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WHAT THE BIBLE SAYS ABOUT MOHAMMED (PEACE BE UPON HIM) THE PROPHET OF ISLAM
A lecture by Ahmed Deedat
SAY: "DO YOU SEE ?
WHETHER THIS MESSAGE BE FROM ALLAH (God Almighty),
AND YET YOU REJECT IT,
AND A WITNESS FROM AMONG THE CHILDREN OF ISRAEL BORE
WITNESS OF ONE LIKE HIM, "

(Holy Qur'an 46:10). (see note 1)

Mr.Chairman, Ladies and Gentlemen,

The subject of this evening's talk - "What the BIBLE says about MUHAMMED" - will no doubt come as a surprise to many of you because the speaker is a Muslim. How does it come about that a Muslim happens to be expounding prophecies from the Jewish and Christian Scriptures ?

As a young man, about 30 years ago, I attended a series of religious lectures by a Chriatian theologian, a certain Rev. Hiten, at the "Theatre Royal", Durban in South Africa.

Pope or Kissinger?

This Reverend gentleman was expounding Biblical prophecies. He went on to prove that the Christian Bible foretold the rise of Soviet Russia, and the Last Days. At one stage he went to the extent of proving that his Holy Book did not leave even the Pope out of its predictions. He expatiated vigo rously in order to convince his audience that the "Beast 666" mentioned in the Book of Revelation the last book of the New Testament was the POPE, who was the Vicar of Christ on earth. It is not befitting for us Muslims to enter into this controversy between the Roman Catholics and the Protestants. By the way, the latest Christia exposition of the "Beast 666" of the Christian Bible is Dr.Henry Kissinger(2). Christian scholars are ingenious and indefatigable in their efforts to prove their case.

Rev. Hiten's lectures led me to ask that if the Bible foretold so many things - not even excluding the "Pope" and "Israel" - then surely it must have something to say about the greatest benefactor of mankind(3) , the Holy Prophet Muhammed (may the peace of Allah be upon him).

As a youngster I set out to search for an answer. I met priest after priest, attended lectures, and read everything that I could lay my hands relating to the fields of Bible prophecies. Tonight I am going to narrate to you one of these interviews with a dominee(4) of the Dutch Reformed Church.< P> Lucky Thirteen
I was invited to the Transvaal(5) to deliver a talk on the occasion of Birthday celebration of the Holy Prophet Muhammed. Knowing that in that province of the Republic, the Afrikaans language is widely spoken, even by my own people, I felt that I ought to acquire a smattering of this language so a s to feel a little "at home" with the people. I opened the telephone directory and began phoning the Afrikaans-speaking Churches. I indicated my purpose to the priests that I was interested in having a dialogue with them, but they all refused my request with "Plausible" excuses. No.13 was my lucky number. The thirteenth call brought me pleasure and relief. A dominee Van Heerden agreed to meet me at his home on the Saturday afternoon that I was to leave for Transvaal.

He received me on his verandah with a friendly welcome. He said if I did not mind, he would like his father-in-law from the Free State (a 70 year old man) to join us in the discussion. I did not mind. The three of us settled down in the dominee's library.

Why nothing?

I posed the question: "What does the Bible say about Muhummed?" Without hesitation he answered, "Nothing!" I asked: "Why nothing? According to your interpretation the Bible have so many things to say about the rise of Soviet Russia and about the Last Days and even about the Pope of the Roman Ca tholics?" He said, "Yes, but there was nothing about Muhummed!" I asked again, "Why nothing? Surely this man Muhummed who had been responsible for the bringing into being a world-wide community of millions of Believers who, on his authority, believe in:
(1) the miraculous birth of Jesus,
(2) that Jesus is the Messiah,(note 6)
(3) that he gave life to the dead by God's permission, and that he healed those born blind and the lepers by God's permission.

Surely this book (the Bible) must have something to say about this great Leader of men who spoke so well of Jesus and his mother Mary?"

The old man from the Free State replied. "My son, I have been reading the Bible for the past 50 years, and if there was any mention of him, I would have known it."

Not One by name!

I enquired: "According to you, are there not hundreds of prophecies regarding the coming of Jesus in the Old Testament." The dominee interjected: "Not hundreds, but thousands!" I said, "I am not going to dispute the 'thousand and one' prophecies in the Old Testament regarding the coming of Jesu s Christ, because the whole Muslim-world has already accepted him without the testimony of any Biblical prophecy. We Muslims have accepted the de facto Jesus on the authority of Muhummed alone, and there are in the world today no less than 900,000,000 followers of Muhummed who love, respect and rev ere Jesus Christ as a great Messenger of God without having the Christians to convince them by means of their Biblical dialectics. Out of the 'thousands' of prophecies referred to, can you please give me just one single prophecy where Jesus is mentioned by name? The term 'Messiah', translated as 'C hrist', is not a name but a title. Is there a single Prophecy where it says that the name of the Messiah will be JESUS, and that his mother's name will be MARY, that his supposed father will be JOSEPH THE CARPENTER; that he will be born in the reign of HEROD THE KING, etc. etc.? No! There are no su ch details! Then how can you conclude that those 'thousand' Prophecies refer to Jesus (Peace be upon him)?"

What is Prophecy?

The dominee replies: "You see, prophecies are word-pictures of something that is going to happen in the future. When that thing actually comes to pass, we see vividly in these prophecies the fulfilment of what had been predicted in the past." I said: "What you actually do is that you deduce, yo u reason, you put two and two together." He said: "Yes." I said: "If this is what you have to do with a 'thousand' prophecies to justify your claim with regards to the genuineness of Jesus, why should we not adopt the very same system for Muhummed?" The dominee agreed that it was a fair proposition , a reasonable way of dealing with the problem.

I asked him to open up Deuteronomy, chapter 18, verse 18, which he did. I read from memory the verse in Afrikaans, because this was my purpose in having a little practice with the language of the ruling race in South Africa. (

'N PROFEET SAL EK VIR HULLE VERWEK UIT DIE MIDDE VAN HULLE BROERS, SOOS JY IS, EN EK SAL MY WOORDE IN SY MOND LE, EN HY SY SAL AAN HULLE SE ALLE WAT EK HOM BEVEEL. Deut.18: 18.

The English translation reads as follows:-

"I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren,
like unto thee,
and I will put my words in his mouth;
and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him." Deut.18:18.

Prophet Like Moses
Having recited the verse in Afrikaans, I apologised for my uncertain pronunciation, The dominee assured me that I was doing fine. I enquired: "To whom does this prophecy refer?" Without the slightest hesitation he answered: "JESUS!" I asked: "Why Jesus?, his name is not mentioned here." The domin ee replied: "Since prophecies are word-pictures of something that is going to happen in the future, we find that the wordings of this verse adequately describe him. You see the most important words of this prophecy are 'SOOS JY IS' (like unto thee), - LIKE YOU - like Moses, and Jesus is like Moses. " I questioned: "In which way is Jesus like Moses?" The answer was: "In the first place Moses was a JEW and Jesus was also a JEW; secondly, Moses was a PROPHET and Jesus was also a PROPHET - therefore Jesus is like Moses and that is exactly what God had foretold Moses - "SOOS JY IS". "Can you think of any other similarities between Moses and Jesus?" I asked. The dominee said that he could not think of any. I replied: "If these are the only two criteria for discovering a candidate for this prophecy of Deuteronomy 18:18, then in that case the criteria could fit any one of the following Biblica l personages after Moses:- Solomon, Isaiah, Ezekiel, Daniel, Hosea, Joel, Malachi, John the Baptist etc., because they were also ALL Jews as well as Prophets. Why should we not apply this prophency to any one of these prophets, and why only to Jesus? Why should we make fish of one and fowl of anoth er?" The dominee had no reply. I continued: "You see, my conclusions are that Jesus is most unlike Moses, and if I am wrong I would like you to correct me."

