Amayabor1:


Guam, Okinawa, and other US military bases are fixed target. Is China as a country not a fixed target? Or China floats in space? You talked about barrage of missiles, coming from a single place (the Chinese Homeland). Compare that to missiles coming from Guam, Okinawa, South Korea and any other military bases in the region, including assets on the sea. All from different countries and you think the one sending it's missiles from a particular place of the country stands a better chance. US submarines plays in the south China Sea, close to China. China had to beg the US to tell them what really happened when one of US submarines had an accident in the south China Sea. They were not even aware of the submarine's activities.

You talked about China's cruise missiles being mobile. And all the US weapon systems are all land based and fixed right?

Talking about Aircraft combat radius, I have explained this before. The US Aircraft carriers can operate at 200 nautical miles from shore and still be difficult to detect (even 400 Nm) and aircraft combat radius will not be a problem as all US fighter jets that operate on carriers have a combat radius that exceeds 400nm. With destruction of enemy defense and offensive weapons by submarines, cruise missiles from other war ships in the carrier strike group, the aircraft carrier can get closer to shore, thereby reducing the sortie time of fighter jets operating from carrier. Should I remind you that the US have 11 of such aircraft carriers each forming a carrier strike group (consisting of submarines, guided missile cruisers, destroyers, frigates, the carrier itself each having about 70 fighter jets on board, ISR aircrafts like the E-2C Hawkeye). Imagine 11 different carrier strike group operating at different points in the SCS. Mind you, in the event of war, US submarines will play a major role in destructing targets in China. The war will be ended by submarines before it starts. US submarine power is unmatched.

As for ISR. I stand on my earlier comment that China do not have the military capabilities to track a US Aircraft carrier in REAL TIME. They can know an a carrier has been in a certain location days after the carrier has left that particular place. But they can't do real time tracking of a US aircraft carrier.


Anyways, this argument can go on and on. You are free to believe on Chinese military capabilities while I believe on the US superior military capabilities. Only war between these countries can prove either of us right. We hope that day doesn't come!

Bye!

Simeonjoe1:


Concerning those submarines nobody has the monopoly of operating silent subs. US,Britain, Russia, and Chinese diesel electric subs are equally deadly.
China also has its submarine patrolling the south China sea undetected. In fact there was even an incident in the east China sea where a Chinese submarine was known to have trailed a US aircraft carrier group with its Japanese destroyer counterpart undetected even well within torpedo range. If it's in conflict that's how they would have destroyed the carrier.
Infact US have reported on some occasions of sighting Chinese submarine sailing close to the area of a naval exercise. A Russia sub once even sailed in the gulf of Mexico close to US mainland undetected. It was after its mission when pulling aways that it was discovered.
So running undercover submarine operation is not peculiar to the US alone. Also generally submarine are harder to detect.

In a simulated naval exercise with its NATO allies. A French diesel electric submarine was said to destroy a US aircraft carrier with more than half of its battle group and still slip away undetected. It was after this simulation that US eyes even becomes more open knowing the genuine threat a small less expensive diesel electric submarine can possess. And China have this in enough numbers and still even building more.
China is not Iran guy. Even against iran US will have to think twice, so never underestimate them.

Simeonjoe1:


I don't know if you're being ignorant boss or you decide to stick to a pro western article without forethought.
When I mentioned barrage of missiles I assumed both side striking each other. US has the ability to strike China hard and China also possess this ability to hit US hard in the pacific and even the US mainland. While China possess a more intermediate range cruise missile which the US lags behind due to its treaty with Russia, I believe Trump has overrule this. Also with China claim of having hypersonic weapons being deployed, if we are to go by that it means China has more survivable missile compare to the US tomahawk missile with subsonic speed though more advanced in times of guidance system but at same time it's highly vulnerable to missile defense. If we are to go by the claim, the Syria government even intercepted some of them.

Concerning the US neutralizing Chinese target you must definitely be joking. Like the whole of China with missile systems scattered about some in underground bunkers, some in submarines, some even mobile changing location constantly. Guy China is not Iraq or Syria, it's not even Iran, no preemptive strike from US can neutralize Chinese ability to strike back. Even against North Korea do you think that a preemptive strike can wipe out their artillery system. Baba you're just capping. For any strike to be effective US will have to fly sorties deep into China meaning they'll have to gain air superiority do you think that will be possible. Even in Iraq after gaining air superiority hunting of Iraqi squad mobile missile was a daunting task talk more of China. Guy for real you must be joking to think you US can just silent China reply, something they can't even do in ordinary Vietnam, till the end of the war Vietnam airforce is still very much active and even engaging US target.

Guy I've said this China can detect and track US aircraft carriers, it's not a rocket science. China is well advanced for that even india can do that. They have the asset to do so. They have their own aircraft carriers too with ISR planes they have submarine, has maritime surveillance plane with combat radius of thousands miles. Even the US knows this and that's why they will be careful in rushing aircraft carriers into any conflict with China.

