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Re: The Quran Or The Bible,which Is God's Word? by Hassanamed: 10:38am On Oct 18, 2013 |
The acount of d prophet SWE, in d hadit is corect becos d qu'ran has bin able 2 prov it self as we wul c; Is there any part in bible dat teaches how 2 fight 4 God? No!, which religion is d world scared of? Islam! Prophet muhammed tought us hw to kil our enemy, an we ar very hapy wit our qu'ran. |
Re: The Quran Or The Bible,which Is God's Word? by truthman2012(m): 11:11am On Oct 18, 2013 |
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Re: The Quran Or The Bible,which Is God's Word? by truthman2012(m): 11:14am On Oct 18, 2013 |
Those who believe the quran as the word of God are those who are not spiritually sound and lack the knowledge of how the Devil operates. One could have a degree in religious education but yet lack the knowledge of the true identity of Satan. The manner the quran was revealed was inconsistent with how God do speak to His prophets: Nuumber 1 Narrated 'Aisha: The commencement of the Divine Inspiration to Allah's Apostle was in the form of good righteous (true) dreams in his sleep. He never had a dream but that it came true like bright day light. He used to go in seclusion (the cave of) Hira where he used to worship(Allah Alone) continuously for many (days) nights. He used to take with him the journey food for that (stay) and then come back to (his wife) Khadija to take his food like-wise again for another period to stay, till suddenly the Truth descended upon him while he was in the cave of Hira. The angel came to him in it and asked him to read. The Prophet replied, "I do not know how to read." (The Prophet added), "The angel caught me (FORCEFULLY) AND PRESSED ME SO HARD THAT I COULD NOT BEAR IT ANY MORE. He then released me and again asked me to read, and I replied, "I do not know how to read," WHEREUPON HE CAUGHT ME AGAIN AND PRESSED ME THE SECOND TIME TILL I COULD NOT BEAR IT ANYMORE. [/b]He then released me and asked me again to read, but again I replied, "I do not know how to read (or, what shall I read?)." THEREUPON HE CAUGHT ME FOR THE THIRD TIME AND PRESSED ME and then released me and said, "Read: In the Name of your Lord, Who has created (all that exists). Has created man from a clot. Read and Your Lord is Most Generous...up to..... ..that which he knew not." (96.15). [b]Sahih Bukhari Volume 9, Book 87, Number 111. We can see that Gabriel tortured Muhammad thrice for his inability to do what he was incapable of doing. The true God will never torture any of His prophets to be sent good tidings as it happened to Muhammad. Number 2. Muhammad's manner of receiving the quranic revelations shows it could not be from the true God: Narrated 'Aisha: (the mother of the faithful believers) Al-Harith bin Hisham asked Allah's Apostle "O Allah's Apostle! How is the Divine Inspiration revealed to you?" Allah's Apostle replied, "Sometimes it is (revealed) like the ringing of a bell, this form of Inspiration is the hardest of all and then this state passes ' off after I have grasped what is inspired. Sometimes the Angel comes in the form of a man and talks to me and I grasp whatever he says." 'Aisha added: Verily I saw the Prophet being inspired Divinely on a very cold day and noticed the Sweat dropping from his forehead (as the Inspiration was over). Sahih Al-Bukhari: Volume 1, Book 1, Number 2: There is no hard way of receiving God's true revelations. Narrated Said bin Jubair: Ibn 'Abbas in the explanation of the Statement of Allah. 'Move not your tongue concerning (the Quran) to make haste therewith." (75.16) Said "Allah's Apostle used to bear the revelation with great trouble and used to move his lips (quickly) with the Inspiration." Ibn 'Abbas moved his lips saying, "I am moving my lips in front of you as Allah's Apostle used to move his." Said moved his lips saying: "I am moving my lips, as I saw Ibn 'Abbas moving his." Ibn 'Abbas added, "So Allah revealed 'Move not your tongue concerning (the Qur'an) to make haste therewith. It is for us to collect it and to give you (O Muhammad) the ability to recite it (the Qur'an) (75.16-17) which means that Allah will make him (the Prophet ) remember the portion of the Qur'an which was revealed at that time by heart and recite it. The Statement of Allah: And 'When we have recited it to you (O Muhammad through Gabriel) then you follow its (Qur'an) recital' (75.18) means 'listen to it and be silent.' Then it is for Us (Allah) to make It clear to you' (75.19) means 'Then it is (for Allah) to make you recite it (and its meaning will be clear by itself through your tongue). Afterwards, Allah's Apostle used to listen to Gabriel whenever he came and after his departure he used to recite it as Gabriel had recited it." Sahih Al-Bukhari: Volume 1, Book 1, Number 4: None of God's true prophets was receiving revelations with GREAT TROUBLE. Narrated Safwan bin Ya'la bin Umaiya from his father who said: "A man came to the Prophet while he was at Ji'rana. The man was wearing a cloak which had traces of Khaluq or Sufra (a kind of perfume). The man asked (the Prophet), 'What do you order me to perform in my 'Umra?' So, Allah inspired the Prophet divinely and he was screened by a place of cloth. I wished to see the Prophet being divinely inspired. 