Three Unlikes
So staying, I reasoned with him: "In the FIRST place Jesus is not like Moses, because, according to you - 'JESUS IS A GOD', but Moses is not God. Is this true?" He said: "Yes." I said: "Therefore, Jesus is not like Moses! SECONDLY, according to you - 'JESUS DIED FOR THE SINS OF THE WORLD', but Mose s did not have to die for the sins of the world. Is this true?" He again said: "Yes." I said: "Therefore Jesus is not like Moses! THIRDLY, according to you - 'JESUS WENT TO HELL FOR THREE DAYS', but Moses did not have to go there. Is this true?" He answered meekly: "Y-e-s." I concluded: "Therefore Jesus is not like Moses!" "But dominee," I continued: "these are not hard facts, solid facts, they are mere matters of belief over which the little ones can stumble and fall. Let us discuss something very simple, very easy that if your little ones are called in to hear the discussion, would have no difficulty in following it, shall we?" The dominee was quiet happy at the suggestion.

Father and Mother
(1) "Moses had a father and a mother. Muhummed also had a father and a mother. But Jesus had only a mother, and no human father. Is this true?" He said: "Yes." I said: "DAAROM IS JESUS NIE SOOS MOSES NIE, MAAR MUHUMMED IS SOOS MOSES!" Meaning: "Therefore Jesus is not like Moses, but Muhummed is lik e Moses!" (By now the reader will realise that I was using the Afrikaans language only for practice purposes. I shall discontinue its use in this narration).

Miraculous Birth
(2) "Moses and Muhummed were born in the normal, natural course, i.e. the physical association of man and woman; but Jesus was created by a special miracle. You will recall that we are told in the Gospel of St.Matthew 1:18", BEFORE THEY CAME TOGETHER,(Joseph the Carpenter and Mary) SHE WAS FOUND WITH CHILD BY THE HOLY GHOST.' And St.Luke tells us that when the good news of the birth of a holy son was announded to her, Mary reasoned:', HOW SHALL THIS BE, SEEING I KNOW NOT A MAN? AND THE ANGEL ANSWERED AND SAID UNTO HER, THE HOLY GHOST SHALL COME UPON THEE, AND THE POWER OF THE HIGHEST SHALL OVERSHADOW THEE:, '(Luke 1:35). The Holy Qur'an confirms the miraculous birth of Jesus, in nobler and sublimer terms. In answer to her logical question:

" O MY LORD! HOW SHALL I HAVE A SON WHEN NO MAN HATH TOUCHED ME? "
The angel says in reply:
"EVEN SO:
ALLAH CREATETH WHAT HE WILLETH:
WHEN HE HATH DECREED A PLAN,
HE BUT SAITH TO IT "BE,"
AND IT IS " (9) (HOLY QUR'AN, 3:47).

It is not necessary for God to plant a seed in man or animal. He merely wills it and it comes into being. This is the Muslim conception of the of birth of Jesus.
(When I compared the Qur'an and the Biblical versions of the birth of Jesus to the head of the Bible Society in our largest City, and when I enquired: "Which version would you prefer to give your daughter, the QUR'ANIC version or the BIBLICAL version?" The man bowed his head and answered: "The Qur'anic." In short, I said to the dominee: "Is it true that Jesus was born miraculously as against the natural birth of Moses and Muhummed?"He replied proudly:"Yes!" I said:"Therefore Jesus is not like Moses, but Muhummed is like Moses. And God says to Moses in the Book of Deuteronomy 18:18 "LIKE UNTO THEE" (Like You, Like Moses) and Muhummed is like Moses."

Marriage Ties
(3) "Moses and Muhummed married and begat children, but Jesus remained a bachelor all his life. Is this true?" The dominee said: "Yes." I said: "Therefore Jesus is not like Moses, but Muhummed is like Moses."

Jesus Rejected by his People
(3) "Moses and Muhummed were accepted as prophets by their people in their very lifetime. No doubt the Jews gave endless trouble to Moses and they murmured in the wilderness, but as a nation, they acknowledged that Moses was a Messenger of God sent to them. The Arabs too made Muhummed's life imposs ible. He suffered very badly at their hands. After 13 years of preaching in Mecca, he had to emigrate from the city of his birth. But before his demise, the Arab nation as a whole accepted him as the Messenger of Allah. But according to the Bible: 'He (Jesus) CAME UNTO HIS OWN, BUT HIS OWN RECEIVED HIM NOT.' (John 1:11). And even today, ofter two thousand years, his people- the Jews, as a whole, have rejeted him. Is this true?" The dominee said: "Yes." I said: "THEREFORE JESUS IS NOT LIKE MOSES, BUT MUHUMMED IS LIKE MOSES."

"Other-Wordly" Kingdom
(5) "Moses and Muhummed were prophets as well as kings. A prophet means a man who receives Divine Revelation for the Guidance of Man and this Guidance he conveys to God's creatures as received without any addition or deletion. A king is a person who has the power of life and death over his people. It is immaterial whether the person wears a crown or not, or whether he was ever addressed as king or monarch: if the man has the prerogative of inflicting capital punishment - HE IS A KING. Moses possessed such a power. Do you remember the Israelite who was found picking up firewood on Sabbath Day , and Moses had him stoned to death? (Numbers- 15:13). There are other crimes also mentioned in the Bible for which capital punishment was inflicted on the Jews at the behest of Moses. Muhummed too, had the power of life and death over his people. There are instances in the Bible of persons who wer e given gift of prophecy only, but they were not in a position to implement their directives. Some of these holy men of God who were helpless in the face of stubborn rejection of their mesage, were the prophets lot, Jonah, Daniel, Ezra, and John the Baptist. They could only deliver the message, but could not enforce the Law. The Holy Prophet Jesus (Peace b.u.h) also belonged to this category. The Christian Gospel clearly confirms this: when Jesus was dragged before the Roman Governor, Pontius Pilate, Charged for sedition, Jesus made a convincing point in his defence to refute the false charg e: JESUS ANSWERED, "MY KINGDOM IS NOT OF THIS WORLD': IF MY KINGDOM WERE OF THIS WORLD, THEN WOULD MY SERVANTS FIGHT, THAT I SHOULD NOT BE DELIVERED TO THE JEWS; BUT NOW IS MY KINGDOM NOT FROM HENCE"(John 18:36) This convinced Pilate (A Pagan) that though Jesus might not be in full possessio n of his mental faculty, he did not strike him as being a danger to his rule. Jesus claimed a spiritual Kingdom only; in other words he only claimed to be a Prophet. Is this true?" The dominee answered:"Yes." I said:"Therefore Jesus is not like Moses but Muhummed is like Moses."

No New Laws
(6) "Moses and Muhummed brought new laws and new regulations for their people. Moses not only gave the Ten Commandments to the Israelites, but a very comprehensive ceremonial law for the guidance of his people. Muhummed comes to a people steeped in barbarism and ignorance. They married their step-m others; they buried their daughters alive; drunkenness, adultery, idolatry, and gambling were the order of the day. Gibbon describe the Arabs before Islam in his "Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire", THE HUMAN BRUTE, ALMOST WITHOUT SENSE, IS POORLY DISTINGUISHED FROM THE REST OF THE ANIMAL CREATI ON.' There was hardly anything to distinguish between the "man" and the "animal" of the time; they were animals in human form.

"From this abject barbarism, Muhummed elevated them, in the words of Thomas Carlysle, 'into torch-bearers of light and learning.' 'TO THE ARAB NATION IT WAS AS A BIRTH FROM DARKNESS INTO LIGHT. ARABIA FIRST BECAME ALIVE BY MEANS OF IT. A POOR SHEPHERD PEOPLE, ROAMING UNNOTICED IN ITS DESERTS SINCE THE CREATION OF THE WORLD. SEE, THE UNNOTICED BECOMES WORLD NOTABLE, THE SMALL HAS GROWN WORLD-GREAT. WITHIN ONE CENTURY AFTERWARDS ARABIA WAS AT GRANADA ON ONE HAND AND AT DELHI ON THE OTHER. GLANCING IN VALOUR AND SPLENDOUR, AND THE LIGHT OF GENIUS, ARABIA SHINES OVER A GREA SECTION OF THE WORLD. , ' The fact is that Muhummed gave his people a Law and Order they never had before.

