World powers have been using Taiwan to play ludo for centuries. Netherland, Britain, Japan, China and USA.

Original settlers in Taiwan were not Chinese. They are formosa people. They were invaded and suppressed by Chinese in 15 or 16th century. They represent less than 3% of present Taiwan population. Chinese in Taiwan should go back to China. Formosa and other indigenous people should govern themselves. Republic of formosa

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So far no country recognise her as a country. She's not a country just like Scotland. Taiwan is part of China.

Sevenworldpower:
Original settlers in Taiwan were not Chinese. They are formosa people. They were invaded and suppressed by Chinese in 15 or 16th century. They represent less than 3% of present Taiwan population. Chinese in Taiwan should go back to China. Formosa and other indigenous people should govern themselves. Republic of formosa

This is why people fail exams. Ask question. Answer another thing.

Before you start to talk rubbish.

Every nation in the whole world is made up of different ethnicities. Have that at hand.
Taiwan is a Provence of China.
Its official name is republic of china, who believe that one day they will conquer China mainland.
After Chinese civil war, those Chinese who believe in democratic process were defeated hence fled to the island of Taiwan, where they established the republic of china.

Republic of China (Taiwan) represented the Chinese people until in the 70s when the China mainland influence is growing, and UN recognise china mainland as the sole representative of the Chinese people instead of the China island.
From the United Nations definition of a sovereign country republic of china (Taiwan) is not a sovereign state, can be classified as an autonomous region of China. But not a sovereign state.

Let me say it is a region in China

Dvdpity:

This is why people fail exams. Ask question. Answer another thing.

Before you start to talk rubbish.

Every nation in the whole world is made up of different ethnicities. Have that at hand.
Taiwan is a Provence of China.
Its official name is republic of china, who believe that one day they will conquer China mainland.
After Chinese civil war, those Chinese who believe in democratic process were defeated hence fled to the island of Taiwan, where they established the republic of china.

Republic of China (Taiwan) represented the Chinese people until in the 70s when the China mainland influence is growing, and UN recognise china mainland as the sole representative of the Chinese people instead of the China island.
From the United Nations definition of a sovereign country republic of china (Taiwan) is not a sovereign state, can be classified as an autonomous region of China. But not a sovereign state.

Formosa republic

Sevenworldpower:


Formosa republic

Which country recognize such republic? Stop posting trash. If you need more references please Google Cairo 1945 conference. That was when Taiwan was returned to China. get educated. Although we don't care about your BS. But you can keep it up.

It's definitely not a country .
This is Taiwan president Twitter account,you can clearly see Taiwan, republic of china there.
It's an island in china that the un and 99% of the world country recognize as part of china

babyboy4every1:
So far no country recognise her as a country. She's not a country just like Scotland. Taiwan is part of China.

Scotland is no more or less a country than England is

Dvdpity:

Which country recognize such republic? Stop posting trash. If you need more references please Google Cairo 1945 conference. That was when Taiwan was returned to China. get educated. Although we don't care about your BS. But you can keep it up.

You are not recognized just like formosa republic.

Taiwanese is different from Chinese language. Taiwan is an independent country. China colonized the area. Other empires also did similar thing. Taiwan was spoil of war after defeat of Japanese Army by allies in 1945.
World need more countries.

Sevenworldpower:
Taiwanese is different from Chinese language. Taiwan is an independent country. China colonized the area. Other empires also did similar thing. Taiwan was spoil of war after defeat of Japanese Army by allies in 1945.
World need more countries.

How did China colonised Taiwan? Can you explain please because the last time I check Taiwan an island belonging to China since Chinese empire won over the island then the anti communist Chinese people that ran away from mainland China formed Taiwan.
The Taiwan island language is Chinese language

In the beginning, the island Taiwan was occupied by various ethnic groups that are/were related to Polynesian people.

Members of the ethnic groups weren't mongoloid like Chinese, Japanese, Korean etc.

The Manchurian people( another Mongolian people) conquered China, and they established a new empire called Qin(in 1644)

Note: the China that I am talking about was mainland China, and has nothing to do with Taiwan.