'Umar said to me, 'Come! Will you be pleased to look at the Prophet while Allah is inspiring him?' I replied in the affirmative. 'Umar lifted one corner of the cloth and I looked at the Prophet who was snoring. (The sub-narrator thought that he said: The snoring was like that of a camel). When that state was over, the Prophet asked, "Where is the questioner who asked about 'Umra? Put off your cloak and wash away the traces of Khaluq from your body and clean the Sufra (yellow color) and perform in your Umra what you perform in your Hajj (i.e. the Tawaf round the Ka'ba and the Sa'i between Safa and Marwa). " Sahih Al-Bukhari: Volume 3, Book 27, Number 17 God's prophets didn't deep sleep ands snore like camel to receive God's revelations. Narrated Jabir bin 'Abdullah: When the Ka'ba was rebuilt, the Prophet and 'Abbas went to carry stones. 'Abbas said to the Prophet "(Take off and) put your waist sheet over your neck so that the stones may not hurt you." (But as soon as he took off his waist sheet) he fell unconscious on the ground with both his eyes towards the sky. When he came to his senses, he said, "My waist sheet! My waist sheet!" Then he tied his waist sheet (round his waist). Sahih Al-Bukhari: Volume 5, Book 58, Number 170: God does not speak to His prophets when they were unconscious. They hear God's words live and declare it to the people. In conclusion, going by the way the quran was revealed and the worship of allah the same way pagans were doing before islam, it is evidently clear that quran is not the word of the true God. |
Re: The Quran Or The Bible,which Is God's Word? by joezakdeen(m): 3:58am On Jul 11, 2014 |
Answer: The question of which (if any) religious text is the true word of God is of utmost importance. To avoid circular reasoning, the first question we must ask is: how would we know if God communicated in the first place? Well, God would have to communicate in a manner that people could understand, but that also means that people could make up their own messages and simply claim that they came from God. So, it seems reasonable to think that if God wanted to authenticate His communication He would have to verify it in a manner that could not be duplicated by mere humans - in other words, by miracles. This narrows the field considerably. Beyond the evidence for the Bible's correctness (manuscript evidence) and its historicity (archeological evidence), the most important evidence is that of its inspiration. The real determination of the Bible's claim to absolute inspired truth is in its supernatural evidence, including prophecy. God used prophets to speak and write down His Word and God uses miracles like fulfilled prophecy to authenticate His messengers. For example, in Genesis 12:7, God promises that the land of Israel was to be for Abraham and his descendants. In 1948 Israel was returned back to the Jewish people for the second time in history. This may not seem so astonishing until you realize that no nation in the history of the world has been scattered from its homeland and returned! Israel has done it twice. The book of Daniel predicts with accuracy the coming of the four great kingdoms from Babylon, to Medo-Persia, to Greece, to Rome centuries before some of those kingdoms came on the scene (a time span of over 1,000 years!) with details concerning how they would rule and be broken. This includes the reigns of Alexander the Great and Antiochus Epiphanies. In Ezekiel 26 we can see in astonishing detail how the city of Tyre was to be destroyed, how it would be torn down, and how its debris would be thrown into the sea. When Alexander the Great marched on that area, he encountered a group of people holed up in a tower on an island off the coast near there. He could not cross the sea, so he could not fight those in the tower. Rather than wait them out, the proud conqueror had his army throw stones into the sea to build a land bridge to the tower. It worked. His army crossed the sea and overthrew the occupants of the stronghold. But where did he get so much stone? The rocks that were used for the land bridge were the leftover rubble from the city of Tyre . . . its stones cast into the sea! There are so many prophecies concerning Christ (over 270!) that it would take more than a few screens worth of space to list them all. Further, Jesus would have had no control over many of them such as His birthplace or time of birth. Second, the odds of one man