"As regards Jesus, when the Jews felt suspicious of him that he might be an imposter with designs to pervert their teachings, Jesus took pains to assure them that he had not come with a new religion - no new laws and no new regulations. I quote his own words: 'THINK NOT THAT IAM COME TO DESTROY THE LAW, OR THE PROPHETS: IAM NOT COME TO DESTROY, BUT TO FULFIL. FOR VERILY I SAY UNTO YOU, TILL HEAVEN AND EARTH PASS, ONE JOT OR ONE TITLE SHALL IN NO WISE PASS FROM THE LAW, TILL ALL BE FULFILLED.'(Mathew 5:17-18). In other words he had not come with any new laws or regulation he came only to fulfil the old law. This what he gave the Jews to understand- unless he was speaking with the tongue in his cheek trying to bluff the Jews into accepting him as a man of God and by subterfuge trying to ram a new religion down their throats. No! This Messenger of God would never resort to such fo ul means to subvert the Religion of God. He himself fulfilled the laws. He observed the commandments of Moses, and he respected the Sabbath. At no time did a single Jew point a finger at him to say, 'why don't you fast' or 'why don't you wash your hands before you break bread',which charges they al wasy levied against his disciples, but never against Jesus. This is because as a good Jew he honoured the laws of the prophets who preceded him. In short, he had created no new religion and had brought no new law like Moses and Muhummed. Is this true?" I asked the dominee, and he answered: "Yes." I said:"Therefore, Jesus is not like Moses but Muhummed is like Moses."

How they Departed
(7) "Both Moses and Muhummed died natural deaths, but according to Christianity, Jesus was violently killed on the cross.(10) Is this true?" The dominee said: "Yes." I averred: "Therefore Jesus is not like Moses but Muhummed is like Moses."

Heavenly Abode
( "Moses and Muhummed both lie buried in earth, but according to you, Jesus in heaven. Is this true?" The dominee agreed. I said: "Therefore Jesus is not like Moses but Muhummed is like Moses."

Ishmael The First Born
Since the dominee was helplessly agreeing with every point, I said, "Dominee, so far what I have done is to prove only one point out of the whole prophecy- that is proving the phrase 'LIKE UNTO THEE' - 'Like You' 'Like Moses'. The Prophecy is much more than this single phrase which reads as follows : "I WILL RAISE THEM UP A PROPHET FROM AMONG THEIR BRETHREN LIKE UNTO THEE, " The emphasis is on the words- "From among their brethren." Moses and his people, the Jews, are here addressed as a racial entity, and as such their 'brethren' would undoubtedly be the arabs. You see, the Holy Bible s peaks of Abraham as the "Friend of God". Abraham had two wives - Sarah and Hagar. Hagar bore Abraham a son - HIS FIRST-BORN- ', And Abraham(11) called HIS SON'S name, which Hagar bare Ishmael.' (Genesis 16:15). 'And Abraham took Ishmael HIS SON, " (Genesis 17:23). 'And Ishmael HIS SON was thirteen years old, when he was circumcised in the flesh of his foreskin.'(Genesis 17:25). Up to the age of THIRTEEN Ishmael was the ONLY son and sed of Abraham, when the covenant was ratified between God and Abraham. God grants Abraham another son through Sarah, named Isaac, wh o was very much the junior to his brother Ishmael.

Arabs and Jews
If Ishmael and Isaac are the sons of the same father Abraham, then they are brothers. And so the children of the one are the BRETHREN of the children of the other. The children of Isaac are the Jews and the Children of Ishmael are the Arabs - so they are BRETHREN to one another. The Bible affirms, 'AND HE (ISHMAEL) SHALL DWELL IN THE PRESENCE OF ALL HIS BRETHREN.' (Genesis 16:12). 'AND HE (ISHMAEL) DIED IN THE PRESENCE OF ALL HIS BRETHREN.(Genesis 25:18). The children of Isaac are the brethren of the Ishmaelites. In like manner Muhummed is from among the brethren of the Israeli tes beause he was a descendant of Ishamel the son of Abraham. This exactly as the prophecy has it- 'FROM AMONG THEIR BRETHREN'.(Deut.18:18). There the prophecy distinctly mentions that the coming prophet who would be like Moses, must arise NOT from the 'children of Israel' or from 'among the mselves', but from among their brethren. MUHUMMED THEREFORE WAS FROM AMONG THEIR BRETHREN!

Words in the Mouth
"The prophecy proceeds further:', AND I WILL PUT MY WORDS INTO HIS MOUTH, ' What does it mean when it is said 'I will put my words in your mouth'? You see, when I asked you (the dominee) to open Deuteronomy chapter 18, verse 18, at the beginning, and if I had asked you to read, and if you had read: would I be putting my words into your mouth?" The dominee answered: "No." "But," I continued: "If I were to teach you a language like Arabic about which you have no knowledge, and if I asked you to read or repeat after me what I utter i.e.:

"SAY: HE IS ALLAH THE ONE AND ONLY;
ALLAH, THE ETERNAL ABSOLUTE;
HE BEGETTETH NOT, NOR IS HE BEGOTTEN:
AND THERE IS NONE LIKE UNTO HIM.
(Holy Qur'an 112:1-4)( I read them in Arabic )

Would I not be putting these unheard words of a foreign tongue which you utter, into your mouth?" The dominee agreed that it was indeed so. In an identical manner, I said, the words of the Holy Qur'an, the Revelation vouchsafed by the Almighty God to Muhummed, were revealed.

History tells us that Muhummed was forty years of age. He was in a cave some three miles north of the City of Mecca. It was the 27th night of the Muslim month of Ramadaan. In the cave the Archangel Gabriel commands him in his mother tongue:'IQRA' which means READ! or PROCLAIM! or RECITE! Muhummed w as terrified and in his bewilderment replied that he was not NOT LEARNED! The angel commands him a second time with the same result. For the third time the angel continues.

Now Muhummed, grasps, that what was required of him was to repeat! to rehearse! And he repeats the words as they were put into his mouth:

"READ! IN THE NAME OF THE LORD AND CHERISHER, WHO CREATED-
CREATED MAN, FROM A (MERE) CLOT OF CONGEALED BLOOD:

READ! AND THY LORD IS MOST BOUNTIFUL,-
HE WHO TAUGHT (THE USE OF) THE PEN,

TAUGHT MAN THAT WHICH HE KNEW NOT".

(Holy Qur'an 96:1-5)

These are the first five verses which were revealed to Muhummed which now occupy the beginning of the 96th chapter of the Holy Qur'an.

The Faithful Witness
Immediately the angel had departed, Muhummed rushed to his home. Terrified and sweating all over he asked his beloved wife Khadija to 'cover him up!' He lay down, and she watched by him. When he had regained his composure, he explained to her what he had seen and heard. She assured him of her faith in him and that Allah would not allow any terrible thing to happen to him. Are these the confessions of an imposter? Would imposters confess that when an angel of the Lord confronts them with a Message from on High, they get fear-stricken, terrified, and sweating all over, run home to their wives? Any critic can see that his reactions and confessions are that of an honest, sincere man, the man of Truth- 'AL-AMIN' - THE Honest, the Upright, the Truthful. During the next twenty-three years of his prophetic life, words were 'Put into his mouth', and he uttered them. They made an indeliable imp ression on his heart and mind: and as the volume of the Sacred Scripture (Holy Qur'an) grew, they were recorded on palm-leaf libre, on skins and on the shoulder-blades of animals; and in the hearts of his devoted disciples. Before his demise these words were arranged according to his instructions i n the order in which we find them to-day in the Holy Qurann.

The words (revelation) were actually put into his mouth, exactly as foretold in the prophecy under discusiion: 'AND I WILL PUT MY WORDS IN HIS MOUTH.'(Deut. 18:18).

