of God by inheritance Heb 1:4,

Are they Equal?

The trinity teaches that Jesus and the Holyspirit are co-equal with God but the Bible is abundantly clear that the son is not Co-equal with God.
No where in the Bible did Jesus ever call himself God or equate himself to the father rather he reiterated the fact that he was sent by the father to do the will of the father and that the one who sends another is greater than the one sent.John13:16-20.
John 17:13, Matthew 10:40,John 10:18.
Rather than claim equality with God as fasely taught by the trinity doctrine Jesus declares that his father is greater than him in John 14:28,he also calls his father his God Matt 27:46,John 20:17, here are some other verses to clearify this point
1Corinthains11:3,Colossians 1:14-19,John 5:19-47,John 5:19 & 5:20,John 5:27, Isaiah 53:11,Isaiah 42:1,Isaiah 49:7 Luke 24:19,
Philippians 2:5
Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: 2:6 Who, being in the form of God(nature of God, of cos he was born by God so he will bear God's nature), thought it not robbery to be equal with God: 2:7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men :2:8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross. 2:9 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name.

God Honours his Son.

After the ressurection and Ascension of Jesus to Heaven God exalted Jesus and gave him a name above every other name Philippians 2:9.
It will be illogical for God to exalts and give power and authority to Jesus if he was co- equal with God and already had those privileges.Ephesians 1:20-23, Mark 12:36.
The Bible also teaches that at the end of the great controversy between good and evil when all power and principalities have been subdued for the sake of Jesus. Than Jesus will subject all things including himself to God 1Corinthians 15:28.

Who is the Holyspirit.

The Holyspirit is not a person or being as taught by the trinitarians but the the Holyspirit is the spirit of God and his Son Jesus, Ephesians 4:30, 1Thessalonians 4:8,God is a spirit who has a spirit which is his mind,will,purpose,power, and presence Genesis 1:2, Zachariah 4:6, 1peter 1:1.
It is this spirit that God sends to us that dwells in us and enables us to do his will,Romans 8:9&11, 1john4:13, Isaiah 63:11, 1Corinthains 3:16, 1 Corinthians 12:8-11,John 7:39,14:17, Ezeikel 36:27.
Just as we showed earlier that Jesus did nothing of his own will or desire but that of his father so also the Holy spirit can only speak and show what it is instructed to say . This is evidence that it is not a being Co-equal with God that has it's own power and will.
There are few verses that have been taken out of context and are used by the trinitarians to promote their false doctrines
E.g is that the Bible refers to the Holy spirit as HE this does not prove anything because there are examples in the Bible where non- living things are personified or expressed with words like he or his examples are in proverbs 1:20,7:4,8:1,9:1where wisdom and knowledge are reffered to as he,his,she this also applies to the Holy spirit.
The Holy Spirit is likened to a gift
In Luke 11:13,God pours out his Holy spirit Acts 2:18.
The identity and function of the Holy Spirit will be treated in subsequent articles.

Implications of the Trinity doctrine.

This doctrine has severe implications and consequences as it teaches that Jesus is not the literal Son of God,that Jesus is the same age as the father and has always existed along side him but this will make them twins and not a real Father and Son it also teaches that the holyspirit is a being Co-equal and co-eternal making them triplets.

Thus the trinity doctrine denies that both the father and son are two different persons thus it denies their personality or persons.

Apostle Paul taught Christains that the Antichrist is anyone or teaching that denies Jesus is the son of God and thus denies the father and son 1John2:22-23,1john 4:3
It distorts who God says he is.
The doctrine of trinity also lends credance or promotes the Catholic teaching that Mary is the mother of God since it claims Jesus is God and Co-equal to God. It is not surprising that this trinity doctrine was instituted by the usual suspects the Catholic Church and they claim it is the foundation on which all other of there teachings is based on.

Note:The angel that delivered the message to Virgin Mary told her that the child will be called( the Son of God) and not God. Nothing stops God from describing Jesus as God or his twin or avatar, rather he used the adjective SON of God to distinguish him from the Father.

Conclusion.
The trinity doctrine cannot be proved in the Bible neither does it have any divine origin or inspiration.
It is one of those man made doctrines that have crept into Christaintity. it is unacceptable to God and contracdicts God's word about himself.
A lot of lies have been sold to us as Bible doctrines which are not Biblical, I urge the readers to do more research on this topic and to diligently search the word of God 2 Timothy 2:15, just like Paul said that we should prove all things through the scripture, rightfully dividing the word of God and not depending on men or some few Bible verses that have been lifted out of context inorder to suit a preconcieved belief or idea.1Thessalonians 5:21

Thank you.

- blueAgent

@Tomakint

Its contradictory when you say Jesus is not God and not divine but you claim He has same substance with the Father.

Do you now the philosophical implication of having same substance? It simply means it is it: one and same thing. How can you say Jesus has the substance of God but isn't God?

Philippians 2:6 says clearly Jesus has the same form as God, but out of humility He didn't claim equality with God, something that He is and could easily boast about. Explains to you why He didn't go around telling everyone He's God.