And, the China I am talking about was an Empire called Ming. It was made up various mongoloid and non mongoloid ethnics. The mongoloid ethnic group Han was the ruling and dominating ethnic group in the empire.


Now, when the Manchurians conquered China( then called Ming empire) they established an empire called Qin empire.

The conquering Qin didn't wipe away everything Ming. Ming empire loyalists that remained waged guerilla warfares against the Manchus(Qin empire)

When this Ming empire loyalists were overwhelmed by the Manchus(Qin empire), they crossed the sea to the island Taiwan to regroup and recoupe.


Like I said, Taiwan was already occupied by various Polynesian ethnic groups. They Ming empire loyalists that crossed to Taiwan in order to find a new base to reconquer China, found some of these ethnic Polynesian people and wiped them away, and chased those that survived into the hinterland.


In the end, the Ming empire loyalists failed to re reconquer China, and the more superior Manchus(Qin empire) used the excuse of Taiwan harbouring Ming rebels to conquer and add Taiwan in the Qin empire.


Take note: Before the days of Ming and Qin, Chinese people have been migrating to Taiwan to do business or finding greener pastures.

But the Ming loyalists were the first Chinese people that applied arm force on Taiwan.


After Qin(the Manchus) took over both mainland China and Taiwan, they ruled them for upto 400 years.

In the year 1912, the Han ethnic group and other ethnic groups who have had enough of the Qin(Manchus) did a revolution and dislodged the Qin.

(Taiwan was still part of China)

The positive result the revolution brought didn't last long. Different factions that sought to control the government emerged. One of the factions was the faction of Communist Chairman Mao Tse Tung, and other the other was Nationalist Chiang Kai Shek faction

(Taiwan was still acknowledged as part of China by both the Communist and the Nationalist)


The Nationalist under Chiang Kai Shek initially had the upper hand in the civil war. In the end The Communist under Chairman Mao Tse Tung won.

Chiang Kai Shek ran to Taiwan with his loyalists and formed a government their, over the illiterate and unexposed Polynesian aborigine ethnic groups.

His plan was to get stronger in Taiwan and be able to reconquer mainland China.

When it became obvious to him that the plan would be near impossible for him, the concentrated on Taiwan and declared it independent from Mainland China.


Afraid that Communist mainland China under Chairman Mao will soon reconquer Taiwan, he (Chiang Kai Shek) allied with America so that America will give his government protection against Chairman Mao.


Now, the thing is why is it that when Chiang Kai Shek had the upper hand in the civil war in mainland China, he recognized Taiwan as part of Mainland China?

But, when he saw defeat, and ran to Taiwan he declared Taiwan an independent country?


Back to the main question in this thread, my answer is that Taiwan is not part of mainland China.


Because, the aborigines of Taiwan were not even the same race with the the mainland Chinese people.

That they were largely illiterate and unexposed
doesn't mean that you(mainland Chinese government) will determine the country the belong in.

You can't say "we have the to right to determine their country because many Mainland Chinese people migrated to and control their island"

Taiwan is part of ancient china ..is just that usa wan use them play power feud ..evgo soon clear for their eyes ..is just like someone saying cutonu and porto norvo of benin republic doesn't belong to yoruba ...even tho they speak a modified yoruba and their culture is slightly different....God punish the colonialist..awon oloriburuku olofo imagine dividing brothers and cousin and putting people that are not meant to be together In a country

prettyayomide01:
In the beginning, the island Taiwan was occupied by various ethnic groups that are/were related to Polynesian people.

Members of the ethnic groups weren't mongoloid like Chinese, Japanese, Korean etc.

The Manchurian people( another Mongolian people) conquered China, and they established a new empire called Qin(in 1644)

Note: the China that I am talking about was mainland China, and has nothing to do with Taiwan.

And, the China I am talking about was an Empire called Ming. It was made up various mongoloid and non mongoloid ethnics. The mongoloid ethnic group Han was the ruling and dominating ethnic group in the empire.