Un-lettered Prophet
Muhummed's experience in the cave of Hira, later to be known as Jabal-un Noor - The Mountain of Light, and his response to that first Revelation is the exact fulfilment of another Biblical Prophecy. In the Book of Isaish. Chapter 29, verse 12, we read: "AND THE BOOK" (al-Kitaab,al-Quran the 'Readin g', the 'Recitation') "IS DELIVERED TO HIM THAT IS NOT LEARNED," (Isaiah 29:12) "THE UNLETTERED PROPHET " (Holy Qur'an 7:158) and the biblical verse continues : "SAYING, READ THIS, I PRAY THEE:" (the words "I pray thee", are not in the Hebrew manuscripts; compare with the Roman Cathol ics' "Douay Version and also with the "Revised Standard Versions" "AND HE SAITH, I AM NOT LEARNED." ("I am not learned." is the exact translation of the Arabic words which Muhummed uttered twice to the Holy Ghose - the Archangel Gabriel, when he was commanded : "READ!".

Let me quote the verse in full without a break as found in the "King James Version," or the "Authorised version" as it is more popularly know "AND THE BOOK IS DELIVERED TO HIM THAT IS NOT LEARNED, SAYING, READ THIS I PRAY THEE: AND HE SAITH, I AM NOT LEARNED." (Isaiah 29:12).

Important note :
It may be noted that there were no Arabic Bibles(12) in existence in the 6th Century of the Christian Era when Muhummed lived and preachedl Besides, he was absolutely unlettered and unlearned. No human had ever taught him a word. His teacher was his Creator:

"HE DOES NOT SPEAK (AUGHT), OF (HIS OWN) DESIRE:
IT IS NO LESS THAN INSPIRATION SENT DOWN TO HIM:
HE WAS TAUGHT BY ONE MIGHTY IN POWER,"

(Holy Qur'an 53:3-5).

Without any human learning, 'he put to shame the wisdom of the learned'.

Grave Warning
"See!" I told the dominee, "how the prophecies fit Muhummed like a glove. We do not have to stretch prophecies to justify their fulfilment in Muhummed."

The dominee replied, "All your expositions sound very well, but they are of no real consequence, because we Christians have Jesus Christ the "incarnate" God, who has redeemed us from the Bondage of Sin!"

I asked, "Not important?" God didn't think so! He went to a great deal of trouble to have His warnings recorded. God knew that there would be people like you who will flippantly, light-heartedly discount his words, so he followed up Deuteronomy 18:18 with a dire warning: "AND IT SHALL COME TO PASS, " (it is going to happen) "THAT WHOSOEVER WILL NOT HEARKEN UNTO MY WORDS WHICH HE SHALL SPEAK IN MY NAME, I WILL REQUIRE IT OF HIM. (in the Catholic Bible the ending words are - "I will be the revenger", I will take vengeance from him - I will take revenge!) "Does not this terrify you? God Almighty is threathening revenge! We shake in our pants if some hoodlum threathens us, yet you have no fear of God's warning?"

"Miracle of Miracles! in the verse 19 of Deuteronomy chapter 18, we have a further fulfilment of the prophecy in Muhummed! Note the words-', MY WORDS WHICH HE SHALL SPEAK IN MY NAME," In whose name is Muhummed speaking?" I opened Yusuf Ali's translation of the Holy Qur'an, at chapter 114- 'Sura Nas', or Mankind - the last chapter, and showed him the formula at the head of the charpter: and the meaning: "IN THE NAME OF GOD, MOST GRACIOUS, MOST MERCIFUL." And the heading of chapter 113: and the meaning: "IN THE NAME OF GOD, MOST GRACIOUS, MOST MERCIFUL". And every chapter downwards 112 , 111, 110, was the same formula and the same meaning on every page, because the end SURAS (chapters) are short and take about a page each.

"And what did the prophecy demand?' , WHICH HE SHALL SPEAK IN MY NAME and in whose name does Muhummed speak?'IN THE NAME OF GOD, MOST GRACIOUS MOST MERCIFUL.' The Prophecy is being fulfilled in Muhummed to the letter "Every chapter of the Holy Qur'an except the 9th begin with the formula: IN TH E NAME OF GOD, MOST GRACIOUS, MOST MERCIFUL.' The Muslim begins his every lawful act with the Holy formula. But the Christian begins: "In the name of the Father, son and holy ghost.'"(13)

Concerning Deuteronomy chapter eighteen, I have given you more than 15 reasons as to how this prophecy refers to Muhummed and NOT to Jesus.

Baptist Contradicts Jesus
In New Testament times, we find that the Jews were still expecting the fulfilment of the prophecy of 'ONE LIKE MOSES', refer John 1:19-25. When Jesus claimed to be the Messiah of the Jews,the Jews began to enquire as to where was Elias? The Jews had a parallel prophecy that before the coming of the Messiah, Elias must come first in his second coming. Jesus confirms this Jewish belief:

", ELIAS TRULY SHALL FIRST COME, AND RESTORE ALL THINGS. BUT I SAY UNTO YOU, THAT ELIAS IS COME ALREADY, AND THEY KNEW HIM NOT,, THEN THE DISCIPLES UNDERSTOOD THAT HE SPAKE UNTO THEM OF JOHN THE BAPTIST."(Matthew 17:11-13). According to the New Testament the Jews were not the ones to s wallow the words of any would-be Messiah. In their investigations they underwent intense difficulties in order to find their true Messiah. And this the Gospel of John confirms: "AND THIS IS THE RECORD OF JOHN,"(the Baptist) "WHEN THE JEWS SENT PRIESTS AND LEVITES FROM JERUSALEM TO ASK HIM, WHO ART THOU? AND HE CONFESSED AND DENIED NOT; BUT CONFESSED, I AM NOT THE CHRIST." (This was only natural because there can't be two Messiahs (14) at the same time. If Jesus was the Christ then John couldn't be the Christ!) "AND THEY ASKED HIM, WHAT THEN? ART THOU ELIAS? AND HE SAITH, I AM NOT." (Here Joh n the Baptist contradicts Jesus! Jesus says that John is "Elias" and John denies that he is what Jesus ascribes him to be. One of the TWO (Jesus or John), God forbid!, is difinitely not speaking the TRUTH! On the testimony of Jesus himself, John the Baptist was the greatest of the Israelite prophet s:"VERILY I SAY UNTO YOU, AMOUNG THEM THAT ARE BORN OF WOMEN THERE HAS NOT RISENA GREATER THAN JOHN THE BAPTIST:, (Matthew 11:11).

We Muslims know John the Baptist as Hazrut YAHYAA Alai-his-salaam (peace be upon him). We revere him as a true prophet of Allah. The Holy Prophet Jesus known to us as Hazrut ISAA Alai-his-salaam (peace be upon him), is also esteemed as one of the mightiest messenger of the Almighty. How can we Musl ims impute lies to either of them? We leave this problem between Jesus and John for the Christians to solve, for their "sacred scriptures abound in discrepancies which they have been glossing over as the "dark sayings of Jesus"(15). We Muslims are really interested in the last questions posed to Jo hn the Baptist by the Jewish elite- "ART THOU THAT PROPHET? AND HE ANSWERED, NO."(John 1:21)

Three Questions!
Please note that three different and distinct questions were posed to John the Baptist and to which he gave three emphatic "NO'S" as answers. To recapitulate:-
1) ART THOU THE CHRIST?
2) ART THOU ELIAS?
3) ART THOU THAT PROPHET?

But the learned men of Christendom somehow only see two questions implied here. To make doubly clear that the Jews definitely had T-H-R-E-E separate prophecies in their minds when they were interogating John the Baptist, let us read the remonstrance of the Jews in the verses following:

"AND THEY ASKED HIM, AND SAID UNTO HIM, WHEY BAPTIZEST THOU THEN, IF THOU BE
a) NOT THAT CHRIST,
b) NOR ELIAS,
c) NEITHER THAT PROPHET?"

(John 1:25)

The Jews were waiting for the fulfilment of THREE distinct prophecies: One, the coming of CHRIST. Two the coming of ELIAS, and Three, the coming of THAT PROPHET.