The clearest biblical place that calls him God is John's gospel 1:1. How do you people ignore this biko?
In the beginning was the Word, the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Jesus was with God as you know him as the Father, but that Jesus was God too. Yet it doesn't make 2 gods but 1 same God in 3 persons (Father, Son and Holy Spirit). That's why in genesis creation the creator said "Let us make...". That's a call to not only 1 person but more than 1 involved in the creation.

How do you people call yourself Christians but the "Christ" that you follow isn't God? Must be depressing to know that.

Yet, at your churches you all scream "Oh Jesus, I worship you". You worship someone who isn't God? That's idolatry. You call on Jesus to forgive you your sins when it's only God who can forgive.

Men, I don't get you Christians again.

There's a reason the Catholic Church is the first and unadulterated Christian faith. Protestantism entered and adulterated it all and now they've got to the extent of denying that the God they worship and follow isn't God. Chai, devil de work oh.

tomakint:


The trinity doctrine is not biblical. Jesus Christ as said by the Holy Writ (The Bible) opined that He (Jesus) is sitting at the right hand of power (God) in revelation. Jesus is not Yahweh and neither are they co-equal.

To buttress more on this, read up; 1 Cor. 15:24-28

24 Then cometh the end, when he (Jesus) shall have delivered up the kingdom to God (Yahweh), even the Father (Yahweh); when he (Jesus) shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.

25 For he (Jesus) must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.

26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.

27 For he (Yahweh) hath put all things under his (Jesus) feet. But when he saith all things are put under him (Jesus), it is manifest that he (Yahweh) is excepted, which did put all things under him (Jesus).

28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him (Jesus), then shall the Son (Jesus) also himself be subject unto him (Yahweh) that put all things under him (Jesus), that God (Yahweh) may be all in all.

The clarity of these verses I quoted were fully fulfilled in Revelations Chapter 5 (with emphasis on verses 9 to 14) when power was formally transferred to Jesus as revealed there in other to be the link for our redemption back to God Almighty (Yahweh) as a result of our fall from Grace in the Garden of Eden through our first parents, Adam and Eve!

God(Yahweh) the father has no equal.

Shalom!

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This is why it is imperative for us to humbly and prayerfully compare "spiritual things with spiritual." - 1 Corinthians 2:13, that is, compare Holy Scripture with Holy Scripture.

The entire word of GOD is harmonious. In so doing you will see that The Holy Father calls The Son many things Wonderful, including "GOD" as does The Son call the Holy Father, GOD!

"But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom. Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows." - Hebrews 1:8-9

Remember that the Lord JESUS, the CHRIST Is the Son of GOD, and necessarily came in the flesh as the Son of man.

"Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men: And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross." - Philippians 2:6-8

The Lord JESUS, the CHRIST Is the Creator, the Living Word! -
"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made." - John 1:1-3 (Also Hebrews 1:1-3)

The Lord JESUS, the CHRIST Is the Great I AM! -
"Then said the Jews unto him, Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast thou seen Abraham? Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am." - John 8:57-58

You say that "God(Yahweh) the father has no equal." This is true. There is only one Holy GOD and there is no other God besides Him. Recall though this harmonious part of Scripture:

"But Jesus answered them, My Father worketh hitherto, and I work. Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God.Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise." - John 5:17-19

I pray that we all come to understand as the Lord GOD so graciously permits!

Please where is "TRINITY" written in the Bible?

ask4bk:
Men, I don't get you Christians again.

There's a reason the Catholic Church is the first and unadulterated Christian faith. Protestantism entered and adulterated it all and now they've got to the extent of denying that the God they worship and follow isn't God. Chai, devil de work oh.

The Catholic church happens to be the father of adulteration as far as the Christian faith is concerned. Most 98% of churches, what we refer to being of the protestant movement, get their roots from the Catholic church which thanks to Constantine, was able to gain much of the power and control over the movement it has to this day, and this against the very commandments of Jesus Christ.

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This is why it is imperative for us to humbly and prayerfully compare "spiritual things with spiritual." - 1 Corinthians 2:13, that is, compare Holy Scripture with Holy Scripture. The entire word of GOD is harmonious.

Agreed.

xproducer:


In so doing you will see that The Holy Father calls The Son many things Wonderful, including "GOD" as does The Son call the Holy Father, GOD!

Hosea 12:3-4, Psalms 8:5 your Bible calls angel GOD (Elohim).
Do you agree angel is GOD, according to your Bible?
God calls Jesus & men "mighty God", NOT Almighty God.

xproducer:


"But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom. Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows." - Hebrews 1:8-9.

"Thy throne o God" is NOT authentic.
Why?
Hebrews 1:8 is a copy of Psalms 45:6-7 of the Hebrew Masoretic text.
"Thy throne given of God". (Scriptural evidence for Luke 1:31-33. Revelation3:21 & 1 chronicles 29:23.).
When you claim Jesus is God anointed by his God, you are telling Nairaland you worship 2 GODS. .
John 20;17, did Jesus worship 2 GODS?

xproducer:


Remember that the Lord JESUS, the CHRIST Is the Son of GOD, and necessarily came in the flesh as the Son of man.