accidentally fulfilling even 16 of these are 1 in 10^45. How many is that? For comparison, there are less than 10^82 atoms in the entire universe! And Jesus, who affirmed the Bible as the Word of God, proved His reliability and deity by His resurrection (an historical fact not easily ignored). Now consider the Quran - its author, Muhammad, performed no miracles to back up his message (even when he was asked to by his followers - Sura 17:91-95; 29:47-51). Only in much later tradition (the Hadith) do any alleged miracles even show up and these are all quite fanciful (like Muhammad cutting the moon in half) and have zero reliable testimony to back them up. Further, the Quran makes clear historical errors. Muslims believe the Bible is inspired but with some errors from editing (Sura 2:136 as well as Suras 13, 16, 17, 20, 21, 23, 25). The question they cannot adequately answer is: "When was the Bible corrupted?" If they say before 600 A.D. then how can the Quran admonish believers to read it? If they claim it was after 600 A.D., then they have jumped out of the frying pan and into the fire, for we have absolutely no doubt as to the accuracy of biblical manuscripts from at least the 3rd century forward. Even if Christianity were false, the Quran still has an insurmountable problem because it makes judgments against Christians for believing things that they do not (nor have they ever) believed. For example, the Quran teaches that Christians believe the Trinity is the Father, the Mother (Mary), and the Son (Sura 5:73-75, 116), and the Quran also teaches that Christians believe that God had sex with Mary to have a son (Suras 2:116; 6:100-101; 10:68; 16:57; 19:35; 23:91; 37:149-151; 43:16-19). If the Quran is really from God, then it should at least be able to accurately report what Christians believe. Joseph Smith, the author of the Book of Mormon, tried to do some miracles such as prophecy (a test for a true prophet in Deuteronomy 18:21-22) but failed several times. He foretold of Christ's second coming in History of the Church (HC) 2:382. Joseph Smith preached that the coming of the Lord would be in 56 years (about 1891). The second coming did not occur in 1891, and the Mormon Church does not claim that it did. Nor has it occurred since. He also prophesied that several cities would be destroyed in Doctrine and Covenants (D&C) 84:114-115. New York, Albany and Boston were to be destroyed if they rejected the gospel according to Smith. Joseph Smith himself went to New York, Albany, and Boston and preached there. These cities did not accept his gospel, yet they have not been destroyed. Another famous false prophecy of Joseph Smith was his "END OF ALL NATIONS" in D&C 87 concerning the rebellion of South Carolina in the war between the states. The South was supposed to call on Great Britain for aid, and as a result war would be poured out upon all nations; slaves would revolt; the inhabitants of the earth would mourn; famine, plague, earthquake, thunder, lightning, and a full end of all nations would result. The South finally did revolt in 1861, but the slaves did not rise up, war was not poured out upon all nations, there was no worldwide famine, plague, earthquake, etc., and there was no resulting "end of all nations." The collection of writings that Protestants call the Apocrypha (hidden writings), Roman Catholics call the deuterocanonical (later or second canon) books. These books were written between 300 B.C. and 100 A.D., the Intertestamental Period between the inspired writings of God's Prophets in the Old Testament and those of the Apostles and their contemporaries in the New Testament. These were "infallibly" accepted into the Bible by the Roman Catholic Church in 1546 at the Council of Trent. Now the Apocrypha would be covered under the evidence for the Bible if these writings were truly inspired - but evidence seems to indicate that they are not. In the Bible we find prophets of God whose messages are ratified by miracles or prophecy that comes true, and whose message is immediately accepted by the people ( Deut 31:26; Josh. 24:26; 1 Samuel 10:25; Daniel 9:2; Col. 4:16; 2 Peter 3:15-16). What we find in the apocrypha is just the opposite - no apocryphal book was written by a prophet. None of these books were included in the Hebrew Scriptures. There is no ratification of the authors of any apocryphal book. No apocryphal book is cited as authoritative by later Biblical writers. There is no fulfilled prophecy in any apocryphal book. Finally, Jesus, who quoted from every section of Old Testament Scripture, never once quoted from the apocrypha. Neither did any of His disciples. The Bible so far outshines every competing source for being God's revelation that if it is not God's Word, it would seem impossible to choose among the leftovers. If the Bible is not God's Word, then we have been left with no clear criteria by which to know what might be. |