"That Prophet"
If we look up any Bible which has a concordance or cross-references, the we will find in the marginal note where the words "the Prophet", or "that Prophet" occur in John 1:25, that these words refer to the prophecy of Deuteronomy 18:15 and 18. And that 'that prophet' - 'the prophet like Moses' - "L IKE UNTO THEE", we have proved through overwhelming evidence that he was MUHUMMED and not Jesus!

We Muslims are not denying that Jesus was the "Messiah", which word is translated as "Christ".(16) We are not contesting the "thousand and one prophecies" which the Christians claim abound in the Old Testament foretelling the coming of the Messiah. What we say is that Deuteronomy 18:18 does NOT ref er to Jesus Christ but it is an explicit prophecy about the Holy Prophet MUHUMMED!"

The dominee, very politely parted with me by saying that it was a very interesting discussion and he would like me very much to come one day and address his congregation on the subject. A decade and half has passed since then but I am still awaiting that privilege.

I believe the dominee was sincere when he made the offer, but prejudices die hard and who would like to loose his sheep?

The Acid Test
To the lambs of Christ I say, why not apply that acid test which the Master himself wanted you to apply to any would be claimant to prophethood? He had said: "BY THEIR FRUITS YE SHALL KNOW THEM. DO MEN GATHER GRAPES FROM THE THORNS, OR FIGS FROM THE THISTLES? EVERY GOOD TREE WILL BEAR GOOD FRUIT AN D EVERY EVIL TREE WILL BEAR EVIL FRUIT, BY THEIR FRUITS YE SHALL KNOW THEM. (Matthew 7:16-20).

Why are you afraid to apply this test to the teachings of Muhummed? You will find in the Last Testament of God - the Holy Qur'an - the true fulfilment of the teachings of Moses and Jesus which will bring to the world the much-needed peace and happiness. "IF A MAN LIKE MOHAMED WERE TO ASSUME THE DIC TATORSHIP OF THE MODERN WORLD, HE WOULD SUCCEED IN SOLVING ITS PROBLEMS THAT WOULD BRING IT THE MUCH NEEDED PEACE AND HAPPINESS."(George Bernard Shaw)

The Greatest!
The Weekly Newsmagazine "TIME" dated July 15, 1974, carried a selection of opinions by various historians, writers, military men, businessmen and others on the subject: "Who Were History's Great Leaders?" Some said that it was Hitler; others said-Gandhi, Buddha, Lincoln and the like. But Jules Mass erman, a United States psychoanalyst put the standards straight by giving the correct criteria wherewith to judge. He said: "LEADERS MUST FULFIL THREE FUNCTIONS:-
(1) Provide for the well-being of the led,
(2) Provide a social organization in which people feel relatively secure
and
(3) Provide them with one set of beliefs."

With the above three criteria he searches history and analyses - Hitler, Pasteur, Gaesar, Moses, Confucius and the lot, and ultimately concludes:

"PEOPLE LIKE PASTEUR AND SALK ARE LEADERS IN THE FIRST SENSE. PEOPLE LIKE GANDHI AND CONFUCIUS, ON ONE HAND, AND ALEXANDER, CAESAR AND HITLER ON THE OTHER, ARE LEADERS IN THE SECOND AND PERHAPS THE THIRD SENSE. JESUS AND BUDDHA BELONG IN THE THIRD CATEGORY ALONE. PERHAPS THE GREATEST LEADER OF ALL TIMES WAS MOHAMMED, WHO COMBINED ALL THREE FUNCTIONS. To a lesser degree, MOSES DID THE SAME."

According to the objective standards set by the Professor of the Chicago University, whome I believe to be Jewish, - JESUS and BUDDHA are now - here in the picture of the "Great Leaders of Mankind", but by a queer coincidence groups Moses and Muhummed together thus adding further weight to the argu ment that JESUS is not like MOSES, but MUHUMMED is like MOSES: Deut.18:18 "LIKE UNTO THEE" - Like MOSES!

In conclusion, I end with a quotation of a Christian Reverend the commentator of the Bible, followed by that of his Master:

"THE ULTIMATE CRITERION OF A TRUE PROPHET IS THE MORAL CHARACTER OF HIS TEACHING."(Prof.Dummelow.)

"BY THEIR FRUITS YE SHALL KNOW THEM." (Jesus Christ)


A concluding suggestion : Come let us reason together !

SAY:"O PEOPLE OF THE BOOK!
COME TO COMMON TERMS AS BETWEEN US AND YOU:
THAT WE WORSHIP NONE BUT GOD;
THAT WE ASSOCIATE NO PARTNERS WITH HIM;
THAT WE ERECT NOT, FROM AMONG OURSELVES,
LORDS AND PATRONS OTHER THAN GOD."
IF THEN THEY TURN BACK,
SAY:"BEAR WITNESS THAT WE (AT LEAST)
ARE MUSLIMS (BOWING TO GOD'S WILL)."

(Holy Qur'an 3:64)

"PEOPLE OF THE BOOK" is the respectful title given to the Jews and the Christians in the Holy Qur'an. The Muslims is here commanded to invite - "O People of the Book!" - O Learned People! O People who claim to be the recipients of Divine Revelation, of a Holy Scripture; let us gather together onto a common platform - "that we worship none but God", because none but God is worthy of worship, not because "THE LORD THY GOD IS A JEALOUS GOD VISITING THE INIQUITY OF THE FATHERS UPON THE CHILDREN UNTO THE THIRD AND FOURTH GENERATION OF THEM THAT HATE ME."(Exodus 20:25). But because He is ou r Lord and Cherisher, our Sustainer and Evolver, worthy of all praise, prayer and devotion.

In the abstract the Jews and the Christians would agree to all the three propositions contained in this Qur'anic verse. In practice they fail. Apart from doctrinal lapses from the unity of the One True God, (ALLAH_ Subha-nahu wa ta-ala) there is the question of a consecrated Priesthood (among the J ews it was hereditary also), as if a mere human being - Cohe or Pope, or Priest, or Brahuman, - could claim superiority apart from his learning and the purity of his life, or could stand between man and God in some special sense. ISLAM DOES NOT RECOGNISE PRIESTHOOD!

The Creed of Islam is given to us here in a nutshell from Holy Qur'an:

Say ye: "We believe in Allah,
And the revelation given to us,
And to Abraham, Isma'il, Isaac,
Jacob, and the Tribes,
And that given to Moses and Jesus
And that given to (all)
Prophets from their Lord:
We make no difference
Between one and another of them:
And we bow to Allah (in Islam)."

(Holy Qur'an 2:136).

The Muslim position is clear. The Muslim does not claim to have a religion peculiar to himself. Islam is not a sect or an ethnic religion. In its view all Religion is one, for the Truth is one. IT WAS THE SAME RELIGION PREACHED BY ALL THE EARLIER PROPHETS. (Holy Qur'an 42:13). It was the truth taug ht by all the inspired Books. In essence it amounts to a consciousness of the Will and Plan of God and a joyful submission to that Will and Plan. IF ANYONE WANTS A RELIGION OTHER THAN THAT, HE IS FALSE TO HIS OWN NATURE, AS HE IS FALSE TO GOD'S WILL AND PLAN. Such a one cannot expect guidance, for he has deliberately renounced guidance.


NOTES
(1) This refers to Moses. See Yusuf Ali's commentaries Nos. 4783/4 to this verse.

(2) Christian exegesists give progressive numerical values by sixes, to the English alphabet and add up to get the total 666. i.e.A=6,B=12,C=18, D=24 and so on. Progression by 6's because the number of the Beast in the Bible is "666". Try it for Dr.Kissinger.

(3) The writer has just delivered another talk in the City Hall, Durban on the 10th December, 1975 on the subject "Muhummed the Greatest".

(4) "Dominee" is the Afrikaans equivalent of priest, parson and predikant.

(5) One of the Provinces of the Republic of South Africa.