In the spiritual realm he is a son of God his Father. Revelation3:5,12,21.

xproducer:


"Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men: And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross." - Philippians 2:6-8.

Phillipians 2:6 Bill Mounce Greek Interlinear sets the record straight.
Greek interlinear version is different from Trinitarian translation.
John 14:28 & Revelation 3:5, 1 Corinthians 15:24-27, it is robbery to ascribe equality.

xproducer:


The Lord JESUS, the CHRIST Is the Creator, the Living Word! -
"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made." - John 1:1-3 (Also Hebrews 1:1-3) .

Your Bible says Jesus Christ is the agency of creation NOT the Creator. 1 Corinthians 8:5-6, Colossians 1:15-16, John 1:3 , the Greek word is "DIA antou /THROUGH him" & Ephesians 4:6 proven that.

xproducer:


The Lord JESUS, the CHRIST Is the Great I AM! -
"Then said the Jews unto him, Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast thou seen Abraham? Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am." - John 8:57-58

The Jews do not have "I Am" in Hebrew @ Exodus 3:14.
Ehyeh Asher Ehyeh means "I will be what I will be."
That is Judaism for you.
Therefore, Greek I am @ John 8:58 have ZERO connection to Exodus 3:14.
Your " I am" says he has his God and Father @John20:17 effectively nulify your claim on John 8:58.

xproducer:


You say that "God(Yahweh) the father has no equal." This is true. There is only one Holy GOD and there is no other God besides Him.

That him is the God of Acts 3:13.
Yet, you claim 2 persons -Father and son is "him".

xproducer:


Recall though this harmonious part of Scripture:

"But Jesus answered them, My Father worketh hitherto, and I work. Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God.Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise." - John 5:17-19.

Jesus Christ proven he copies from his Father.
Yet you imitate the Jews to make the FALSE claim Jesus NEVER made, John 14:28

xproducer:


I pray that we all come to understand as the Lord GOD so graciously permits!

The LORD GOD is Yahweh Almighty, NOT Jesus Christ. Psalms 83:18.
(Source: Preface of the American Standard Bible).

Shalom.

Kobojunkie:
The Catholic church happens to be the father of adulteration as far as the Christian faith is concerned. Most 98% of churches, what is referred to as the protestant movement, get their roots from the Catholic church which thanks to Constantine, was able to gain much of the power and control over the movement it has to this day.

If the Catholic Church is flawed in her doctrine then it means all Christianity is flawed, since the Catholic Church is the mother Church and first and existed unadulterated for over 1500 years before the first change of doctrine with the birth of protestantism.

That's a big if.

The teachings of the Catholic Church hasn't changed since the time of Christ and the apostles till date. The Catholic Church is so organised that not even an article of her faith can be altered. But in protestantism, due to lack of accountability by pastors, various churches or pastors can alter, create and teach their own pseudo faith saying God appeared and told them to say so.

You may not agree with many Catholic teachings like Trinity, Eucharist, sacraments, apostolic succession, use of images, veneration of the Mother of God, etc.... But the fact remains that what she teaches today has always been there since the apostolic era.

Thank God you all confirm that Constantine didn't create any faith. He was dull in faith. He only organised bishops to settle faith disputes and those disputes where settled by affirmed what had been in existence since the apostolic era and not a creation of a new faith.

MaxInDHouse:
Please where is "TRINITY" written in the Bible?

Where is Nairaland written in the bible. Let's kuku find every word in the bible.

Trinity is just a word used to explain that there's is only 1 God but in 3 persons, Father, Son and Holy Spirit.

Will you ask where Father, Son and Holy Spirit is in the bible too?

ask4bk:

Where is Nairaland written in the bible. Let's kuku find every word in the bible.
Trinity is just a word used to explain that there's is only 1 God but in 3 persons, Father, Son and Holy Spirit.
Will you ask where Father, Son and Holy Spirit is in the bible too?

In that case it's better to say "Father, Son and Holy Spirit" instead of Trinity because by then each person will have to figure out who/what the Father is, who/what the Son is and who/what is the Holy Spirit.
The way most people talk about this ungrounded trinity is uncalled for since it never appeared in the Bible!

ask4bk:
1. If the Catholic Church is flawed in her doctrine then it means all Christianity is flawed, since the Catholic Church is the mother Church and first and existed unadulterated for over 1500 years before the first change of doctrine with the birth of protestantism.

That's a big if.

2. The teachings of the Catholic Church hasn't changed since the time of Christ and the apostles till date. The Catholic Church is so organised that not even an article of her faith can be altered. But in protestantism, due to lack of accountability by pastors, various churches or pastors can alter, create and teach their own pseudo faith saying God appeared and told them to say so.

3. You may not agree with many Catholic teachings like Trinity, Eucharist, sacraments, apostolic succession, use of images, veneration of the Mother of God, etc.... But the fact remains that what she teaches today has always been there since the apostolic era.

4. Thank God you all confirm that Constantine didn't create any faith. He was dull in faith. He only organised bishops to settle faith disputes and those disputes where settled by affirmed what had been in existence since the apostolic era and not a creation of a new faith.