Amayabor1:


You are actually the ignorant one though. China will hit US bla bla bla. Even if Nigeria enters a war with the US, Nigeria can cause some casaulties in the US side, but Nigeria will suffer a far greater destruction.

There is no country that doesn't have military capabilities. Taiwan has military capabilities, but that doesn't mean Taiwan is a match for China. Mexico have military capabilities, but that doesn't mean they are a match for the US. Finland has military capabilities, but that doesn't mean they are a match for Russia. China has military capabilities, but that doesn't mean they are a match for the US. Is there any country that will not suffer casaulty from a war? In a war between the US and China, will the US suffer casaulties? Yes of course! Even a dummy knows that. But China will be completely destroyed (sorry if this fact annoys you).

China is growing militarily, yes. But that doesn't mean the US military resting on it's oars. The only edge China have over the Americans for now is in hypersonic missiles (There are even doubts in some quarters about Chinese claim of owning hypersonic missiles). Even at that, the Americans are pouring in billions into hypersonic missile technology and trust me, they are getting there. Apart from hypersonic missiles, the US beats China in EVERY other aspects of military assets and capabilities; fighter jets, Submarines, Nuclear weapons, bombers, space assets for military purpose, war experience, name it.


The funny thing about some of you is that you guys sometimes give China the military hype and capabilities they don't even give themselves. If they really could match the US militarily, Taiwan would have been under Chinese rule by now. Even China fears the consequences of entering a war with the US. But una for Nairaland believe China is a match for the US.

Fews days before and after the Trump vs Biden election, there were fears in China that Trump may react irrationally and attack China. General Miley (the Chairman of the US joint Chief of staffs) had to call a top Chinese military leader twice or 3 times that the US will not attack China and even if there were plans to attack, China will be informed prior before the attack. That was how top Chinese officials became calm. There was a time the US army trained with the Chinese flag inscribed on their uniforms. The Chinese have to quickly contact top US military officials who assured them that the US was not planning an attack.

The US continues to harass China as it relates to Taiwan and the south China Sea (where China claims sovereignty but the US regularly send war ships and submarines into the SCS). If China feels they now have the military strength to withstand the US, they should attack Taiwan and bring it under it's control, then attack any US warship violating it's "sovereignty" in the SCS. Until that happens, we may never know what the military of both countries are capable of.

Simeonjoe1:


A fight btw China and US? Well the US might win but at what cost. They will be severely bloodied! If it's nuclear weapons they can vaporize the US too. To use a simple analogy.
It's just like you fighting another man, you may end up killing him but he'll as well bloodied you and leave you paralyzed for life! Infact you might not even survive till the next decades due to injury received. Then at was cost was your victory?
You said Nigeria, Nigeria can just give them a little scarring or parhaps bloodied nose.
Russia might send you comatose with severe brain damage that will later kill you.
Both sides are taking cautions and are not predictable, Biden just released a statement lately saying US doesn't identify with Taiwan independence in fact US have to scrap some weapon sales to Taiwan to avoid stroking tensions. So it's both ways, if it was 20yrs ago US would have damn the consequences in fact with this recent large incursion of Chinese aircraft violating Taiwanese airspace and different Chinese naval drills stimulating attack on Taiwan the US would have put up a great show of force. Many years back when when China threatened Taiwan US sent a whole 2 carrier battle group to Taiwanese port as a show of deterrence but currently can they do that?

Yes Chinese is not up to the US in times of military might and they still have some way to go. But underestimating them will be at your own peril even the US does not.

Amayabor1:


At least, we are on the same page as it regards the summary of the whole matter;

1. The US will defeat China in a war and if it comes at a great cost to the US, it means China will no longer exists on the world map.

2. China military is not at par with the US military.

I think that quite settles everything.

Hanibbal:


Both countries have what it takes to destroy each other so there would be no winner in such a war. Even in a conventional war where no nukes are deployed you can't predict such outcome I have learnt not to predict who wins or loses in a war. U.S is well armed and China is too.

Amayabor1:


We all have a right to our opinions. But if with all the provocations the US is meting out on China (as it regards Taiwan and the South China Sea) and China still can't do anything militarily, other than to rant, then China is afraid to dare you he US in a war.

Amayabor1:


At least, we are on the same page as it regards the summary of the whole matter;

1. The US will defeat China in a war and if it comes at a great cost to the US, it means China will no longer exists on the world map.

2. China military is not at par with the US military.

I think that quite settles everything.

Hanibbal:


So you want China to start a war? China does not even need that. It has been demonstarting that it will defend itself and interest. It has intecepted U.S poseidon spy planes over south china sea in the past and it is still doing that.

Two weeks ago Australia and Canada still protested that Chinese figher planes were harrasing their own fighter planes enforcing UN sanctions over North Korea.