(6) The word "Messiah" comes from the Arabic and Hebrew word masaha which means to rub, to massage, to annoint. The religious significance is "the one who is anointed' - priests and kings were anointed in consecration to their offices. Messiah translated Christ does not mean God. Even the heathen C yrus is called "Christ" in the Bible, (Isaiah 45:1)

(7) Muhummed is mentioned by name in the Song of Solomn 5:16. The Hebrew word used there is Muhammuddim. The end letters IM is plural of respect majesty and grandeur. Minus "im" the name would be Muhamudd translated as "altogether lovely" in the Authorised Version of the Bible or 'The Praised One' 'the one worthy of Praise' i.e. MUHUMMED!

( If this lecture is translated into any language, please change the Afrikaans words into the local dialect; and do not try a free hand translation of the Biblical quotation. Obtain a Bible in the language in which translation is being made and transcribe exactly as the words occur in that Bible.

(9) Please open the Holy Qur'an 3:42 and 19:16 where the birth of Jesus is spoken about; read it with the commentry, note the high position which Jesus and his mother occupy in Islam.

(10) Write for "Was Christ Crucified?" by the writer, free on request.

(11) According to the Bible Abraham's name was Abram before it was changed by God to Abraham.

(12) There are today Arabic Bibles in Fourteen different scripts and dialects for the Arabs alone. See "The Gospels in many tongues", obtainable from the Bible Society.

(13) The Christian theologians are ignorant of even the "name of God. Because "God" is not a name, and "Father" is also not a name. What's his name? See "Muhummed-the Natural Successor to Christ", by the author, available free.

(14) The Jews were expecting a single Messiah not two.

(15) See the "TIMES" Magazine December 30th, 1974, article "How true is the Bible?" And write for your free copy of "50,000 Errors in the Bible? a reproduction from the Christian Magazine "AWAKE!" September 8, 1957.

(15) How the word Messiah was transmuted to Christ? Write for booklet above, reference 13.
END OF LECTURE


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wow! very interesting

the only problem is. . . . i didnt read it

make una de try post short stuff, summarize your gist and drop the link for those who want further information. only unemployed guys or guys doing research will have the time to read this interesting post

It clearly states in the Bible - Beware of False Prophets eg Mohammed.

Mods - Shift this post to the religion jokes section.

Thanks,

Next time, post this in right section. Moved

Piss be upon him.

i thot i did

@jarus, i thot this should be in the religion section and not islam pls

@sun of god; « #2 on: Today at 05:48:26 PM »
[Quote]It clearly states in the Bible - Beware of False Prophets eg Mohammed.[/Quote]most definitely, there is a test given in the bible to identify 'true prophet' and the same test is to be used to proof a prophet to be 'false' in his claim. please list the test for us to read. apply it any prophet that you want; Abraham, etc. even Jesus. justify each of them by it to be either true prophet. otherwise false prophet. apply the same test to Muhammad [as] as see where he belongs. i affirm that even the biblical jesus will fail to be a true prophet, while Muhammad [as] will be on the true prophet column.



[Quote]Mods - Shift this post to the religion jokes section.[/Quote]the joke is on you, when you refuse to accept the challenge posed above. i laugh at you in ewe.



@kcswat « #4 on: Today at 06:28:54 PM »
[Quote]Shocked Cheesy Piss be upon him.[/Quote]i know that its difficult for you to write 'peace'. no everything is written as it sounds.

I mean piss not peace. Peace cnt be on a murderer.

that will eliminate jesus as yahweh in ot. moses, joshua, david, solomon.

and in nt, jesus the tree killed. jesus the swine killer. jesus the king intensed on killing those who do not want him to rule over them.

i intentionally left abraham who killed and on his return god prayed for by king of salem.



you dug yourself a hole. i just pushed you in since you really wanted to fall in it.

dont get angry...just see the road

NOW :
Don't you think you need to read more about Islam and Christianity? To that end, The following literature is available FREE on request:

|) what the Bible says about Mohammed.
2) what was the sign of Jonah?
3) who moved the stone?
4) resurrection or resuscitation?
5) is the Bible God's word?
6) what is His name?
7) the God that never was.
Islam's answer to the racial problem.
9) Christ in Islam.
10) crucifixion or crucifiction?
11) the Muslim at prayer.
12) Mohammed-the prophet of Islam.

Please Phone , call or write to:

The Islamic propagation center
45/47/49 MadressaArcade,
Durban 4001,
Republic of South Africa

Phone: (031) 32-9518

LOL

if some Christian or any non- Muslim were to publish such nonsense about Islam and its prophets four things would happen;

(i) the publishing house will go up in flames
(ii) the writers head will be on a spike
(iii) hundreds of churches and houses will be up in flames and thousands would be dead
(iv) Muslims will claim "outrage", "disrespect", "discrimination", "persecution", "clash of civilisation" etc in describing their "pain"!

Also, Deedat was allowed to stay in the predominantly Christian country to spew his trash. Would a predominantly Muslim country watch with such calm if he were resident in that country and write such about Islam and its prophet?

Such hypocrisy that Deedat didnt see. pity.

tiarabubu:



LOL

if some Christian or any non- Muslim were to publish such nonsense about Islam and its prophets four things would happen;

(i) the publishing house will go up in flames
(ii) the writers head will be on a spike
(iii) hundreds of churches and houses will be up in flames and thousands would be dead
(iv) Muslims will claim "outrage", "disrespect", "discrimination", "persecution", "clash of civilisation" etc in describing their "pain"!

Also, Deedat was allowed to stay in the predominantly Christian country to spew his trash. Would a predominantly Muslim country watch with such calm if he were resident in that country and write such about Islam and its prophet?

Such hypocrisy that Deedat didnt see. pity.

Just loving reading you, sis. You've got a really good head At some point though, we ought to leave well enough alone. Winning or losing the argument is of very tiny consequence, the really big deal is "were they told?" And, good gracious, you sure have told. If it were only your first post, it was by far more than enough, but you've gone well past the extra mile. Now, let us away from here. Other duties call. God bless you. May His grace keep you, my sister.

tiarabubu:



LOL

if some Christian or any non- Muslim were to publish such nonsense about Islam and its prophets four things would happen;

(i) the publishing house will go up in flames
(ii) the writers head will be on a spike
(iii) hundreds of churches and houses will be up in flames and thousands would be dead
(iv) Muslims will claim "outrage", "disrespect", "discrimination", "persecution", "clash of civilisation" etc in describing their "pain"!

Also, Deedat was allowed to stay in the predominantly Christian country to spew his trash. Would a predominantly Muslim country watch with such calm if he were resident in that country and write such about Islam and its prophet?

Such hypocrisy that Deedat didnt see. pity.

if you claim to be "christian" you should show the respect to the dead that Jesus (as) would show especially that he did no wrong action other than preaching with his mouth.Sheikh Ahmad Deedat is dead.i know he was thunderous and he shook the hearts of christians.but he is dead.deal with his message without having to insult the messenger.

LagosShia:

if you claim to be "christian" you should show the respect to the dead that Jesus (as) would show especially that he did no wrong action other than preaching with his mouth.Sheikh Ahmad Deedat is dead.i know he was thunderous and he shook the hearts of christians.but he is dead.deal with his message without having to insult the messenger.

lol...dude, you're a case!

"Who Is The "comforter" In The Bible And Why"?
https://www.nairaland.com/871478/us-christian-jewish-actor-director-sean#10351101

"The New Islamic Nation In Undeniable Bible Prophecies"
https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-820160.0.html

The Fifth Kingdom(of God) In The Bible Prophecy Of The Book " DANIEL 2" Is Islam!
https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-772940.0.html

"The Event Of Mubahila:Surrender Of The Christians To The Prophet Muhammad (sa)"
https://www.nairaland.com/836589/event-mubahila-surrender-christians-prophet

"Nestor:the Christian Monk In Syria Who Bore Witness To Muhammad"
https://www.nairaland.com/597768/nestor-christian-monk-syria-who

Ihedinobi:

lol...dude, you're a case!

go to youtube and search for lectures and debates of Sheikh Ahmad Deedat.then you will know something!