1. Precisely! The teachings of the Catholic church has been flawed from its very beginning

2. The teachings of what is your Catholic church came into light after Constantine gave it his stamp of approval, so there it is mistaken to attempt to link its true beginning to the time of Jesus Christ and His apostles more than 300 years before Nicea.

3. It doesn't matter how long the church has maintained its accord with Nicea. The main issue here is Nicea, and Constantine were of men and so the doctrines and traditions of Catholic movement, and protestantism after it, are of men and not according to that established by Jesus Christ Himself.

4. If the Bishops were indeed following the same teachings and commandments of Jesus Christ, then why was there the divide.... and why did Constantine have to come in to settle the dispute among th videos groups to begin with?

Jesus Christ sent all of His followers out to do one job and that job to to teach to those in the World the very same commandments He had Himself given them to live by. Instead, what the many bishops did was seek ways to control and rule over,against the very teachings of Jesus Christ, those they were sent out to teach God's New agreement to, and this ofcourse resulted in the feuds and quarrels over who as right and who was wrong.

Kobojunkie:
1. Precisely! The teachings of the Catholic church has been flawed from its very beginning

2. The teachings of what is your Catholic church came into light after Constantine gave it his stamp of approval, so there it is mistaken to attempt to link its true beginning to the time of Jesus Christ and His apostles more than 300 years before Nicea.

3. It doesn't matter how long the church has maintained its accord with Nicea. The main issue here is Nicea, and Constantine were of men and so the doctrines and traditions of Catholic movement, and protestantism after it, are of men and not according to that established by Jesus Christ Himself.

4. If the Bishops were indeed following the same teachings and commandments of Jesus Christ, then why was there the divide.... and why did Constantine have to come in to settle the dispute among th videos groups to begin with?

Jesus Christ sent all of His followers out to do one job and that job to to teach to those in the World the very same commandments He had Himself given them to live by. Instead, what the many bishops did was seek ways to control and rule over,against the very teachings of Jesus Christ, those they were sent out to teach God's New agreement to, and this ofcourse resulted in the feuds and quarrels over who as right and who was wrong.

You speak like you don't know social language and interpretation realities. Tell your 5 children same instruction and see if at least 2 won't get the instruction right and do something else. That's normal.

Even Saint Paul warned a lot against Christians who taught different things from what was handed from Christ.
"If anyone teaches another doctrine and disagrees with the sound words of our Lord Jesus Christ and with godly teaching, he is conceited and understands nothing. Instead, he has an unhealthy interest in controversies and semantics, out of which come envy, strife, abusive talk, evil suspicions. 1 Tim 6:3-4

Its normal that many would not understand some of the teachings, then they'll alter it and teach their ignorance with so much confidence.
That's why the early Church had the apostles to defend this faith from possible adulterations. The successions of the apostles who are the bishops continue to protect the faith from wrong teaching till this day.
That's why in the 4th century, when Arius began to spit shit about Jesus not being God but just human, it created a conflict and the bishops were called up to discuss on the issue. As defenders of the faith, they condemned Arius and reconfirmed an old apostolic teaching that Jesus is co-substantial with we he Father, making Him true God from true God. Years later they confirmed the same about the Holy Spirit, saying that with the Father and the Son, He (Holy Spirit) is adored and glorified.

So my chief.... Conflicts of interpretations and opinions are normal. What makes the strength of the church is the ability to come forward and condemn any ill teaching.

I don't know what church you attend, but if a member begins to teach that fornication isn't a sin (which some churches are already teaching oh), and people are agreeing, the elders of your church will come together and condemn such teaching immediately and spread the outcome to all.

If the Catholic Church is flawed as you said, then Christianity is flawed. Because Catholic Church is the first and only church whose founder is Jesus himself. That's why it's the first church. Others are found by men who said God commanded them.

You may talk all the rubbish you think about the Catholic Church, but all Christianity owes her big respect for protecting the faith from Jesus till today

ask4bk:
1. You speak like you don't know social language and interpretation realities. Tell your 5 children same instruction and see if at least 2 won't get the instruction right and do something else. That's normal.

2. Even Saint Paul warned a lot against Christians who taught different things from what was handed from Christ.
"If anyone teaches another doctrine and disagrees with the sound words of our Lord Jesus Christ and with godly teaching, he is conceited and understands nothing. Instead, he has an unhealthy interest in controversies and semantics, out of which come envy, strife, abusive talk, evil suspicions. 1 Tim 6:3-4

3. Its normal that many would not understand some of the teachings, then they'll alter it and teach their ignorance with so much confidence.
That's why the early Church had the apostles to defend this faith from possible adulterations. The successions of the apostles who are the bishops continue to protect the faith from wrong teaching till this day.

4. That's why in the 4th century, when Arius began to spit shit about Jesus not being God but just human, it created a conflict and the bishops were called up to discuss on the issue. As defenders of the faith, they condemned Arius and reconfirmed an old apostolic teaching that Jesus is co-substantial with we he Father, making Him true God from true God. Years later they confirmed the same about the Holy Spirit, saying that with the Father and the Son, He (Holy Spirit) is adored and glorified.