Even U.S has complained in time past that China was targeting it figher planes with lasers. China does not need to start a war even U.S won't dare to start a war with China, they can harras each other, confront each other but they won't allow it to degenerate into a conflict cause it will be bad for both countries.

U.S is even avoiding a war with Iran not to talk of China.

Amayabor1:


Guam, Okinawa, and other US military bases are fixed target. Is China as a country not a fixed target? Or China floats in space? You talked about barrage of missiles, coming from a single place (the Chinese Homeland). Compare that to missiles coming from Guam, Okinawa, South Korea and any other military bases in the region, including assets on the sea. All from different countries and you think the one sending it's missiles from a particular place of the country stands a better chance. US submarines plays in the south China Sea, close to China. China had to beg the US to tell them what really happened when one of US submarines had an accident in the south China Sea. They were not even aware of the submarine's activities.

You talked about China's cruise missiles being mobile. And all the US weapon systems are all land based and fixed right?

Talking about Aircraft combat radius, I have explained this before. The US Aircraft carriers can operate at 200 nautical miles from shore and still be difficult to detect (even 400 Nm) and aircraft combat radius will not be a problem as all US fighter jets that operate on carriers have a combat radius that exceeds 400nm. With destruction of enemy defense and offensive weapons by submarines, cruise missiles from other war ships in the carrier strike group, the aircraft carrier can get closer to shore, thereby reducing the sortie time of fighter jets operating from carrier. Should I remind you that the US have 11 of such aircraft carriers each forming a carrier strike group (consisting of submarines, guided missile cruisers, destroyers, frigates, the carrier itself each having about 70 fighter jets on board, ISR aircrafts like the E-2C Hawkeye). Imagine 11 different carrier strike group operating at different points in the SCS. Mind you, in the event of war, US submarines will play a major role in destructing targets in China. The war will be ended by submarines before it starts. US submarine power is unmatched.

As for ISR. I stand on my earlier comment that China do not have the military capabilities to track a US Aircraft carrier in REAL TIME. They can know an a carrier has been in a certain location days after the carrier has left that particular place. But they can't do real time tracking of a US aircraft carrier.


Anyways, this argument can go on and on. You are free to believe on Chinese military capabilities while I believe on the US superior military capabilities. Only war between these countries can prove either of us right. We hope that day doesn't come!

Bye!

Simeonjoe1:


I don't know if you're being ignorant boss or you decide to stick to a pro western article without forethought.
When I mentioned barrage of missiles I assumed both side striking each other. US has the ability to strike China hard and China also possess this ability to hit US hard in the pacific and even the US mainland. While China possess a more intermediate range cruise missile which the US lags behind due to its treaty with Russia, I believe Trump has overrule this. Also with China claim of having hypersonic weapons being deployed, if we are to go by that it means China has more survivable missile compare to the US tomahawk missile with subsonic speed though more advanced in times of guidance system but at same time it's highly vulnerable to missile defense. If we are to go by the claim, the Syria government even intercepted some of them.

Concerning the US neutralizing Chinese target you must definitely be joking. Like the whole of China with missile systems scattered about some in underground bunkers, some in submarines, some even mobile changing location constantly. Guy China is not Iraq or Syria, it's not even Iran, no preemptive strike from US can neutralize Chinese ability to strike back. Even against North Korea do you think that a preemptive strike can wipe out their artillery system. Baba you're just capping. For any strike to be effective US will have to fly sorties deep into China meaning they'll have to gain air superiority do you think that will be possible. Even in Iraq after gaining air superiority hunting of Iraqi squad mobile missile was a daunting task talk more of China. Guy for real you must be joking to think you US can just silent China reply, something they can't even do in ordinary Vietnam, till the end of the war Vietnam airforce is still very much active and even engaging US target.

Guy I've said this China can detect and track US aircraft carriers, it's not a rocket science. China is well advanced for that even india can do that. They have the asset to do so. They have their own aircraft carriers too with ISR planes they have submarine, has maritime surveillance plane with combat radius of thousands miles. Even the US knows this and that's why they will be careful in rushing aircraft carriers into any conflict with China.

Simeonjoe1:


I totally agreed to number 2

But number 1?
Defeat here is relative. When you mean defeat, I asked at what battle theater?
Is it at US home soil? US clearly wins.

A neutral open pacific naval conflict? US wins

At Chinese homeland with the US invading and trying to occupy and hold it? China wins.

In a real time scenario US likely would be the aggressor and China on the defensive. If it's a full blown confrontation they'll likely be seeking to destroy all Chinese armed forces which will include an invasion into Chinese homeland attacking their army. The though of this brings shivers, the millions of lives that would be lost on both sides. In the long run I can't envision a US winning the technical war. Political victory maybe. Forget US can't subject and beat China on their home soil.