Now, when the Manchurians conquered China( then called Ming empire) they established an empire called Qin empire.

The conquering Qin didn't wipe away everything Ming. Ming empire loyalists that remained waged guerilla warfares against the Manchus(Qin empire)

When this Ming empire loyalists were overwhelmed by the Manchus(Qin empire), they crossed the sea to the island Taiwan to regroup and recoupe.


Like I said, Taiwan was already occupied by various Polynesian ethnic groups. They Ming empire loyalists that crossed to Taiwan in order to find a new base to reconquer China, found some of these ethnic Polynesian people and wiped them away, and chased those that survived into the hinterland.


In the end, the Ming empire loyalists failed to re reconquer China, and the more superior Manchus(Qin empire) used the excuse of Taiwan harbouring Ming rebels to conquer and add Taiwan in the Qin empire.


Take note: Before the days of Ming and Qin, Chinese people have been migrating to Taiwan to do business or finding greener pastures.

But the Ming loyalists were the first Chinese people that applied arm force on Taiwan.


After Qin(the Manchus) took over both mainland China and Taiwan, they ruled them for upto 400 years.

In the year 1912, the Han ethnic group and other ethnic groups who have had enough of the Qin(Manchus) did a revolution and dislodged the Qin.

(Taiwan was still part of China)

The positive result the revolution brought didn't last long. Different factions that sought to control the government emerged. One of the factions was the faction of Communist Chairman Mao Tse Tung, and other the other was Nationalist Chiang Kai Shek faction

(Taiwan was still acknowledged as part of China by both the Communist and the Nationalist)


The Nationalist under Chiang Kai Shek initially had the upper hand in the civil war. In the end The Communist under Chairman Mao Tse Tung won.

Chiang Kai Shek ran to Taiwan with his loyalists and formed a government their, over the illiterate and unexposed Polynesian aborigine ethnic groups.

His plan was to get stronger in Taiwan and be able to reconquer mainland China.

When it became obvious to him that the plan would be near impossible for him, the concentrated on Taiwan and declared it independent from Mainland China.


Afraid that Communist mainland China under Chairman Mao will soon reconquer Taiwan, he (Chiang Kai Shek) allied with America so that America will give his government protection against Chairman Mao.


Now, the thing is why is it that when Chiang Kai Shek had the upper hand in the civil war in mainland China, he recognized Taiwan as part of Mainland China?

But, when he saw defeat, and ran to Taiwan he declared Taiwan an independent country?


Back to the main question in this thread, my answer is that Taiwan is not part of mainland China.


Because, the aborigines of Taiwan were not even the same race with the the mainland Chinese people.

That they were largely illiterate and unexposed
doesn't mean that you(mainland Chinese government) will determine the country the belong in.

You can't say "we have the to right to determine their country because many Mainland Chinese people migrated to and control their island"

Historian! I salute. I love people who love history.

Sevenworldpower:


Historian! I salute. I love people who love history.

Lol thank you

Taiwan is technically part of China that seeks independence, so the US seized that opportunity in order to contain China.Abi I lie?

prettyayomide01:
In the beginning, the island Taiwan was occupied by various ethnic groups that are/were related to Polynesian people.

Members of the ethnic groups weren't mongoloid like Chinese, Japanese, Korean etc.

The Manchurian people( another Mongolian people) conquered China, and they established a new empire called Qin(in 1644)

Note: the China that I am talking about was mainland China, and has nothing to do with Taiwan.

And, the China I am talking about was an Empire called Ming. It was made up various mongoloid and non mongoloid ethnics. The mongoloid ethnic group Han was the ruling and dominating ethnic group in the empire.


Now, when the Manchurians conquered China( then called Ming empire) they established an empire called Qin empire.

The conquering Qin didn't wipe away everything Ming. Ming empire loyalists that remained waged guerilla warfares against the Manchus(Qin empire)

When this Ming empire loyalists were overwhelmed by the Manchus(Qin empire), they crossed the sea to the island Taiwan to regroup and recoupe.