So my chief.... Conflicts of interpretations and opinions are normal. What makes the strength of the church is the ability to come forward and condemn any ill teaching.

5. I don't know what church you attend, but if a member begins to teach that fornication isn't a sin (which some churches are already teaching oh), and people are agreeing, the elders of your church will come together and condemn such teaching immediately and spread the outcome to all.

6. If the Catholic Church is flawed as you said, then Christianity is flawed. Because Catholic Church is the first and only church whose founder is Jesus himself. That's why it's the first church. Others are found by men who said God commanded them.

You may talk all the rubbish you think about the Catholic Church, but all Christianity owes her big respect for protecting the faith from Jesus till today

1. What you said here is reason why God penalized His previous shepherds, demanding that in His New Covenant, He alone would teach those who really want to do what He wants by Himself- Jeremiah 31 vs 31 - 34

2. Jesus Christ already stated that all those who teach the doctrines and traditions of men(and their churches), lies, in place of what is God's Truth do so against Him and the Truth of God- Matthew 15 vs 1 - 14 & Mark 7 vs 1 - 13.

3. What you consider "normal", Jesus Christ said was against God aka antiChrist.

Also, as to the bishops who you claim succeeded apparently, their agenda was power and control hence the conflict that ensued.

4. What your bishops did in the 4th century had more to do with maintaining the legitimacy of their new found roles as rulers of the faith, than it did any of what Jesus Christ actually commanded of His followers.

Again, What you consider "normal", Jesus Christ said was against God aka antiChrist.

5. But according to Jesus Christ Himself, what is sin is not fornication but instead the sexual lust in the hearts of men towards women who they aren't married to - Matthew 5 vs 27 - 28.. Regardless of what your bishops and elders claim, what should be upheld are the teachings of Jesus Christ in all situations.

I don't subscribe to any of your churches - Catholic and its many offshoots combined.

6. I already stated that that is indeed the case. What is Christianity today is a complete departure from the teachings of Jesus Christ as written in scripture and that is antiChrist.

Yes, the false religion called Christianity today does indeed owe the Catholic Church its respects, in all its antiChristness.

Kobojunkie:
1. What you said here is reason why God penalized His previous shepherds, demanding that in His New Covenant, He alone would teach those who really want to do what He wants by Himself- Jeremiah 31 vs 31 - 34

2. Jesus Christ already stated that all those who teach the doctrines and traditions of men(and their churches), lies, in place of what is God's Truth do so against Him and the Truth of God- Matthew 15 vs 1 - 14 & Mark 7 vs 1 - 13.

3. What you consider "normal", Jesus Christ said was against God aka antiChrist.

Also, as to the bishops who you claim succeeded apparently, their agenda was power and control hence the conflict that ensued.

4. What your bishops did in the 4th century had more to do with maintaining the legitimacy of their new found roles as rulers of the faith, than it did any of what Jesus Christ actually commanded of His followers.

Again, What you consider "normal", Jesus Christ said was against God aka antiChrist.

5. But according to Jesus Christ Himself, what is sin is not fornication but instead the sexual lust in the hearts of men towards women who they aren't married to - Matthew 5 vs 27 - 28.. Regardless of what your bishops and elders claim, what should be upheld are the teachings of Jesus Christ in all situations.

I don't subscribe to any of your churches - Catholic and its many offshoots combined.

6. I already stated that that is indeed the case. What is Christianity today is a complete departure from the teachings of Jesus Christ as written in scripture and that is antiChrist.

Yes, the false religion called Christianity today does indeed owe the Catholic Church its respects, in all its antiChristness.

And here you are... The most inspired one who alone owns the perfect truth of Christianity as Christ taught, and who alone is untouched from the age long decay in Christianity vectored by the Catholic Church.

You are like the 100 billionth person to think so, and a few of them end of opening their own church to spread that "truth" which only them own, and thus continues the spread of adulterated Christian faith.

Its just like adolescentes who hit 14 years old and suddenly think that their parents and elders got the whole world wrong, while seeing their adolescent mind as the most enlightened truth containing brain that exists.

Bizarre to think one knows better than an over 2000 year old church that has always taught 1 unhindered Christian faith.

Only time will tell.

ask4bk:
1. And here you are... The most inspired one who alone owns the perfect truth of Christianity as Christ taught, and who alone is untouched from the age long decay in Christianity vectored by the Catholic Church.

2. You are like the 100 billionth person to think so, and a few of them end of opening their own church to spread that "truth" which only them own, and thus continues the spread of adulterated Christian faith.

Its just like adolescentes who hit 14 years old and suddenly think that their parents and elders got the whole world wrong, while seeing their adolescent mind as the most enlightened truth containing brain that exists.

3. Bizarre to think one knows better than an over 2000 year old church that has always taught 1 unhindered Christian faith.

Only time will tell.