Ihedinobi:

Just loving reading you, sis. You've got a really good head At some point though, we ought to leave well enough alone. Winning or losing the argument is of very tiny consequence, the really big deal is "were they told?" And, good gracious, you sure have told. If it were only your first post, it was by far more than enough, but you've gone well past the extra mile. Now, let us away from here. Other duties call. God bless you. May His grace keep you, my sister.

Thank you oh jare. Hypocrisy, sometimes, is hard to ignore.

May God keep u too.

LagosShia:

if you claim to be "christian" you should show the respect to the dead that Jesus (as) would show especially that he did no wrong action other than preaching with his mouth.Sheikh Ahmad Deedat is dead.i know he was thunderous and he shook the hearts of christians.but he is dead.deal with his message without having to insult the messenger.

Your hypocrisy shines through yet again.

How many non-muslims "did no wrong action other than preaching with his [their] mouth (s)" and ended up DEAD?! Is it not for a similar reason the Iranians claim that pastor Yosef ndarkhani is facing death penalty in Tehran?

if you knew about Jesus well you will know he said "let the dead bury their dead". The living and their salvation are more important at this moment than the dead. The dead are gone. We must learn from their lives, deeds, flops, and mistakes to make a positive impact on the living.

So your talk on "respect" doesn't cut it. Ahmed should have earned respect with his own mouth while alive. He is late.

And unfortunate for him, and you, he didn't shake the heart of Christians. Else which Christian quotes him today? Even muslims seldom quote him. He is not a reference point for ANY serious argument, not even on Nairaland or even you LagoShia! How many times have YOU quoted him? So his message means NADA, zlitch, puch, nothing!

So much for shaking hearts! Lol!

Hypocrisy no good oh!

do justice to ur friend,even to ur enemy

^ Sheikh Ahmad Deedat [ra] of course earned respect while alive and even now that he is dead! His materials as his legacy are there for those whose hearts are alive in true faith to strengthen them. And for those who are with dead hearts if they are seeking a living heart, when they come across his work, they are jolted to consciousness, if they are sincerely seeking the truth.

You asked if any christian has ever quoted him? Try Sam shamoun. His debate with Sheikh Shabir Ally {Is the Bible the Word of God?}, could not end without Sam saying it was Deedat [ra] that Shabir was copying when the issue of donkey like male organ and horse like emission from the male organ was discussed in the Bible if this verse was from God.

Maybe you have been burying your head in local source materials. You should try international arena where the likes of many of your apologetic {Dr Moray included] have been owned using the bible verses.

@Tiarabubu: This video is to show you that christians do mention Sheikh Ahmad Deedat: you will hear Sam in 2.23 minutes of this video.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xYFl-mKrbK4

bilms: do justice to ur friend,even to ur enemy

has justice been done to Ndarkhani? He is accused of the same thing by the Iranians (which according to ndarkhanis lawyers is not true but because he left Islam. But lets even assume it's true).

Why should Ahmed be while ndarkhani is fighting for his life! Ahmed was free to talk, debate, slander, blaspheme in a predominantly Christian country and he died in warm soft bed, at a ripe age surrounded by family. Ndarkhani is just an apostate- he is in an unknown jail, totured, cut off from family and friends.

WHERE IS THE JUSTICE ? Better read your quote to yourself loudly. And while you at it, forward it to sweetnecter. His epistles have little substance and bore me.

hypocrisy no good oh!

tiarabubu:

has justice been done to Ndarkhani? He is accused of the same thing by the Iranians (which according to ndarkhanis lawyers is not true but because he left Islam. But lets even assume it's true).

Why should Ahmed be while ndarkhani is fighting for his life! Ahmed was free to talk, debate, slander, blaspheme in a predominantly Christian country and he died in warm soft bed, at a ripe age surrounded by family. Ndarkhani is just an apostate- he is in an unknown jail, totured, cut off from family and friends.

WHERE IS THE JUSTICE ? Better read your quote to yourself loudly. And while you at it, forward it to sweetnecter. His epistles have little substance and bore me.

hypocrisy no good oh!

no he is not just an apostate.he was an agent of american missionaries.Iran tolerates and treats its christian and jewish minorities with utmost respect.if you decide to change,then believe in your heart.but in an Islamic state where the government is based on islamic laws,you dont go about brandishing your conversion and trying hard to confuse others,and spew doubt into their minds and thus threaten the fabric of an islamic society.these american churches even use visa,money and other bribed to lure youths into conversion.in america at a point,being a communist is a treasonable offense.you do not try to uproot the regime in place and threaten its existence and it would be looking at you.any system wants harmony,stability and not threat to change it.when you are preaching against it,then you're looking for trouble.you do not ask for regime change anywhere and think you wont be thrown into prison.conversion is a personal choice.if you do it for God's sake,then keep it personal.but when you want to use it on others,then you're violating their rights and making it a political tool and a manifestation of contempt for the establishment which in an islamic republic is based on islamic laws.i have dealt with this in another post.i hope you go through it and do not raise this issue again-but ofcourse that is a wish.you are an expert in dragging arguments while making no sense.


https://www.nairaland.com/993339/muslims-house-please-give-this/2#11507537

LagosShia:

"Those who believe, then disbelieve, then believe again, then disbelieve, and then increase in their disbelief - Allah will never forgive them nor guide them to the path."[Holy Quran 4:137].

in (4:137),if a person is to be killed for apostacy,then how can he believe again after he disbelieves?

as for preaching or rather marketing religion and using it as business to "attract" or rather deceive people,you should take a look at this video and the joke of it:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lLtY2owbCGM&feature=player_embedded


i as a Muslim do not mind hearing what a christian have to say about his beliefs nor does Islam forbid that.there is no harm if it is done in the form of dialogue and sharing beliefs or ideas or even debating them.there is harm when you want to turn religion into a marketable commodity and competition to deceive people using different methods including bribery and feeding empty stomachs to trade for their souls.

LagosShia:

no i dont agree.

it would have being far better had an atheist (not a christian) raise these questions.you got one finger pointing at others while the four remaining are pointing back at you.

christian groups that evangelize or in other words go hunting or fishing for souls,are not the most charitable people in the world.you do not need to help people and then try to shove the bible down their throats.in fact all the money you spend trying to fish or hunt souls especially ones that are uneducated or ignorant of religious matters,can be spent helping poor people.

these institutions you are talking about are just means or rather traps to lure the unsuspecting.the christian evangelist who proselytise has more tricks than a 419 criminal.

if you want to preach and you really believe you have the truth,you should bring your priests or bishops and the most knowledgable among your learned men to a muslim city,country or community to hold a public dialogue or debate with the most knowledgeable and learned of the muslims.in that way people can know which of the two is best.you don't go about propagating lies and using tricks and then ask if that is allowed or permitted.is lying allowed in christianity? if not,then why do you want us to accept that? if fake publicity is illegal then why should we accept it? there is a well defined method in Islam to preach and freedom to do so.but harassing vulnerable preys who could be unlearned or ignorant and looking for loopholes to exploit is not freedom to preach but exploitation.i have christian friends who preach.and what they do,is to look for the "vulnerable" they see as "having a willing spirit to receive the message".if they meet a muslim who wants to engage them,they refuse and excuse themselves.that is dishonest and shameful.

LagosShia:

no he is not just an apostate.he was an agent of american missionaries.Iran tolerates and treats its christian and jewish minorities with utmost respect.if you decide to change,then believe in your heart.but in an Islamic state where the government is based on islamic laws,you dont go about brandishing your conversion and trying hard to confuse others,and spew doubt into their minds and thus threaten the fabric of an islamic society.these american churches even use visa,money and other bribed to lure youths into conversion.in america at a point,being a communist is a treasonable offense.you do not try to uproot the regime in place and threaten its existence and it would be looking at you.any system wants harmony,stability and not threat to change it.when you are preaching against it,then you're looking for trouble.you do not ask for regime change anywhere and think you wont be thrown into prison.conversion is a personal choice.if you do it for God's sake,then keep it personal.but when you want to use it on others,then you're violating their rights and making it a political tool and a manifestation of contempt for the establishment which in an islamic republic is based on islamic laws.i have dealt with this in another post.i hope you go through it and do not raise this issue again-but ofcourse that is a wish.you are an expert in dragging arguments while making no sense.


https://www.nairaland.com/993339/muslims-house-please-give-this/2#11507537

Please count your words when you speak, LagosShia. Only one thing currently lies between you and judgment.