Like I said, Taiwan was already occupied by various Polynesian ethnic groups. They Ming empire loyalists that crossed to Taiwan in order to find a new base to reconquer China, found some of these ethnic Polynesian people and wiped them away, and chased those that survived into the hinterland.


In the end, the Ming empire loyalists failed to re reconquer China, and the more superior Manchus(Qin empire) used the excuse of Taiwan harbouring Ming rebels to conquer and add Taiwan in the Qin empire.


Take note: Before the days of Ming and Qin, Chinese people have been migrating to Taiwan to do business or finding greener pastures.

But the Ming loyalists were the first Chinese people that applied arm force on Taiwan.


After Qin(the Manchus) took over both mainland China and Taiwan, they ruled them for upto 400 years.

In the year 1912, the Han ethnic group and other ethnic groups who have had enough of the Qin(Manchus) did a revolution and dislodged the Qin.

(Taiwan was still part of China)

The positive result the revolution brought didn't last long. Different factions that sought to control the government emerged. One of the factions was the faction of Communist Chairman Mao Tse Tung, and other the other was Nationalist Chiang Kai Shek faction

(Taiwan was still acknowledged as part of China by both the Communist and the Nationalist)


The Nationalist under Chiang Kai Shek initially had the upper hand in the civil war. In the end The Communist under Chairman Mao Tse Tung won.

Chiang Kai Shek ran to Taiwan with his loyalists and formed a government their, over the illiterate and unexposed Polynesian aborigine ethnic groups.

His plan was to get stronger in Taiwan and be able to reconquer mainland China.

When it became obvious to him that the plan would be near impossible for him, the concentrated on Taiwan and declared it independent from Mainland China.


Afraid that Communist mainland China under Chairman Mao will soon reconquer Taiwan, he (Chiang Kai Shek) allied with America so that America will give his government protection against Chairman Mao.


Now, the thing is why is it that when Chiang Kai Shek had the upper hand in the civil war in mainland China, he recognized Taiwan as part of Mainland China?

But, when he saw defeat, and ran to Taiwan he declared Taiwan an independent country?


Back to the main question in this thread, my answer is that Taiwan is not part of mainland China.


Because, the aborigines of Taiwan were not even the same race with the the mainland Chinese people.

That they were largely illiterate and unexposed
doesn't mean that you(mainland Chinese government) will determine the country the belong in.

You can't say "we have the to right to determine their country because many Mainland Chinese people migrated to and control their island"

At the end of your beautiful story, you made a mess of it. As of 400yrs ago the han Chinese were rulers of Taiwan.
Let me remind you that countries all over the world are made up of various ethnicities and Taiwan is 70% Chinese.
Let end this debucle here.

Taiwan shouldn't be part of China just like Canada shouldn't and couldn't never be part of USA.
USA and allies caused the problem for Ukraine and Taiwan. Budapest agreement of 1994 made Ukraine to handover their nuclear arsenals to Russia. Allied powers made Taiwan to part of China. Ukraine and Taiwan shouldn't be under influence of Russia and China respectively.
More nations should be formed.
My ogbomoso can also be a country.

Dvdpity:

At the end of your beautiful story, you made a mess of it. As of 400yrs ago the han Chinese were rulers of Taiwan.
Let me remind you that countries all over the world are made up of various ethnicities and Taiwan is 70% Chinese.
Let end this debucle here.

I don't want to argue with you.

Han Chinese started ruling Taiwan when a Ming loyalist Koxinga and his men ruled some parts of Taiwan, with the intention of using it as a base to recapture Qin ruled China.

koxinga and his men didn't last long in Taiwan. Qin(Manchus) later annexed Taiwan

As for Ethnicity.
It may be true that the population of Taiwan is 70% Chinese.

But try to understand that this Chinese people are not indigenous Taiwanese.

Some of this Chinese robed their way into Taiwan.

Some went to do business in Taiwan and remained there with their descendants.

Some were the people that followed Chiang Kai Shek to Taiwan, when he was defeated in mainland China.