1. I am afraid everyone who has access to scripture and is honest with his soul has access to the Truth of Jesus Christ. Fortunately, in all their doing and attempts at gathering power and control for themselves, much like the Pharisees and Sadducees before them, men and their churches couldn't and didn't change God's Law, just as Jesus Christ said they would not.

2. Jesus Christ was very clear that He alone is Teacher/Rabbi, Master/Head, Shepherd, Counselor, Helper, Provider etc., to each and everyone of those who belong to Him. He said His own Church He builds with His own hands - He never asked men to build churches or monuments in His name. So what sense is there to your churches when it is all set up against the one you all claim to be for?

3. Jesus Christ, God's New Covenant Law in in Kingdom of God, didnt come for His followers to get a history lesson nor are the things of God to be understood only by those who claim to have history on their side. So, the Kingdom of God and God's Law belongs to all those who will heed the teachings of Jesus Christ and His commandments.... it is not given to a few but to all. No man or organization can hide or hoard it for themselves.

tomakint:
The Mistakes Of Constantine That Birthed The Trinity Doctrine, Paganism With Christianity!


God is Supreme and He Alone Is One but how come some Christians refer to Jesus Christ as the Almighty God (Yahweh) When the Bible never said so. Below is my take with references from the Holy Scriptures why the doctrine of Trinity should not be adopted as a means of referencing the Godhead because of its origin;

"Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:" (Deuteronomy 6:4)

"I Saw In The Night Visions, And, Behold, One Like The Son Of Man (Jesus Christ) Came With The Clouds Of Heaven, And Came To The Ancient Of Days (God Almighty Father, Yahweh), And They Brought Him Near Before Him." (Daniel 7: 13)

"The Revelation Of Jesus Christ, Which God (Yahweh, Jehovah) Gave Unto Him, To Shew Unto His Servants Things Which Must Shortly Come To Pass; And He Sent And Signified It By His Angel Unto His Servant John:" (Revelation 1:1)

"Jesus Said Unto Them, If God Were Your Father, Ye Would Love Me: For I proceeded Forth And Came From God (Yahweh); Neither Came I Of Myself, But He Sent Me." (John 8: 42) 

How Come Trinitarians Are Preaching Three Gods With Equal Powers And Strength When The Bible Never Said So. What Do You Believe? Bible Never Calls Jesus As God Almighty But Calls Him Only Begotten Son Of God Who Is Subservient To God Almighty And Was Sent By God To Redeem All Mankind To God Almighty By The Shedding Of His Precious Blood As Instructed By The Ancient Of Days.

Origin of the Doctrine of Trinity

Did you care to know the origin of trinity and what it stands for? I guess you don't know, let me help you:


"What occurred at the Council of Nicea?"

The Council of Nicea took place in AD 325 by order of the Roman Emperor Caesar Flavius Constantine. Nicea was located in Asia Minor, east of Constantinople. At the Council of Nicea, Emperor Constantine presided over a group of church bishops and other leaders with the purpose of defining the nature of God for all of Christianity and eliminating confusion, controversy, and contention within the church. The Council of Nicea overwhelmingly affirmed the deity and eternality of Jesus Christ and defined the relationship between the Father and the Son as “of one substance.” It also affirmed the Trinity—the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit were listed as three co-equal and co-eternal Persons.

Constantine, who claimed conversion to Christianity, called for a meeting of bishops to be held in Nicea to resolve some escalating controversies among the church leadership. The issues being debated included the nature of Jesus Christ, the proper date to celebrate Easter, and other matters. The failing Roman Empire, now under Constantine’s rule, could not withstand the division caused by years of hard-fought, “out of hand” arguing over doctrinal differences. The emperor saw the quarrels within the church not only as a threat to Christianity but as a threat to society as well. Therefore, at the Council of Nicea, Constantine encouraged the church leaders to settle their internal disagreements and become Christlike agents who could bring new life to a troubled empire. Constantine felt “called” to use his authority to help bring about unity, peace, and love within the church.

The main theological issue had always been about Christ. Since the end of the apostolic age, Christians had begun debating these questions: Who is the Christ? Is He more divine than human or more human than divine? Was Jesus created or begotten? Being the Son of God, is He co-equal and co-eternal with the Father, or is He lower in status than the Father? Is the Father the one true God, or are the Father, Son, and Spirit the one true God?

A priest named Arius presented his argument that Jesus Christ was not an eternal being, that He was created at a certain point in time by the Father. Bishops such as Alexander and the deacon Athanasius argued the opposite position: that Jesus Christ is eternal, just like the Father is. It was an argument pitting trinitarianism against monarchianism.

Constantine prodded the 300 bishops in the council make a decision by majority vote defining who Jesus Christ is. The statement of doctrine they produced was one that all of Christianity would follow and obey, called the “Nicene Creed.” This creed was upheld by the church and enforced by the Emperor. The bishops at Nicea voted to make the full deity of Christ the accepted position of the church. The Council of Nicea upheld the doctrine of Christ’s true divinity, rejecting Arius’s heresy. The council did not invent this doctrine. Rather, it only recognized what the Bible already taught.