Re: The Quran Or The Bible,which Is God's Word? by truthman2012(m): 1:39pm On Jul 11, 2014 |
I strongly believe the quran cannot be the word of God. It is not a confirmation of the existing revelations before it and infact, it contradicts them. Besides, it was only Muhammad who claimed he received the revelations without anyone receiving same, and to make matters worse, he had no miracles to prove his claim. So it is lacking evidence. |
Re: The Quran Or The Bible,which Is God's Word? by Weah96: 3:18pm On Jul 11, 2014 |
plappville: The bible is the true and only word of God. So whose words are recorded in the Quran? You mean to tell me that the prophet Mohammed made up the whole story? |
Re: The Quran Or The Bible,which Is God's Word? by Unbias: 8:37pm On Jul 11, 2014 |
Ahmed Deedat, the father of all liars. |
Re: The Quran Or The Bible,which Is God's Word? by Unbias: 8:43pm On Jul 11, 2014 |
The quran is a hodge-podge of the Bible |
Re: The Quran Or The Bible,which Is God's Word? by joezakdeen(m): 6:32pm On Jul 17, 2014 |
do u muslims knw the quran needs prove the bible b4 man can bliv it acordin to the quran? Buh unfortunately dere's non! |
Re: The Quran Or The Bible,which Is God's Word? by joezakdeen(m): 6:36pm On Jul 17, 2014 |
the autenticity of the bible revealed in quran. Hahahaa...."And if thou wert in doubt as to what We have revealed unto thee, then ask those who have been reading the book from before thee..." (Surah 10, Yunus, verse 94). God luv u. Neva b blind. Fr the blind can neva lead the blind. They will all fall in a pit as hypocrites. |
Re: The Quran Or The Bible,which Is God's Word? by dekung(m): 7:34pm On Jul 17, 2014 |
It is quite interesting how either side is vehemently arguing that their holy book is the authentic declaration of the creator of the universe. However, one question I would love to ask is this. Who amongst all contributors here was there when the messages were being delivered such that they know without an iota of doubt that these were true words of God? Lets even assume that the original texts were dictated by the creator (which to me is very unlikely), what is the guarantee that at least one scribe who was asked to rewrite a portion never made any typographical errors? People just come and make assertions as if the writings were done in their presence. As far as am concerned both books are religious books with no proof whatsoever but one the latter is a terribly twisted, falsified copy of the former. |
Re: The Quran Or The Bible,which Is God's Word? by deezzle(m): 7:51am On Jul 18, 2014 |
None...both are work of some simpletons...Quran from an unlettered simpleton. Both are inaccurate exaggerations of local events (Noah flood and Egyptian plague) written by people who never knew about dinosaurs, microbiology, genetics and astronomy. If those are the words of any god, then that god must be an idiot and deserves no worship but utter condemnation. |
Re: The Quran Or The Bible,which Is God's Word? by joezakdeen(m): 10:34am On Jul 18, 2014 |
deezzle: None...both are work of some simpletons...Quran from an unlettered simpleton. Both are inaccurate exaggerations of local events (Noah flood and Egyptian plague) written by people who never knew about dinosaurs, microbiology, genetics and astronomy.we hv eva had ur type of being in d past so no new. D lives of nebuchardnezzer, pharoah, amin, major nuhuli who out of deir smal knowledge nd wealth tot d world was for dem. At d end, som turned into animals nd thereof. I'm imagining the type of animal u wil turn wen the anger of the Almighty coms on u. Bliv it or not, God is God nd there's non like Him. pity urself ccos u hv life dou buh u wil neva xperience eternal life if u dont repent out of ur arogance. God wil bring u down dat day. Neva mind cos there wil b indeed knashing of teeth wid no rescue. Buh i pray dat God forgivs u because He is a merciful God since u r speaking out of ignorance. Sory fr dat. God always reveals the truth. |
Re: The Quran Or The Bible,which Is God's Word? by MichaelDprince: 12:03pm On Apr 09, 2015 |
The lord said,''my people are perishing for they lack knowledge''... Hope u all come to d light of your redeemer even JESUS CHRIST for mohammed cannot save himself talkless of u all... JESUS CHRIST d only name whereby man can b save and without him u can neva have d father... Hundreds of errors, contradiction, wrong teachings of quran loaded on my desk... |
Re: The Quran Or The Bible,which Is God's Word? by SHARIAREPORTERS: 8:13am On Apr 14, 2015 |
Lol, laff at d OP ***ness U compare d Holy BIBLE to ur koran/hadith? Lol, koran/hadith if filmed will be compared to spartacus and gladiator or betterstill game of throne A book(koran/hadith) contains soft porn and war stories of a mad man called muhamMAD? Bro u better wake up |
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