LOL I can bet a lot of things that even you dont believe in what you are saying

LagosShia:

no he is not just an apostate.he was an agent of american missionaries.

If Iran wants to deal with anybody, its easy to label the person a spy for the Zionist or America. Where is the proof? Also, post the charges made on Ndarkhani by the Iranians. Does it contain the charge that he is an agent of the Americans? Lol, so also the ground zero mosque proponents, who at one time wanted to collect funds from overseas, were agents of the Iranians, the Saudi's etc?

You and your hypocritical stance, how many madrasas are sponsored by Islamic countries? How many donate for building Mosques in the west? and even in nigeria? What say ye? Hypocrisy no good oh!

Iran tolerates and treats its christian and jewish minorities with utmost respect.if you decide to change,then believe in your heart.but in an Islamic state where the government is based on islamic laws,you dont go about brandishing your conversion and trying hard to confuse others,and spew doubt into their minds and thus threaten the fabric of an islamic society.

This your hypocritical stance has been thoroughly debunked here

https://www.nairaland.com/956939/lives-religious-minorities-islamic-republic#11322309

Hypocrisy no good oh!

these american churches even use visa,money and other bribed to lure youths into conversion.in america at a point,being a communist is a treasonable offense.you do not try to uproot the regime in place and threaten its existence and it would be looking at you.any system wants harmony,stability and not threat to change it.when you are preaching against it,then you're looking for trouble.you do not ask for regime change anywhere and think you wont be thrown into prison.

Are there no Muslims in the US? As a policy, US offers sanctuatury to anybody that is threatened with state sponsored persecution. Its a government decision. Missionaries don't give visas OK? If you didnt know, now you know.

Another grand hypocrisy. Are Muslims in Switzerland not asking for the flag of the country to be changed cos it "offends" them? are they not threatening to change a stable system in switzerland? What of wanting Shariah Zones in London? Are they not trying to unseat a stable system of freedom and rights to all men? What of Halal meat and Burkah in France? Are they not causing religious tension by upturning a stable system that allowed them to come in, do their conversions and settle well before dropping Al-taquiyya for antagonism? Hypocrisy no good oh!

http://www.brusselsjournal.com/node/4855
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2019547/Anjem-Choudary-Islamic-extremists-set-Sharia-law-zones-UK-cities.html
http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/in-france-halal-meat-drama-enters-election-campaign/2012/03/06/gIQA6gN1uR_story.html

To turn the tables (by your definition), Muslims are lookig for trouble in the west then. They came, met a stable system that respected their individual rights, they grew in numbers and now want to destabilize the very system that nurtured and sustained them - wanting to prevent others from enjoying what they did before. Why shouldn't Hindus, or Bahai or Ahamdis or buddists also come in and be established? Why Shariah controlled zones for example.

Hypocrisy no good oh!

conversion is a personal choice.if you do it for God's sake,then keep it personal.

really? Why are apostates in deep trouble in Muslim countries? Why is Iran contemplating a law to KILL apostates, for example? Not even ones that preach, even atheists are not spared.

http://www.thecuttingedgenews.com/index.php?article=371

but when you want to use it on others,then you're violating their rights and making it a political tool and a manifestation of contempt for the establishment which in an islamic republic is based on islamic laws.i have dealt with this in another post.i hope you go through it and do not raise this issue again-but ofcourse that is a wish.you are an expert in dragging arguments while making no sense.

And to debunk your lies here is part of the report on apostasy law

Article 225-1 states “Any Muslim who clearly announces that he/she has left Islam and declares blasphemy is an [size=15pt]Apostate[/size].” Article 225-2 adds that “Serious and earnest intention is the condition for certainty in apostasy.” So an accused person could claim that he made his statement reluctantly, or ignorantly, or while drunk, or through the slip of a tongue, and he would not be considered an apostate.
The penal code also identifies two types of apostates: innate (Fetri) and parental (Melli). An innate apostate has at least one parent who was a Muslim at conception, who declares himself a Muslim after maturity, then later leaves Islam. Maturity occurs at puberty, usually around 12 or 13. By contrast, both the parents of a parental apostate were non-Muslims at his conception. A parental apostate becomes a Muslim at maturity, then “later leaves Islam and returns to blasphemy.”
The code adds another condition for the parental apostate: anyone who has “at least one Muslim parent at the time of conception but after the age of maturity, without pretending to be a Muslim, [size=15pt]chooses[/size] blasphemy is considered a Parental Apostate.”

To dispel any confusion over the required punishment for apostasy, the draft code says outright that “punishment for an Innate Apostate is [size=15pt]death[/size].” However, parental apostates do receive a slender reprieve: After sentencing, they have three days to recant their beliefs. If not, they will be executed according to their sentence.


Where does it state that the person must make religion a political tool before he or she is to be killed? For the purpose of drumming it into your head;

(i) The condition of being labelled an apostate is LEAVING THE FAITH to blasphemy (an euphemism for any belief other than Islam). one can be called an innate or parental apostate.
(ii) Innate Apostates are to be punished with DEATH.
(iii) there is NO mention of politics in passing the death sentence. in fact any religion other than Islam is blasphemy.

PLEASE TRY ANOTHER LIE. This one is too lame.

And you were the one on Nairaland jubilating sometime ago on the conversion of the people of a french village to Islam. What if the people had left Islam in an Islamic country?

Hypocrisy no good oh!

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i have made my stance clear whether you accept it or not.you fall in the same category of Vedaxcool,Betathing and previously frosbel.if you like reason based on what i say.if not,you can do nothing about the foolish pastor in iran.if you want to make any change,go there and preach against the system and you too will end up where that foolish man is.and i am laughing at you and will laugh

i have explained what is the differnce between apostacy and freedom to believe which is in your heart.when apostacy is equal to treason,then it is punishable because as you mentioned in your post,it when you announce it and try to give publicity to it,you'd be punished.otherwise,religion is a personal relationship with God.if you want to use it for advert purposes,you'd have to blame your mumu self.

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Everybody is beginning to see u as a liar and hypocrite, u are not helping the course shia by this behavior!

@tirabu

While it is true that certain Islamic countries make apostacy laws etc, the position of the Qur'an is clear that is there is no compulsion in religion for truth standout manifest from error.

Secondly the prophet pbuh said actions shall be judge according to intention, hence for one to intend that he no longer wants to be muslim he automatically becomes a non - muslim hence threats can only change the outta belief but the intention remains apostate making the individual an apostate. So to me it makes no sense to compel somebody to remain muslim, such behavior is counter productive as the individual can easily be recruited by anti - state establishment! One thing u should know is that christians, jews etc have always been part of the muslim society and the practice of preventing change of religion is really not Islamic unless there is really a genuine reason like when someone has treasonous intent etc, but u cannot force someone to believe that is common sense!

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vedaxcool: ^

Everybody is beginning to see u as a liar and hypocrite, u are not helping the course shia by this behavior!

the people of kufr (unbelief) and nifaq (hypocrisy) are one.

the Quran is our judge.the alliance based on nifaq does not last!!!

Holy Quran 4:144
"O you who have believed, do not take the disbelievers as allies instead of the believers. Do you wish to give Allah against yourselves a clear case"?

Holy Quran 3:28
"O you who have believed, do not take the disbelievers as allies instead of the believers. Do you wish to give Allah against yourselves a clear case?"

Holy Quran 5:51
"O you who have believed, do not take the Jews and the Christians as allies. They are [in fact] allies of one another. And whoever is an ally to them among you - then indeed, he is [one] of them. Indeed, Allah guides not the wrongdoing people".