The New Testament teaches that Jesus the Messiah should be worshipped, which is to say He is co-equal with God. The New Testament forbids the worship of angels (Colossians 2:18; Revelation 22:8, 9) but commands worship of Jesus. The apostle Paul tells us that “in Christ all the fullness of the Deity lives in bodily form” (Colossians 2:9; 1:19). Paul declares Jesus as Lord and the One to whom a person must pray for salvation (Romans 10:9-13; cf. Joel 2:32). “Jesus is God overall” (Romans 9:5) and our God and Savior (Titus 2:13). Faith in Jesus’ deity is basic to Paul’s theology.

John’s Gospel declares Jesus to be the divine, eternal Logos, the agent of creation and source of life and light (John 1:1-5,9); "the Way, the Truth, and the Life" (John 14:6); our advocate with the Father (1 John 2:1-2); the Sovereign (Revelation 1:5); and the Son of God from the beginning to the end (Revelation 22:13). The author of Hebrews reveals the deity of Jesus through His perfection as the most high priest (Hebrews 1; Hebrews 7:1-3). The divine-human Savior is the Christian’s object of faith, hope, and love.

The Council of Nicea did not invent the doctrine of the deity of Christ. Rather, the Council of Nicea affirmed the apostles’ teaching of who Christ is—the one true God and the Second Person of the Trinity, with the Father and the Holy Spirit.

N.B: It is not known why the term "Trinity" was adopted by these 300 Bishops assembled by Constantine the Great, because throughout the Biblical teachings through the Prophets and other writers until the time of Christ manifestations there was no concrete expository teachings in the Bible equating the power of Christ to God Almighty either in substance or in authority but that these two personalities are different and distinct beings with a clear definition of superiority from God Almighty (Yahweh) to Jesus Christ (God's Almighty Only  Begotten Son), sent from above, which was clearly against their positions at this meeting on Trinity. One unique outcome from this Episcopal meeting at the Council of Nicea is that, Jesus Christ remains a Divine Being that deserves to be worshipped as mandated upon him by His Father in Heaven, God Almighty. 

"Who was Constantine the Great?"

Constantine the Great (AD 280—337) was one of Rome’s most powerful and successful emperors and the first to self-identify as a Christian. He is known for his economic, political, and military achievements, as well as his religious reforms. Medieval writers praised him as the ideal ruler, against whom all kings were measured. Over time, his reign was viewed with waning enthusiasm. Historians also began to debate how committed Constantine was to Christianity or how devoutly he actually followed it. Constantine was influential in Christian history for his personal faith, religious politics, issuing the Edict of Milan, and calling the Council of Nicea.

Constantine was the son of a Roman official and his Christian concubine. This placed him in line to succeed the throne of the Western Roman Empire. At age 31, he prepared to attack his chief rival with an army outnumbered 4-to-1. Before the battle, Constantine claimed to have seen a vision of Jesus, with a specific symbol, telling him, “By this sign, conquer.” Constantine ordered his troops to mark their shields with this symbol, the Chi-Rho, then a symbol commonly representing Christianity. The Chi-Rho combines the first two letters in the Greek word for “Christ” and resembles a capital P with an X drawn through the spine. Constantine’s forces routed the enemy, and he became emperor. The Chi-Rho symbol would be part of Constantine’s personal signature for the rest of his life.

As emperor, Constantine issued the Edict of Milan, which declared Roman citizens free to worship whatever gods they chose. The Edict of Milan ended longstanding persecution of Christians in the Roman Empire. At that time, Constantine did not (yet) claim to be a Christian himself, nor did he advocate for an official state religion. Based on his continued use of certain pagan symbols, scholars believe Constantine’s early religion was generally theistic, rather than specifically Christian. His boldness in using Christian language grew during his reign. After assuming control of the entire Roman Empire, he built lavish churches and came to openly espouse Christianity.

During Constantine’s reign, controversy arose over the teachings of Arius, who denied the full divinity of Jesus. Constantine called a meeting of Christian bishops, the Council of Nicea, to settle the dispute. Contrary to popular myth, this meeting did not discuss the canon of the Bible, nor was Constantine influential in the council’s decisions. Emperors saw themselves as responsible for promoting “correct” forms of worship; Constantine’s interest was not to declare orthodoxy but to let the bishops determine it so that he could enforce it. Further, Constantine was not known for his philosophical ability and found himself lost in deeper discussions of theology. Rather, he acted as the council’s mediator and host, roles at which he excelled.

Constantine’s Christian faith has frequently been critiqued, if not questioned outright. On one hand, he made great strides in securing political and social rights for Christians and initiating general humanitarian reforms. He poured time and money into building churches and publicly supporting Christianity. Particularly toward the end of his reign, Constantine vocally professed faith in Christ and credited his success to God. He was baptized shortly before his death, according to the common practice of his time.

On the other hand, Constantine continued many pagan practices, including veneration of the sun. His interest in Christian orthodoxy was motivated primarily by a desire to maintain social order. There are also reasons to suspect that Constantine was as ruthless toward rivals as prior emperors had been. One of his sons, a brother-in-law, and his second wife were executed for reasons still unknown. He freely blended pagan practices with Christian beliefs, leading scholars to suggest his public adoption of Christianity might have been a savvy political move, linking him to a rising social force in the Roman Empire.