Chiang Kai Shek and his men were largely not opposed by the illiterate and unexposed Polynesian aborigine ethnic groups of Taiwan.

Chiang Kai Shek died, and his fellow Chinese and their descendants continued ruling Taiwan.

prettyayomide01:



I don't want to argue with you.

Han Chinese started ruling Taiwan when a Ming loyalist Koxinga and his men ruled some parts of Taiwan, with the intention of using it as a base to recapture Qin ruled China.

koxinga and his men didn't last long in Taiwan. Qin(Manchus) later annexed Taiwan

As for Ethnicity.
It may be true that the population of Taiwan is 70% Chinese.

But try to understand that this Chinese people are not indigenous Taiwanese.

Some of this Chinese robed their way into Taiwan.

Some went to do business in Taiwan and remained there with their descendants.

Some were the people that followed Chiang Kai Shek to Taiwan, when he was defeated in mainland China.

Chiang Kai Shek and his men were largely not opposed by the illiterate and unexposed Polynesian aborigine ethnic groups of Taiwan.

Chiang Kai Shek died, and his fellow Chinese and their descendants continued ruling Taiwan.

Is the whites ruling USA indigenous to America? Or the blacks indigenous to USA? Or the British indigenous to Australia and New Zealand?. Please wake up. Taiwan is China.

Sevenworldpower:
Taiwan shouldn't be part of China just like Canada shouldn't and couldn't never be part of USA.
USA and allies caused the problem for Ukraine and Taiwan. Budapest agreement of 1994 made Ukraine to handover their nuclear arsenals to Russia. Allied powers made Taiwan to part of China. Ukraine and Taiwan shouldn't be under influence of Russia and China respectively.
More nations should be formed.
My ogbomoso can also be a country.

You guys know nothing...
Maybe I should say your Western stance has blindfolded you...

Sevenworldpower:
Original settlers in Taiwan were not Chinese. They are formosa people. They were invaded and suppressed by Chinese in 15 or 16th century. They represent less than 3% of present Taiwan population. Chinese in Taiwan should go back to China. Formosa and other indigenous people should govern themselves. Republic of formosa

Should we say same for Palestine/Israel , those that came from Europe should go back

Dvdpity:

Is the whites ruling USA indigenous to America? Or the blacks indigenous to USA? Or the British indigenous to Australia and New Zealand?. Please wake up. Taiwan is China.

Since China base its ownership of Taiwan on "Historical ties", they should not forget that if it is by "Historical ties", the history of the subduing of indigenous Taiwanese by them should not be excluded by history.

If the Dutch in Netherlands had declared that the country South Africa is part of Netherlands(Dutch), simply because their kins the Boers(Afrikaans) were ruling South Africa(1910-1994) does it mean that their claim is legit.


If England had declared that the country Zimbabwe is part of England, simply because their kins(White Rhodesians) were ruling Zimbabwean, does it mean that Zimbabwe lawfully be part of England?

Now, the fact that the Chinese people is dominating and ruling Taiwan doesn't mean that the indigenous Taiwanese people and the island(taiwan) is totally Chinese.


The whites ruling USA that you cited did not and haven't declared that America is a white land. There is no way they will say or declare it when history of the indigenous Americans is there for all to see.

The same applies to Australia and New Zealand.

Our former president Goodluck Jonathan asked Buhari to investigate and prosecute, all the former rulers(presidents) of Nigeria, when Buhari threatened to investigate and prosecute Jonathan.

Jonathan was like "if you want to investigate and prosecute me, try to investigate and prosecute the other rulers of Nigeria also.

So my point is if China base their ownership of Taiwan based on "historical ties", they should not in their so called "history" start from when the Chinese started migrating to Taiwan.

They should highlight "the indigenous people in Taiwan" before their coming.



In layman's understanding, China shouldn't hid the history of Taiwan that doesn't soot them. They should present the so "history" complete.

Bentizil:

You guys know nothing...
Maybe I should say your Western stance has blindfolded you...

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