Ultimately, whether Constantine was a committed Christian, a shrewd, Christian-friendly politician, or something in between is an open question. Without doubt, he ended centuries of persecution and greatly enhanced the social standing of Christianity. He committed resources to churches and Christian education, and his leadership helped to clarify important Christian doctrines. However, Constantine’s actions resulted in some negative complications. Free from persecution, the church naturally attracted more false converts. The melding of Christian themes with secular politics set a pattern that contributed to later disasters such as the Inquisition and the Crusades. Constantine’s blending of pagan, building-and-priest-centered worship with Christianity also contributed to the rise of Roman Catholicism.

Constantine’s legacy is complex and not wholly understood, but he stands as one of the dominant figures in Christian history. Without doubt, his influence transformed Christianity from a persecuted minority into the eventual state religion of the Roman Empire and the most widespread faith in history.

Knowing who Emperor Flavius Constantine was and his beliefs according to his history will tell the Church clearly what is the Bible standpoint on some teachings before the outcome of the Council of Nicea as advocated for and supported by the Emperor. 

Read and Understand!

The simple truth is that, there is one God and Jesus is the full expression of that one God in the flesh. God is invisible. If you want to see God, look at Jesus. The fullness of the Godhead dwells bodily in Christ.

Jesus is worshipped just as the Father is worshipped. He is in the same class as God.

Just as we are human being, Jesus is a God being.

He is subject to the father doesn't make him less God in the same way your boss in the office is not more human than you.

Kobojunkie:
1. I am afraid everyone who has access to scripture and is honest with his soul has access to the Truth of Jesus Christ. Fortunately, in all their doing and attempts at gathering power and control for themselves, much like the Pharisees and Sadducees before them, men and their churches couldn't and didn't change God's Law, just as Jesus Christ said they would not.

2. Jesus Christ was very clear that He alone is Teacher/Rabbi, Master/Head, Shepherd, Counselor, Helper, Provider etc., to each and everyone of those who belong to Him. He said His own Church He builds with His own hands - He never asked men to build churches or monuments in His name. So what sense is there to your churches when it is all set up against the one you all claim to be for?

3. Jesus Christ, God's New Covenant Law in in Kingdom of God, didnt come for His followers to get a history lesson nor are the things of God to be understood only by those who claim to have history on their side. So, the Kingdom of God and God's Law belongs to all those who will heed the teachings of Jesus Christ and His commandments.... it is not given to a few but to all. No man or organization can hide or hoard it for themselves.

After all these your story and claims you still conclude by saying that Jesus is not God, not divine and not to be worshiped. You'll still say that the divinity of this Jesus (man) who you follow was invented by the Catholic Church and her cult.

Nna eh... You've to flip your Bible the other way, because it's clear you've been reading it upside down.

TruthinAction:


The simple truth is that, there is one God and Jesus is the full expression of that one God in the flesh. God is invisible. If you want to see God, look at Jesus. The fullness of the Godhead dwells bodily in Christ.
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God Almighty is NOT God with 3 heads.
Godhead is not holy scriptures. Fact.
Divine nature/divine quality ('theoites') is NOT Godhead.( Screenshot)
Jesus Christ is a life giving spirit in heaven when Paul wrote Colossians 2:9.
Colossians 2:10, "The fullness of divine nature dwells in believers."
Oga, according to your claim in verse 9, is every believer God?
Your interpretation of verse 9 is in conflict with verse 10.

TruthinAction:

Jesus is worshipped just as the Father is worshipped. He is in the same class as God.

Hebrew 1:9, God Almighty is peerless.
Jesus Christ has peers.
Oga,@ John 4:23-24 & John 20:17 is Jesus Christ still teaching you from your Bible?

TruthinAction:

Just as we are human being, Jesus is a God being.
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Your Trinity mentors say man is a spirit.
God is a spirit.
Do you now agree that man is God being?
Trinity GIBBERISH get too many issues.

TruthinAction:


He is subject to the father doesn't make him less God in the same way your boss in the office is not more human than you.

John 20:17, the God & Father is superior to everyone & superior to his Son.
E get why.

1 Corinthians 11:3 & John 17:7, the God is NOT subject to anyone.
John 20:17, Jesus Christ said.
1 Corinthians 11:3, Paul said.
John 17:7, Jesus said & John wrote it.
They agreed, Jesus is inferior.
E get why.

When 3 deities Polytheists & their mentors reject the holy scriptures,e get why..

ask4bk:
1After all these your story and claims you still conclude by saying that Jesus is not God, not divine and not to be worshiped. You'll still say that the divinity of this Jesus (man) who you follow was invented by the Catholic Church and her cult.

2. Nna eh... You've to flip your Bible the other way, because it's clear you've been reading it upside down.

1. I never said anything on the issue of Jesus being God or not, in this here conversation.

2. Flip the Bible? No, I have instead asked that you hold up that which is in fact written in scripture as given by Jesus Christ Himself above the doctrines and traditions of men(and their many churches).